it seems like ur contradicting urself. you're almost defending gaza by saying they have to defend themselves, but then say they need to stop it.

i think i've made my point quite clearly, this is a vicious circle of gaza sending 1 rocket, israel saying 'they attacked us' and killing hundreds. i think it's quite easy to see how this ends, with gaza stopping their rockets.

this isn't an issue or right or wrong - i'd rather be wrong and alive than right and dead. as it stands gaza will always end up right and dead (right is a sliding scale)

That's the rub and why I can't really choose sides. At what point is too many? Every country technically has the right to defend itself, but at what point is it deemed excessive, and where is the line drawn after you've put up with rocket attacks for years knowing that you have the power to wipe them out easily?

I agree with you on that last point though.

Is the only thing keeping this from escalating public opinion? Because it seems Israel could squash Gaza like a fly if they really wanted.

Nothing to see here people!, let them fight it out as long as they want. It boosts world economy from weapons sales.

Two solutions: 1) make two states if they wont live together as one, or 2) nuke one side til they are extinct because neither sides are smart enough to coexist in this world.

So things seemed to have calmed down here since I got back so I didnt see a need to bump the dead thread.

Since this was last updated there had been some more bombings/killings and attempted ceasefires

A prominent Vancouver doctor, who is a Holocaust survivor got some international fame by issuing a statement against Israels actions Beautiful dream of Israel has become a nightmare | Toronto Star

Soon after we got 100s of Holocaust survivors / their family members issued a joint statement in the NYTimes against Israels actions in Gaza BBC News - Holocaust families criticise Israel over Gaza

Other than that things seemed to have calmed down, granted there is still a humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the tourism industry in Israel has awoken once again


Well today Israel announced that it's annexing around 1,000 Acres of Palestinian farmland in not Gaza but the West Bank! where you know the government had taken up the cause of not acting like Hamas and instead take the peaceful route

Israel slammed for West Bank land expropriation - CNN.com

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29008045

How's that for antagonizing?

Lapid condemns West Bank land appropriation | The Times of Israel

As I've always said, If people are so passionate about the subject, how about they stop being armchair activists and actually do something about it. This decision will most certainly be appealed, by both Israeli and Palestinian groups. Legal battles are not cheap, so put your money where your mouth is and go donate to those groups. On a side note, the politician I support came out against it. Not all Israelis (and I would argue the majority) support such land grabs.

I agree, I probably should have noted that many pro-peace groups including jewish groups within israel and abroad are against this move but that seems to count very little with the government.