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Old 05-08-2014, 03:20 PM   #1
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Do you make less than $20.10/hour? If you do, you're in trouble...

Living wage required for Metro Vancouver rises to $20.10 per hour



You should make at least $20.10/h to live here | Vancouver 24 hrs

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A joint report finds the new wage to survive a paycheque-to-paycheque lifestyle in Metro Vancouver this year is $20.10 per hour — with its authors hoping employers take the information as a sign to hand out some raises.

Michael McCarthy Flynn with the Living Wage for Families Campaign said the annual report takes into account costs of living using data from Statistics Canada, Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation, and the Dieticians of Canada.

“These people won’t be able to own a house, save for retirement or save for education,” McCarthy Flynn said.

“It’s a little bit more than scraping by — it’s above the poverty line … but it’s by no means a luxurious lifestyle.”

He said that model is intended as a guideline for how much money each parent in a family of four — two parents, two kids — would have to earn in order to support the paycheque-to-paycheque lifestyle.

“A single person might not have kids, but chances are they have a student debt, and if you factor that in I think the $20 (per hour) is quite accurate,” McCarthy Flynn said.

“What we’re hoping is that more employers will look at the benefits of paying a living wage.”

The report also pointed to government policies as one possible solution, such as a New Westminster policy passed in 2010 that stipulated all city staff must be paid the “Metro Vancouver living wage.”

According to the report — put together by LWFFC, First Call and Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives — the living wage last year was $19.62 per hour.

Over the past year, increases in child care and housing costs were seen as significant factors. Rent increases jumped an average of $50 per month and child-care costs increased a similar amount.


The monthly budget for two parents each making $20.10 per hour:

Food $775
Clothing $195
Housing $1,490
Transportation $486
Child care $1,242
MSP premiums $138.50
Non-MSP health care $136
Parents’ education $89
Savings $235
Other expenses $731
For those who are not living at home rent free, does this seem about right?
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For those who are not living at home rent free, does this seem about right?
Nope. The monthly budget numbers are way too high. Search for 3 bedroom suites/apartments on Craigslist and you'll see dozens of listings well-below $1490/per month, for example.

The article reeks of social justice yuppie/media sensationalism. Yup, $775 for free-range, organic, fair trade, locally grown food sounds right.

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Nope. The monthly budget numbers are way too high. Search for 3 bedroom suites/apartments on Craigslist and you'll see dozens of listings well-below $1490/per month, for example.

The article reeks of social justice yuppie/media sensationalism. Yup, $775 for free-range, organic, fair trade, locally grown food sounds right.
Unless you're on an Auschwitz diet, $775 for a 4 person house hold sounds about right
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Unless you're on an Auschwitz diet, $775 for a 4 person house hold sounds about right
In my experience, the costs for two adults is consistently in the $300-350/month range (eating well, not strictly starches). I'm going to estimate feeding kids costs half as much as feeding adults. This gives a range of $450-525/month for a four person family.
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Sounds about right.
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Unless you're on an Auschwitz diet, $775 for a 4 person house hold sounds about right

My mom always say $800 budget for our family is too much (Parents, my sister and I). So with $800 my mom is able to get get for a month, fruits, everyday house hold items(Body wash, toothpaste, shampoo etc etc...) and still money have left over. You just have to know how to budget and buy what's on sale. Of course you won't be shopping at places like safeway or Urbanfare. Most likely you will be shopping at wal mart, superstore or crystal mall.
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In my experience, the costs for two adults is consistently in the $300-350/month range (eating well, not strictly starches). I'm going to estimate feeding kids costs half as much as feeding adults. This gives a range of $450-525/month for a four person family.
Depends how old they are
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The article reeks of social justice yuppie/media sensationalism. Yup, $775 for free-range, organic, fair trade, locally grown food sounds right.
With 80k+/yr, they're more like middle class income families. So the budget probably takes into consideration that these people will eat out once in awhile and not financially strapped to eating at home all the time.

FYI babies are expensive. My daughter consumes around $100 worth of formula a month and that doesn't even include other food in her diet.
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In my experience, the costs for two adults is consistently in the $300-350/month range (eating well, not strictly starches). I'm going to estimate feeding kids costs half as much as feeding adults. This gives a range of $450-525/month for a four person family.
$10 a day for 2 people is pretty low for Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner.
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$10 a day for 2 people is pretty low for Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner.
lol thats like $1.66/meal.... Not sure how this guy is "eating well"
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Jesus, how do they think $800 is for food, I live in a family of 3. on average parents spend less than 400. And we eat pretty well. lots of food in the fridge at all time + my moms dietary foods for her allergies.

Maybe if Vancouverites stop being goddamn hippes and stop buying "organic food" that comes from god knows where and goes to Costco. they could afford to live..
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My gf and I consume about 600-700 just for the two of us, and we never eat out. Everything made from scratch at home.
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There are 3 of us, 2 adults and 1 8 year old and my grocery bill is 1000-1200 a month. This would include cleaning products, deodorant, razor blades and other items like that which aren't strictly food items. LOL, I'm obviously spending way to much compared to everybody else here.
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In my experience, the costs for two adults is consistently in the $300-350/month range (eating well, not strictly starches). I'm going to estimate feeding kids costs half as much as feeding adults. This gives a range of $450-525/month for a four person family.
Curious as to what a breakfast, lunch, and dinner would look like for you

Also, where do you do your groceries?
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Depends how old they are
I'm assuming sub-13 years old as childcare is also included in the budget.
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$10 a day for 2 people is pretty low for Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner.
We're vegetarian, which could skew the costs down a bit but not too much.
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lol thats like $1.66/meal.... Not sure how this guy is "eating well"
I don't know about you, but I consider having NAME BRAND perogies, kraft dinner, and ketchup eating damn well.
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Maybe if you can't afford somthing, you work harder? Longer hours? Or not have children you can't afford to raise?
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I was paying $1,100 a month for the first 3 years for my kid, it's just less then half that now but it's still cost more then my gas, insurance and maintenance of my SUV on a monthly basis. That's one kid, if you have more then one and both parents work that number they have in the article is low.
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i dismissed this at Food $775. couldn't take it seriously.
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Is no one talking about the $731 in other expenses? What r those? Pornhub subscriptions?
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