and actually this starts an interesting debate.

i find people's desire to own property (that they live in) is about showing off. it's the whole 'look what i bought'.

to me, it's all financial. now, i'll admit, i live in a very nice place (modest and within my means, but still, very nice in my eyes) - which would be way more to buy than rent. i rent it, i treat it as my home (because it is!) and it is beautifully sparse inside.

tv - yup
internet - yup,
couch, bed, dining table - yup

that's it - no junk, no shit cluttering up my place.

go to a baller's place, it'll be full of chinese made plastic shit. i was taught at a young age to buy stuff that will last you, treat it well and it'll last you a lifetime, i still believe that. i still use (when i'm in canada, at least) tools of my father's and even some of his father's - it's the appreciation of the finer things in life that are actually cheaper in the long run that is the difference in mindset between the average pillock and people who are well off.

i'd say, unfortunately, my types are dying off in great numbers, our generation are full of douches... the only hope is that the hipster movement, whilst hopefully dying soon, breeds a new generation of people who want to do more with less. more powerful phones/tablets that can do everything for them, no need for other computers, tv's, etc. no desire for a suburban big house (i wonder where that market will go in 20 years)

times are very interesting, and i hope 2008 taught us that consumerism sucks. being a service industry blows. i work in a production industry, and i'm so happy about that, i like being able to say that my company produces X, Y, and Z product and that this product makes our lives better - as opposed to service industries that i just can't get behind as much.

maybe i'm just a 60 year old in a 31 yr old's skin?

anyways, i've now gone way off topic!

^4444

different people have different levels of freedom that they require.

with your income, and your wants and needs, you are already a very free man.

i am in the same boat. if i were to make more, i wouldn't really move anywhere, nor would i buy a crazy ass car. or any of that shit. i would just do my hobbies a lot more often, and minimize my work hours to as little as possible.

i would heavily invest it all, to secure my freedom. not to secure my ability to throw money around like it doesn't matter. because IT ALWAYS MATTERS.

material wealth and all that shit. it's just like any other drug. you either get hooked on it or you don't. most people don't have the self control to lay off of it. and no amount of money will ever give them freedom. they'll always be tied down by their inflated ego and their perpetual need for more shit.

bball doesn't understand that, at any level of wealth, you always have to be financially responsible and conservative. he doesn't understand the concept that one can spend more money than they make, no matter HOW much they make. doesn't matter if you're fucking carlos slim. he can go broke in a week if he chose to throw money around like he doesn't care. and he's got multi billions.

there is an obvious divide in money mentality here.

on one hand we have jason who does throw money around like crazy, but he is the type of financially reckless guy that i have no doubt, if he made a billion, he'd blow a billion. but he'd also have the balls and initiative to go out and make another billion if he goes broke. he lacks the fear of going broke because he knows money can be made if you just go out and pull the trigger.

we have the the people who are good risk management types, ones that can manage money in an exceptional way. and make it grow in a way where other people would give up their first borns to learn the secret.

and we got bball who thinks there's some level you can reach where you can just throw money around like there's a magical endless supply.

billionaires can lose billions in a day. you should remember that. you can always blow your wealth, with stupid moves, no matter how rich you think you are. simple examples are the casino and markets, where what you lose, scales with how rich you are.

lol, seems like your definition of 'douche' seems to fit with some people in this thread.

that's exactly it. at even modest income, you can still live within your means, invest enough, be smart about money and then have enough to retire comfortably.

:suspicious:.......not. sure. if. srs....

okay, so wtf are you trying to say here then? On one hand you're saying anyone can go broke in a week, regardless of how much money you have (which I agree with), but on the other hand you're saying if you have money you can go do whatever the fuck you want and not have to give a shit about anything....which is where you come across as a huge douche btw...

I don't think artists really retire though... that's a big difference between the mindsets

no he's saying that even if you're super rich, you can still spend more than you have and go poor.

let's not continue personal spats (not saying it's you, always takes 2 to tango), it's what kinda ruins the internets, people can, and should have disagreements and differences of opinion, but when it gets into name calling, it makes the world a less fun place

Why is that being douchey?


Justin Bieber has the world by the nuts! When he's not driving his Ferrari he's banging some super fucking hot model or partying at one of his mansions. Life must be incredibly fun for him!

I said you can go out and do whatever you want, NOT BEING TIED DOWN BY A RESTRICTIVE SCHEDULE.

by go out and do whatever you want, i don't mean blow all your money on shit.

FREEDOM does not equate to blowing money on shit. it equates to not having to obey to society's demands of waking up at this time, doing this job at that time. TIME RESTRICTIVE issues. you understand?

a small part of freedom is what some of us are experiencing RIGHT now. staying up till 6am arguing on the fucking internet, because we FEEL like it. because we don't give a fuck what other people think, and mostly because we don't have to adhere to any fucking schedule. yeah??? you understand better? how many other people can do this SMALL thing. staying up till 6am just fucking cuz. NOT MANY.

it has never equated to blowing money on lambos and crashing them and blowing it on more lambos and hookers and blow and buying lear jets for fun.

that's not freedom. that's setting yourself up for depression and suicide. that kind of mentality is over the top reckless and you'll not only be hurting yourself, but everyone around you.

as much as i want to slap him sometimes. If I had a chance to befriend him. I would totally. Paris hilton, whoever else. those spoiled "brats" have the option to be brats. OPTIONS. FREEDOM. how many times does one have to reiterate this?

people like 4444 have no need and don't care to do the shit that justin beiber does. plenty of people don't have that need. almost all the billionaires you can list don't do that.
but some people DO have the need. and the ones that have the option to do so, are lucky. and it's in THEIR RIGHT to do so. he can do whatever the fuck he wants with his money. he can act like a douchebag if he WANTS to.

entirely true - and respected. to be honest, i hope i don't retire at 50 - at that age, i plan to be a C level executive of a >$10B company, as such i'll be hoping to be enjoying my life so much that leaving it would make me unhappy/emptier than i'd want to be (though that seems sad, that my life would become my work - something i've never wanted... definitely i hope to have that quandary when i'm 50)

if that's the case, all that wealth i'll have accumulated will go into trusts for my family (my kids, my siblings' kids, etc. - you're damn right my kids aren't getting all of it! they're going to work fucking hard, just like i did to become successful, if you're given everything, you'll likely end up weak - i couldn't respect my kids if they were weak) and a bunch to charitable causes.

which brings up a question:

why does fucking UBC always call me (well not anymore now that i don't live in canada) and ask me for money - do you really think i'm going to give penny 1 right now? no - leave me alone (which i ask them to do EVERY time) and i'll donate when i am financially free and that money is surplus to requirements. i'm not there yet, but i will do it at one point, fear not.

i know it's their mandate, but come on, some of us have plans to become muilti millionaires - i won't donate a penny to UBC before that (i donate healthily to cancer and other causes which are close to my heart for personal reasons - but not UBC, YET!!!!)

i actually don't agree with you on that. now, don't get me wrong, i'd LOVE to have bieber's money - but beiber is hated, and he knows it. most famous people are hated, to some degree, but he is REALLY hated outside of his 14 yr old fan base.
do you think he's emotionally and mentally all there? i don't - now you're right, he's probably having a great time doing drugs, driving fast cars, having a bank account some countries yearn for, but i could see him doing a charlie sheen.

do we think charlie sheen is happy? the guy is messed up, cracked out, not right in the head - i dunno, to me, that's not happiness.

but i'm a suit and tie, stiff upper lip kind of person, maybe artists are born with a propensity for this kind of behaviour/activities.

if i were somehow mega rich, i'd be behind the scenes, not in the limelight, but i like my privacy (within reason)

haha, bang on with your edit there!

lol, UBC does this to all their graduates. as do all other universities.

alright ironically i was supposed to work on some art all night, but i chose to argue about money on the net. my eyes look like my avatar and i'm tired as fuck. and as much freedom one has, they always have to obey the master of all: sleep.

to all that actually read up to this point, bravo, TL:did read. i mean no actual disrespect to anyone. it's just that civil debates are boring without yelling and some emotion thrown in there. cuz you know, after all this is a forum for entertainment. we aren't creating new laws and shit in a senate or whatever (although if we were, i'd still yell hah).

and i know J13 gonna read the shit that i said about him. i actually do mean it in some aspect (just as rebuttle to your asshole response). I do respect the fact that you fly fighter jets. You just have to know and also admit, that there are people that have seen much more than you, despite your career and what you have seen. physical feats, and worldly sights are not everything. there are worlds beyond that, hidden from the untrained eye and mind.
I would love to fly in a fighter jet, but i also know i can just pay for a ride if i really wanted to. and in a few years i can pay for a ride to space. it's not the same degree of freedom you get in your jet, but to me, it's close enough. i can imagine much more crazy things in my head, that nothing can replicate those things in this reality. you just have to understand that.

and meme, i have already said i respect the amount of money you make, but like i have said before, you're in the top 1% or at least very close to it from what you have revealed. i'm sure 1000's of people that read this thread hope that one day they can get to your level just by grinding away at a 9-5, but honestly, they won't, no matter how hard they work. and that's just the reality of it.

bball, dude, i don't hate you or think you're an actual idiot. no human is an idiot. everyone is good at something. I just really think you should step back for a moment and try to look at this thread from a different perspective. no one says you have to be an artist or whatever. and i hope you don't ever spend more than you make. cuz ya know, you'll go broke.

with that being said, good night/morning, and cya guys later. I got some dreaming to do.

Wait. I'm sorry. You DON'T consider making 250,000 a year baller???? What the fuck is wrong with you? You're fucked man. Must be out of touch with 99% of society
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One time I thought I was "ballin" then my friend quickly came over and pulled me out of the ball pit at mcdonalds.....

Multicutural just walks in here and shits on the rug, walks out of the room giggling as drama unfolds. :inout:

I skimmed over the last few pages, holy shit is there ever a lot of contradictory drivel in here. Apparently 9-5ers can't make enough money to support their families, strange because most seem to do just fine. Has anyone else noticed how instead of actually responding to things, you just get another rant full of disconnected garbage? I thought nothing got ignored. What's the matter, am I hitting too close to home? Or are your mangled minds having a hard time comprehending that you're wrong?

bets on when this thread gets closed?

lol, again, 250K is 'well-off'...I probably just have a different definition of the word 'ballin'....

this is ballin...

What's the bet?

Man... 250k in 1 year.. that would be so crazy, it woud totally change my life!!!!!!


.... I would have to reduce my standard of living :fuckthatshit:

everyone has a diff definition of "ballin"

to me this is ballin'
http://i.imgur.com/PoBwE.gif

For me, ballin' = making as much money as a professional athlete... literally being equal to a 'baller' lol.