wow that's a gruesome scene

the helicopter cameraman is refusing to zoom in right now, but he had already, can't really tell though but i think it's an officer :/

So what do you propose? what kind of restrictions are going to keep guns out of the hands of people willing to kill DOZENS of innocent people?

somone who can kill people without a second thought isnt willing to break into homes to find guns?

there are no laws that are going to prevent this.

And yea, i own guns, have virtually all my life. Really beside the point.

The US is too busy being scared shitless of "turrurists" that aren't a real threat to bother solving their own internal problems brought on by too many guns and too little mental health care.

There has actually been a mass shooting almost every day in America. Some days had more than one. See below chart in link.

Planned Parenthood Shooting Victim's Brother Is Criticizing US Gun Laws

Read those 2 statements and really think about it. Cause I know you are smarter than that.




Also people on the do not fly list in the US are allowed to buy guns. How does that make sense?

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JUST IN: Suspect in #SanBernardino shooting ID'd as Syed Farook; Another believed to be Farook's brother: Source: https://twitter.com/NBCNews

CORONA, CALIFORNIA — Law enforcement officials have identified Syed Farook as one of the suspected shooters who attacked a center for the disabled in San Bernardino, California, according to NBC News. The Daily Beast has learned that the police have just executed a search warrant at a Redlands, California address—an address that belongs to Farook’s family. More... Suspect ID'd in San Bernardino Massacre as Syed Farook - The Daily Beast

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Instincts, right?

One of my closest friends lives in SB, but thankfully he moved out of the area where the shooting took place a month or so ago. I'm glad he wasn't working and answered me right away when I contacted him. One of our other friends messaged me and told me to message him and make sure he was ok because there'd been a shooting. I got this in the middle of my work day and freaked out =/

In before Chucky blames the Illuminati.

So it sounds like it was an employee for the health department Syed Farook and his wife? the guy was an inspector for the county health department, and left early from the Holiday party, after an altercation, and then came back and well... -_-

an interfaith and islamic group just did a press conference condemning the attacks, but given that he's an employee and did this at the employee party, it sounds more like a disgruntled worker

How? By repealing it. Wouldn't be the first Amendment that would be repealed (18th Amendment was Prohibition). And it can be reasonably argued that the 1st and 4th Amendments are already being ignored by the government or the general public.

That said, I would be extremely surprised if this was ever done. It's too ingrained in the American lifestyle for them to willingly let it go. And, beside, even if it was, I think it's already hit the point of critical mass. There's something like the equivalent of 8 guns for every citizen out there right now. If they stopped selling guns tomorrow, it would hardly make any difference for at least a couple decades, if not more.

As you've said it yourself, Lomac, at a practical level, I just don't see how it can be done. The amount of backlash that the (US) federal government would face if they ever attempt such a thing would be insurmountable, and it wouldn't just come from the lobby and interest groups, but also citizens in general. Simply put, it would be political suicide, and neither the GOP nor the Democrats would ever dare to attempt that.

If it were to be done, it'd have to come as an (election) campaign promise. And then on the practically non-existent chance that the candidate made it to win the election, the objective could be pushed through (because by then it means prerogative has been endorsed by voters).

And you just know that even if it ever managed to get pushed through, there would be a large enough group that would deem this act to be reason enough to create a citizens militia against the government and go after said government.

"If the government doesn't want us to be able to protect ourselves, there's gotta be a reason for it!"

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Also no one is talking about banning guns no one except for some slack jawed yokels.

Surprised no one posted this yet.

center for the disabled?
what the fuck? he hates disabled people???
what's the motive?

mind fucking...

Allegedly he was an employee and this stemmed from an argument that had happened earlier that day at a meeting.

Seems like this is likely a take on "Going Postal" rather than an actual terror attack.

Going Postal is an individual act and doesn't explain the motives of the female suspect.

it's california prolly his ride or die biatch

there's still questions about a 3rd suspect, it's still very odd atm

True, but I'm just going by the facts that are currently being presented (surprisingly both left and right leaning news sites are saying more or less the same thing at the moment). Doesn't mean it's ultimately correct, of course.


Edit: Apparently I hadn't checked the news for a while. Seems it might have been planned more than originally thought.

Edit edit: I'm reading the comments section on Fox News (I know, I know). Man, the shit being said in there hurts my head. :banghead:

they had pipe bombs strapped to RC cars.


totally a simple gun control issue

So how many of the 14 did the R/C cars kill?

Terrorists wishing to inflict damage in the western/modern world have, for the most part, figured out that elaborate bombs require a great deal of knowledge, easily traceable and hard to acquire components, and rarely achieve the desired effects. They have moved on to cheap, effective, untraceable, easy to acquire guns for coordinated attacks. The use of explosives is meant to distract or delay while the real work is done with guns.

anyone with the sufficient motivation and planning could kill a large number of people if given the opportunity. the tool used seems irrelevant

Knife-wielding attackers kill 29 at China train station - CNN.com

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com

They found them in their house, not at the scene.