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Old 04-11-2016, 12:54 PM   #8126
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dim jim needs to start kicking tires at other college UFA goalies to at least create a prospect pool...at this rate we'll need Chris Levesque to get out of the kitchen and back into his goalie equipment sometime next year

if Demko isn't signed by the week before the draft, they should at least get a feel for what he could fetch for in the market and do some leg work on possible trades

but then again, this management is great at fucking losing assets for nothing
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dim jim needs to start kicking tires at other college UFA goalies to at least create a prospect pool...at this rate we'll need Chris Levesque to get out of the kitchen and back into his goalie equipment sometime next year

if Demko isn't signed by the week before the draft, they should at least get a feel for what he could fetch for in the market and do some leg work on possible trades

but then again, this management is great at fucking losing assets for nothing
We're basically left with three scenarios:

1) Demko decides to turn pro, we sign him.
2) Demko decides to re-commit to the NCAA, we trade him.
3) Demko decides to re-commit to the NCAA, we keep him.

Now, 2 seems preferable to 3 at face value, but I would imagine that his trade value will severely diminish once he makes the decision to return to school as potential trade partners will be in the same predicament we would be.

If Demko decides to return to school, would you be okay with receiving say a 5th round pick in exchange for his rights?
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Old 04-11-2016, 01:42 PM   #8128
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yeah...i can live with a 5th
it's better than having him commit to school and get fucked like Nashville got when all is said and done
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I would rather gamble on him signing with us then give him away for a 5th rounder. UNLESS he specifically tells management he does not want to sign in vancouver.
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Melanson leaving

Heart tugs Melanson home; Canucks losing Rollie the goalie coach | Vancouver Sun
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After 35 years in professional hockey, the last six seasons with the Vancouver Canucks, Melanson still knows where he needs to be next. And it is not here. It’s in Shediac, N.B., the lobster fishing town where he grew up, to spend time with his 84-year-old mother, Albertine. And in Montreal, where he’ll figure out with his fiancťe, Lyne, what kind of life they’ll live and where.

At age 55, among the best in his highly-specialized profession, Melanson will be leaving the Canucks and could be leaving professional hockey, too.
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A 5th rounder for the best goalie prospect available, basically anywhere in the world?

Are you guys on crack? Fuck if we can't get him signed we're fucking finished.
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:04 PM   #8132
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I would rather gamble on him signing with us then give him away for a 5th rounder. UNLESS he specifically tells management he does not want to sign in vancouver.
But what if he says he want to explore his options at FA? Vancouver just isn't gonna win a competition where there will be multiple teams vying for his services.
That 5th would still be better than nothing.


Sucks that Rollie is leaving but this one was a long time coming. Looks like Clouts will be coming in FT and maybe Alex Auld in some supporting role.
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But what if he says he want to explore his options at FA? Vancouver just isn't gonna win a competition where there will be multiple teams vying for his services.
That 5th would still be better than nothing.


Sucks that Rollie is leaving but this one was a long time coming. Looks like Clouts will be coming in FT and maybe Alex Auld in some supporting role.
Ugh, no.

Where are you getting this info from?
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Clouts has been a part time goalie coach with the Comets the last couple of years... They better not bring him to the Canucks for more then a supporting role
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Mind you, it's from the provies but there was a collection of tweets I can't find anymore that put Cloutier and Auld in the conversation.
Medicine Hat and Dallas-related staff also in the running lol.

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Well, one of the worst kept Canucks secrets is now out.

Funny this, because it wasnít that long ago that Linden said Willie and his staff were coming back.

Melansonís contract is up at the end of the year, and for a variety of reasons, itís expected heíll be gone. Though, he will sit down with management and talk about a potential extension with the team but when the season is over.

Nothing is officially a done deal.

These things are always complex.

Thereís just never a lot of openings so can Melanson can find another fit at what the Canucks pay? Sometimes for a coach like him, people make room.

But most have believed for some time, heíll move East.

Part of it is personal, something head coach Willie Desjardins referenced when asked about it by Canucks.com reporter after the game.

Interesting that.

There was a long delay before Willie was made available tonight before what I would call an uncharacteristic question.

Wouldnít surprise me if the Canucks set something up to get ahead of a sensitive, potentially negative issue, after the report made it on HNIC.

The way Iíve heard it from several people, Alex Auld is a leading candidate to replace him, and itís a job I think Auld would want, and one Iím sure heíd be good at.

There are players who would like this to happen.

Other candidates, under the premise Willie will be back, include Mike Valley, who is with Dallas and was essentially demoted into a development role. He has a close relationship with Willie.

And then thereís Eli Wilson, who worked with Willie in Medicine Hat, works privately with big names and should be back in the NHL.

Woodley also put this out:

That seems a long shot to me with Ranfordís contract status.

Melanson, obviously, would be a significant loss. Heís made every goalie thatís come through here better. Arguably, no coach has had more success developing goalies.

But heís not irreplaceable.

Cloutier doesnít get nearly enough credit for the work heís put in with Markstrom. He has had more influence of the two on Markstromís development.

In fact, Iím unconvinced Markstrom and Melanson is a great fit. Now, Lack was a different story and probably would love Rollie to be in Carolina.

As far as Demko goes, Rollie wasnít there at his first development camp.

Demkoís progression was always going to be mostly on Cloutier.

Cloutier would be at the top of the list, but, as Woodley said, itís believed heís happy where he is, apparently happy and making more as a development coach than some in the NHL.

Bill Ranford would be great...too bad he can't get out of his contract with LA
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I don't know how cloutier is as a goalie coach. Maybe teach them how to fight? But goaltending?
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He's been a goaltending coach for 5 years (1 OHL, 4 x AHL). He had a hand in developing Lack and Markstrom, both have given him good reviews.

I'd prefer someone with a longer resume, though.
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I don't know how cloutier is as a goalie coach. Maybe teach them how to fight? But goaltending?
he was still an nhl goalie and even tho he drove us crazy he still knows the game and the market better then most people out there. It's better having someone with real nhl experience then someone that doesn't
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Francois Allaire never played professional hockey. He started as a goaltending coach at age 19 and, arguably, is the most influential goaltending coach ever, inventing the butterfly goaltending style.

His brother, Benoit Allaire, has been the goaltending coach for the New York Rangers for the past 12 years. Another guy who never played pro hockey.
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Cloutier might've had epic level meltdowns as a goalie, but Markstrom and Lack have nothing but great things to say about him as a goalie coach.
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Probably showed em what he does to Swedish goalies that piss him off
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Benning
  • Goal is to make playoffs while transitioning young players, praised Markstrom, Horvat, Bae, and Hutton.
  • Blamed injuries to experienced players, forcing young players into bigger roles
  • Asked about where he sees the team next year, kinda avoided the question, said younger players will have to get better if they want to be competitive
  • Praised Boeser, said he'd be a first line player, said if we end up with a top 3 pick we'll get another potential first line player
  • Believes you need a true #1 guy to win, believes when Edler is at his best he can be that guy
  • Looking to add college free agents, believes Philip Larsen will help PP and producing offence
  • Said Burr and Hammer are class acts, will figure out their futures next week ith coaches and management, will also decide on RFA's
  • Sat down with Demko and Boeser's parents & agents, Boeser going back to ND, trying to sign Demko
  • Looking to add piece in free agency in 22-28 age range that will help them compete, mentioned D and Wingers
  • Need good mix of young players and veterans
  • Leaves who plays in net up to coaches, thinks Markstrom and Miller both had good years
  • Went through 35 players this year, had a look at a lot of different guys
  • Believes Miller is important in Markstrom's development, believes goalies take longer to develop, extremely happy with goalies
  • Will take BPA, doesn't see defensemen in top 3
  • Demko competitive, angry about loss in frozen four, Jim will let him go through his decision making process with his parents an agent
  • Still talking with Rollie Melanson, he's dealing with family issues, his role might change but will try to keep him involved
  • If Demko signs, will be patient with development
  • Didn't rule out signing of Loui Eriksson
  • 1st and 2nd year players are thinking about themselves, with staying in the NHL, by 3rd year easier to think about the team game w/ stability
  • Top-3 players in draft can step right into the NHL and contribute
  • Doesn't believe asset management has been a problem
  • Chris Higgins was a tough decision, great attitude in Utica, part of the reason they called him back up, will decide on his future next week
  • Sees Pedan as defenseman, come a long way since trade, hes going back to Utica
  • Worried about Gaunce at center originally because his skating wasn't great, now that's improved so center is an option

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  • Challenging year, impressed with McCann and Virtanen, proved they could play at NHL level
  • Horvat wanted to win, tried to make something happen every shift
  • Accountability is key with young players, even coaches (singled out himself)
  • Avoided question about where Willie himself could improve, going back to young players
  • Tryamkin has upside, knows what he has to do over summer, glad he got time near the end of the season
  • Asked about offence from defensemen, said powerplay wasn't good enough to get D points, says they need to play an aggressive style
  • More excitement with the team with more young guys, players were extremely positive in the interviews
  • Leaders have input in direction of team, Sedin's in particular, young leaders also have opportunity to voice their opinions
  • Burrows is a quality person, one of the best views of the game, lot of respect for him
  • McCann has skill, and an edge (referenced pushing back against Getzlaf)
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There were a few moments with Benning in that interview.

Paraphrasing - 'We went through 11 defensemen this season ... Out east, we would worry about who our 7th and 8th dmen were. Here, we need to worry about our 10th, 11th, and 12th dman.'

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No shit ...

It's like he came in and said, "Everything the previous regime did was wrong, I know better." ... And is just now coming to the realization that maybe they did what they did for a reason ... Like sleep doctors, having a roster with good defensive depth, putting waiver-exempt players in the AHL (i.e. Tanev) for injury call-ups down the road even though they were better than some of the players on the NHL roster, etc.

Then he dances around Drance's questions regarding asset management ... Ugh ...

Plus Benning contradicted himself on multiple occassions.

Willie did okay in that interview. He's a good talker.

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(got so worried after someone mentioned jake bean )

Jake Bean is #13 in the NHL central scouting report today. lol

Dubois is 1st for N. American Skaters

It would be interesting to see who we draft if our pick falls out of the top 3.
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