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Old 08-15-2016, 06:18 PM   #26
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That sounds like a really screwed up system, do the paralegals know you're not Albertan? Try calling up the RCMP in Alberta and see what they tell you, you're not the first non-Albertan to get a ticket. I have a hard time believing you'd have to waste your time and the courts time when they don't have jurisdiction on your license anyways.

On a side note, this sort of thing is what cruise control is very handy for.
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On a side note, this sort of thing is what cruise control is very handy for.[/QUOTE]


On another side note....you can set the cruise control for 63 k over the limit too....
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On another side note....you can set the cruise control for 63 k over the limit too....
No you cant.

Atleast not in my car. Cruise control won't set at speeds more than ~140km/h
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I talked to a couple people at ICBC today and they said it cannot affect my BC license unless it's a DUI. Not 100% sure what I will do, I was expecting to pay $500 (which I have) but there's no way I could pay $2300. I'll contact some lawyers here as well.
Could be worse. If an Albertan did the same in BC, we take their car and make them hoof it back over the Rockies. And back again to get their car in a week.
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Atleast not in my car. Cruise control won't set at speeds more than ~140km/h
You can set it for 93 in a 30 or 113 in a 50 though...
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On another side note....you can set the cruise control for 63 k over the limit too....
True, but it eliminates "accidentally" speeding, especially in a big vehicle or something you're not used to driving.
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Happened to a buddy a few yrs ago, also coming back from chasing summer.
He got a friend that's local in Alberta to go to court on his behalf and the ticket was thrown out.
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Happened to a buddy a few yrs ago, also coming back from chasing summer.
He got a friend that's local in Alberta to go to court on his behalf and the ticket was thrown out.
Alot of people were ticketed this year after chasing summer... on my way back i saw like 6-8 cars pulled over in banff
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I don't know why people speed in Alberta...

Oh wait, I do. Speed enforcement doesn't work:

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How do you propose to try and slow people down then?
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Just because the number of tickets increased doesn't mean it's not working. Increase in population, police resources/quotas etc. can also affect those numbers. If you believe that the number of people who speed tripled in a span of 4 years, you're an idiot.
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Did the population triple in three years?

No, they've reduced the thresholds for tickets. Clearly it's not discouraging people from speeding.
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Did the population triple in three years?

No, they've reduced the thresholds for tickets. Clearly it's not discouraging people from speeding.
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Did the population triple in three years?

No, they've reduced the thresholds for tickets. Clearly it's not discouraging people from speeding.
Looks to me, from that chart you posted, the threshold hasn't changed a bit in the those three years.

If they used unmarked vehicles to set up the photo radar, the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn from that chart is that people seem to have increased their speeds when they think that no one is watching over those 3 years.
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The number of tickets for 6-10 over increased by 26 times. Someone fiddled with the "take picture at" speed...
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Or maybe, because it was already taking pictures of speeders at 6-10km/hr over the limit, 26 times more people decided to increase their speed to 6-10km/hr over the speed limit in areas where there was photo radar.

Or maybe they decided to have 26 times more photo radar enforcement areas.

But definitely not playing with the settings otherwise that first number would be 0.
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But definitely not playing with the settings otherwise that first number would be 0.
I understand the point you're trying to make, but you don't know where in that 6-10 over bracket the lower limit is set.

It could be that it was previously set at 9 over and they moved it down to 6 over.

This is much more likely than the idea that suddenly 26 times more people were speeding up.
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Police themselves seldom stop people for going less than 10k over the limit...unless it is in places like school or construction zones. Police often write tickets for lower speeds than actually involved to give drivers a break...that may account for the extremely low numbers when EPS alone were writing. Police often give drivers a very high level of tolerance...I had no problem finding a never-ending source of 20K+ speeders every shift and ignored lower ones most times. Once the city gets involved the numbers may reflect the actual numbers of speeders actually doing under 10k. The photo and laser/radar (?????) tickets sound like machines took the pictures and issued tickets for the actual speeds involved. Police often use discretion...a machine operates the way it has been programmed. The machine is also on duty 100% of the time...Police are not. This alone might represent an apples vs oranges number count. Just my 2 cents worth.
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^Good to know. I'll still be setting my cruise control at 1kph below the limit, esp if a cop is around
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OP, I've never once heard of a ticket in AB where they base it on two cameras, or by check marks for that matter. This isn't a standard way to ticket for speeding AB, and it would not hold up IMO. I would fight it for sure. If they "saw" your car at one place, and then "saw" it at another... they likely didn't get your plate, and it would be pretty easy to argue they "saw" different cars. I mean it could be from airplane patrols, but again, I have not seen those in use for years. Request disclosure on the ticket so you can see exactly how they came up with it.

Photo cameras in AB are setup as units on the side of the road... they pick up your speed as you pass, and then snap a photo. The good thing about those tickets is they are cash only. Because they don't know who is actually driving, the cannot give you demerits or punish you any other way. It just goes to the registered owner of the car and that is it. The only other traffic enforcement cameras only trigger if you run a red light.

To be honest, from the sounds of it... he never actually got your speed. He is "estimating it" based on how fast he had to speed to catch you or some bull shit. These so called "estimated" tickets get shot down easily. When you get the disclosure, if this is the case, go plead it directly with the JP (justice of the peace, they are available at kiosks at the court building) and just insist there is no way you were going that fast... it will either be tossed, or a massive massive reduction.

If you miss your court date in October (if it is a mandatory one), they will issue a warrant for your arrest. It is only for AB, so as long as you never ever come back, you are fine. If you do, and you get stopped by the police... they will toss you in jail. If you are on a plane that lands in AB, they will grab you and will toss you in jail the second they run your info. I know this because I had a friend that skirted a serious ticket court date, and then 2 years later when he came back from a vacation in Mexico they grabbed him in front of his family and threw him in jail. I don't know if they can send collection after you, they might.

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No, they've reduced the thresholds for tickets. Clearly it's not discouraging people from speeding.
Just in the middle of moving back from AB to BC, I can shed some light on this

Basically, in Alberta, they use ticket revenue to fund the police. In Calgary for instance, about 2 or 3 weeks ago, the CPS announced they were going to hire 50 new cops, and pay for them only with ticket revenue. The clowns at city council of course approved this unanimously.

The city council furthers this agenda by intentionally creating conditions throughout the city where speeds are artificially deflated so that motorists will get tickets, and create revenue. It has nothing to do with safety or getting people to slow down. What it has done is made a good 20% of the drivers putter around at 10 under the limit for fear of getting a ticket (keep in mind AB has private insurance... so your 800$ a year policy jumps massively if you get a ticket).

Finally, to keep the money flowing, the police in AB are on ticket quotas. If they don't hand out a minimum number of tickets, it can actually negatively affect their career path. Officially, they deny such a system, mainly because it would represent a huge conflict of interest and violate public trust, but talk to anybody with friends and family in the police service and they will confirm it.

It is a stupid and frustrating situation. It has gotten so bad in Edmonton that apparently 1 in 5 drivers now get a ticket every year. They have cameras everywhere, even doing 10 over is grounds for tickets. Rumor is they have recently reduced the threshold for photo tickets in the Edmonton area to just 6km over the limit now. I can pretty much confirm that in Calgary it is still at least 10 over.

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What a wonderful way to wage revoloution against the Man...and screw over city hall. Obey the traffic laws and all those Cops get fired because of no ticket money.. and you can drive as badly and illegally as you want. Just a thought
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Yeah it doesn't work that way

If you are a traffic cop, and your job is dependent on fine revenue, and then you also have the pressure of a ticket quota that could impact your career... you just fine people for whatever you can think of. For instance, they run road blocks for tint pretty regularly. You pull up, if they see your side window is tinted... you get a fine. Actually, they really like this because they can write you two fines... one for each side. Hence why it is a massive conflict of interest and not really doing anything for public safety.

I actually have zero problems with people following the rules and not speeding around like idiots

What I do have a problem with is when city hall decides to go against recommendations from qualified sources and instead artificially deflate speeds, or bring in new bylaws in an attempt to try and force motorists into breaking the law.

One example is the city has been moving towards lowering all non-major road speeds to 30km in the city. Sunnyside is the target community, they have a ton of people pushing hard to get this done. They even have a website;
30 For Sunnyside

EDIT: This article just came out from CBC... speed of the road depends on which way you are travelling, lol
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