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#6876 | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by bcrdukes Is the headlight and hood latch adjustment known pain points? Did these issues prevent you from driving the car? Or could you simply drive around until an appointment was available for service?
This is a very interesting discussion and informative for me. Appreciate you sharing this!  | Both are known issues, but they were minor didn't affect the drivability of the car. The headlight had some distortion on the housing, which apparently was common during the first batch of the made in china MYs while the latch was a faulty actuator which required pressing "open" twice to fully disengage. Both repair took the tech  0 min each.
I currently have a polestar 2 and MY. The polestar 2 software is glitchy and the sensors are shit. It's so sensitive that it constantly slams on the brakes when I'm trying to park next to a pillar or in a tight spot. The steering and ride quality is also not indicative of a 65k+ car.
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09-29-2025, 12:38 PM
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#6877 | Willing to sell body for a few minutes on RS
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Originally Posted by Hehe Honestly, I appreciate your insight from an engineering perspective, but sometimes your information is stuck in the past few years.
Take Autopilot as an example, sure I have only been using FSD instead of AP, but FSD is lightyear ahead of anything else. BlueDrive or whatever Ford has is shit in comparison. I have barely driven lately. It's always point on the GPS, activate FSD and just space out.
From what I'm hearing, AP and FSD have merged into a single stack. So, AP is merely a more restricted FSD on things that it's capable of doing. It might not do what FSD can do, but to say that other manufacturers have a lead over Tesla on ADAS is just crap. As a matter of fact, I don't think any of the ADAS available in Canadian market is remotely close to what Tesla can do today and as we continue to progress into V14, the difference will just become bigger and bigger.
As far as service goes, newer Tesla need very little service. So much so that it's no longer a thing among owner clubs. My first Tesla went back for some small issues here and there, but my Plaid and CT have been pretty much perfect. And as someone already mentioned, even when my cars needed any service, most of them are done with mobile. I just leave the car somewhere, they arrive to where the car is, do the work and away they go.
The last few times I have been back to service center were all buying parts like filter and wiper blades, but other than that, visit to Tesla service centers is rare now.
EVs today, it's Tesla vs. others. Some might one up Tesla in some aspect like charging speed, mileage, build quality or whatever, but taking everything as a whole, I don't think there's another EV that offers that same EV owner experience as Tesla. With other options, it's sacrificing the overall experience for whatever that "one up" might be. | I sense that AstulzerRZD works in the automotive industry, he has experience with a wide variety of EV models, and he always provides pros/cons on all companies. You don't work in that field and you always praise Tesla.
Therefore, I would value AstulzerRZD's opinion on this matter over yours.
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09-29-2025, 12:41 PM
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^while true, but hes also like 20 years old and because of that, he can shut the fuck up
no offence bro. i respect you as a person, just not your age YA LITTLE WHIPPER SNAPPER YOU!!! SHUT THE FUCK UP! geezers are taaallllkkkkiinngg heeeerr
I was driving and fighting kerpaljeet in KFC's before you were even a little sperm with a mop head haircut.
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09-29-2025, 12:41 PM
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AstulzterRZD is a lie and a waste of time.
Re: Filters and wiper blades - Can one not just go to Canadian Tire, Lordco, or NAPA Auto Parts to pick up some replacements?
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09-29-2025, 12:49 PM
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#6880 | Willing to sell body for a few minutes on RS
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Originally Posted by Badhobz ^while true, but hes also like 20 years old and because of that, he can shut the fuck up
no offence bro. i respect you as a person, just not your age YA LITTLE WHIPPER SNAPPER YOU!!! SHUT THE FUCK UP! geezers are taaallllkkkkiinngg heeeerr
I was driving and fighting kerpaljeet in KFC's before you were even a little sperm with a mop head haircut. | EVs have been available to these young whipper snappers since the first day they got their driver's licenses. For us old farts, we don't even know how to turn on an EV...
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09-29-2025, 12:53 PM
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#6881 | Los Bastardo owned my ass at least once
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Model 3 uses this weird hook, not the standard $10 replacements that you can get from Costco. So I just AliExpress it
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09-29-2025, 12:55 PM
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#6882 | Los Bastardo owned my ass at least once
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Also the Tesla filters I think are better, I got Amazon so called HEPA charcoal filters and they don't filter out exhaust smells from outside, I never noticed this issue with factory filters.
What kinda Boomer are you driving ev with Regen off. Why would you use brakes and have less range. |
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09-29-2025, 03:40 PM
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#6883 | I don't get it
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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD Big misses: - App is unusable: No battery level, lock/unlock, or remote pre-heat/cool. No fix in sight.
- Trip planning pain: No battery % in CarPlay/Android Auto—must use onboard nav or a Bluetooth OBDII + ABRP workaround.
- Charging network gap: No Supercharger access until ~late 2025/26; interior trips rely on sparse BC Hydro sites (2–4 stalls vs ~16+ at Tesla sites).
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Infotainment has been glitchy (reportedly improved).
Heat pump isn’t standard. If you want a deal
Mach-E avoids those issues and is commonly $15k–$20k off.
Typical street pricing: 72 kWh RWD ≈ $40k new, AWD ≈ $45k - ≥$10k less than a comparable ID.4. | The product page shows the app unlocking / locking and controlling climate. I think that's sorted. Heat pump is a 1500 option. Not terrible but I agree they should probably make it standard and up the price.
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09-29-2025, 07:43 PM
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#6884 | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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heat pump as an option on a 50k car heading into 2026 is messed up
and they wonder why ID's are piling up
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09-29-2025, 10:16 PM
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#6885 | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
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Originally Posted by Gumby I sense that AstulzerRZD works in the automotive industry, he has experience with a wide variety of EV models, and he always provides pros/cons on all companies. You don't work in that field and you always praise Tesla.
Therefore, I would value AstulzerRZD's opinion on this matter over yours. | I don't question his knowledge for one second.
But for Tesla, from what I can see in his posts, his information is quite dated. And coming from a person who have driven a lot of EVs and especially a lot of Teslas, I find his statement, while mostly correct, sometimes just stuck in certain time period and is no longer appropriate on current products.
FSD development is quite astonishing. From V11 or earlier (drive like a machine and I would only engage for show), to V12 (driving in the city is possible) to V13 now (where I just let the machine do most of the driving on a daily basis since it drives 99% like me) is quite difficult to comprehend unless one has been trying it along the way. Especially when one is used to Model Year type of offering while Tesla actually would change things within the same MY. A 2024 model made in late 23/early 24 can be vastly different than one made in late 24.
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09-29-2025, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bcrdukes This is a very interesting discussion and informative for me. Appreciate you sharing this!  | TLDR
my toyota loving mini driving beetle fixing comrade, why do u need to know all this??
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09-29-2025, 10:27 PM
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So I’ve driven MY25 Plaid, highland 3 equipped with AP or FSD.
my issue isn’t in the performance, FSD is a lot more capable. Merged stacks is also why I like blue cruises, where a super cruise is just a POS.
Tesla ADAS has given me the most WTF WHY DOES IT WORK THAT WAY moments. From
non sensical driver monitoring, weird torque levels required to nudge the wheel often disengaging AP, way too much lane centering torque immediately on activation jerking the car, being locked out of auto pilot just because I exceeded 85 mph on a drive.
It’s all sorts of weirdness I have not experienced with other brands and I have tried almost every ADAS stack out there.
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Originally Posted by headhunt3r The product page shows the app unlocking / locking and controlling climate. I think that's sorted. Heat pump is a 1500 option. Not terrible but I agree they should probably make it standard and up the price. | Would be good to double check that the app was fixed and actually works. Owner complaints in previous model year was that it was advertised, but it doesn’t work.
In general, although the experience is not complete, I think you will probably be satisfied if you’re using it as a city errand car.
I think the Mach E is a better all-around experience at a cheaper price, but it comes with its own downsides - namely interior space and brand image.
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Originally Posted by JDMDreams Also the Tesla filters I think are better, I got Amazon so called HEPA charcoal filters and they don't filter out exhaust smells from outside, I never noticed this issue with factory filters.
What kinda Boomer are you driving ev with Regen off. Why would you use brakes and have less range.  | Regen off just means coasting enabled (or sail mode in MB terms).
The brakes are still regen, it just doesn’t automatically brake when u lift pedal.
Applying regen when you could just coast instead is far less efficient.
You also don’t want regen with no pedal input in snowy conditions.
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Originally Posted by red kryptonite TLDR
my toyota loving mini driving beetle fixing comrade, why do u need to know all this?? | I'm in the market for a Tesla EV! It's time to go green!
No more oil changes
No more gas prices
No more repairs
No more exploding cooling systems
No more leaking powersteering racks
More importantly: No more Toyota and Porsche trash!
(I still love BMW!)
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#6891 | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by Gumby I sense that AstulzerRZD works in the automotive industry, he has experience with a wide variety of EV models, and he always provides pros/cons on all companies. You don't work in that field and you always praise Tesla.
Therefore, I would value AstulzerRZD's opinion on this matter over yours. | I dabbled enough to know I didn’t wanna do it as a career - from product planning, production validation ,crash safety, winning Formula hybrid on $16 used shocks, competing on SAE autodrive, and doing my part in running a Formula Student electric team bankrupt!
Most who work in auto are doing mundane shit like making diagrams for a design review on something like a taillight housing for a Chevy trax. We are not experts in this giant beast… just a small cog.
My hottest takes are in ADAS - Applied Intuition (Toyota supplier) and most recently Nvidia offered to interview me for self driving platform.
I respect Tesla but their trafeoffs in build quality, interior, NVH for day to day use (like WTF why do I need to think about headlight housing or hood latches???) are no longer worth it because others are either beating them at their own strengths in self driving/charging/UX or they’re about to.
Keep an eye out on what the oval puts in their next pickup.
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09-29-2025, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bcrdukes I'm in the market for a Tesla EV! It's time to go green!
No more oil changes
No more gas prices
No more repairs
No more exploding cooling systems
No more leaking powersteering racks
More importantly: No more Toyota and Porsche trash!
(I still love BMW!) | this has to be misdirection....
u have a crown coming or a taycan... i can feel it!!
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09-29-2025, 11:37 PM
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#6893 | Even when im right, revscene.net is still right!
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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD Would be good to double check that the app was fixed and actually works. Owner complaints in previous model year was that it was advertised, but it doesn’t work.
In general, although the experience is not complete, I think you will probably be satisfied if you’re using it as a city errand car.
I think the Mach E is a better all-around experience at a cheaper price, but it comes with its own downsides - namely interior space and brand image. | Can confirm Audi app is jank. Every few weeks/couple months the car/app stops talking to each other. Server issues.
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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD Most who work in auto are doing mundane shit like making diagrams for a design review on something like a taillight housing for a Chevy trax. We are not experts in this giant beast… just a small cog. | I think it'd be different if you were in a systems engineering org. Especially at a startup, not at a legacy OEM. And especially not with a supplier.
Also, if you had the patience to grind through 5-10 years of making diagrams for design reviews, you'd eventually have oversight of broader systems architecture. Though as a PM you probably wouldn't even have to go through that grind lol
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#6895 | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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The self driving shit these days are looking for platform/arch expertise so you’re right, I’d probably get pretty good visibility.
Just didn’t want to relocate AND put in crazy long hours to work around hardware timelines and constraints
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Originally Posted by red kryptonite this has to be misdirection....
u have a crown coming or a taycan... i can feel it!! | Hybrid vs. Electric. Both trash. What's the difference?
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#6897 | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD So I’ve driven MY25 Plaid, highland 3 equipped with AP or FSD.
my issue isn’t in the performance, FSD is a lot more capable. Merged stacks is also why I like blue cruises, where a super cruise is just a POS.
Tesla ADAS has given me the most WTF WHY DOES IT WORK THAT WAY moments. From
non sensical driver monitoring, weird torque levels required to nudge the wheel often disengaging AP, way too much lane centering torque immediately on activation jerking the car, being locked out of auto pilot just because I exceeded 85 mph on a drive.
It’s all sorts of weirdness I have not experienced with other brands and I have tried almost every ADAS stack out there. | I think there's probably a pretty big difference between your mindset and Hehe's mindset.
You are thinking like a software engineer and project manager, and you can pick out the little things that you'd understand to potentially not be part of the product/technical requirements because you are used to working with that mindset. I am very much the same way and sometimes I would just use and reuse the same functionality because I'm curious what the parameters are and explore what their boundary cases. I want to know what and how the functionality would perform when I need it.
Hehe (note that he IS a Tesla fanboy) would most likely use things like a regular consumer. Most "errors" that would bother you (and probably me) would not register. What would register to us as a bug/failure in workflow and user lifecycle, to him it's just a minor inconvenience because most people would just absentmindedly perform the same action a second time to try and elicit a response. Is it a shitty fallback? No doubt, but it is what it is.
This is a mismatch of expectations and experiences and neither of you are really wrong. I was working on Evo Car Share and many times the card tap doesn't register the first tap or the app wouldn't book the car on the first try. My work on the system let me understand the failure is due to the car communication lag. When you try to access the car from the app the app communicates with the server, which wakes the car and waits for a response from the car to update the status, then send the booking request to the car and wait for a response, then it'll register the booking in the backend, which then sends the app a response. The back and forth often exceeds the API timeout for the app and the booking fails.
For a regular user, it's an annoyance to tap twice or book twice for it work, but for them it's part of experience. Some would make a complaint other's would just go on with their day as long as they can use the service. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikoyan Can confirm Audi app is jank. Every few weeks/couple months the car/app stops talking to each other. Server issues. | BMW's system has it's foibles as well. The problem stems mainly from the car using a the cellular network to communicate, but each network has it's own limitations and deadspots. You park in a deadspot or underground, you are not going to get a response as the car has no connection. Sometimes the car is just "doing things" in the background when it's asleep and it's just not available.
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BMW has foibles? No!!!!!
Re: car communication lag - Must be because it's a Toyota.
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Originally Posted by bcrdukes BMW has foibles? No!!!!!
Re: car communication lag - Must be because it's a Toyota.  | Actually no, the Evo system is standalone from the car. Car has no idea. The standalone system is honestly a terrible piece of shit. It was French if you are wondering, the French part tells you enough.
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Is it Thales?
Disappointed you didn't trash Toyota even when I handed the opportunity to you. Thank/Failed you!
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