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skiiipi 04-26-2015 09:47 PM

2015 Orbea Alma M-LTD Mountain Bike | 27.5" Wheels

drools....carbon frame, shimano xtr di-2....$10K usd for a mountain HARDTAIL!
OMFG.....

Timpo 04-26-2015 10:38 PM

so somebody please tell me why is this front fork more beneficial than the conventional fork...

http://www.geocities.jp/infinity_web...r_v_900-66.jpg
http://www.geocities.jp/infinity_web...r_v_900-67.jpg
http://www.geocities.jp/infinity_web...r_v_900-64.jpg

Timpo 04-26-2015 10:41 PM

and this...they sure do come up with weird front suspension concept

http://active-s.com/blog/img/cannondale_sv700sx_2.jpg

multicartual 04-26-2015 10:42 PM

Well, I think all of the product lettering in GIANT signage should tell you something about who would own a bike like this and why they would ride it...

Timpo 04-26-2015 10:51 PM

hmm.. rectangle frame

http://mtb-life.img.jugem.jp/20080809_544304.jpg

Timpo 04-26-2015 10:53 PM

GT has some unique rear suspension design

http://www.active-s.com/wp/wp-conten...h_carbon_2.jpg

Timpo 04-27-2015 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skiiipi (Post 8630013)
2015 Orbea Alma M-LTD Mountain Bike | 27.5" Wheels

drools....carbon frame, shimano xtr di-2....$10K usd for a mountain HARDTAIL!
OMFG.....

$10,099 USD for a hardtail cross country bike... :rukidding:
http://ep.yimg.com/ay/trisports/2015...5-wheels-2.jpg

$10,990 USD for a 2015 Yamaha YZF-R6
Yamaha Street Motorcycles - Supersport, Sport, Adventure Touring Motorcycle
http://www.cycleonline.com.au/wp-con...-r6-static.jpg

$9,998 CA for 2015 Nissan Micra
http://pictures.dealer.com/a/altanis...23522b475x.jpg

underscore 04-27-2015 07:46 AM

$1,150,000 USD/$1,390,000 CAD for a 2 seater coupe... :rukidding:
http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uplo...en-p1-01-1.jpg

$1,040,000/$1,249,900 CAD for a 5 bed 4 bath mansion
http://cdn.realtor.ca/listing/reb19/...10095255_1.jpg

UFO 04-27-2015 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8629795)
yeah these bikes are approx $20k and they don't even come with V-brakes. It's like some sort of old school style brake that I don't even know what its called.

Road bikes don't use v brakes. Educate yourself before you bitch and complain. They are not old school, they are highly effective for roadsides and lightweight.

And stop bringing up 10+ year old designs and complaining about how weird they look or how you don't think they work well. There is LOTS of info on the web, educate yourself

Timpo 04-27-2015 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UFO (Post 8630146)
Road bikes don't use v brakes. Educate yourself before you bitch and complain. They are not old school, they are highly effective for roadsides and lightweight.

And stop bringing up 10+ year old designs and complaining about how weird they look or how you don't think they work well. There is LOTS of info on the web, educate yourself

those types of brakes are worst ones is what I heard
road bikes basically have this type:
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j0...ake-SD-68-.jpg

and there's a cabie one
http://cyclingabout.com/wp-content/u...0/shorty-6.jpg

and v brakes
http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uplo...29tdjcmzvg.jpg

some sort of hydraulic thing
http://stwww.bikemag.com/wp-content/...Magura-rt8.jpg

meme405 04-27-2015 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 8629893)
Shimano doesn't offer a rebuild kit, instead they'll replace the caliper under warranty. I got my new caliper from fanatyk in whistler. They were great to deal with.

Fanatyk Co Ski & Cycle, Whistler, BC - 604-938-9455

I bought a new saint for my knolly. Then I found out they would fix it for free. So now I have a saint on the front of my bottlerocket. It's a hell of an upgrade.
:D



Man, you hit it right on the head. I've broken my elbow, fractured my lower back, and won a race on my knolly. All it haa needed in the last 4 years is bearings and brake pads. It's a beast.

Fanatyk is great, they fixed up my bike and got me back on the hill in like 20 minutes when I decided to see how whistler dirt tasted.

You have a similar setup to me, I have a trek Session 10, and a bottle rocket.

Obviously the session 10 will pound straight through even the most unholy of terrain, and it will soak up bumps the size of a full size truck without a flinch. BUT I find myself grabbing the bottlerocket more often than I grab my trek. It's just more fun, I have more fun riding my little bottlerocket on the edge, rather than pushing my limits on the trek.

On the bottle rocket I cruise around and ride a lot more mellow, and the lack of travel forces you to ride smooth and it's so light that you can huck it around. Whereas the trek is just good for days when I want to ride super hard, and chase faster times down A-line.

The trek is also good for breaking both your hands on as I did 2 years ago. :heckno:

originalhypa 04-27-2015 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8630040)
so somebody please tell me why is this front fork more beneficial than the conventional fork...

Simple answer: Cannondale is insane. That said, I have a friend who swears by his lefty fork. It was known as a light weight alternative to a dual fork. It incorporates both compression and rebound cartridges in the single fork, as opposed to standard forks where the comp and reb are split between the stanchions.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8630046)
GT has some unique rear suspension design

That bike is from a time when the engineers were trying to find the best suspension design. One that would soak up bumps and jumps, without the rider losing all of his pedal power to the suspension.

Nowadays they have narrowed it down to the DW link DW-link - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Horst link, the VPP, the single pivot and the 4 bar Bicycle suspension - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


My Knolly is a 4 bar, while the Bottlerocket is a single pivot. The 4 bar is great for soaking up big drops and jumps. While the single pivot is higly active and is great for jumps and transitions.



Quote:

Originally Posted by meme405 (Post 8630165)
The trek is also good for breaking both your hands on as I did 2 years ago.

Damn!!!!
:heckno:

You'll find me riding my bottlerocket at Whistler most of the time now. I ride with my 11 year old, so the Knolly is just too hard to ride slower. It needs to be opened up.

But man, when I do ride her, it's something special.

Post up some pics of your bikes.

originalhypa 04-27-2015 11:16 AM

Sold steeds:

My old Kona Stinky.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g/IMGP3643.jpg

Norco Sasquatch
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g/IMGP3754.jpg

Norco Team DH
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g/IMGP3873.jpg

Jamis Parker
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g/IMGP3910.jpg

Norco Shore
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g/1cace271.jpg

My old Edge and my buddie's Norco (we're getting old now)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/hypabike.jpg

My first ever DH bike, a Norco VPS from 1999
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/111_1105.jpg


Whistler 2006.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...6/IMG_1697.jpg

yeeeeah!

The_AK 04-27-2015 12:26 PM

Whistler reopens for bikes May 2nd!

multicartual 04-27-2015 02:28 PM

I'm gonna go this year for sure!!!


Need to rent a bike though... fuckin' Santa Cruz V10 got stolen living in Langley.

Timpo 04-27-2015 05:16 PM

so apparently Lefty has better rigidity


Timpo 04-27-2015 05:29 PM

oh shit...

Karpiel Armageddon

Front Fork: Marzocchi Super Monster 300mm travel
Rear Suspension: 250mm travel

http://cs4583.vkontakte.ru/u12431690...y_31938032.jpg

Yodamaster 04-27-2015 08:19 PM

A lot of you guys are comparing mass produced items to relatively bespoke bikes, last time I checked, you could pick up a bike that would get you from A to B for less than a thousand bucks at Can Tire. Honda CBwhatevers are just appliance cars with two wheels, compared to the SuperSoakerXL chrome vanadium molydexterous mountain bike with triple protoflex technology meant for a very specific purpose.

Akinari 04-27-2015 08:23 PM

Bikes are awesome. Had a Giant STP stolen from me awhile ago, picked up another one last year. I love dirt jumping and DH or just screwing around on the streets :thumbs:

The_AK 04-27-2015 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8630316)
oh shit...

Karpiel Armageddon

Front Fork: Marzocchi Super Monster 300mm travel
Rear Suspension: 250mm travel

http://cs4583.vkontakte.ru/u12431690...y_31938032.jpg

This is such an old bike, i still remember when I was a kid and people thought Monster T's were cool

On that note, anyone remember this guy? lol
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITNy_4S43O8

Timpo 04-27-2015 10:42 PM

I'm just wondering about this front fork...any benefit over conventional front fork?
http://patineto.smugmug.com/Bicycles...38_RMMCr-M.jpg

Timpo 04-27-2015 10:46 PM

and this front fork..

http://www.bikejournal.com/images/St...no%20rotor.jpg

77civic1200 04-27-2015 11:32 PM

Just shut the fuck up timpo

Tone Loc 04-28-2015 12:44 AM

[QUOTE=Yodamaster;8630381]A lot of you guys are comparing mass produced items to relatively bespoke bikes, last time I checked, you could pick up a bike that would get you from A to B for less than a thousand bucks at Can Tire./QUOTE]

Agreed. Timpo, I think you're going about this all wrong... a more apt comparison would be some $150 CCM bike from Canadian Tire to a $9,900 Nissan Micra. Or one of those $10,000 Orbea carbon fiber bikes to a $300,000~ Ferrari 458.

Very different versions of the same thing that gets you from Point A to Point B. A lot of research and development goes into the latter, and not so much into the former. Whether you see it or not.

Personally, I am not a cyclist but I can't help but think it cool when an average bike weighs around 20-25 lbs and has literally 10 parts but engineers are still able to make a "high end" bike weighs less than half that...

originalhypa 04-28-2015 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by multicartual (Post 8630258)
Need to rent a bike though... fuckin' Santa Cruz V10 got stolen living in Langley.

So sad.
This town truly needs an enema.

That said, if you're going to rent you'll soon find that the V10 was a great bike, but the new designs do it all. I rented about 10 different bikes 4 years ago before deciding on the Knolly. After trying 7 different suspension designs I realized I liked short travel single pivot, and long travel 4 bar.

But the VPP on the V10 carbon was really sweet too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8630312)
so apparently Lefty has better rigidity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WlRqcAQr2w

That's what my friend always says. The Lefty is the most rigid fork out there, and is great for XC. I've never had an issue with flex in my suspension, and I've done this drop dozens of times.

http://images.ridemonkey.com/index.p...chant_drop.jpg

Dirt Merchant drop, Whistler.


Quote:

Originally Posted by The_AK (Post 8630404)
On that note, anyone remember this guy? lol
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITNy_4S43O8

It's crazy, I didn't even have to click the link and I knew you were talking about Bender.
:fuckyea:

I posted a "where in the world is Josh Bender" thread on NSMB last year only to find he was on the builders crew for Red Bull Rampage.

Good to see Bender is still in the scene. The man was, and still is a maniac.


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