REVscene - Vancouver Automotive Forum


Welcome to the REVscene Automotive Forum forums.

Registration is Free!You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! The banners on the left side and below do not show for registered users!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.


Go Back   REVscene Automotive Forum > Automotive Chat > Vancouver Off-Topic / Current Events

Vancouver Off-Topic / Current Events The off-topic forum for Vancouver, funnies, non-auto centered discussions, WORK SAFE. While the rules are more relaxed here, there are still rules. Please refer to sticky thread in this forum.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-14-2014, 12:08 PM   #26
RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
 
meme405's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 4,859
Thanked 7,759 Times in 2,313 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Knight_KB View Post
How many skinny people are out there that smoke and eat like shit all day? LOTS.
I don't smoke, but I certainly eat like shit (fast food multiple times a week, and junk food for entire meals), and although I decently active, that has very little to do with why I am super skinny.
Advertisement
__________________

Barney Fucking Purple FX35
Brianna - 2008 FX35 - Build Thread
meme405 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2014, 12:21 PM   #27
Willing to sell body for a few minutes on RS
 
westopher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North vancouver
Posts: 12,029
Thanked 31,017 Times in 7,108 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Knight_KB View Post
oh and under the old HST system, fruits and veggies etc weren't taxed. only processed food was. but you can thank the stupid fucking general public and bill vander zalms dumb ass for getting rid of that.
It still works the same for the PST system. Processed food from grocery stores is taxed PST is it not? The only food tax that was reversed was HST was charged at restaurants, where as now only the liquor has added tax while the food is only taxed GST. I could be wrong, but thats what I gathered. I wouldn't know. I'm too busy making food for rich people to ever get to fucking eat myself. I'm a pretty slim guy, and I can tell you I'll be a far bigger burden on the health system than a moderately fat person that eats and sleeps regularly. Moral of the story is the way someone looks is not always indicative of their health.
__________________
98 technoviolet M3/2/5
Quote:
Originally Posted by boostfever View Post
Westopher is correct.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fsy82 View Post
seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
Quote:
Originally Posted by punkwax View Post
Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
westopher is offline   Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
Old 07-14-2014, 12:50 PM   #28
My homepage has been set to RS
 
melloman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: #604
Posts: 2,267
Thanked 2,454 Times in 813 Posts
Canada has fucked up.

My tax dollars should not be put forward so you can have a gastric band surgery because "you can't stop eating." Knight_KB has valid points, as my godfather is a big guy, looks overweight, but can bicycle 50km/day to work and home and not lose his breathe.

Honestly I don't care if you're fat, you die young because of heart failure/diabetes/total body failure. That's your problem. The issue is when your obesity gets in the way of others. Whether is be our taxes get raised to fund surgeries or counselling, or our plane tickets prices increase because you can't fit in 1 economy seat (and you can't afford 1st class/business).

Obesity is not a fucking disease though. It's a lifestyle choice.
One where you exercise daily/weekly even, you eat cleaner, and you think about how you are going to stay alive past fucking 50.

I know tons of people who say they're too embarrassed to go into the gym, yet I tell them: "No one is going to make fun of you for trying to change."
__________________
Quote:
[17-03, 09:23] Amuro Ray is it normal for my dick to have things growing on it?
Quote:
[15-05, 13:34] FastAnna You guise are like diet coke and I am the mentos
[15-05, 13:34] FastAnna Incredible. How easy it is.
Quote:
Originally Posted by murd0c View Post
I'm scared of spiders... When I see one I toss my cats at it
melloman is offline   Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
Old 07-14-2014, 01:14 PM   #29
RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
 
sonick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Revscene
Posts: 9,251
Thanked 7,150 Times in 2,395 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by melloman View Post
My tax dollars should not be put forward so you can have a gastric band surgery because "you can't stop eating."

Obesity is not a fucking disease though. It's a lifestyle choice.
One where you exercise daily/weekly even, you eat cleaner, and you think about how you are going to stay alive past fucking 50.
+1 on these points. If you lose weight after receiving lap band, gastric bypass, or any other related surgical procedure that limits food intake, then it's not a 'disease', or a genetic/metabolic issue. The only 'issue' is that you couldn't stop yourself from eating.

If somebody truly had a genetic or metabolic issue that caused obesity (which I do not doubt there are), a surgical procedure that simply limits food intake should have little or no effect.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by skyxx View Post
Sonick is a genius. I won't go into detail what's so great about his post. But it's damn good!
2010 Toyota Rav4 Limited V6 - Wifey's Daily Driver
2009 BMW 128i - Daily Driver
2007 Toyota Rav4 Sport V6 - Sold
1999 Mazda Miata - Sold
2003 Mazda Protege5 - Sold
1987 BMW 325is - Sold
1990 Mazda Miata - Sold

100% Buy and Sell Feedback

Last edited by sonick; 07-14-2014 at 01:36 PM.
sonick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2014, 01:15 PM   #30
RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
 
meme405's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 4,859
Thanked 7,759 Times in 2,313 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by westopher View Post
I'm a pretty slim guy, and I can tell you I'll be a far bigger burden on the health system than a moderately fat person that eats and sleeps regularly. Moral of the story is the way someone looks is not always indicative of their health.
This is what I was going to point out, there are many other things besides being overweight which pose higher strains on our health care system. Maybe I should be taxed extra because I choose to partake in high risk activities such as snowboarding, mountain biking, bouldering, etc.

Spoiler!


EDIT: People are kinda on two sides of a different coin here:

1. me and a few others (Knight & westopher) are pointing out that taxing overweight people just because they are overweight and might possibly put a strain on the health care system is pretty contradictory to the point.

2. Mello and Sonick and a few others are talking about how paying for what could be considered elective surgery for fat people should not be their responsibility.

I guess in response to what mello and sonick are saying, maybe these surgeries should be deemed elective, and then just like a boob job, people would have to pay out of pocket for it.

Or maybe I am taking this "Tax" a little to relatively, maybe that was all that was meant in the first place, but the way I understood it, was that you would literally charge people yearly based on their weight. To me doing that seems really discriminatory.
__________________

Barney Fucking Purple FX35
Brianna - 2008 FX35 - Build Thread

Last edited by meme405; 07-14-2014 at 01:24 PM.
meme405 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2014, 01:24 PM   #31
Willing to sell body for a few minutes on RS
 
westopher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North vancouver
Posts: 12,029
Thanked 31,017 Times in 7,108 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by melloman View Post

Obesity is not a fucking disease though. It's a lifestyle choice.
One where you exercise daily/weekly even, you eat cleaner, and you think about how you are going to stay alive past fucking 50.

I know tons of people who say they're too embarrassed to go into the gym, yet I tell them: "No one is going to make fun of you for trying to change."
Obesity can be a disease, just as drug addiction can be a disease. The world isn't so black and white. I do agree under man circumstances it's under the persons control, but sometimes it just isn't.
__________________
98 technoviolet M3/2/5
Quote:
Originally Posted by boostfever View Post
Westopher is correct.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fsy82 View Post
seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
Quote:
Originally Posted by punkwax View Post
Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
westopher is offline   Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
Old 07-14-2014, 01:46 PM   #32
My homepage has been set to RS
 
melloman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: #604
Posts: 2,267
Thanked 2,454 Times in 813 Posts
@wes: I concur. Yet I'm a strong believer of will power, and if your mind can push you hard enough, you can overcome it.

To me, even with drug addiction, I believe if people WANT to change. They can/will. But like the 40% of obese Americans, they don't want to put any work into that change. They just want the govt to give them an easy handout, and continue their lives the way it was going. Just slimmer.
__________________
Quote:
[17-03, 09:23] Amuro Ray is it normal for my dick to have things growing on it?
Quote:
[15-05, 13:34] FastAnna You guise are like diet coke and I am the mentos
[15-05, 13:34] FastAnna Incredible. How easy it is.
Quote:
Originally Posted by murd0c View Post
I'm scared of spiders... When I see one I toss my cats at it
melloman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2014, 01:59 PM   #33
I keep RS good
 
Ulic Qel-Droma's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Cosmos
Posts: 28,661
Thanked 5,538 Times in 1,502 Posts
dudes its ok

think about it this way...

in a system where we all depend on each other for the WHOLE to advance forward... let's just help each other with whatever tax money. it's okay, whatever. it's a small cost in the larger picture of life.

what us sexy people benefit from already is... BEING SEXY HAH...

the healthier people are just better looking already.

the obese already have fingers pointed at them making fun of them and their chance of getting laid or getting anything in life other than diarrhea and constipation is super low already.

they're already living a life of punishment... self disgust is pretty bad punishment haha..

my taxes goes to help the unfortunate unhealthy people..

and us healthier people are covered in unhealthy people's envy.

good enough for me hah...
Ulic Qel-Droma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2014, 02:08 PM   #34
RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
 
sonick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Revscene
Posts: 9,251
Thanked 7,150 Times in 2,395 Posts
^ unfortunately that is no longer the case nowadays with the whole fat-acceptance/anti-fat-shaming movement that is going on.

It's one thing to 'accept' somebody who is a 'normal' size in comparison to fashion models, and is in overall good health except they have a few pounds on them. But it's another thing group those same people in with people who are clearly grossly overweight and at an unhealthy size and call it 'curvy'.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by skyxx View Post
Sonick is a genius. I won't go into detail what's so great about his post. But it's damn good!
2010 Toyota Rav4 Limited V6 - Wifey's Daily Driver
2009 BMW 128i - Daily Driver
2007 Toyota Rav4 Sport V6 - Sold
1999 Mazda Miata - Sold
2003 Mazda Protege5 - Sold
1987 BMW 325is - Sold
1990 Mazda Miata - Sold

100% Buy and Sell Feedback
sonick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2014, 02:30 PM   #35
RS controls my life!
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 765
Thanked 562 Times in 245 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Knight_KB View Post
just wow at some of the comments in here. people are so fucking shallow...

not all fat people are fat because of being lazy and eating too much.. this should just be about unhealthy people in general. how many skinny people are out there that smoke and eat like shit all day? LOTS. they should be taxed as well because they also are a drain on our fucking health care system because of their stupidity.

because i know this will be posted by someone else anyways, yes i am fat(NOT OBESE). fuck you. i'm a healthy fat person though, meaning while on the outside i may not look healthy, on the inside everything is within speck. i get all my tests done on time and everything always comes back above average. i just carry around some extra weight..

oh and under the old HST system, fruits and veggies etc weren't taxed. only processed food was. but you can thank the stupid fucking general public and bill vander zalms dumb ass for getting rid of that.
^ your self description doesn't sound that "fat". We are talking about straight up obese. The level of fatness that leads to diabetes + heart disease.

FYI there is a big tax on cigs and they are planning to raise it even further

Federal budget unveils major tax hike for smokers that will see jump in cost of cigarettes, tobacco and cigars | National Post

Last edited by GGnoRE; 07-14-2014 at 05:13 PM.
GGnoRE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2014, 03:23 PM   #36
I subscribe to Revscene
 
CharlesInCharge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,996
Thanked 663 Times in 384 Posts
ZioAmerican marketing + affordable (unhealthy) food = unhealthy people = diseases (like cancer) = ZioAmerican profits.

Do our taxes pay for cancer treatment? No.
Where does the life savings of an unhealthy individuals money go after cancer treatment?
It goes into the cancer business run by the same marketers and world suppliers of unhealthy food.
__________________
*My post highlights* *CIC confronts propaganda prodigies*
In reply to members 4444 & StylinRed on 911
http://www.revscene.net/forums/70427...ml#post8658229
jasonturbo & westopher in the election thread
http://www.revscene.net/forums/70467...ml#post8668948
http://www.revscene.net/forums/70467...ml#post8667115
Real news
www.tinyurl.com/kpg44bc
CharlesInCharge is offline   Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
Old 07-14-2014, 04:07 PM   #37
Willing to sell body for a few minutes on RS
 
westopher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North vancouver
Posts: 12,029
Thanked 31,017 Times in 7,108 Posts
This is one tinfoil hat theory I agree with cic on 100% although it's much less relevant here than it is the U.s.
__________________
98 technoviolet M3/2/5
Quote:
Originally Posted by boostfever View Post
Westopher is correct.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fsy82 View Post
seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
Quote:
Originally Posted by punkwax View Post
Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
westopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2014, 04:47 PM   #38
Banned (ABWS)
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 2,452
Thanked 2,667 Times in 960 Posts
I only eat organic, gluten-free, and enjoy vegan products n' shhheeeiit


The last few years living downtown has shown me there are so many beautiful women in their 30's and 40's who have really aged well, the ones who keep their looks only eat premium foods!


There is a chick I met through a friend who partied hard on Granville for like a decade, she's 31 and looks mid 40's. Always eats McD's and shit.
multicartual is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2014, 04:51 PM   #39
Banned (ABWS)
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 2,452
Thanked 2,667 Times in 960 Posts
I'm pretty stoned, so I'm not sure how relevant the last post I made was. Who cares?


Anyways, if you start taxing fat people it becomes a slippery slope real fuckin' quick before the Government is taxing you if you like weed, booze, high horsepower cars, if you mountain bike you might pay a "danger" premium. The Government exists to nickel and dime you on everything, be glad you have the RIGHT to be a fat ass manboob virgin WoW level 70 neckbeard faggot!

Be DAMN glad.
multicartual is offline   Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
Old 07-14-2014, 08:58 PM   #40
I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
 
jasonturbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: North Van
Posts: 2,849
Thanked 7,109 Times in 1,264 Posts
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonturbo
Follow me on Instagram @jasonturtle if you want to feel better about your life
jasonturbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2014, 10:52 AM   #41
I keep RS good
 
Ulic Qel-Droma's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Cosmos
Posts: 28,661
Thanked 5,538 Times in 1,502 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by multicartual View Post
The Government exists to nickel and dime you on everything, be glad you have the RIGHT to be a fat ass manboob virgin WoW level 70 neckbeard faggot!

Be DAMN glad.
it's actually level 90. HAHA....
Ulic Qel-Droma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2014, 12:13 PM   #42
Rs has made me the man i am today!
 
will068's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: van
Posts: 3,412
Thanked 494 Times in 214 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by GGnoRE View Post
^ your self description doesn't sound that "fat". We are talking about straight up obese. The level of fatness that leads to diabetes + heart disease.

FYI there is a big tax on cigs and they are planning to raise it even further

Federal budget unveils major tax hike for smokers that will see jump in cost of cigarettes, tobacco and cigars | National Post
This is the main reason why some of my American co-workers prefer privatized of health care instead of subsidized government health care. They just don't want to subsidize the lifestyle of folks who are obese in the US.
__________________
RS Buy&Sell Rating
will068 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2014, 12:46 PM   #43
I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
 
Spoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: VAN/RMD/BBY
Posts: 2,594
Thanked 1,022 Times in 450 Posts
Health care is just a form of insurance. You bitch about it until the day you need it and then thank god there was such a thing.
Spoon is offline   Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
Old 07-15-2014, 05:42 PM   #44
Banned (ABWS)
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 2,452
Thanked 2,667 Times in 960 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma View Post
it's actually level 90. HAHA....

I don't want a level 90 character

I want a 90 employee porn marketing empire

Fat people need encouragement but many fat people have already given up on any sort of self-improvement, it is sad.
multicartual is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2014, 05:51 PM   #45
I subscribe to Revscene
 
CharlesInCharge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,996
Thanked 663 Times in 384 Posts
I believe the best way to lose weight is going on a fruit diet (which is unaffordable) and also sourcing fats from avocados, walnuts, and olive oil in salads.
__________________
*My post highlights* *CIC confronts propaganda prodigies*
In reply to members 4444 & StylinRed on 911
http://www.revscene.net/forums/70427...ml#post8658229
jasonturbo & westopher in the election thread
http://www.revscene.net/forums/70467...ml#post8668948
http://www.revscene.net/forums/70467...ml#post8667115
Real news
www.tinyurl.com/kpg44bc
CharlesInCharge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2014, 07:26 PM   #46
My homepage has been set to RS
 
sdubfid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: AB/BC
Posts: 2,216
Thanked 1,206 Times in 385 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge View Post
I believe the best way to lose weight is going on a fruit diet (which is unaffordable) and also sourcing fats from avocados, walnuts, and olive oil in salads.
only solution is to be a forager of the land, free from the zioamericans
sdubfid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2014, 09:00 PM   #47
I keep RS good
 
Ulic Qel-Droma's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Cosmos
Posts: 28,661
Thanked 5,538 Times in 1,502 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge View Post
I believe the best way to lose weight is going on a fruit diet (which is unaffordable) and also sourcing fats from avocados, walnuts, and olive oil in salads.
no actually the best way to lose weight is to do cardiovascular activity throughout the day and only eat enough to keep yourself going.

or don't eat at all and sleep 15 hours a day, and the 9 hours you are awake, eat one small meal.

or go party a lot, don't eat cuz you're always high on drugs, and party more, and sleep like mad after (without eating).


anyway

diet is important, but activity is even more important.

and doing activity does not mean u can "eat more".

too many times i see people go to the gym and then say they can eat more. buddy, that extra 250 cals you just ate in 3 minutes, just completely negated your workout, AND added more calories on top.. you know how long you have to workout to burn 250 cals?

don't make me make you watch mike chang 6 pack workout youtube advertisements all day.

haven't they learnt? it takes like 10,000 situps to burn off 1 point of fat!!! LOL.

anyway, point being... people emphasize on diet too much now.

see girls that never work out, and are picky about what they eat... look lady, you look better, but you still look fat cuz you don't fucking workout. you could eat like you did before, and workout way harder and you'd have better results.



whatever, part of me thinks fat people have some genetic disposition to be fat anyway, and on top of that, they have some sort of sensation (taste) impulse disorder... just let them be fat, fuck em.

just like the retards, we as society will carry them on our backs, cuz they're human too. we'll poke fun at them and do experiments on them when needed, but no matter what, we'll always carry them on our backs, just like we carry all the weak humans on our backs.

we need fat people to fuck themselves up so scientists can develop ways to fix those problems, and society as a whole will level up, and become immune to fatness.
Ulic Qel-Droma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2014, 09:07 PM   #48
I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: n zone
Posts: 2,660
Thanked 1,910 Times in 606 Posts
taxing fast food is the dumbest solution i have ever heard anyone propose

making fast food more expensive not only fucks over low income people, but does not actually fight obesity as it aint gonna make fat asses exercise, or diet

you eat anything, no matter how healthy and u don't exercise and run a significant calorie surplus = weight gain. its simple thermodynamics
Sid Vicious is offline   Reply With Quote
This post FAILED by:
Old 07-15-2014, 09:08 PM   #49
RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
 
sonick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Revscene
Posts: 9,251
Thanked 7,150 Times in 2,395 Posts
Quote:
diet is important, but activity is even more important.

and doing activity does not mean u can "eat more".

too many times i see people go to the gym and then say they can eat more. buddy, that extra 250 cals you just ate in 3 minutes, just completely negated your workout, AND added more calories on top.. you know how long you have to workout to burn 250 cals?

don't make me make you watch mike chang 6 pack workout youtube advertisements all day.

haven't they learnt? it takes like 10,000 situps to burn off 1 point of fat!!! LOL.

see girls that never work out, and are picky about what they eat... look lady, you look better, but you still look fat cuz you don't fucking workout. you could eat like you did before, and workout way harder and you'd have better results.


States that activity is more important than diet, yet goes on the next five paragraphs with examples of how diet is more important than activity.

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by skyxx View Post
Sonick is a genius. I won't go into detail what's so great about his post. But it's damn good!
2010 Toyota Rav4 Limited V6 - Wifey's Daily Driver
2009 BMW 128i - Daily Driver
2007 Toyota Rav4 Sport V6 - Sold
1999 Mazda Miata - Sold
2003 Mazda Protege5 - Sold
1987 BMW 325is - Sold
1990 Mazda Miata - Sold

100% Buy and Sell Feedback
sonick is offline   Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
Old 07-15-2014, 11:44 PM   #50
I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: not vancouver
Posts: 2,642
Thanked 1,941 Times in 765 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge View Post
I believe the best way to lose weight is going on a fruit diet (which is unaffordable) and also sourcing fats from avocados, walnuts, and olive oil in salads.
you meant vegetable diet, right? fruits are full of natural sugars (dietetics have to be weary of how much fruit they eat - that should tell you something).

a green (in colour) diet is cheap, don't kid yourself, proteins (meats) are expensive.
4444 is offline   Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Revscene.net cannot be held accountable for the actions of its members nor does the opinions of the members represent that of Revscene.net