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Old 11-17-2015, 08:45 PM   #1
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**Japanese Elementary School** Let kids grow pig and make them eat

Kids in Japan are spoiled. They do not understand the true value of food.
Whenever they get full they throw away foods without hesitation & they are not thankful of virtually unlimited food supply.

School Districts in Japan are experimenting new strategy to let kids understand what kind of sacrifice you need to make to eat bacon that you can buy from your local supermarket.

There are big controversies and complaints from parents and society because many people believe that this sort of "education" is cruel and kids shouldn't be worried about what's going on behind the scene. This could lead to unnecessary stress in Japanese kids' lives.

Here's one example at Juen Elementary School in Japan. (Kids are typically assigned to take care of pigs for 5-6 months)

Baby pigs arrive


Kids need to take care of them


Take them out for run


Bathe them


Wash them


After 5-6 months, they're all grown up


Meat processing company arrives


Kids watching


Lots of pushing, pulling ears, etc.


After pigs got sent to the meat processing factory


And they came back



Now kids have to cook them and eat




It was even on the TV show, this sort of controversial education is becoming more common in Japan.

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but if the parents aren't raising them right, the school will have to i guess...

i always finish everything on my plate, and leftovers, from the meal, aren't thrown out
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I don't think it's harsh, this is real life.
It wasn't even a century ago that most every family had to raise and slaughter animals for themselves.

I've never butchered a pig or cow, but I've cleaned many fish and a few chickens. I don't know how to describe it, but eating those animals just *feels* completely different than eating something from the supermarket.
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I don't think it's harsh, this is real life.
Real life? How often do we butcher our own food? The difference is that these kids are raising these pigs as pets and create emotional attachments to them. I'm sure your stance on the topic would be a lot different if it were a dog involved. Regardless of what animal, it would be traumatizing for anyone to butcher and eat something they have become attached to.
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Real life? How often do we butcher our own food? The difference is that these kids are raising these pigs as pets and create emotional attachments to them. I'm sure your stance on the topic would be a lot different if it were a dog involved. Regardless of what animal, it would be traumatizing for anyone to butcher and eat something they have become attached to.
We don't butcher our own food, that's the problem. People don't respect where food comes from, so heads are filled with various ideas one way or the other.

Usually the only exposure we get to farming in the media is from animal rights nutjobs. While farm cruelty obviously does happen, and is a problem when it does, it shouldn't be the only exposure to farming we have. It fills peoples' heads with bullshit.

I agree that farm animals shouldn't be treated as pets if you're going to butcher them. If they were doing that with these pigs, that isn't really fair to the kids.

That's the way it's portrayed in the pictures, but it was more likely that they were showing the kids how their pigs live day to day - they get fed, are exercised, and are cleaned. They aren't pets, but they aren't mistreated either.
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Pigs are for eating - Gordon Ramsay
I have no idea if this is the full cut from the show, but Gordon Ramsay did the same thing with his kids.

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lol probably emotionally scarred for life
some truth... they don't need to know at such early age.
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There's a Japanese movie, school days with a pig. 6th graders raise a pig and when they graduate they eat it lol. Maybe it's part of their culture. The way of the samurai.
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This is teaching kids how to value a relationship with pets more than it is to value food. It is also at the same time, traumatizing them with the fact that the industry will grind away animals that could have been once loved, possibly turning the kids into vegetarians. Maybe the schools should seek some professional psychologist before attempting some random strategy.

A better direction for the schools to take in teaching kids how to value food is put them in an environment where they have to find and preserve their own food for like weeks to months. Like a survivor kinda training.

Nevertheless, if the parents know how to teach their kids when they're at age 3 and getting older, I'm sure that the majority of these kids won't waste food.
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reminds me of a story when my Uncle brought his son to Vietnam when he was a kid. Made him watch how they prepare/kill a pig right in front of him with all the blood and shit spewing out. told me after that he wouldent eat pig ever again and when he sees blood he faints lol shit rektD him
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having them raise farm animals for food is one thing...letting the kids treat them as pet, then slaughter them and make them cook and eat them is just sick...
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I wonder how many kids will become vegetarian because of this?

I also wonder if they actually get to eat 'their' pig? It looks like the pig is treated FAR better than a regular farm pig (i.e. exercise, attention, etc.), which would constitute a much higher price at the market. They could just switch this free range pig with a regular farmed pig and cash in on the savings...
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I wonder how many kids will become vegetarian because of this?
Jesus, what a absolutely pathetic society we live in that this is the mind set.

Its disgusting the mentality people have these days towards animals and the act of killing/butchering them.

Kinda OT but I've been a hunter and fisherman my entire life, literally since I could walk I've been fishing and IMO it's given me an unmeasureable amount of respect for the animals and the meat I take from them.

It's so funny how people these days have this barbaric outlook on hunting and hunters when they are more than happy to sit down and have a steak dinner or eat half of a roasted chicken and toss out the rest.

What these kids are experiencing is life, it's not just a respect for the food they eat but the stark realities of life.
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Would love to have my kids go through this, unfortunately that will never fly here.
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Jesus, what a absolutely pathetic society we live in that this is the mind set.

Its disgusting the mentality people have these days towards animals and the act of killing/butchering them.

Kinda OT but I've been a hunter and fisherman my entire life, literally since I could walk I've been fishing and IMO it's given me an unmeasureable amount of respect for the animals and the meat I take from them.

It's so funny how people these days have this barbaric outlook on hunting and hunters when they are more than happy to sit down and have a steak dinner or eat half of a roasted chicken and toss out the rest.

What these kids are experiencing is life, it's not just a respect for the food they eat but the stark realities of life.
Yes, I agree.

But keep in mind, farmed animals are just that, FARMED animals. Typically farmers do not have any relationship/emotion towards their livestock for obvious reasons.

These children are trying to be taught about the origin of their food and the amount of work it takes to bring food to the table, so that they are less wasteful. These are children who are not raised on a farm, whose first reaction to a baby animal is to probably bond with it (i.e name it, play with it, etc.).
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That's fine, however, if they were not exposed to it like this, how else would it happen?

A field trip to a meat processing plant would probably be far more traumatic than this sequence of events.

Grade A picture sequence there btw timpo lol
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That's fine, however, if they were not exposed to it like this, how else would it happen?

A field trip to a meat processing plant would probably be far more traumatic than this sequence of events.

Grade A picture sequence there btw timpo lol
I'm not sure how else it would happen, naturally?

I'm not a hunter, I didn't raise animals, but I have respect for them. I appreciate the amount of work that goes into raising livestock and slaughtering them. A trip to a meat processing plant would not change my perspective on eating meat.
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Real life? How often do we butcher our own food? The difference is that these kids are raising these pigs as pets and create emotional attachments to them. I'm sure your stance on the topic would be a lot different if it were a dog involved. Regardless of what animal, it would be traumatizing for anyone to butcher and eat something they have become attached to.

Do you go to the PNE and walk through the barns with the 4H animals?
The ones raised by kids?
Do you think those animals stay "pets" after the show?
None of those kids are emotionally scarred, they are taught that it's a fact of life that those animals will inevitably become food.
It's a GOOD thing for some emotional attachment to the animals, it makes for greater respect of the animal when it's taken.

One of my uncles grew a couple bulls on his land a while back. One was named T-Bone, the other was Fillet. Do you think my cousin was scarred for life because T-Bone and Fillet ended up on her plate?

Stop raising kids as such fucking namby pambys.

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You'd be wrong. If someone wants to eat dog, they can fill their boots. It's not my place to judge.
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I am all for this. More people need to be aware and be reminded of where their food comes from. I've heard people actively TRYING to block out where it comes from and imagining that they are 'grown' into perfectly packaged styrofoam and cellophane packages.
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I was so hungry one time, I ate food from the garbage haha. Life lesson, dont waste food.
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having them raise farm animals for food is one thing...letting the kids treat them as pet, then slaughter them and make them cook and eat them is just sick...
Thats the point though.
If you are farming animals for food, they should be getting the same respect as a pet.
I don't mean letting a pig sleep at the foot of your bed at night, but they should be fed well, have a proper place to sleep and see no cruelty until the bolt goes into their brain and kills them instantly.
I'll never stop eating meat, although there have been days where I've considered it, it won't happen. However, I will continue to learn about where my meat comes from, and what/where are not appropriate places to spend my money or support. Teaching kids about this at a young age is invaluable to the future of sustainable and cruelty free farming.
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This happened in Britain as well

Also, a movie was adapted from the events that took place at this Japanese school

My take on this? I love it.

Teaching them when they're younger is smarter because they're not yet fully exposed to social warrior nutjobs and celebtards who grab idiots by the truckfull and pull them into their ridiculous dogma. Domesticated animals are one of our greatest resources in human history.

There's good and bad farmers, it's just important to know where to buy your meat from. From experience, I can honestly taste a huge difference in factory farm vs ethically farmed meat.
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meh, most Japanese kids are fucking spoiled and don't have a clue about anything. id be more worried about Abe and his patriotic education system
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