Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by yray

isn't the cla now based on byd architecture like the smart cars now?

We recently got a eqe suv and it sucks balls. Saving grace was 0% lease and 10k off. Drive it for 4 years and see what the future brings.

I can never get the battery to warm up to 100+kwh fast charge. Supposedly, we are able to use tesla superchargers now but only a few people got the nacs adapter from merc but if the battery can't prep to accept 150 kwh, what's the point.

I think CLA is its own thing

& yeah in the winter if you’re starting cold and just driving around town, it will not warm up enough.

The battery heater takes 1 hr to raise the battery temperature ~5 Celsius.

[yray]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

The battery heater takes 1 hr to raise the battery temperature ~5 Celsius.

Tried after a full day of driving too.

shitty part in Vancouver is all the 150+ kwh chargers are chevron or tesla.

Chevron is $0.69/ Kw, so a fill up from 10-80% is going to be $55.

https://evkx.net/models/mercedes/eqe...chargingcurve/

Even if I managed to precon to 150kwh charge, I can only get about 150kwh until 50%, it drops dramatically afterwards so I might as well switch to a lower power DCFC for some cost savings. But I ain't got the time for that tho

TBH, I am actually preferring my dads mini EV. Even though it has a tiny battery, I can pull up to any 50kw fast charge and get 0-80 in 20mins, top up at home only takes an hour or 2.

[AstulzerRZD]

Yeah fast charging is expensive; I just go to Tesla / BC Hydro.
A couple of the BC Hydro in Delta/Surrey are now 150kw.

Adapter wise, sounds like you charge outside the house a fair bit.
We got a free one from Ford.

The whole preconditioning thing is a mess... to get a 'better' speed
- Must be driving consistently
- Navigation must be set to a fast charger on the EQ screen (enables pre-conditioning)
- 15-45 minutes of preconditioning must be had

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

Yeah fast charging is expensive; I just go to Tesla / BC Hydro.
A couple of the BC Hydro in Delta/Surrey are now 150kw.

Adapter wise, sounds like you charge outside the house a fair bit.
We got a free one from Ford.

The whole preconditioning thing is a mess... to get a 'better' speed
- Must be driving consistently
- Navigation must be set to a fast charger on the EQ screen (enables pre-conditioning)
- 15-45 minutes of preconditioning must be had

That preconditioning sounds like a shit show.

A lot of ppl don't even use the in car nav if they have apple carplay/android auto, unless you are telling it cross pollinates(which I don't think they do)

[Badhobz]

Are we not going to address the fact that Mr Yray is rich as fuck ?!?!? Bros got a EQE !!!!

Herrow ?!?!?

You know how I know he’s rich ?! He drives a Range Rover that gets

[AstulzerRZD]

S Tier: Tesla
A tier: Ford, Rivian, GM, and Polestar are the only other ones I can trust my parents with.

- Android Auto & Google Maps has charge level AND preconditions
- Carplay & Apple Maps has charge level

- Plug and charge so no app needed for most
- Supercharger access with similar charge rate
- Rivian / Ford / Volvo / GM gave free NACS adapter

B tier: MB / BMW / Porsche are fine using onboard nav; except Porsche's doesn't have speed trap info.

C tier: Hyundai/Kia/Lucid Air; onboard nav is impossible to use with terrible route planning and charger selection. Dramatically different charge rates at Telsa vs other chargers.

F tier: Toyota/Lexus/Subaru/VW doesn't even have preconditioning.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Are we not going to address the fact that Mr Yray is rich as fuck ?!?!? Bros got a EQE !!!!

And he just bought it for shits and giggles

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Are we not going to address the fact that Mr Yray is rich as fuck ?!?!? Bros got a EQE !!!!

Herrow ?!?!?

You know how I know he’s rich ?! He drives a Range Rover that gets

I rmb pulling into A&W for a burger and randomly stumbling into a car meet
bro had a LWB S90 with integrated child seat boosters way back in the day

[Badhobz]

https://youtu.be/X2HX5wsQVEA?si=Na2cu6IGQqEWmD4o

This is still how I see EVs

[AstulzerRZD]

tbh that's kinda how i see PHEV

like wtf u mean i have to think about moving the car off the charger in the middle of the workday?

wtf do u mean the engine's gonna wake up and bother my gf if i'm ripping it

[AstulzerRZD]

that said i do think some EV like Mach E GT PP and Lucid Air really bring me back to some fav cars from the 2000s

Air has the balance/fluidity/feedback from E39
Mach E GT PP is eager, a little bit stiff, heavy steering like a late 2000s Evo X or TT RS

[yray]

Jokes on me, on board nav with live charger info is a 1 year subscription. If I don't subscribe, I don't even know how I can precon.

Dude, my EQE350 is shit. Its like bottom tier with artico leather that some how got to 99999.99 so I can avoid the luxury tax. Its 0-60 is like 6 seconds, the intelligent recuperation does weird shit when the car infront of you turns off the road.

[AstulzerRZD]

Never know what to expect from D-Auto mode
I just set it to D- and let the car coast, coasting is more efficient than regen

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by yray

Chevron is $0.69/ Kw, so a fill up from 10-80% is going to be $55.

Jesus fucking Christ, not even a full fill for an EV comes out to $55? That's pretty much the price of gasoline.

Is this some kind of joke?

If you don't have the ability to charge at home, what the fuck is the point of these EVs?

[AstulzerRZD]

It’s .21 at Tesla and .35 at BCHydro.

Cost no object they are quieter, smoother, more responsive, and more powerful.

A 225HP Kia EV6 RWD has faster 60-80 and 80-115kmh than a Macan S and GLC43

These days if Avis/National don’t have a nice v8 in the rental aisle I ask for an EV so I’m not stuck with some 4 cylinder Altima/Camry/CX5/Malibu shitbox

(Except for the Bolt/Solterra/BZ4x lmao)

[underscore]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Jesus fucking Christ, not even a full fill for an EV comes out to $55? That's pretty much the price of gasoline.

Is this some kind of joke?

If you don't have the ability to charge at home, what the fuck is the point of these EVs?

It looks like 80-10% range works out to ~315km. So $0.175/km. I think regular is like $1.80 for you guys right now? So a gas car that gets 10l/100km is $0.18/km.

[yray]

shell is .50/kwh for 150+ charge but it's like always broken

hydro is around .39
some private 60kwh chargers are around .30-.35

the slower lv2 ac chargers are around .20

home is around .15 assuming you break tier 2

I just charge outside because we got renters that pays a portion of the utilities

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by underscore

It looks like 80-10% range works out to ~315km. So $0.175/km. I think regular is like $1.80 for you guys right now? So a gas car that gets 10l/100km is $0.18/km.

I honestly thought the savings would be better with EVs from a charging perspective, essentially if one would go the gas station route of recharging their vehicle, you're only saving roughly 5 cents a KM?

That along with the huge EV depreciation, higher up-front cost, potential range/charge headaches on trips depending on location?

If you can't charge at home, EVs aren't really showing their value here.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I honestly thought the savings would be better with EVs from a charging perspective, essentially if one would go the gas station route of recharging their vehicle, you're only saving roughly 5 cents a KM?

That along with the huge EV depreciation, higher up-front cost, potential range/charge headaches on trips depending on location?

If you can't charge at home, EVs aren't really showing their value here.

I think a lot of newer vehicles beat 10L/100km pretty easily, a gas Rav4 is like 7.5, but for a direct comparison a regular E 350 apparently gets about 9L/100km so $0.162/km. So the gas one is actually cheaper if the Chevron is your main option for charging.

[AstulzerRZD]

who tf charging up at Chevron - people are driving 10 minutes and waiting 30 mins in line at different gas station for 5 cents off per liter (2%?)

with this, driving to BC Hydro/Tesla saves you 80%.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I honestly thought the savings would be better with EVs from a charging perspective, essentially if one would go the gas station route of recharging their vehicle, you're only saving roughly 5 cents a KM?

That along with the huge EV depreciation, higher up-front cost, potential range/charge headaches on trips depending on location?

If you can't charge at home, EVs aren't really showing their value here.

I think Chevron is a red herring here, the average in BC is 27c/kwh between BCHydro and Tesla.

In Vancouver, at least the public option is _fine_. In NY/Boston, you're looking at 48c USD/kwh for the CHEAPEST option here while gas is $1.20 CAD. No one should drive an EV in the northeast.

[JDMDreams]

I think unless you're driving some economy car or hybrid you're not getting under 10/100km I'm averaging just over 12l/100km 3.5l V6 AWD with mixed city highway, but that's more highway. If you're all city no way you're doing better.

[EvoFire]

If you live in Vancouver, Burnaby, Richmond, or the North Shore, a EV makes more sense as you sure as hell ain't getting 7.5 even in a Rav4 gas (non hybrid).

Our car usage is overwhelmingly city and with our X3 we were getting 14l/100km when it's rated for something like 10-11 mixed.

[AstulzerRZD]

Yeah and EV / gas cars are efficient in opposite contexts.
It’s about picking the right tool for your use.

Gas cars love lower kms and highway driving.
EV love high load, city driving, and lot of KMs in 10 year battery lifespan.

For EV6:
225HP base model is faster at 8-100km, 50-80, 80-115 than GLC43/SQ5/X3M40i.
6.4km/kwh ripping around NYC, compared to 20L/100km in a base X3.
3c/km at ripoff public charging vs. 30c/km for gas SUV.

140kmh driving with heat:
13c/km (~4km/kwh) compared to 15c/km (10L/100km) on gasser

Lightning:
3km/kwh TOWING a fully boxed 3000# trailer, compared to 27L/100km on a 5.0 gasser.
7c/km compared to 54c/km

[yray]

Some lv2 chargers are free after 6pm but it's like fighting for a parking spot at crystal mall during Saturday afternoon. Also, you gotta know the spots.

I can only see someone using chevron only if they are in a hurry, or they are like 5% batts.

Some seniors drive for free because of these spots lol. but they got time on their hands to snipe a spot.