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On a related note I'm not sure if anyone remembers that couple from North Van who OD'd awhile back but there was new information that came out. They weren't just casual users. The guy was an addict. Started off with pain meds from an construction accident and turned into an addiction. Percs and Oxy's. He had been to treatment and yet still was a user. Sad when something simple like a back injury turns into a life changing ailment. Especially when it's the doctors who are the pimps in the situation and keep prescribing to people who are clearly addicted.
my wife told me a stat the other day....there was an OD in vancouver ever 5 mins after welfare checks last week
one guy OD'd 10 times in 24 hrs
When funding for social workers gets slashed back that much, addicts and mentally ill people have nobody to turn to / count on for help. I'm not saying social programs can eliminate addiction problems, but I do believe it has a measurable effect in reducing the numbers to a certain extent.
ER visits are known to be extremely expensive. And what ends up happening right now is, the money that is saved from cutting back on social programs are nowhere nearly enough to make up for the costs of these people hitting ER on a repeated basis. In the end, it ends up costing the province more money, and the healthcare system gets overloaded as well.
ER visits are known to be extremely expensive. And what ends up happening right now is, the money that is saved from cutting back on social programs are nowhere nearly enough to make up for the costs of these people hitting ER on a repeated basis. In the end, it ends up costing the province more money, and the healthcare system gets overloaded as well.
Exactly why Insite needs to exist. It ends up saving more money on healthcare costs for these pieces of shit.
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It's not always addicts.... one day a kid you know will be at a party and someone will give that kid drugs laced with whatever.......... dead the first time.
That's what's scary about this. Kids are dumb. Hell, even adults are dumb.
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Keep in mind opiates don't kill you directly. Opiates affect the nervous system; causing you to not to breathe. Narcan blocks the opiate receptors in you brain. Thus "waking" you up. However, Narcan has a half life of roughly 20-30 mins. Heroin, Fentanyl, and now Carfentanyl last in the body much longer.
If you want to save an opiate patient, you breathe for them. Make sure they have enough oxygen.
Majority of the attention is focused on the users in DT east side and in Surrey Whalley area. The user's here are mostly harden users. There are also lots of resources available there. Shelters all now have Narcan, oxygen, and bag valve mask (bag thing that a person squeezes to push air into somebody's lungs). Also, there are extra ambulance/fire staff working.
These users know the risk. These guys OD multiple times. It is not something new.
The scary part is the depressant drugs (Fentanyl and Carfentanyl) are now appearing in non depressant drugs. Cocaine, Meth, MDMA. Most recreational users do not have the tolerance. They go down quick and hard.
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Maybe we should follow in philiphine hard on drugs approach. If you are caught selling that shit you get a bullet in your head. Anyone can kill you and is not against the law to do so.
Let's be honest here. The gov have no way stop Fentanyl from coming into Canada. Hiring more security staff, giving the affected medical care is an endless pit. You can spend 100^9999 trillion dollars and it won't stop anything. The only want is to get tough. Is tough but what can we do.
My wife is a nurse and for some of there procedures they use fentanyl, because of what's going on the majority are really paranoid something will happen to them. I had a co worker die to it around a year ago(was mixed with coke) wasn't a hardcore drug addict. Only way accidental overdoses will dramatically reduce is if the government regulates them rather than criminalizes them. I'm sure some would be paranoid that the government is giving them something evil but would be a lot safer if the impurities are removed and people had a better idea of how much to take because the drug purity would remain constant.
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I assume that means you're a paramedic. Honestly, how do you guys do it?
I saw the video and you save one, he goes out and gets another fix, OD again, and you bring him back. It seems the health care system is really stressed and overloaded.
I saw the video and you save one, he goes out and gets another fix, OD again, and you bring him back. It seems the health care system is really stressed and overloaded.
Even as a casual observer (and regular citizen, obviously), that was such a frustrating sight to see. On one hand, I am sympathetic to the fact that these guys probably couldn't help themselves. And yet on the other hand, you know they are knowingly doing this to themselves, with the result that regular citizens are footing the bill for their lack of responsibility.
I assume that means you're a paramedic. Honestly, how do you guys do it?
I saw the video and you save one, he goes out and gets another fix, OD again, and you bring him back. It seems the health care system is really stressed and overloaded.
Its really tough and frustrating for the paramedics working in the downtown east side. Its a huge crisis over there and giving people narcan kits isnt a permanent solution but rather it gives them false confidence that they're safe and in fact, it actually encourages them to inject more frequently leading to more OD's. They start relying on others to narcan them but what happens when no one is around? For example, many in-sites are always full and these guys are so impatient that they start injecting in the main lobby and eventually backing up into the streets/alleys/public washrooms with no supervision and they OD. Also, with the narcan kits, some ppl carrying them wont even call for help because they think they're "doctors" but yet they dont know that narcan is excreted quickly.
In addition, these guys still believe that they're buying heroin but the truth is that 99.9% its fentanyl and maybe even carfentenil plus everything is laced with fentanyl now such as cocaine, crystal meth, and even marijuana. Maybe if we can start providing these guys with what they want instead of throwing out narcan kits and opening more in-sites, it'll prevent a lot of trips to the ER because this way they will know what they're taking as well as their tolerance.
I just can't help but feeling really unconcerned about this whole Fentanyl thing myself.
I mean I don't like hearing about people OD'ing and dying, especially the "casual" users, but at the same time I'm so far removed from even knowing any "casual" users in my life that I just can't get into caring about it too much.
This will sound callous, but this seems like a problem that will eventually fix itself....
I just can't help but feeling really unconcerned about this whole Fentanyl thing myself.
I mean I don't like hearing about people OD'ing and dying, especially the "casual" users, but at the same time I'm so far removed from even knowing any "casual" users in my life that I just can't get into caring about it too much.
This will sound callous, but this seems like a problem that will eventually fix itself....
I'm kind of with you there, but this situation, or crisis if you want to call it that, has really brought to the forefront how many recreational drug users there are in this province.
That's the scary thing - relatives, colleagues, clients - people who seem to be regular people in control of their lives are using drugs.
the bi-products to make Fentynal are not regulated in china as they are in Canada, therefor 3rd party producers can create Fentynal and ship it outside of China
Fentynal and Heroin are both Opiates, they arent passed off for one another, you're just getting an opiate either way, the strength is what is different.
Just a minor thing. Heroin is an opiate but Fentanyl is not. Heroin and Fentanyl are opioids.
Maybe we should follow in philiphine hard on drugs approach. If you are caught selling that shit you get a bullet in your head. Anyone can kill you and is not against the law to do so.
Let's be honest here. The gov have no way stop Fentanyl from coming into Canada. Hiring more security staff, giving the affected medical care is an endless pit. You can spend 100^9999 trillion dollars and it won't stop anything. The only want is to get tough. Is tough but what can we do.
Except the tough approach hasn't been shown to work. Just look the US and their war on drugs.
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I just can't help but feeling really unconcerned about this whole Fentanyl thing myself.
I mean I don't like hearing about people OD'ing and dying, especially the "casual" users, but at the same time I'm so far removed from even knowing any "casual" users in my life that I just can't get into caring about it too much.
This will sound callous, but this seems like a problem that will eventually fix itself....
It does affect you though even if its indirectly. It is our tax money and social resources that goes into dealing with the addicts.
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