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04-06-2016, 08:44 PM
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| Why is it legal to sell cars that can break the speed limit?
I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death, but when I think about it, I found it interesting.
It is illegal to go over 70km/h on scooter in BC (or 60km/h in some states/provinces) so the manufacture would limit the top speed accordingly.
I did some research and some 2 stokes can go 90km/h if you take off the limiter.
It is illegal to go over 32km/h on electric bikes in BC, so the manufacture would limit the top speed accordingly.
It is illegal to go over 120km/h on BC highways, yet manufactures can sell cars that can go over 400km/h and no rev limiters are mandatory.
Not just in BC, but cars manufactures can build cars as fast as they want, even in Europe.
Occasionally, in Europe(sometimes North America) there are some sort of political pressure from government when Suzuki Hayabusa and other superbikes enter the market, because they've been perceived as hazard on the road.
However no government has ever went after Bugatti, Koenigsegg or Hennessey to put political pressure to limit the vehicle speed.
Japan has 180km/h limit, but that's not a law by government, it's a "gentleman agreement" between Japanese manufactures.
So scooters, electric bikes, motorcycles are always under some sort of pressure not to build a vehicle that can go too fast, but seems like there's no such restriction for cars. I found this kind of interesting..  | 
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04-06-2016, 11:04 PM
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It's valid question and he gets failed. The herd mentality of the kids on this board....
My guess is people use cars at tracks as well other areas that is not public road. I suppose you can install something to disable the limiter at registered track but seems to be a PITA. Plus companies have already limit their own car for couple decades now. The government seems to be ok with industrial regulations so that's that. I guess at some point when tech coverage is much wider than doing something like limit vehicle's top speed on public roads would be easier.
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04-07-2016, 03:04 AM
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04-07-2016, 06:34 AM
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i always thought it's a valid point
but many hates intervention from companies/govt locking things down on personal possessions it'll never fly...or that there will always be a workaround
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04-07-2016, 07:28 AM
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better slap on restrictors on all those GT-R's...
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04-07-2016, 07:33 AM
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One reason I have heard that there are restrictions on bikes/scooters is due to the fact that they are, compared to a automobile, less safe.
If you are in a high speed crash in a modern car you can are far more likely to survive than the same accident on a bike.
As for restrictions, I feel that there simply should not be any. Let people thin the heard with there stupid actions instead of trying to nanny them.
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04-07-2016, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by thumper better slap on restrictors on all those GT-R's... | They did....in Japan. It was limited to 180KPH on the roads. When the GPS detected you were at a track, it removes the limiter. Not sure if the newer GTRs have it any more though.
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04-07-2016, 09:30 AM
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So what happens when the speed limit changes somewhere? Have a million cars lined up to be reprogrammed? And what happens when you travel to the states or somewhere, where the speeds are much higher?
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04-07-2016, 10:14 AM
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From my understanding the reasoning is pretty simple... Over a certain speed limit (motor size) you require to have your motorcycle license and of course under a certain speed limit you just require a class 5 license. It makes total sense in my eyes since you need to be aware of different dangers and such at higher speeds.
As for car's they are safer and with the different speed limits all over they don't restrict the speed as much but a lot of cars do have a governor set at 160-170km normally.
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04-07-2016, 11:33 AM
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My Raptor had a limiter set to 160km/h. The Focus... Not so much.
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Are the manufacturers of scooters and ebikes adding these limiters on their own or are they required by law to do so? If they're just doing it on their own and there's no law saying that they have to then the answer is simply that the mfr's are doing what they want to do.
Also don't just consider the legalities of it, you also have to consider the physical limitations of the components. If the legal limit for scooters is 70km/h then a given scooter may only be designed with components capable of doing 80, so they set a limiter at 75.
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04-07-2016, 12:23 PM
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No no, Timpo is right... all motorized vehicles, including scooters, should be restricted to not being able to exceed the posted speed limit. This creates a lowest-common-denominator scenario, though, because the lowest speed limit you'll normally see posted is 10km/h (apartment/condo parking lots). So by all means, let's just put limiters in them all and lock them down to 10 clicks.
Otherwise, the whole argument is fucking retarded. Speed limits on some BC highways recently went up from 110 to 120km/h... what would happen with all the cars that were limited to 100?
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Are we maybe overcomplicating things? It's perfectly legal to buy a gun in the States but God forbid if you shoot someone with it, you're thrown behind bars. The car isn't going to drive itself at 150km/hr, you need a driver with the intention to do so. That's why it's illegal for you to go past the speed limit, but selling a car that's capable of doing so is not a problem.
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Originally Posted by 604STIG So what happens when the speed limit changes somewhere? Have a million cars lined up to be reprogrammed? And what happens when you travel to the states or somewhere, where the speeds are much higher?
Can't believe i'm letting myself get sucked into a Timpost. | a great point..maybe 10 years ago. Youre thinking limiter purely from a hardware perspective
GPS/google maps is so common, i don't forsee it being difficult/costly to adjust limiter accordingly
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Originally Posted by Timpo I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death, but when I think about it, I found it interesting. It is illegal to go over 70km/h on scooter in BC (or 60km/h in some states/provinces) so the manufacture would limit the top speed accordingly.
I did some research and some 2 stokes can go 90km/h if you take off the limiter.
It is illegal to go over 32km/h on electric bikes in BC, so the manufacture would limit the top speed accordingly.
It is illegal to go over 120km/h on BC highways, yet manufactures can sell cars that can go over 400km/h and no rev limiters are mandatory.
Not just in BC, but cars manufactures can build cars as fast as they want, even in Europe.
Occasionally, in Europe(sometimes North America) there are some sort of political pressure from government when Suzuki Hayabusa and other superbikes enter the market, because they've been perceived as hazard on the road.
However no government has ever went after Bugatti, Koenigsegg or Hennessey to put political pressure to limit the vehicle speed.
Japan has 180km/h limit, but that's not a law by government, it's a "gentleman agreement" between Japanese manufactures.
So scooters, electric bikes, motorcycles are always under some sort of pressure not to build a vehicle that can go too fast, but seems like there's no such restriction for cars. I found this kind of interesting.. | underlined bit is just funny. the fastest production car top speed is 342kph... lol over 400.
as for the bolded bit, only electric bikes are speed limited afaik. there are plent of scooters that can go over 70kph. ie. any 250 or 400cc scooter can easily.
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There are highways in North America with no speed limits ...
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Originally Posted by Raid3n underlined bit is just funny. the fastest production car top speed is 342kph... lol over 400.
as for the bolded bit, only electric bikes are speed limited afaik. there are plent of scooters that can go over 70kph. ie. any 250 or 400cc scooter can easily. | I meant like 50cc scooters, ones that does not require class 6 (motorcycle) license. Mopeds and scooters | |
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Originally Posted by Jmac There are highways in North America with no speed limits ... | If you're thinking of I-90 through Montana.. sorry dude, but that changed years ago. I drove it in the "responsible and prudent" days but that was back in the 90's. The posted limit has been 80 MPH since I believe 1999?
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Forget the limiter they should just install a printer. Every time you go over the speed limit it spits out a ticket. Just think of all the money the government would make.
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero a great point..maybe 10 years ago. Youre thinking limiter purely from a hardware perspective
GPS/google maps is so common, i don't forsee it being difficult/costly to adjust limiter accordingly | So you're proposing that the limiter is variable and controlled from outside the car? Eff that.
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