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Old 07-29-2014, 07:19 PM   #76
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Pipe fitters and welders make a lot of money here and they are usually always in demand as I've heard.

If you're interested in operating shovels, trucks, dozers, graders (support equipment, etc), you should have some experiences before anyone would consider you.

If anyone is interested, the local college (keyano) offers truck driving courses (I'm talking about big stuff like 797 Haul Trucks), and I've met operators who have gone that route.

The company I work for laid off a lot of people (contractors), due to not being able to produce training records, so if your boss ever says to forget about training records...you might be risking your job. Health and Safety officers can demand you to produce your training records at any time.

You don't have to live in Fort McMurray to work there. There are a lot of companies (mostly the bigger ones), who fly you in and out from either Edmonton or Calgary and maybe a few smaller places along the way.

One advice I'd have to give is, if given the choice, try not to work as a contractor. Even though contractors make a lot of money, the trend is that the big companies have been getting rid of them to reduce cost to the company. I have seen this with my own eyes over the past year I've been here. My office had many contractor personnel and now? almost 0. All have been either converted or laid off. They are still around and we still need them but that is the trend. I've been in meetings where higher management have brought up the issue of "still needing to let go a few more contractors".

Oh and safety is #1 here. If you don't care about safety, then you won't be working here.
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Pipe fitters and welders make a lot of money here and they are usually always in demand as I've heard.

If you're interested in operating shovels, trucks, dozers, graders (support equipment, etc), you should have some experiences before anyone would consider you.

If anyone is interested, the local college (keyano) offers truck driving courses (I'm talking about big stuff like 797 Haul Trucks), and I've met operators who have gone that route.

The company I work for laid off a lot of people (contractors), due to not being able to produce training records, so if your boss ever says to forget about training records...you might be risking your job. Health and Safety officers can demand you to produce your training records at any time.

You don't have to live in Fort McMurray to work there. There are a lot of companies (mostly the bigger ones), who fly you in and out from either Edmonton or Calgary and maybe a few smaller places along the way.

One advice I'd have to give is, if given the choice, try not to work as a contractor. Even though contractors make a lot of money, the trend is that the big companies have been getting rid of them to reduce cost to the company. I have seen this with my own eyes over the past year I've been here. My office had many contractor personnel and now? almost 0. All have been either converted or laid off. They are still around and we still need them but that is the trend. I've been in meetings where higher management have brought up the issue of "still needing to let go a few more contractors".

Oh and safety is #1 here. If you don't care about safety, then you won't be working here.
Hmmmm, can't say I agree with much of anything you said. Not trying to sound like a dick, it's just a matter of perspective I suppose.

I've been contracting for 7+ years and hold a fairly senior position with a major company, if I would have listened to your advice 7 years ago and taken a salary job.... I would have made half the money that I did, and I would have paid twice as much tax.
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Hmmmm, can't say I agree with much of anything you said. Not trying to sound like a dick, it's just a matter of perspective I suppose.

I've been contracting for 7+ years and hold a fairly senior position with a major company, if I would have listened to your advice 7 years ago and taken a salary job.... I would have made half the money that I did, and I would have paid twice as much tax.
I just transitioned to working as a contractor, and I now seek (and have been successful) at finding contracts with a couple other companies as well. If you are good at what you do, and have a good reputation then contracting out to other companies opens A LOT of doors.

In terms of the training and tickets subject, any trades person knows (especially welders) that any lapses where you were not working, or period of inconsistent tracking of what you are doing is of concern.

Welders especially, if you don't weld to a procedure (SMAW, GTAW, etc) for 6 months or more you have to get re-certified to that procedure.

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We are doing 14/7 here at surmount 2. With 3.5 hours of time and half in a 10 hour day. 2 half hour paid lunch everyday. Double time on every public holiday.
For electrician, we get 46.86 a hour, get close to 40000 before tax every 3 month. With flight, food and room paid for. The best thing is no share bathroom. The money is not as good as syncrude or other CBA job. But it saves me on driving to site and gang shower everyday. It pays to be union. They made me QA/QC even though I am not local 424 boy. If I move to Alberta, there is probably a complimentary white hat waiting for me on my bed. But my wife would never agree to move there. If you want to see what union job is available in fort mac . Just go to ibew424.net and look at job line.
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blue collars labours making significantly higher wages than highly educated bright white collars...? imo this is a sign of backwardness in this day and age. low skill labourers should not be paid this much. fuck higher education right? i mean is this what canada encourages kids to be? no wonder canada is falling behind other countries technology, research, not to mention the bad economy. i predict that the average canadian's quality of life will most likely decrease in the next 20 years while the chinese and indian will be living better off.
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I am Chinese and I do have a degree in business. But doing blue collar is lot more fun and interesting than dressing in some dress shirt and tie. A good tradesman doesn't really get dirty.
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blue collars labours making significantly higher wages than highly educated bright white collars...? imo this is a sign of backwardness in this day and age. low skill labourers should not be paid this much. fuck higher education right? i mean is this what canada encourages kids to be? no wonder canada is falling behind other countries technology, research, not to mention the bad economy. i predict that the average canadian's quality of life will most likely decrease in the next 20 years while the chinese and indian will be living better off.
This is not about education, it is about the job market. If you've lived long enough you would understand that education does not mean you're going to be financially secure. You can master all degrees you want at ABC University but if there is no job market you'll still be that jobless educated kid.

Also, I don't know why you always relate all your posts to the chinese.....you racists or just too annoyingly proud?
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blue collars labours making significantly higher wages than highly educated bright white collars...? imo this is a sign of backwardness in this day and age. low skill labourers should not be paid this much. fuck higher education right? i mean is this what canada encourages kids to be? no wonder canada is falling behind other countries technology, research, not to mention the bad economy. i predict that the average canadian's quality of life will most likely decrease in the next 20 years while the chinese and indian will be living better off.
Your parents obviously didn't smack you as much as they needed to.

For our society to operate it requires people to fill all the positions necessary, right from janitor all the way up to prime minister.

The reason those of us who go to Ft. Mac and elsewhere get paid so much is because nobody wants to do it. It's difficult to find people who can adequately fill the positions, and many times when you do find these people, they end up leaving after a few rotations cause they can't cut it. This life ain't easy, and it isn't for everyone, that's why we get paid so much.

Also many of the trades people who get paid so much up there are VERY skilled, so to call everyone up there just labourers, is pretty fucking stupid.

I welcome you to come crawl inside a 5 foot diameter tank barely tall enough to have me sit upright in it and weld an overhand position. On your way to the hospital after you burn your face to a crisp, your opinion of tradespeople might change slightly.
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If you've lived long enough you would understand that education does not mean you're going to be financially secure.

You know what's crazy? I've sold porn for 11 years now and of like 95%+ of people I meet, I've been in business the longest or held a single "job" for longer than anyone I know!!!

A couple real estate agents, lawyers, photographers, actors, and models I know have worked the same job for longer, but that's about it. Most people I meet in their 30's have switched jobs many, many times.
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Dude google "Gorilla Gras"


Back in like 2004, I had the top link on Spermshack dot com re-selling this site for like a week


I made $20,000 in like 4 days from a video of a man in a gorilla suit spraying pina colada mix out of a black cock shaped dildo all over the faces of college girls at Mardi Gras


This is how money is made


I used to drive trucks for $12 an hour, what a shit life compared to this
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This life ain't easy, and it isn't for everyone, that's why we get paid so much.

Yep, and lord knows what kind of chemicals some of the guys get exposed to!


Brave mothafuckas, especially some of those deep mine workers in NWT
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Hate you... not because of this... because the other day at work I sent an email to someone and I accidentally typed "multicartual" instead of "multicultural" because I was reading your damn posts before I wrote the email, and now the receipient thinks I was being playfully racist, but isn't quite as amused as he probably should be.
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blue collars labours making significantly higher wages than highly educated bright white collars...? imo this is a sign of backwardness in this day and age. low skill labourers should not be paid this much. fuck higher education right? i mean is this what canada encourages kids to be? no wonder canada is falling behind other countries technology, research, not to mention the bad economy. i predict that the average canadian's quality of life will most likely decrease in the next 20 years while the chinese and indian will be living better off.
The brain surgeon who would fix your brain (if even possible) gets paid less than some people who play with balls.


Typical year has 8760 hours.
Most people work ~40 hours a week/2100hours a year.

Lets say schedule is 84 hours a week for 26 weeks a year. Works out to 2184 hours a year.

Now add another 2184 hours of being in camp since there are 24 hours in a day and only 12 in a shift.

So that's ~4380 hours spent in a prison cell away from your home/wife/kids/bunny rabbit bodykit etc. Lets say $150000. That works out to $34 an hour.
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blue collars labours making significantly higher wages than highly educated bright white collars...? imo this is a sign of backwardness in this day and age. low skill labourers should not be paid this much. fuck higher education right? i mean is this what canada encourages kids to be? no wonder canada is falling behind other countries technology, research, not to mention the bad economy. i predict that the average canadian's quality of life will most likely decrease in the next 20 years while the chinese and indian will be living better off.
you think its easy to do a trade?
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blue collars labours making significantly higher wages than highly educated bright white collars...? imo this is a sign of backwardness in this day and age. low skill labourers should not be paid this much. fuck higher education right? i mean is this what canada encourages kids to be? no wonder canada is falling behind other countries technology, research, not to mention the bad economy. i predict that the average canadian's quality of life will most likely decrease in the next 20 years while the chinese and indian will be living better off.
if the majority of these "highly educated" people were so smart, they'd realize that their dime a dozen degree doesn't even make enough to pay their student loans off. If the same people had gotten into trades they'd be probably excelling and making boat loads of money

these days degree's dont mean shit if you cant actually use it for a usefull profession, high end business, engineering, law etc. just cause you went to school for 6 years to get a masters in romantic languages doesn't mean you should make more than a guy in a mud pit for 12 hours a day.
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Ohhh... Gululu, I hope your parents have a big company and a lot of money.

Canada has never been a hotspot for tech and innovation, we're too busy buttfucking our resources to give a shit about that sort of thing.
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