The infrastructure is already set up for these huge telecom companies...it cost pennies to deliver data.

This is pure price gouging.

It was when Shaw internet first came to town. They had this big open house at a local high school and the guy kept saying unlimited internet. Years later they said the guy meant unlimited connection to the the internet not unlimited bandwidth.

I wonder if using Shomi or Crave TV counts towards the cap? Bell tried to to that with cellphones buy not charging data for people live streaming TV from there app but got shut down by the CRTC. But thats wherewe are heading use there service and data does not count use something like YouTube and your cap takes a hit.

Remember in the 80's when it use to cost a buck a minute to call the east cost and you had to rent or buy a phone from the telco? The government opened up competition and the prices dropped over night. I remember a company doing 10 cents a minute the another company doing 7 cents then someone doing 5 cents now it's a penny or less a minute. The government needs to do something so there can be actual competition.

I bitched a little on social media and called to cancel, genuinely ready to go to Teksavvy, when Telus said they would upgrade my account to unlimited bandwidth for free.

But keep in mind I've had a Telus high speed account since 1998.

Is not as easy as you think. Bigger companies like Shaw have had help from the gov way back in the ways to lay their network. Private company like us don't really have much help. A lot of the times we have to rent our bier from other companies or build our own (btw is not cheap like the link you provided). Also the wiring in your building (if you live in an apartment) matters as well. Some of the building are wired with crappy cate3 cable you are lucky to even get 10Mbps download. Newer building have less issues.

I can't say how much it cost of lay new fibers to new areas but it is in 5 digits for a few km. So you can image how costly it can be just to upgrade to some areas where there is only a small number of people. It is not worth the investment. That's why we only do high raise and apartments that's very close together to save cost.

First of all, I doubt Shaw, Bell and Telus are logging in to Alibaba to buy shitty cheap Chinese cable... :fulloffuck:

Second, that's just the price of the cable. Never mind things like shipping and import duties, since they're probably buying in Canada (or at least within North America)... there's still all the manpower to lay it, the equipment, the trucks... it's not like the cable guy coming to your house, sticking a splitter in the junction box, and stapling a new coax to the siding to add an outlet to your bathroom. You can't just splice a piece of fibre with a couple of crimp connectors.

EDIT: also, Uganda has 40 million people in 236,000 square km (136 people per km^2); Nigeria has 180 million in just under a million km (167 people per km^2). Both are a relatively small area to wire up, with a lot of people to split the cost of it.

Canada has barely 35 million people packed tight into nearly nine million square km - that's 3.4 people to every km^2. If you want the same service and want to split the cost across its users... they're going to have to pay a fuckton more. And yes, I realize that most of the population is clustered along the south border... doesn't change the fact that those connections have to cross a LOT of open space, and there's not nearly as many people to pay for it.

I signed up for unlimited last month. 4 person household (2 up and 2 tenants down).
Our tenants love Netflix so it's common we go over 200 gb

$10 per month but they gave us a loyalty discount of $5 off for 6 month. May as well ask for it.

For those with a suite thinking of ditching telus. Shaw charges a $25 suite fee if they know you have one.

Honestly, I don't disagree that Telus can charge what they want. If you don't like it, switch to another provider. But to suggest that streaming services like Netflix owe such a debt of gratitude to ISP's like Telus sounds a bit biased or one-sided. I have a friend who is considering paying telus to increase their allowable data usage as they are going over their limit DUE to Netflix. So the question is, who is generating revenue for whom? :)

When I mentioned telecommunication sector, I was referring to the big 3, not small telecoms.

As I've said, much of this cost could be split between the major telecoms and the federal government. If we only get the urban areas all linked up, the cost is not that high.

.....Yeah because everything made in China is shitty and cheap. :rolleyes:

Since Chinese-made products are shitty and cheap, and that they will likely purchase an American-made product, why would you need to worry about tariffs? That's what NAFTA is for.

Most of the time when telecommunication companies lay fibre, they wait and collaborate with city workers to put in fibre while they are doing maintenance work on sewage and underground pipes. In this case, the cost of excavating, equipment rental, so on and so forth, is not an expense for the telecommunication company right? You should look up how Google Fibre does it in the states.

I disagree with your argument. I believe that the cost to put this in place is not as high as you state. And obviously, the big telecoms CEO's would use the same excuse as you just stated that the population isn't big enough for it to sustain fibre. Currently, there's no incentive for the big telecoms to further advance internet technology. No need to invest more money in infrastructure when they charge us $80 for a monthly plan, when it costs them $3 to deliver that service (notice the markup here?).

Obviously, if we left it up to the Big 3 to charge us for true fibre optic, without any regulation, competition (it doesn't exist currently in canada, what we have here is an oligopoly) and oversight from the government, they'd charge us an arm and a leg. In which this case, fibre optic would never be sustainable by their accord.

Shaw:

60Mbps/400GB Cap
=$90/month

If they put in fibre, and have unlimited bandwidth and a 1GBps, we would have the most expensive 1GBps plan on this planet based on how our big telecoms gouge us now with copper-based wire, so by logic, it obviously wouldn't be sustainable by the average Canadian, based on how they charge us now. LOL!

Would be great if they just charge for what is used like many other things. Like 15c per gig. I don't mind paying more for the months I use a lot and the months I use less, I can save a few bucks.

That's fine within the cities. What about when you want to connect Vancouver to Toronto and need to cross 4,000km of empty prairies?

I didn't state any cost.

I also never said the population wasn't big enough to support fibre. I'm saying the population DENSITY isn't enough to support large-scale fibre at a cost the customers will accept. And when the customers have whined enough that the government clamps all kinds of caps and restrictions on what they can charge, it really limits the attractiveness of making that investment.

There's no incentive to invest money in MASSIVELY EXPANDED infrastructure when they're not allowed to charge any more for it.

CAN they do it? Sure. What's their incentive? Why would they WANT to?

It's called the internet backbone. That aspect is already in place. Like I've said, it's the "last mile" where they're not willing to invest. They as in the government and the oligopoly.

That's the problem! You can't gouge more than you're already gouging.

No incentive for the big corporations, but tons for the federal government; however, there's no will to get it done, hence my rant!

Do we need it? Yes
Is it sustainable? I believe so
Will it make more profit for the big 3? Probably not!

You made the comment that it's not sustainable to build it, and I'm saying that it does, as long as we are charged reasonably for it. However, there's no such thing as reasonable pricing when it comes to internet access in Canada based on our current organizational structure and obsolete draconian policy's.

also had DSL with them since 97...haha will use this as ammo.

Do you have all 3 in a bundle or just internet?

^^^
call them and ask to talk to retentions. That's the department that can do anything for you.
Let them make the offer. They want to keep you.

LOL that will never happen. They don't even let you roll over data.