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Old 02-24-2016, 09:23 AM   #1
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Court rules medical marijuana users can grow their own

This looks like good news!

What qualifies a person as a medical marijuana patient, though? Is it as simple as getting something from a dispensary doctor?

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CBC.CA - A Federal Court judge has struck down federal regulations and granted medical marijuana patients the right to grow their own cannabis.

The constitutional challenge was launched by Nanaimo, B.C., resident Neil Allard and three other British Columbia residents who argued that legislation introduced by the previous Conservative government violated their charter rights.

Judge Michael Phelan heard the case between February and May 2015 in Vancouver.

In the meantime, an injunction has allowed thousands of Canadians with an authorization to use medical marijuana to continue growing marijuana until today's decision.

The Marijuana for Medical Purposes Regulations were introduced in 2013 and required patients to buy cannabis from licensed producers instead of growing their own.

During the hearings, federal government lawyers argued that the regulations ensured patients have a supply of safe medical marijuana while protecting the public from the potential ills of grow-operations in patients' homes.

The lead counsel for the plaintiffs, John Conroy, told court that the legislation has robbed patients of affordable access to medicine. Some people were left with no choice but to break the law, he argued, either by continuing to grow their own or by purchasing on the black market.

Previously, those who launched the challenge promised to take their fight to the Federal Court of Appeal if today's decision was not in their favour.

The federal Liberal government has committed to regulating and legalizing recreational marijuana but has yet to introduce any legislation.
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what's a dispensary doctor, some sort of specialist?....or more on the lines of dr dre type of doctor?
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i dont know that i agree with this... especially the way they are calling marijuana a 'medicine'.

im pretty certain you can't brew or form any other prescription 'medicine' in your home.

and the argument that not allowing people to grow their own violates their canadian charter rights and has robbed patients of affordable access to medicine. again, any other medicine is going to cost you money, you can't grow it for free.

and any other prescription requires a legitimate doctor prescribing specific controlled dosages, but marijuana requires a doctor nick from the shop in the alley around the corner, and if you get it, now you can grow your own and use as much as youd like.

and don't tell me that a lot of 'personal medical use' growers aren't slanging on the side.



pretty well anyone who argues that it should be legalized, always uses the point about how it will be sold in pharmacies or liquor stores, regulated and taxed and be a massive government revenue stream. hows that work when its so easy to get a use authorization and be able to grow it in your own home?


if i know 10 people with cards, 1 of them might actually use it to help a condition, and 9 of them are just pot heads who've been smoking too much weed since high school and could use a lifestyle change more than anything. but i guess thats the case with alot of prescribed drugs, a cleaner lifestyle and some exercise would solve half of the conditions that people are medicated for these days.
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i dont know that i agree with this... especially the way they are calling marijuana a 'medicine'.

im pretty certain you can't brew or form any other prescription 'medicine' in your home.

and the argument that not allowing people to grow their own violates their canadian charter rights and has robbed patients of affordable access to medicine. again, any other medicine is going to cost you money, you can't grow it for free.

and any other prescription requires a legitimate doctor prescribing specific controlled dosages, but marijuana requires a doctor nick from the shop in the alley around the corner, and if you get it, now you can grow your own and use as much as youd like.

and don't tell me that a lot of 'personal medical use' growers aren't slanging on the side.



pretty well anyone who argues that it should be legalized, always uses the point about how it will be sold in pharmacies or liquor stores, regulated and taxed and be a massive government revenue stream. hows that work when its so easy to get a use authorization and be able to grow it in your own home?


if i know 10 people with cards, 1 of them might actually use it to help a condition, and 9 of them are just pot heads who've been smoking too much weed since high school and could use a lifestyle change more than anything. but i guess thats the case with alot of prescribed drugs, a cleaner lifestyle and some exercise would solve half of the conditions that people are medicated for these days.
This is a unique situation because the plant is easily grown. As such, it should be treated uniquely.

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You're also jumping to a lot of conclusions also.
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From what I understand there are 2 types of cards one given by a dispensary doctor that anyone can get and the other issued by the government. Only the people that have a card issued by the government can grow there own.
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im pretty certain you can't brew or form any other prescription 'medicine' in your home.


and the argument that not allowing people to grow their own violates their canadian charter rights and has robbed patients of affordable access to medicine. again, any other medicine is going to cost you money, you can't grow it for free.
Why does it matter and who the fuck cares? The definition of "medicine" is "a substance that is used in treating disease or relieving pain " not "a substance developed in a pharmaceutical laboratory and sold for profit"

So you can grow your own pot, and you can't manufacture your own Percocet. So What?

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and any other prescription requires a legitimate doctor prescribing specific controlled dosages, but marijuana requires a doctor nick from the shop in the alley around the corner, and if you get it, now you can grow your own and use as much as youd like.
As noted, there are two different cards. The one you get from the government is completely different than the doctor nick from the illegal dispensary.


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pretty well anyone who argues that it should be legalized, always uses the point about how it will be sold in pharmacies or liquor stores, regulated and taxed and be a massive government revenue stream. hows that work when its so easy to get a use authorization and be able to grow it in your own home?
Some people brew their own beer, ferment their own wine and I've known people who grow their own tobacco, but the majority of people don't. Why? Convenience

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if i know 10 people with cards, 1 of them might actually use it to help a condition, and 9 of them are just pot heads who've been smoking too much weed since high school and could use a lifestyle change more than anything. but i guess thats the case with alot of prescribed drugs, a cleaner lifestyle and some exercise would solve half of the conditions that people are medicated for these days.
I know one person with a real, government of Canada card. My 67 year old Aunt. She has severe Sciatica and is on dialysis. I have seen days where she has been in screaming agony, but on a couple of pot cookies and she can actually function throughout the day.

That's fucking good enough for me.
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I am not sure how easy or hard it is. But my co worker when to one of hose places that sells medical marijuana did some questions on the computer they setup there and was able to qualify for medical marijuana use........
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also heard London Drugs + Shoppers want to get in on selling it
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So basically weed is now like liquor? Just like making home brew or buying beer at the liquor store, companies will produce and sell it to people with a licence or if you have a licence you can grow your own. Is that correct?
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IMO the government just gets dumber and dumber.

Why not just legalize it and have authorized growers and sellers (wholesaler, retailer) and reap the benefits of the tax money? With the low oil price right now our country sure could use it. Might bump the loonie up a bit too
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IMO the government just gets dumber and dumber.

Why not just legalize it and have authorized growers and sellers (wholesaler, retailer) and reap the benefits of the tax money? With the low oil price right now our country sure could use it. Might bump the loonie up a bit too
The Liberals are supposedly going to do it at some point, but this isn't something you can just do overnight.
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Canada just wants in on the new source of Tax Money...
Washington Expects Pot Sales Tax Revenue Surge to $1 Billion - Bloomberg Business
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It's dangerous to run dispensaries here, organized crime rips off dispensaries all the time and goes after their grow ops too. The whole system is so broken the way it is...
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It's dangerous to run dispensaries here, organized crime rips off dispensaries all the time and goes after their grow ops too. The whole system is so broken the way it is...
If organized crime is ripping off dispensaries, whats going to happen to local neighborhoods when someone finds out or knows someone who's eligible to grow their own? Word travels fast, and its probably easier for a crack head to break into a home with an "ill" patient than inside a store. Not to mention the possibility of there being kids inside the house at the time as well.
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I think Shoppers would be a great way to sell it over the counter and they know they will make so much money why not get involved. This will be a bad thing for the dispensary's since I could see the government making it legal through drug stores and illegal for dispensary's to sell it but I'm ok with that.
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I know one person with a real, government of Canada card. My 67 year old Aunt. She has severe Sciatica and is on dialysis. I have seen days where she has been in screaming agony, but on a couple of pot cookies and she can actually function throughout the day.

That's fucking good enough for me.
My mom has cancer is was going through chemo.
She has lost a lot of weight and is down to about 80 lbs.
My brothers tell me she can't eat and anything she does eat, she complains the taste is bland.

If giving her cookies and brownies can give her the munchies and gain back some weight, it would go a LONG way to help her survive the fight.

So I agree with with 68. That's more than fucking good enough for me.
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Should your mom start her own grow on then? Or should she get it otc from a pharmacy?
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Should your mom start her own grow on then? Or should she get it otc from a pharmacy?
Seeing how frail she is, I'd say start her own grow op and we can help her tend to it.
Safeway isn't allowed to let us collect air miles with pharmacy purchases anymore.

But my comment is in relations to your comment about 10 people carrying cards and only 1 of them actually needs it and how proper exercise will help etc...
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Then your mom would be one of the 1/10 that would legitimately benefit fro it. I have a close family member with crohns that would benefit as well.

My point is that I know enough people who got a card so they could smoke even more weed than they did before. One says he has stress which he doesn't. And another one says he has insomnia even tho all he does is drink 2-3 large monsters and and tons of junk food and sits on the couch all day playing video games. Those people are just pot heads abusing the system.

I don't agree that people who need it should grow their own tho.
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I think someone is really missing the point. If you were hungry but needed to save money, would you eat at a restaurant or cook your own food? It's about being able to live a normal lifestyle for a lot of cannibas users. You can argue that some/most users are just pot heads... So what? It's not like they're hurting anyone. Alcohol was illegal to sell and brew until the 1930's and could only be used for medicinal and religious reasons. Alcohol was also distributed and consumed underground.
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Then your mom would be one of the 1/10 that would legitimately benefit fro it. I have a close family member with crohns that would benefit as well.

My point is that I know enough people who got a card so they could smoke even more weed than they did before. One says he has stress which he doesn't. And another one says he has insomnia even tho all he does is drink 2-3 large monsters and and tons of junk food and sits on the couch all day playing video games. Those people are just pot heads abusing the system.

I don't agree that people who need it should grow their own tho.
i don't understand how this situation is any different from alcoholics, or people who abuse prescription drugs, or people who get high as fuck over inhalants, solvents etc.

or how about people who just plain sit at home and stuff their face and are obese messes?

sounds like you're just thinking of the stereotpyical reefer madness style stoner.

people with addictions will always exist regardless of the availability of the drug.

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