What did Elliot Rodger need? He didn’t need to get laid. None of us nerdy frustrated guys need to get laid. When I was an asshole with rants full of self-pity and entitlement, getting laid would not have helped me.

He needed to grow up.

We all do.


Actually, no, we don't all need to grow up!

"Let them eat cake" is now "Let them have xbox and pornhub."

No One Would Have Died If PUAHate Killer Elliot Rodger Learned Game

We are men, and women are attracted to the men who dare assert themselves. If you're not willing to work out, make money, groom yourself and learn how to be social you deserve nothing but lonely masturbating with your own tears as lube.

Fucking nerds don't know shit.

You pretty much proved the nerd's point. Working out, make money, grooming yourself, learning to be social sounds like 'growing up' to me.

"man can do what he wills, but cannot will what he wills."

our idealistic teachings on how to fix these problems are just that, idealistic.

until we can edit our genetics to not feel these things... we're just a broken record, with each generation being born into what nature has programmed us to do, and then us... trying to reprogram them unsuccessfully. repeating over and over again, for all of eternity. like everything else.

men desire women (well most men do). there is a deeper problem... how can you desire something and not objectify it?

it's impossible.


"lust leads to desire for possession, and possession leads to murder"

that chain can never be broken. unless of course, we remove lust and desires.

we can all just become monks. problem fixed. lol.

Genetics and hypergamy mean that some men will simply lose out and remain at the very bottom of the totem pole, but that's life

Now I'm starting to wonder if your whole "ulic thing" is just an act :suspicious:

Have you never had a real relationship with a woman before? They are all just objects of desire to you? If so... I don't even know what to say :lawl:

The only important point of the 4 mentioned. The others may just help.

As someone mentioned before, they are arguing over whether or not he had Asperger's which would explain the social awkwardness.

Parents Of Elliot Rodger Heard Of Attack As They Tried To Stop Him : The Two-Way : NPR

He probably did have some issues if he had a therapist. His parents were on the way to stop him when this happened.

Such a sad story... RIP victims. My heart goes out to all the families involved... Including his. :(

This shed some terrifying light on the whole matter ... Lessons From a Day Spent With the UCSB Shooter's Awful Friends

you just have to think deeper.

think about what "desire" is.

we're not talking about sympathy, empathy, love, compassion, or any of that shit.

not talking about a womans personality, or whatever.

those are things above desire.

you cannot, DESIRE something, without objectifying it.

desire is purely an egocentric emotion/thought. desire is completely self fulfilling.

women, are born into desire. all she has to do is be born into existence, and there is objective desire for her, regardless of anything else. just the fact that she is a WOMAN, makes her a commodity amongst men.

REGARDLESS of morals, ethics, or values and your beliefs. that is the way it is.

the sex industry is dominated by men, and the product is women.

you think this is just because women are weaker? and have been conned into acting this way? and because of labels and other social programming?

no. it's because they can provide something that is in demand.

I don't want a man's love. i don't want to fuck men. i don't wanna be with a man like i wanna be with a woman.

that fact alone already objectifies them.

and the fact that they can provide pleasure that straight men cannot find anywhere else (and the majority of men are straight)...

simple economics man.

men desire women. almost every industry revolves around that.

men wanna get their dicks sucked. wanna fuck women. wanna have a womans love. they want all that is woman. in THEIR lives. LUST for women.

thats where desire leads to possession. because men don't wanna share either. it's in our nature to possess things.
and it's in our nature to want things that are possessed. that's where murder comes in.

if i wanted to date your wife cuz of whatever reasons (looks/personality whatever)... would you let me?
or would you simply let her make the choice cuz she's a human being?
nope... possession. desire not to share. desire for her to be yours.

objectifying.

it's UNAVOIDABLE.


it's simple. if men objectify other men, and utilize other men for power, work, connections, etc.

what makes you think they're gonna suddenly stop objectifying women? lol.

MEN DON'T EVEN TREAT THEIR OWN EQUALLY.

the problem isn't men, or humans, or women.

the problem is our ideology of thinking we're more pure and divine than we really are.

we're fucking humans. not angels. masters of exploiting, masters of bending things to our desire. masters of adapting, for the sake of getting what we want, the way we want it.

feminism is just that, an ideology that cannot be realised till humans cease to be humans, and transcend into something else... and then we'll have bigger ideological problems we have created for ourselves.

like multicartual said, he woulda hung out with him and shown him around and helped him learn how to mingle with girls more successfully.

but no one did. and no one tried.

instead they're bickering about objectifying of women and all that other bullshit.

the focus shoulda been, SOMEONE SHOULDA HELPED HIM OUT LIKE A REAL BRO.

of course ideally...

instead, we humans do what humans do. we objectified him into a monster and point fingers and laughed.

lol... doesn't anyone else see how self defeating that is to the topic of objectifying things?! LOL.

there's no respect. no respect=objectifying.

and from what i've seen and read of all of human history... respect is always earned, and can be quickly taken away.

so what makes you think anyone wants to respect any woman for no reason? what makes you think anyone wants to respect any MAN for any reason? i'm talking realistically. from results of what humans have left for all of recorded history.

there has never been a period where all humans were born INTO respect.

it just doesn't happen.

a human, when shown a better path, will always pick that path. but the problem is no one shows them properly. instead they just laugh and point fingers.

we're all objects to each other at best. if you disagree, feel free to explain how we aren't.

I don't see very many people sacrifice their own time and health for others for no apparently reason other than the fact that they are a fellow human being. not like an ant does for her fellow ant siblings, without ego, without second thought, acting as one... selfless sacrifice, for any brethren of the colony, for any reason, at any given time.

but we don't act as one. because we objectify everything. ego. we view ourselves as ME/I. and not we.

the very thought of


"I am my own person" is the perpetuation of hate, discrimination and objectification. any view where you don't view them as a fully functioning part of yourself. anything to do with "I". ego.

What you wrote would make a great article.

It's borderline sociopathy.

He is taking one side "we're humans, it's in our nature to be animalistic blah blah blah" without actually considering that part of being human is considering things like dignity. An ant doesn't consider another ant's dignity. Neither do any other animals - except humans. If you want to live like an actual animal who doesn't consider anything like that, where everything is literally an object, go right ahead. You might want to move away from other people though, because that kind of thinking isn't acceptable in actual society.

If you see a woman and you desire to mate with her, go ahead and have those feelings. We all do. But then something kicks in - your ability to think of her as a person. Not an ant, a person with a conscience.

I don't know WHY humans are different in this way. That is a whole other debate. But we are, and you kind of have to act like it. Otherwise go live in an ant colony if you prefer it that way.

Also the whole "respect is earned, not given" mantra is utter bullshit. EVERY other human deserves respect. Respect is always given, and can be lost.

SkinnyPupp wins the thread :thumbs:

Here's another interesting video on the whole matter:
In The Last 33 Years, 70 Of The 71 Mass Murderers In The U.S. All Had 1 Thing In Common

I dont know about that... when animals bury their dead isn't that a sign of dignity? (at least 3 are said to do so)
or even mating rituals...in a way shows an understanding
or when they excommunicate members of their own group (lions, chimps, etc do this)
etc

No, in my opinion that's an anthropomorphised interpretation of it

There are theories that some animals are cognisant - elephants and whales for instance. But I don't know enough about that. I would still assume that they are just animals doing what they do for some reason we don't understand. Or maybe they are cognisant, who knows. There's a lot of reading to be done, starting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition...

But then if you are basing your life on how elephants live rather than humans, that's not much better than ants.

i think your definition of objective is more extreme than mine.

it's kinda paradoxical cuz you're being objective about the topic yet obviously your feelings are influencing your decision. it's a catch 22. hah.

Idealistic, yes
Realistic, no

I don't follow

It's not idealistic, it's a choice. You can choose to live this way, and it's not hard to do

It isn't a choice. Your mind processes shit unconsciously and when you walk into a social situation your mind will decide what to think about someone LOOOOOOONG before you're consciously aware of it.

You can tell yourself you give respect to everyone consciously, and it is nice to think that way, but realistically you judge everyone based on established social conventions.

The thing thats more unfortunate than humans natural programming to judge based on preconceived notions are people being to self righteous to believe that they do it. Its the way we are wired, its not just based on the stereotypical belief of preconceived notions like racism, sexism, etc. Its works for positive things as well. Its the way our brains process information. People will always associate certain characteristics with certain previous information and interactions. Its one thing that I believe humans are the only species on earth that are capable of believing their conscious thoughts have eliminated their unconscious.

I think you guys are thinking too deeply into the 'preconceived notions' thing. Of course you will react differently to say, a 50 year old woman compared to an 8 year old boy. And maybe if you met a homeless junkie, you might have different 'preconceived notions' towards him than, say, Trevor Linden.

But that's all beside the point anyway. This point is that we're not the same as animals, and you can't use the convenient fallacy that we evolved from them as an excuse for things like rape and murder.

I'm not using it as an excuse. Obviously there are levels of control, I think you and ulic are speaking on far different levels, and saying hes sociopathic shows you just don't understand what hes getting at. REASON is far different than an excuse and the reason he is getting at is in the sense of a variable in an experiment.
There is no excuse for rape or murder in any sense of the word but there is still a reason.

Yeah and in this case to me the apparent reason is mental health. But others argue with me about that.

The comments about being able to view people as objects of desire is what I consider to be sociopathic. You can't look at people as being the same as you would an ant or a phone or a car, unless something is seriously wrong with you. This is what happened with this kid though, and according to Ulic we are all supposed to think this way.

Well we are both looking at it differently then, as I'm not seeing that he believes we are supposed to, but that its the way we are programmed to. As an advanced species that operates as a society however, nurture has overpowered nature so to speak (as I believe it should) for the benefit of humans as a whole. That we can agree on I'm sure. Humans as an undeveloped species however operated exactly how ulic stated, and it really wasn't that long ago in the grand scheme of things.