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ziggyx · 09-22-2016, 11:32 PM

The problem with today's world is that there is the image of being green and actually being green.... I'm sure there are people who are actually trying to be green but there are probably more idiots who just have the "image or idea" of being green.

A quick example I can think off the top of my head is buying an electric car. The amount of emissions created to build the car, keep the car charged (if you're running off a fossil fueled energy grid), scrapping the car, the batteries which need to be built and properly exposed of, etc. the list goes on... Not to mention some people will probably say "oh man my electric car is kinda old, time to get a new one or it's not the latest model"

People need to understand that you need to look at the overall footprint and I doubt Robertson did any actual consultation from the sounds of it.

SkinnyPupp · 09-23-2016, 12:39 AM

I know everyone is mad, and this is a very aggressive bill if it actually reads out the way the headlines put it.

But the fact is, we HAVE to stop relying on fossil fuels. Like we LITERALLY HAVE TO STOP NOW. If we don't, the planet will barely be habitable to future generations. And not 1000 years from now - more like 100 years.

Only if drastic measures - like this bill - are taken, will we be able to slow down (not stop, too late for that) the earth turning into an unlivable hell hole. And EVERYONE has to do this, not just Vancouver, not just Canada... Everyone.

I know it's not convenient. That doesn't matter, it's too late for things to be convenient.

SkinnyPupp · 09-23-2016, 12:45 AM

Also don't believe the bullshit about electric cars being "just as bad for the environment" as combustion engines. I don't even know why people believe that line.

Even if you live somewhere that burns coal for electricity, the amount it takes to go the same distance in an electric car is miniscule compared to combustion engines.

And it's not like these batteries are just being thrown in the dump once they're no longer usable in these cars. They can be recycled many times over - even if not useful in a car, they can be useful elsewhere. I think eventually practically every house will have batteries taken from old electric cars.

stewie · 09-23-2016, 05:18 AM

Moonbeam's a fucking twat

Seems like all he want's is his name everywhere and to be remembered since this will probably be on the radio all over the place in other provinces and maybe even a few states.

Great68 · 09-23-2016, 06:47 AM

The one nice thing about these crazy initiatives is that the next mayor can just squash them.

Hondaracer · 09-23-2016, 06:54 AM

I'd have a lot less of a problem with "going green" if we didn't pander to every single special interest group against renewable and "clean" resources.

The site C dam, a 30 year project in argubely the cleanest form of renewable energy takes 30 fucking years to get through. Then once construction starts you let special interest groups, native bands who don't even have a claim to the land, yuppies, etc. protest and prolong the construction

If we don't want to build dams then what should we build? We don't want to build pipelines to sell our fossil fuels so in turn you can't turn a profit to provide funds for "carbon offsets"

Nuclear?

No one knows wtf they want. All these Kyoto accords and climate action plans seemingly do nothing. Major industrial centers pump more and more shit out every year as he "clean" countries demand for consumer goods continues to rise.

Hope your kids kids have enough dough for a rocket ride to the next planet

Mr.HappySilp · 09-23-2016, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I know everyone is mad, and this is a very aggressive bill if it actually reads out the way the headlines put it.

But the fact is, we HAVE to stop relying on fossil fuels. Like we LITERALLY HAVE TO STOP NOW. If we don't, the planet will barely be habitable to future generations. And not 1000 years from now - more like 100 years.

Only if drastic measures - like this bill - are taken, will we be able to slow down (not stop, too late for that) the earth turning into an unlivable hell hole. And EVERYONE has to do this, not just Vancouver, not just Canada... Everyone.

I know it's not convenient. That doesn't matter, it's too late for things to be convenient.

Right so how about those country that pollute the worse starts cleaning about their country first. Also if the gov want people to move away be more clean energy then maybe they should pay for the bill then. Because you know everyone can suddenly just comes up with thousand of dollars out of thin air.

SkinnyPupp · 09-23-2016, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Right so how about those country that pollute the worse starts cleaning about their country first.

That's a good question... Who knows, what can you do to make these countries stop destroying the planet? Maybe it'll come down to trade embargoes or something? Either way the world is fucked if nothing is done.

yray · 09-23-2016, 07:42 AM

^you better do your part of "no natural gas" by not using taxis and mini bus

I can see a class action lawsuit

if vancouver decides to go ahead.

sonick · 09-23-2016, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nabatron

70% reduction in natural gas in 3 years this guy is fucking retarded....I swear people in power just come up with the most unrealistic shit possible.

I see it everyday with my upper management at work. My boss has a meeting with his boss, boss asks him how are we going to get from some odd millions to some odd more millions? My boss says well in 3 years we will want to go from making 60mill a year to over 100mill...I sit there with all other managers in fucking disgust and lol. We ask how the fuck are we going to do that? Boss says don't worry about the product you are selling just sell yourself and they will buy. This is his fucking plan....Im guessing moonbeam and my boss went to the same idiot school of business...

sorry for the rant but just had to vent at my frustrations with people in power who shouldn't be and get rewarded for stupidity...end rant!

Goals like these are set exceptionally high, so that people have a higher target to aim for. Better to set an absurd goal of 70% reduction and fail by only hitting a 30% reduction, than to set a realistic goal of 20% and succeed.

SkinnyPupp · 09-23-2016, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by yray

^you better do your part of "no natural gas" by not using taxis and mini bus

I can see a class action lawsuit

if vancouver decides to go ahead.

If they start replacing them with electric vehicles then absolutely I will!

I look forward to the day where single passenger cars are replaced by self driving shared fleets. Aside from the environment (which honestly I don't care that much about since it's fucked no matter what I do), having an automated car pick me up instead of relying on some lazy idiot minibus driver driving right by because he's too lazy to stop for one person and would rather just fill up at the next busy stop, would be a huge life improvement.

MG1 · 09-23-2016, 08:52 AM

Well, I'm doing my part. I'm in an electric drive vehicle as we speak. Funny thing is, I notice a lot more pollutin cars now. Like this older modded out Porsche I followed the other day. Loud as hell and spewing shit out its tailpipes. Hilarious, as I just smoked him (pun intended) off the line with no sound at all. He wasn't a happy camper. All noise, no go.

I love it when drivers go into an empty lane next to me only to get their asses handed to them. Acceleration on EV vehicles are amazing. I go to the 7 Eleven on Knight that has a Petro Canada gas station on the premises and I chuckle a little each time I see someone spending close to 75 bucks per fill.

6o4__boi · 09-23-2016, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

That's a good question... Who knows, what can you do to make these countries stop destroying the planet? Maybe it'll come down to trade embargoes or something? Either way the world is fucked if nothing is done.

Stop reproducing faster than vermins for one.

Hondaracer · 09-23-2016, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MG1

Well, I'm doing my part. I'm in an electric drive vehicle as we speak. Funny thing is, I notice a lot more pollutin cars now. Like this older modded out Porsche I followed the other day. Loud as hell and spewing shit out its tailpipes. Hilarious, as I just smoked him (pun intended) off the line with no sound at all. He wasn't a happy camper. All noise, no go.

I love it when drivers go into an empty lane next to me only to get their asses handed to them. Acceleration on EV vehicles are amazing. I go to the 7 Eleven on Knight that has a Petro Canada gas station on the premises and I chuckle a little each time I see someone spending close to 75 bucks per fill.

There's no way there's any where close to the polluting vehicles there were in he 90's early 2000's

Everyone now a days seemingly has a car that is under 5-6 years old. Air care and gas prices seemingly took care of all the gas guzzling polluters most of us grew up driving

Traum · 09-23-2016, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer

There's no way there's any where close to the polluting vehicles there were in he 90's early 2000's

Everyone now a days seemingly has a car that is under 5-6 years old. Air care and gas prices seemingly took care of all the gas guzzling polluters most of us grew up driving

Given the number and frequency of gray smoke spewing vehicles I come across on the road, I am not at all convinced that most of the dirty polluters have been taken out of service. Tour buses and VW TDI cars, in particular, are frequently the worse mobile smoke puffers I see.

I would also add that when someone does a cat delete on their cars, that also turns the car into a gross polluter.

Bouncing Bettys · 09-23-2016, 09:43 AM

The rest of the province, beyond the GVRD, is full of Coal Rollers who use their lifted trucks to spew black smoke at anyone environmentally-minded and intentionally park in front of charging stations to prevent access. How do you even attempt to convince them?

SkunkWorks · 09-23-2016, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys

The rest of the province, beyond the GVRD, is full of Coal Rollers who use their lifted trucks to spew black smoke at anyone environmentally-minded and intentionally park in front of charging stations to prevent access. How do you even attempt to convince them?

By keeping your head in the sand towards the bigger issues. Obviously.

melloman · 09-23-2016, 10:56 AM

Saw this on the news and heard it on the radio yesterday.
Minute I got home and put on the 11 o'clock news, showed the gf and said "Property taxes, and now this, is why we will NEVER live in the city of Vancouver.

Go Burnaby!

Also, during that news report, Moonbeam went on to say "how are we going to combat rising sea levels?" Meaning this fucktwat is going to start planning on combating rising tides too, get ready to get anally-butt raped Vancouver residents, cuz raising those sea walls AINT GONNA BE CHEAP.

Ch28 · 09-23-2016, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68

The one nice thing about these crazy initiatives is that the next mayor can just squash them.

Except the problem is that nobody in Vancouver actually goes to vote him out.

Nlkko · 09-23-2016, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I know everyone is mad, and this is a very aggressive bill if it actually reads out the way the headlines put it.

But the fact is, we HAVE to stop relying on fossil fuels. Like we LITERALLY HAVE TO STOP NOW. If we don't, the planet will barely be habitable to future generations. And not 1000 years from now - more like 100 years.

Only if drastic measures - like this bill - are taken, will we be able to slow down (not stop, too late for that) the earth turning into an unlivable hell hole. And EVERYONE has to do this, not just Vancouver, not just Canada... Everyone.

I know it's not convenient. That doesn't matter, it's too late for things to be convenient.

While I understand and 100% support environmental friendly behavior changes such as offering incentive to electric vehicle users and even establishing more bike route, this natural gas bill is wrong on so many levels. It is not behavior change. It just makes one alternative impossible to get (natural gas heating for example) and forcing existing owners to spend more to change to electric alternative. Not to mention electric heating is extremely inefficient and thus costly. You can sport an argument for EV vehicles as the way they generate energy are super efficient compare to ICE vehicles.

They should make electric baseboard heating cheaper, or find a reasonable alternative. Not a fuck you, fuck that and fuck off bill.

6o4__boi · 09-23-2016, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nlkko

Not a fuck you, fuck that and fuck off bill.

That's the BC Special

underscore · 09-23-2016, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys

The rest of the province, beyond the GVRD, is full of Coal Rollers who use their lifted trucks to spew black smoke at anyone environmentally-minded and intentionally park in front of charging stations to prevent access. How do you even attempt to convince them?

have you ever left the GVRD?

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Also don't believe the bullshit about electric cars being "just as bad for the environment" as combustion engines. I don't even know why people believe that line.

Are you aware of the process required to acquire the materials and actually make the batteries? Granted they are getting better at it, but it's still a dirty business.

SkinnyPupp · 09-23-2016, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nlkko

While I understand and 100% support environmental friendly behavior changes such as offering incentive to electric vehicle users and even establishing more bike route, this natural gas bill is wrong on so many levels. It is not behavior change. It just makes one alternative impossible to get (natural gas heating for example) and forcing existing owners to spend more to change to electric alternative. Not to mention electric heating is extremely inefficient and thus costly. You can sport an argument for EV vehicles as the way they generate energy are super efficient compare to ICE vehicles.

They should make electric baseboard heating cheaper, or find a reasonable alternative. Not a fuck you, fuck that and fuck off bill.

I get it, this is the most aggressive bill I've seen in while. Especially since it's directly to regular citizens, not corporations.

I'm just saying that by the time the target year is reached, people should already be thinking that it's insane to burn gas for heat, and opt for any other option. Maybe we will, who knows.

But I can see that being forced into it with no incentives makes people mad, based on the reaction to this thread and my post

Manic! · 09-23-2016, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I get it, this is the most aggressive bill I've seen in while. Especially since it's directly to regular citizens, not corporations.

I'm just saying that by the time the target year is reached, people should already be thinking that it's insane to burn gas for heat, and opt for any other option. Maybe we will, who knows.

But I can see that being forced into it with no incentives makes people mad, based on the reaction to this thread and my post

We should just go back to burning wood.

Mr.HappySilp · 09-25-2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MG1

Well, I'm doing my part. I'm in an electric drive vehicle as we speak. Funny thing is, I notice a lot more pollutin cars now. Like this older modded out Porsche I followed the other day. Loud as hell and spewing shit out its tailpipes. Hilarious, as I just smoked him (pun intended) off the line with no sound at all. He wasn't a happy camper. All noise, no go.

I love it when drivers go into an empty lane next to me only to get their asses handed to them. Acceleration on EV vehicles are amazing. I go to the 7 Eleven on Knight that has a Petro Canada gas station on the premises and I chuckle a little each time I see someone spending close to 75 bucks per fill.

Have you look at the process of how electric is produce VS regular car. The process to produce an electric vehicle could cause more pollution than a regular so you aren't doing the planet much for a favor. What about the charging stations do they need more pollution when building them VS gas station. How about when electric vehicle when they need their battery replace how's the recyeling process? Will the battery cause more harm?

I think these are all questions needs to be answer first before everyone said electric car are better for our planet and is clean energy.