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Old 11-05-2014, 10:03 PM   #26
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Nengun posted that he ordered from a FutureShop IP. Pretty sure this guy works for one branch of GeekSquad and used to work for NCIX too.
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So from what I understand, if you want something from this guy, we gotta go to his house, knock on the door and ask for the parts that he stole..

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Shouldn't be long until RS Detectives find a FB profile/pictures of his car
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Make sure you take from the right evo. I don't want parts missing from my white evo 6. hahaha
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It's only a matter of time before car thieves around the area get the message and start targeting Evos in hopes of scoring a car with $20k in aftermarket parts
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Hello everyone,

I am a mechanic in vancouver, who has worked with the person named here (Kam) couple times already. I will like to keep myself annoymous here since this is like a war here but I have some interesting information to share.

I will like to show a couple information to let the audience really think about it. I just feel like this shouldn't be a one-sided story.

*Kam has paid for the parts.
#1) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3...clU&authuser=0

- oh well, you may say Kam probably did a chargeback on that. However, check this link : Dropbox - Nengun Invoices | Awesome Screenshot, since I worked with Kam on most installations, he has given me invoices on all parts paid everytime I perform work on anything. I have read all invoices and there are over 40 invoices paid. Is it possible for a bank to apply chargeback for 40 charges?

(message me directly and I can give you access to all these invoices)

- oh well, you may say WHY NOT? ...then here is the interesting part. Here are two documents that showed Nengun Performance did a special arrangement/deal with Kam, and it's showed as special charges. Basically, Kam was able to get some parts for free DIRECTLY from Nengun Performance. Those parts were also listed in Nengun's comment here :
screenshot :https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3...S3c&authuser=0

document #1 - special charges (nengun agrees to send for free)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3...cFE&authuser=0

document #2 - special charges (nengun agrees to send for free)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3...OFE&authuser=0

*Keep in mind, from what I see, at least 40% of the invoices showed special charges from Nengun Performance. To me, it looks like the Kam either has credit with the company or there is a special arrange that Nengun sent them out for free)

I have no idea why there are charges wavied directly from Nengun directly on the invoice, but there must be an inside story regarding it. It could be an exchange, it could be a system glitch? it could be anything...and could those invoices be some critical information that Nengun decide to go with online bully instead of legal actions?

Something to think about guys.

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What Nengun has not mentioned has been with respect to its dealings with PayPal/CC companies.

I believe if the seller gets a chargeback there is always an avenue to rebuttal the information presented by the buyer. Even if the buyer is found in favor of chargeback, there are still avenues available to appeal the decision. Nengun would have to be fairly unsuccessful with appeals/rebuttals to a point where they would go out to publicly try and shame the guy

If there are over 40 invoices paid, and each one being a separate transaction - I'd be surprised if PayPal/CC companies haven't looked into all the reversed charges (from the same seller especially).

This situation is all speculation anyways, no point for anyone to get involved other than Nengun and the guy with the Evo as well as PayPal/credit card companies. The police can't really do much for something that's more or less a civil matter under Canadian law, unless there can be a finding of fraud over $5000 (but good luck in getting any court case in a timely manner, justice system is lulz)
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To me, it's just ridiculous if a bank will approve a 40+ invoices chargeback. Even some of the items Nengun listed on facebook, they sent out to Kam with the special discount. I have a feeling there are some kind of special deals that didn't work out between them.

As a business owner myself, I will never expose client's information to the public, Nengun should just go through legal actions if the amount is as much as it mentioned ($20,000). Exposing client's information and taking it to social media/online is just very unprofessional to me.

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How did Nengun ship 20k in parts internationally without the purchaser having to pay duty or sign for the packages? Because if duty was paid or the packages were signed for surely they could use that to dispute the chargebacks.
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Nengun Performance Tom you are deluded. Those invoices have not been written from us. I will show anyone the truth. Yes you are very wrong . We sent him all transactions from Visa and Paypal. Plus we sent all the parts sent. Its very clear. He was adding funds to his auction account and buying parts from our new parts section. But the auction account was spitting our free money like a ATM to the value if 20K in parts. We gave him the benefit of doubt and sent him all his visa payments. Then instead of doing the right thing he was trying to offload the funds into his personal bank account. Then he just ran wouldn't answer us. We sent numerous e mails he wouldnt answer . Then we did send everything to the police and we got a response back they were too busy. We went back to him again clearly sending him all the information. We said we are going on FB he ignored us ie hence we are here. About those invoices he has planed it like that to read as little as possible so he didnt have pay import tax. He is not stupid and he knows how to rig the system. I will give him that and its strange how your FB page Geek computer shop is the same place of work as his. For sure I will send u everything like I have sent him and afterwards you will know clearly what he has done.
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Nengun Performance We just sent another e mail. This is you last day kam fai cheung. From tomorrow we post everything you stole. We are giving away everything to anyone who wants OUR PARTS.

1 x Bride - Zeta III - FRP
FRP - Black F31AMF (67,161 Yen) CAD $ 708.90
1 x Bride - Rails - FG Type
MITSUBISHI LANCER 91/10-00/4 (Right Side Only) FG M015 LANCER RH CAD $ 192.23
1 x Cruize - Forged Wheel Nut
28mm length - M12xP1.5 - x12 Nuts x4 Locknuts - x1 Adapter 28mmP1.5-16L CAD $ 83.70
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Tom I have sent you all the transactions and this was your reply after I have shown you actual proof from Paypal and Visa regarding kam fai cheung


"To: Orders <orders@nengun.com>
From: Tom Lesley <tom.lesley498@gmail.com>
That sounds horrible man. To be honest I don't know much details but what I can do is to ask him in person if he plans to come by anytime.
I will make sure I get a detailed answer from him or have him contact you.
I hope I wasn't installing illegal parts for him for the whole time."

To answer your Question tom, Yes you have been installing stolen parts.

Ok. Not once have we here at Nengun said kam fai cheung has done a chargeback or committed Paypal fraud. We do suspect this will happen though.

On the Nengun site we have New Parts and the Auctions. What Kam was doing is adding funds via Paypal to his auction account but didnt buy anything from the auctions. He would intern buy New parts ( this is one order of 22 orders made)

Bride - Zeta III - FRP
FRP - Black F31AMF
Bride - Rails - FG Type
MITSUBISHI LANCER 91/10-00/4 (Right Side Only)
FG M015 LANCER RH
Cruize - Forged Wheel Nut
28mm length - M12xP1.5 - x12 Nuts x4 Locknuts - x1 Adapter
28mmP1.5-16L

Total with freight $1511.40 CAD

He would withdraw $1,497.38 CAD From his auction account but because he was in the new parts section of the site the order only showed CAD $ 14.65 thus he would only pay CAD $ 14.65 via CC visa and site would automatically refund him $1,497.38 CAD back to his Auction account. So he just kept buying parts and getting plus $1,497.38 CAD refund every time. Then he would cancel an order and receive double the money back. Ok we found the glitch because it happened to some other customers as well and they all repaid. But when we informed Kam he tried to offload money that was not his into his personal bank account. Basically he was making a run for it.

So from there we sent him all the invoices from Visa and Pay Pal So he knows exactly what he has paid.

Basically he has stolen 20K for parts that do not belong to him. We have gone to the Police, they wont, cant help. We have contacted him times beyond number he just ignores us. We have called his Phone he doesn't pick up, we have warned him way prior that we were going to Name and shame, still no reply. I am not proud of what I have done on FB but this is happening all the time from other undesirables doing charge backs etc.

We have slashed $13000 CAD of the bill. Kam knows this, he only has to Pay 7k I personally believe this is a very generous offer on our behalf. Still he doesnt answer us.

In conclusion. Now I want to emphasize this. In no way shape or form do we here at Nengun condone any sort of violence towards this person. Because Kam is not answering us and there are people who have actually contacted us who know or work with him. In a law biding way if Kam is not going to pay back the 7K then those parts are stolen and they dont belong to him. I would like him to hand over all those stolen parts to lets say a forum member and the parts are to be given away for Free to the car enthusiasts of Canada.


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13534500 4G63 Greddy Heavy Duty Timing Belt
00B 050 A13 Type A High Pressure Radiator Cap
MM3010 Mitsubishi - EVO - IV/V/VI - 96/07-01/01 - CN9A/CP9A - 4G63 - NUR-R - Pipe Size 80mm - Tip 114.3mm - 2 Peices
12033801 Mitsubish EVO 4.5.6 CN9A CP9A
21557 Mitsubishi - Evo IV/V/VI - CN,CP9A
4103-RM004 Mitsubishi MT-4 HKS Turbo Timer Harness 6 point
282 308 0 Mitsubishi EVO IV-VI
503-M102 Mitsubishi - See Vehicle Compatibility
41001-AK010 Turbo Timer - Type 1
BWL-53 Mitsubishi Evo 6
59521 Mitsubishi - Evo - IV-IX
EDB02R Honda/Mitsubishi/Mazda/Suzuki Universal - M14 x P1.50
59521 Mitsubishi - Evo - IV-IX
MSP304 Mitsubishi - Evo 4/5/6 - CN9A/CP9A - 70mm - Straight Pipe Catalyst Replacement
71008-AM006 Mitsubishi - EVO IV/EVO V/EVO VI - CN9A/CP9A
255 Fuel Pump 255L/h
7A3-N08 Mitsubishi - Evo 4-6 - 4G63
12030427 Mitsubishi - EVO 4/5/6 - CN9A/CP9A - H280/L600/W76
BLM-004S Mitsubishi - Evo - CP9A
503-N101 Nissan - See Vehicle Compatibility
Standard - Black - M12x1.25 - 16+4 Set Standard Type - Black - M12x1.25 - 16 Nuts + 4 Lock Nut Set
S530540 Mitsubishi - Evo VI - CP9A
251 311 B22 Nissan - Skyline CPV35 / 350Z Z33 - Rear - 22mm - 173% Stiffer
561 477 A Mitsubishi - Evo V/VI - CP9A
561 475 A Mitsubishi - EVO V/VI - CP9A
U12C03-COIL Mitsubishi EVO CT9A - CP9A 4 X Coils
3JCS20 Mitsubishi - Evo IV-IX
321 100 0 High Grade Shift Knob - Silver - M10x1.25
KYM004 - Front & Rear Mitsubishi EVO 4-6 CP9A Front & Rear set
59521 Mitsubishi - Evo - IV-IX
S83051PB-C Mitsubishi EVO V VI CP9A 98.1- 01.1 IV CN9A 96.8 - 97.12 FLOOR PERFORMANCE BAR
59521 Mitsubishi - Evo - IV-IX
206 312 0 Mitsubishi EVO Evo â…¦ - â…¨(CT9A) Evo Wagon(CT9W)
KS-5125 Nissan - Skyline R34/V35 - PCD 114.3 - 5 Hole - 66mm Bore - P1.25 - 25mm X 2
MFP-SUA1 Nissan - Skyline V35 - FairladyZ Z33
SCRM045 Mitsubishi - EVO - CP/CT9A - GSR/Brembo - Front x2
CP9A(GSR) - Rear - R506 MITSUBISHI - LANCER EVOLUTION CP9A(GSR) - 98.1~ - Rear R506
560 311 BJ18 Mitsubishi - Evo CN/CP9A - Rear - 18mm
560 311 A25 Mitsubishi - Evo 4/5/6 - CN9A/CP9A - Front - 23mm
59521 Mitsubishi - Evo - IV-IX
BSMI-21 Mitsubishi - Evo - VI/VII - 65C
59521 Mitsubishi - Evo - IV-IX
251 311 AJ35 Nissan - Skyline CPV35 / 350Z Z33 - Front - 35mm 120-137% Stiffer
KS-5120 Nissan - Skyline R33/R34 - PCD 114.3 - 5 Hole - 66mm Bore - P1.25 - 20mm X 2
F31AMF FRP - Black
FG M015 LANCER RH MITSUBISHI LANCER 91/10-00/4 (Right Side Only)
28mmP1.5-16L 28mm length - M12xP1.5 - x12 Nuts x4 Locknuts - x1 Adapter
561 003 AL Mitsubishi EVO 5/6 CP9A
59521 Mitsubishi - Evo - IV-IX
N755 Sports Type Raly Punching Leather(Red Stitch Deep Cone Type) 350mm
N310 Gara 3 Type 0 Black Leather and Black Sports 350mm
SML-V Red LED Display
RM-07R Red Display - Red Shift Lamp
IFAA01004 Nissan - Fairlady - Z33 VQ35DE - Aluminium
28mm P1.5-16L 28mm length - M12xP1.5 - x12 Nuts x4 Locknuts - x1 Adapter
SP-G III KK SP-G III KK - Black
817S Mitsubishi - Evo III-VI - SRS Airbag - Horn wiring may require modification
503-N101 Nissan - See Vehicle Compatibility
538-M010 Mitsubishi CP9A 4G63 99/1-01/2
59521 Mitsubishi - Evo - IV-IX
503-M102 Mitsubishi - See Vehicle Compatibility
F61HMF FRP - Black Logograph
K01APO Head Support Pad - Black
K03APO Knee Support Pads - Black - Left and Right
14002-AK001 800cc - Yellow - Top Feed - Low Resistance - 2 Hole tapered
F31AMF FRP - Black
FG M016 LANCER LH MITSUBISHI LANCER 91/10-00/4 (Left Side Only)
K01APO Head Support Pad - Black
K04APO Back Support Pad - Black
59518 Nissan - Skyline V36/NV36/PV36/CKV36/KV36 - 350Z Z33/HZ33/Z34/HZ34
315 303 0 Mitsubishi EVO IV-VI
45003-AK009 EVC-S
4N014-S Nissan - 350Z - Z33 - VQ35DE - F:6 R:6.5 kgf/mm
14002-AK001 800cc - Yellow - Top Feed - Low Resistance - 2 Hole tapered
59518 Nissan - Skyline V36/NV36/PV36/CKV36/KV36 - 350Z Z33/HZ33/Z34/HZ34
560 547 AT Mitsubishi - Evo CN9A,CP9A - Front
KEY-SKL Shift Knob - Leather
1301-RM010 Mitsubishi - Evo 4/5/6 - CN9A/CP9A - 600x301x65mm












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Hello everyone,

I am a mechanic in vancouver, who has worked with the person named here (Kam Fai Cheung) couple times already. I will like to keep myself annoymous here since this is like a war here but I have some interesting information to share.

I will like to show a couple information to let the audience really think about it. I just feel like this shouldn't be a one-sided story.

*Kam has paid for the parts.
#1) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3...clU&authuser=0

- oh well, you may say Kam probably did a chargeback on that. However, check this link : Dropbox - Nengun Invoices | Awesome Screenshot, since I worked with Kam on most installations, he has given me invoices on all parts paid everytime I perform work on anything. I have read all invoices and there are over 40 invoices paid. Is it possible for a bank to apply chargeback for 40 charges?

(message me directly and I can give you access to all these invoices)

- oh well, you may say WHY NOT? ...then here is the interesting part. Here are two documents that showed Nengun Performance did a special arrangement/deal with Kam, and it's showed as special charges. Basically, Kam was able to get some parts for free DIRECTLY from Nengun Performance. Those parts were also listed in Nengun's comment here :
screenshot :https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3...S3c&authuser=0

document #1 - special charges (nengun agrees to send for free)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3...cFE&authuser=0

document #2 - special charges (nengun agrees to send for free)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3...OFE&authuser=0

*Keep in mind, from what I see, at least 40% of the invoices showed special charges from Nengun Performance. To me, it looks like the Kam either has credit with the company or there is a special arrange that Nengun sent them out for free)

I have no idea why there are charges wavied directly from Nengun directly on the invoice, but there must be an inside story regarding it. It could be an exchange, it could be a system glitch? it could be anything...and could those invoices be some critical information that Nengun decide to go with online bully instead of legal actions?

Something to think about guys.

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So is this the correct TLDR version?:

- Kam finds out a glitch in Nengun's website which allows him to purchase parts at a deep deep discount
- Nengun ships out parts without thoroughly checking balances
- Nengun publicly shames the guy in hopes of him repaying back
- Nengun attempts to get police involved but they can't do anything?


I doubt anything at this point will be resolved. Nobody is stupid enough to get involved to try and get "free" parts without the risk of facing criminal charges against the guy who already installed most of them on his car. Kam probably won't be looking to pay Nengun back after all of these details have been released - damage has been done?
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Who sends their parts installer all their invoices? especially that many invoices...
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So is this the correct TLDR version?:

- Kam finds out a glitch in Nengun's website which allows him to purchase parts at a deep deep discount
- Nengun ships out parts without thoroughly checking balances
- Nengun publicly shames the guy in hopes of him repaying back
- Nengun attempts to get police involved but they can't do anything?


I doubt anything at this point will be resolved. Nobody is stupid enough to get involved to try and get "free" parts without the risk of facing criminal charges against the guy who already installed most of them on his car. Kam probably won't be looking to pay Nengun back after all of these details have been released - damage has been done?
This is what I'm going on, since everything from Nengun has been barely readable garbage.
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Old 11-07-2014, 08:45 AM   #49
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My question for Kam: How much is your reputation worth? 7k? Or maybe at least an explanation, if there is one.
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in on thread i don't fully understand

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