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Old 02-05-2015, 12:12 AM   #26
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2) Pilot or co-pilot cuts off the fuel if engine doesn't turn on to prevent explosion upon crashing.

You'll notice from the video of the plane when it crashes that there's no huge fireball from an explosion. Fuel cutoff by the pilot?
Is this true? I would assume impact to a fuel tank regardless of fuel in engine or not will still cause a huge fireball.

I didn't see any videos of the explosion...but I'm assuming it's minimized because it collided into a body of water
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Car crashes happen everyday, is it even safe to drive anymore
Simple car crash =/= simple plane crash...
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Simple car crash =/= simple plane crash...
no, but way more ppl die on the road everyday.

i entirely agree with what you're saying - i'd rather get into a car crash than a plane crash (or a train crash), but i bet most of us have been in car accidents here, with 0 or 1 having been in a plane accident.
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having said that, with all the automation of flying, there is a group of thought that pilots aren't as capable and ready to act, as they act so much less than before.

an interesting issue, certainly - i'd still rather have computer control with human review than complete human control (unless denzel is flying it... drunk).

as for asian airlines - if the airline can't fly in US airspace, I won't fly on it. that's the only way to decrease your risk from shit maintenance.

a friend of mine who flies A340s recommends I fly with non asian pilots (not racist) as he says it's a cultural thing for the co pilot to not speak up LOAD if something is wrong, as was seen in the SF Aseana crash those years ago, co pilot spoke up/warned, but pilot knocked him down, then crashed.
I'm pretty sure you can't choose flights based on the ethnicity of the pilots lol unless there's a way to find out whois flying before purchasing the tickets? :/

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I'm still not going to be stepping onto any of these random ass Asian airlines.. TransAsia, MalaysianAir, AirAsia...

Pay more money = get bigger name plane, hope it won't crash.
Asian Airlines. I'd say all of them are pretty bad.
All they care about is the bottom line and profits.
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Asian Airlines. I'd say all of them are pretty bad.
All they care about is the bottom line and profits.
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man, you're on a roll for fucking stupid comments.

the airline industry has been somewhat terrible when it comes to bottom lines. never invest in an airline, it will be a terrible investment (unless you get lucky with a swing)

the airline industry (in US and EU, at least), is so heavily regulated because of this, amongst other reasons.
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his past posts suggest he's a pilot so just ing in this thread
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Is this true? I would assume impact to a fuel tank regardless of fuel in engine or not will still cause a huge fireball.

I didn't see any videos of the explosion...but I'm assuming it's minimized because it collided into a body of water
Yes, that is IF they had the time to complete the procedures (unsure about the ATR, but on Boeing aircraft the procedures call for two switches to be shut off/pulled, shutting off the fuel flow to the engine at several key points all at once.)

flash point of jet fuel is pretty high.(far higher than your typical automobile fuel - it's something like +40C IIRC). It's not that easy to light unless you have a really significant ignition source.



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The ATR is completely capable of flying on one engine. Never had to dodge bridges or buildings when I flew one. In fact, you could even climb away.

If I remember correctly securing an engine was pretty similar to every other airliner out there. The fact that this one is about 20 years newer then the generation I have experience with probably makes it's even more simple. Power, idle. Prop/fuel, cut off. master, off. Big red fire alarm going off? Push that button too.

Simple hands and feet and lack of experience. I'll say it once, and unfortunately I'll have to say it again in the future too.

BTW, 4444 speaks the truth about Asian pilots. It is getting better with time but it is a real situation. I'm totally putting all Asian ethnicities into one broad statement and that may not be true. But it has been shown over and over it is in "their" culture not to question authority. It is similar to the early days in North America where two crew airliners had one Ww2 pilot, and the other off the street. The WW2 was like a god who knew all. He generally never listened to the young inexperienced person. It caused a lot of accidents. Through time, whether it's because these guys died off or attitudes changed. The culture changed as well. Everyone in the flight deck has a point of view, if you don't bring up your concerns you can be penalized. Quite the opposite from what has been seen in the past.
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Even with full fuel and load?
It would not be certified to fly if it wasn't. At the airliner level, the a/c has to have a certain amount of performance in a single engine situation to continue a take off and fly away. The heaviest part of the flight. It won't be mind blowing performance, but it will fly away.

You'll hear some people say small airplanes if they lose an engine it's just a slow decent to the ground. That's true. They also weren't certified at the airline level and have much different regulations.
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Read an initial report. Engine failure during take off. Initiated a shutdown on the incorrect engine. Stalled into the ground. Ouch.
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saw a 8 car crash with one of them being dead 2 days ago . 4 on cambie and 4 on granville bridge.

Plane crash gets more news because its a bunch of people dying at the same time.

All accidents can be prevented in some way..
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yes, by having more accidents, and then learning from them.
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Read an initial report. Engine failure during take off. Initiated a shutdown on the incorrect engine. Stalled into the ground. Ouch.
Human factors strike again! Probably panicked and (obviously) fucked up their SOP
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search captain sullenberger, dude is a hero.

FUck small airlines, these big airlines mostly hire people from the military

Gimli Glider is an equally crazy story and best of all, Canadian. Goes to show how valuable good pilots are. Even in the age of automated aircraft.
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So just an update on the plane crash.
Turns out the captain turned off the left side engine which was operating normally, instead of the right engine which had failed. An extremely typical and basic single engine mishandling mistake.
I must say, for a captain, or even a pilot in general who has almost 5000 hours, that is a very dumb mistake. =/
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............almost as dumb as the Seattle Seahawks blunder.


turned off other engine and thought it will restart again after what?????? plane correcting itself? with both engines now off, you can't do shit. Maybe watching too many Black Sheep Squadron reruns....... Pappy Boyington stunt.
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emergency armchair pilots checking in

Canada's Transportation Safety Board is now part of the international investigation because the engines were made by Pratt & Whitney based in Longueuil, QC

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Sounds like either pilot error, or something being crossed in the plane that lead to the wrong engine being shut off.
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pilot error for sure...when you panic shit goes wrong badly.
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