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Old 03-23-2016, 03:29 PM   #7501
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It's not fail proof if you don't do what a GM should do which is trade from a position of strength to address weaknesses.

Edmonton kept all of them, got rid of all of their insulary players, and never addressed their weaknesses. Bad management
Case and point, drafting the best player available isn't always the best move. Sometimes it's the right move other times you need to trade down, trade up or move the pick all together for assets it really depends on the teams needs at the time. The Oilers keep drafting the best player available whether they need him or not, terrible strategy although doing it for all these years did land them McJebus last year so maybe it was all part of the master plan.
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Hindsight if they drafted Seguin instead of Hall. They would be in a much different position.
Not sure it would have made any difference. Oilers would have wrecked seguin. He got shipped out of Boston for being a rock star punk on an established team with character guys. I think it'd be pretty disastrous to give him free reign on a team full of rock star punk kids.

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Management wanted Ryan Murray but ownership told them to draft Yakupov instead.
To be fair, Ryan Murray isn't exactly turning out to be a cornerstone stud dman either. Sure he'd be a useful piece to the oilers and most every other nhl team, but ppl would be pissed if yak was drafted elsewhere and properly developed and actually turned out to meet his expectations. Stud dmen can and are often found in the later rounds, but they need to be properly developed whether 1st round picks or 5th rounds picks
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Gilman and Gillis will be missed.
Speak for yourself..Gillis had me pulling out my hair just like GMJB had me doing recently.

Gilman, ill admit, was a loss based on his cap expertise but theres no love lost on my part for Gillis.
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Viktor Hedman was definitely not a stud 'straight out of the draft'.
he was the concensus most NHL ready player of that draft before any one of that draft year played an NHL game. as for when he actually became a stud, thats a different story
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Speak for yourself..Gillis had me pulling out my hair just like GMJB had me doing recently.

Gilman, ill admit, was a loss based on his cap expertise but theres no love lost on my part for Gillis.
Gillis biggest blunders were:
Not moving Luongo at the time the goalie controversy with Schneider was peaking. Got too greedy.
Horvat for Schneider (Schnedier was already a no1 goalie basically.) Horvat is a great player, but return should have been more

He still deserves credit for the incredible team of 2011 + 2012
He deserves credit for that as much as Brian Burke deserved credit for winning the Cup in Anaheim. They both inherited good teams, but they put all the complimentary pieces together (and Burke even got fucking Chris Pronger)

JB has blunders:
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Sbsia extension at 3.6 (or whatever the
Shinkaruk for Granlund (another bottom6 center when we have fucking Brent Sutter to a long term contract)
NOT being able to trade Hamhuis NOR Vrbata
Selling Lack for peanuts (3 + 7 rdounder FFS) Cam Talbot got a 1st. Martin Jones got a 1st. IIRC Jones had less of a workload than Lack even, despite better numbers (on a stacker defenseive LA team though)
Corrado fiasco

I actually dont think they are that bad now. Owners, i am pissed at though. And JB still deserves a kick in the face for not being able to sell Hamhuis at the trade deadline. Look at what Russel got FFS.

They both had their fair share of blunders, but Gillis is winning right now with our glorious cup run in '11. Did he draft like shit? Yes. Except for Horvat and Hutton. And Tanev who he picked up as a FA. Our cupboards were pretty bare and still kind of are in terms of a suiteable pipeline
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We actually picked up his son, Brandon.
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I actually dont think they are that bad now. Hamhuis is here to mentor the next generation of Canucks D
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Gillis biggest blunders were:
Not moving Luongo at the time the goalie controversy with Schneider was peaking. Got too greedy.
Horvat for Schneider (Schnedier was already a no1 goalie basically.) Horvat is a great player, but return should have been more
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Both of those have been widely speculated, both by the local media and national media, to have been calls by ownership as Luongo was Aquillini's favourite player on the team. Also the 12-year contract extension for Luongo and the Tortorella signing (Gillis wanted John Stevens).

Also Schneider returned more than any other goalie in recent history.
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He deserves credit for that as much as Brian Burke deserved credit for winning the Cup in Anaheim. They both inherited good teams, but they put all the complimentary pieces together (and Burke even got fucking Chris Pronger)
Are you joking?

Do people forget how bad Nonis' teams were? They missed the playoffs 2 of 3 years, had absolutely horrendous depth, especially at forward.

The team Gillis inherited had:
- old, semi-serviceable Naslund and broken, old Morrison in the top 6
- Matt Pettinger, Byron Ritchie, Brad Isbister, Jeff Cowan, and a 38-year-old shell of his former-self Trevor Linden as regulars in the bottom 6.

Pettinger was the only bottom 6 player of those 5 to play another game in the NHL and he only spent 1 more season as an NHL regular. Only Burrows continued a meaningful NHL career of that bottom 6.

Gillis completely rebuilt the bottom 6 (Kyle Wellwood, Steve Bernier, Ryan Johnson, and Darcy Hordichuk). He specifically brought in players who were good at faceoffs (Wellwood, career FO% of 55.2%, and Johnson, career FO% of 52.1%), a key weakness of Nonis' team.

FO% by year:
'05-'06: 48.1%
'06-'07: 49.2%
'07-'08: 48.7%
'08-'09: 51.9%
'09-'10: 51.4%
'10-'11: 54.9%

Gillis brought in sleep doctors, nutrition specialists, and numerous other cutting-edge personnel (i.e. statisticians aka "advanced stats").

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“When I look at Sandy Alderson, he was the guy who basically reinvented baseball management,” Gillis said. “He was a marine. Billy Beane doesn’t attend games; he listens on the radio. How unconventional is that?

“Everything that has happened in Major League Baseball sort of preceded hockey by about 10 years. They went through the wars before we did, went through massive change on the labour front before we did.

“I think people will see more non-conventional management people [in hockey]. I’m hoping to bring that here — a philosophy like that. I don’t think this is without precedent.”

Gillis said during his introductory press conference that a top priority is to hire a capologist, a number-cruncher who will understand the Collective Bargaining Agreement and salary cap far better than a power play.

But there will be other hirings by Gillis, and they “will be unconventional people.”
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Canuck players have been issued black bracelets to monitor their circadian rhythms, which are hard to dance to but set everyone's biological clock.

Circadian rhythms are regular mental and physical changes, driven by light and darkness and other factors, that occur over a 24-hour period. Canuck players are wearing the rhythm monitors -- "sleep bands" -- during their six-game, 11-night road trip, removing them only for games and practices. Or, for Daniel and Henrik Sedin on Tuesday, to go swimming.

The information will be downloaded next week when the trip ends, and each players' rest and energy patterns evaluated.

The innovative program, being overseen by the Vancouver firm Global Fatigue Management Inc., is part of new Canuck general manager Mike Gillis's strategy to use new technology to make his team better.

"It's about managing fatigue levels, seeing what kind of sleep guys are getting during travel," Gillis said before the Canucks beat the Detroit Red Wings 4-3 in overtime Thursday night.

"It will allow Global Fatigue to sit down with players and say: 'You average X-number of hours sleep, and here is when you were most fatigued.'

"They will help each guy develop [a sleep schedule] that suits them.

"It's educating players about fatigue and why some days they feel more tired than other days."

Gillis said once the analysis is done, the team will be able to make informed decisions about how to minimize fatigue while travelling to keep players' energy levels high. That might mean altering travel and meal times or adjusting practice schedules, he said.

It could mean redrawing hotel rooming lists so that a player, for example, who has trouble sleeping after a game isn't disturbing a teammate who otherwise would be resting soundly. If sleep disorders are discovered, the team will seek treatment for those players.

Gillis even said there's a chance the round-the-clock monitoring might turn up previously unknown medical conditions. New York Ranger draft pick Alexei Cherepanov collapsed and died this week during a game in Russia, reportedly from an undiagnosed heart condition.

"You saw in our game in Washington," Gillis said, referring to the Canucks' dismal 5-1 loss on Monday, "that our team just wasn't at the physical level they'd been at before that. So we'll go back to Global Fatigue and say: 'This is what happened. Is there anything we could have done better?'"
What Gillis did behind the scenes was absolutely revolutionary. Almost every team in the league now has these personnel and, ironically, we are now one of the few teams that is lacking in these areas.

On the ice, Gillis worked with AV to change the team's style of play from defense-first to a defensively-responsible, transition-based attack that stressed offensive zone time for the team's top offensive players that would become the backbone of those Presidents Trophy-winning teams.

Gillis emphasized roster depth, especially at defense. And this was despite being handcuffed by Nonis trading almost every 2006 draft pick at the trade deadline (only to miss the playoffs and Nonis failed to retain any of the players he acquired) and then following that up with the worst draft in franchise history in 2007. Remember that most prospects require 4-6 years of development to start contributing at the NHL level, which would've meant those non-existent players should've been coming in between 2010 and 2013.

To say Gillis did as much as Burke did in Anaheim is selling him WWWAAAYYY short ...

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NOT being able to trade Hamhuis NOR Vrbata
Selling Lack for peanuts (3 + 7 rdounder FFS) Cam Talbot got a 1st. Martin Jones got a 1st. IIRC Jones had less of a workload than Lack even, despite better numbers (on a stacker defenseive LA team though)
Corrado fiasco

I actually dont think they are that bad now. Owners, i am pissed at though. And JB still deserves a kick in the face for not being able to sell Hamhuis at the trade deadline. Look at what Russel got FFS.

They both had their fair share of blunders, but Gillis is winning right now with our glorious cup run in '11. Did he draft like shit? Yes. Except for Horvat and Hutton. And Tanev who he picked up as a FA. Our cupboards were pretty bare and still kind of are in terms of a suiteable pipeline
Gillis also fought for Aquillini to buy an AHL franchise because of the lack of development that the independently-owned franchise (Chicago Wolves) was providing.
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“It allows our organization to focus on what we think is really important,” Gillis said before the Canucks' game here against the San Jose Sharks. “Sometimes what we think is important is divergent from what an independent owner thinks is important for his minor-league team.

“We get to make the decisions now. It allows us to plan and make decisions … to stock the team as we see fit to help our players.”
Notable, Anton Rodin's development completely stalled in Chicago (along with many of our other prospects) and then took off once again when he went back to Sweden. Obviously, it remains to be seen whether or not his SHL success will translate into NHL success.

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Gillis biggest blunders were:
Not moving Luongo at the time the goalie controversy with Schneider was peaking. Got too greedy.
Was he too greedy though? Look what Lu is doing to this day. He was a major asset.

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While I agree at least one move should have been made, Hamhuis held the hammer (pun intended) and Vrbata had likely created a lot of disinterest league wide due to his poor play and, well.. disinterest in playing to win. He definitely hasn't shown he's the type of player you want in the playoffs.
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thus far in my career as a Canucks fan, my only regrets are calling for Gillis and AV to be fired (...and some games where I got way too drunk)
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Schneider is the one that should have been traded leading up to the cup run, or at the deadline the following season at the latest. Pro scouts should have picked up on his potential, his youth, his professionalism waiting for his chance behind Lu's lifetime contract. Think of what the return leading up to the cup run could have done for us. Hanging onto Schneider was gillis' greed.

Gillis being forced to trade Schneider at the draft was Lu's doing. He should have stfu like a good soldier when the LA clinching game was given to Schneider instead of basically saying his time in van city was done.

At the end if the day MG did miracles for our club, but I believe ultimately his hands were tied by the ownership who then proceeded to toss him under the bus. I honestly was a bit disappointed when lindening rolled into town and discrediting and basically said MG's ideas were goofy and they were going to kick it old school. Gg
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Av was/is a great coach. But his time here was done, the players weren't playing for him anymore and his message to them went stale. No regrets with firing AV. it ended up getting us a free 2nd round draft pick.

I just can't believe that this season will go down in the books as worse than the train wreck of a year that the coach didn't think he needed to attend practices or talk to his players, like how is that even possible...
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At the time, we all thought it was Gillis being greedy, but now we all know it was really Aquilini being the puppet master in the background.

Again, hope the Aquilinis lose a bucket load of money in the next few years and sell the team.
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Gillis completely rebuilt the bottom 6 (Kyle Wellwood, Steve Bernier, Ryan Johnson, and Darcy Hordichuk). He specifically brought in players who were good at faceoffs (Wellwood, career FO% of 55.2%, and Johnson, career FO% of 52.1%), a key weakness of Nonis' team.

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'06-'07: 49.2%
'07-'08: 48.7%
'08-'09: 51.9%
'09-'10: 51.4%
'10-'11: 54.9%
You forgot Manny Malhotra. A real faceoff specialist and the go-to defensive forward brought in by Gillis with 61.7% FO% in the 10-11 season. I was so sad that he got his eye injury that season. He would have helped a lot in the 11 Finals. I think the Bruins were the better FO team in the Finals with their FO specialist Bergeron. (Malhotra played 6 games in the playoffs that season but I forgot which games. Although he was not 100%)
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Kovalchuk went back to Russia because he missed his mother country only to end up playing in China...

Is there any way Ilya can come back to the NHL?
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It's too bad that Dim Jim's chances of getting Kovalchuk on our team are zero. Greedy Russian probably wants too much money to play in the NHL.

Kovy would definitely improve our goal scoring.
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It's too bad that Dim Jim's chances of getting Kovalchuk on our team are zero. Greedy Russian probably wants too much money to play in the NHL.

Kovy would definitely improve our goal scoring.
Except age and health has caught up to him and he hasn't been that productive in the K.
What makes you think he would be productive again playing with the Vancouver Comets?
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