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you cant just ban anyone the FBI ever investigates from owning a gun. theyve probably investigated millions of people whove never gone on to commit any crime.

TJ pretty much sums up my sentiments on the issues

Its funny how mainstream media won't say anything about the bombing that took place in Syria the same day as this shooting. Which killed innocent children and families just before they broke their fast for the day.

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Originally Posted by vitaminG (Post 8763437)

you cant just ban anyone the FBI ever investigates from owning a gun. theyve probably investigated millions of people whove never gone on to commit any crime.

Ya but when you are not allowed to board a plane you should not be able to buy a gun.

More info on the killer:

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Homicidal homophobe used to hang at Orlando gay hotspot, some regulars recall
Alexander Panetta, The Canadian Press

ORLANDO, United States — Omar Mateen was more than just a homicidal, jihadist-inspired homophobe when he shot his way through an Orlando nightclub early Sunday morning, according to a couple of the establishment regulars.

He was also a repeat visitor.

A drag-dancing married couple described seeing Mateen as many as a dozen times at the gay-friendly nightclub where he'd later embark on the single worst gun massacre in modern American history.

Ty Smith and Chris Callen recalled the eventual killer being escorted drunk from the Pulse bar on multiple occasions, including one incident where he pointed a knife at a friend.

Both professed shock at seeing his face on TV: "It's the same guy," said Callen, who performs under the name Kristina McLaughlin. "He's been going to this bar for at least three years."

They expressed incredulity at the story being told by Mateen's father in the wake of the shooting, that the gunman had once been scandalized during a visit to Miami by the sight of men kissing each other.

They say Mateen saw plenty of men kiss — and far closer to home than Miami.

"That's bullcrap, right there. No offence. That's straight-up crap. He's been around us," Smith said Monday in an interview at the GLBT Community Center of Central Florida.

"Some of those people did a little more than (kiss) outside the bar.... He was partying with the people who supposedly drove him to do this?"

Smith said the sometimes-visitor would show up with a buddy and let loose in a way he couldn't when he was closer to the family home in Port St. Lucie: "(He'd get) really, really drunk... He couldn't drink when he was at home — around his wife, or family. His father was really strict... He used to bitch about it."

Neither Smith nor Callen would speculate on the sex life of the man who called police from inside the club early Sunday to profess his allegiance to a Middle East militant leader as he gunned down at least 49 people in cold blood.

But they expressed doubt over the version conveyed by Mateen's Afghan-born father.

The Daily Beast also reported Monday that the gunman frequently lunched at a diner where the waiter was an openly gay high-school classmate and drag queen. That classmate, Samuel King, said Mateen was friendly; voiced no issues with gays; and might even have gone to see a drag show once or twice.

In separate interviews, both Callen and Smith described one incident that unnerved them.

They said they decided to keep their distance from Mateen after he exploded in anger at a joke told by one of their friends, possibly about religion: "He ended up pulling a knife," Callen said.

"He said if he ever messed with him again, you know how it'll turn out."
Now they're grappling with the shock of losing close friends. Pulse was like a second home to the couple after they moved from Indiana, and found new acceptance in Florida's more socially liberal climate.

Like several people interviewed Monday, they took exception to media descriptions of Pulse as a gay bar. Yes, they said, it has a predominantly gay clientele, but it catered to everyone.

Callen said he wished he had a place like that when he was an 18-year-old in Indiana. The place was so tolerant they even let him perform when he moved here four years ago and was far from ready for prime time.
"I was a hot mess," he said.

"And I grew to the queen that I am today... Straight people would come in. Couples. They would get up there and dance. They'd get birthday shots," he said.

"(It's a) place where you could come out. Just be you. To love who you are... That's what Pulse taught us."

The weekend's violent acts are spurring other signs of rapprochement between the city's communities.

A sign outside Orlando's LGBT centre warns that people should expect a security search of their bags upon entering. But visitors Monday overwhelmingly had acts of kindness on their mind.

Officials there said the loading area was filled with supplies people had dropped off, such as bottled water for families awaiting news about their loved ones.

One organizer said 200 people had responded to calls for grief counsellors. So many showed up that they had to create a database to keep track.
Rob Domenico said straight and gay people were lining up for hours to donate blood, in spite of U.S. restrictions on blood donations from men who have had sex with a man in the previous year.

"It's a tragedy," Domenico said.

"But it's wonderful to see a real community come together. Gay, straight... It's just a wonderful thing."

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Originally Posted by fsy82 (Post 8763447)

i'm not going to go out of my way to pretend i feel anything for either event, however what happened in florida is far more relative to me personally than the events of a war-torn 3rd world country.

Audio interview
Muslim scholar Kevin Barrett: we are living among people that are too stupid to live, no critical thought left, shootings false flag.
PressTV- ?Blackwater mercs carried out Orlando op?

pretty detailed timeline of the final couple hours. watched the snapchat video mentioned in the article too, about 20 shots in steady succession, almost like a beat.. pretty chilling

RIP :(

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.be35bf69c530

Listening to CBC news and they said the gunman frequented the night club over the past year and was kicked out more than once for being to intoxicated. Perhaps a closeted homosexual?

They also said that it is believed possible that some victims may have been kill during the exchange of gunfire with police, but won't know for certain until autopsies are complete.

Truly heartbreaking..
RIP to all involved..

Orlando attack: Omar Mateen's second wife tells FBI she tried to talk gunman out of attack | Americas | News | The Independent

Apparently the shooter's second wife knew about the attack and did not tell the police. She dropped him off at Pulse night club so he could scope it out and was with him when he bought ammo. She says she tried to talk him out of the attack.

The article also mentioned that he visited Disney World the day before the amusement park was set to have its Gay Day event.

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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys (Post 8763540)

he frequented gay bars for years, and used apps like grindr, or so i hear from anderson cooper, and today his first wife, said that that was a part of his life he wanted kept private, and she didn't elaborate more on his homosexuality

There may be peaceful Muslims but there is no peaceful islam.

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Originally Posted by vitaminG (Post 8763437)

you cant just ban anyone the FBI ever investigates from owning a gun. theyve probably investigated millions of people whove never gone on to commit any crime.

You could probably make it take longer than 10 minutes to get that gun though.........

america is all about being Xtreme.

on one end you have the regressive left, on the other you have self/society hating crazies.
and everyone else in between.

So this county in Alabama is refusing to lower their flags to half staff

Alabama county refuses to lower flags to honor Orlando victims - NY Daily News

Also, the shooter apparently has a gay porn stash on his computer

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 8764591)

Also, the shooter apparently has a gay porn stash on his computer

tsch. rookiest of moves.

wouldn't expect anything else from some counties in those southern states

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Originally Posted by Mancini (Post 8764419)

There may be peaceful Muslims but there is no peaceful islam.

The definition of the religion is Peace. Do your homework. All these fanatics that are giving a bad name to Islam don't even account for 1% of the billion following the religion

Armoured Skeptic gives a Canadian viewpoint on the shooting which I also agree with.

It frustrates me to know end how the Regressive Left refuses to even mention an anti-gay religion in Islam as a motive.
http://i68.tinypic.com/2uzxl77.jpg

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Originally Posted by ziggyx (Post 8763672)

wow...I am surprised they didn't throw the book at her

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayerthorpe_tragedy
2 guys who drove a crazie dude that ambushed and killed four RCMP officer were charged, and pleaded guilty to a "lesser" charge of manslaughter and sentenced to 12 & 15 years in prison....despite them claiming they have no knowledge of the attack.

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Originally Posted by westopher (Post 8764420)

You could probably make it take longer than 10 minutes to get that gun though.........

It's not as clear cut as that.

Every time someone in the United States goes through the process of purchasing a firearm, the store has to submit a request for a federal background check in order to transfer the firearm, called the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (or NICS). If a buyer has a record that would make him or her ineligible to purchase the firearm, the application is rejected and may be appealed after a set amount of time. (This is why calls for universal background checks in the United States are moot, because they already do check.) NICS in it's current form has rejected hundreds of thousands of requests based on findings that could endanger the public.

What the system down there actually needs is a revision to the NICS that accounts for serious incidents where the buyer was not tried/formally found guilty of a crime that would make him or her ineligible to purchase a firearm, such as being investigated by the FBI of all things. Such a finding would reject the application until it could be revisited manually by a human. That being said, there are times when an application is delayed because of such problems, but it can't catch every one all of the time.

Instead people are fighting for things that would either not make a difference, or have already been instituted but looked over because of a lack of knowledge (such as basic background checks). If people keep being exposed to the media spouting off about things they know little about, I could not seriously expect the public to be aware of something like the NICS anyway.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

Getting your hands on a machine gun ("assault" rifle) is a completely different ball game, but seeing as one wasn't used here, it's not worth getting into.

France has some of the toughest gun laws in Europe that would make Michael Moore hard and the Bataclan shooting still happened.

Although I believe assault weapons should be banned in the States its not the guns that are killing people, its the ideology.

This guy hated himself for being gay, then you mix Islam into the situation and its easy to connect the dots.

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Originally Posted by Eastwood (Post 8764875)

France has some of the toughest gun laws in Europe that would make Michael Moore hard and the Bataclan shooting still happened.

That was one shooting.

US for 2016 so far.

Home 2016

Total Number of Incidents 24,288
Number of Deaths1 6,232
Number of Injuries1 12,762
Number of Children (age 0-11)
Killed/Injured1 263
Number of Teens (age 12-17)
Killed/Injured1 1,336
Mass Shooting2 145
Officer Involved Incident
Officer Shot/Killed2 148
Officer Involved Incident
Perpetrator Shot/Killed2 377
Home Invasion2 1,016
Defensive Use2 743
Accidental Shooting2 1,075

Gun Violence Archive

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8765107)

Hey I think the US should have tougher gun laws. Theres more factors at play here than gun laws.

Boston Bombers and the airport explosion in Belgium last year that killed 75 people come to mind.

If terrorists want to attack people, they're going to find ways to kill people.