Moonbeam's Natural Gas Ban Plans Bateman: Vision Vancouver?s natural-gas ban costly for residents | The Province Quote:
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I dunno how else to put it, but I fxxking hate Moonbeam's guts. :yuno: My main takeaways from this idiocy is: - 70% reduction in natural gas use by 2020 -- that's right -- in 3+ years - 90% reduction in 10 years - upfront conversion costs from gas systems will be in the thousands for typical home owners - on-going costs on energy bill will be $1400 higher per year I dunno about anyone else, but I definitely can't cough up "several thousands" all of a sudden in 3 short years, never mind the higher on-going costs afterwards... Can we fxxking kick this guy out of City Hall already? |
LOL Vancouver. |
lol thing is, young Vancouverites don't have the balls to go out there and vote inb4 50% turnout and Moonbeam is in for another term iirc, last municipal election it was around ~40% - ~55% (?) turnout and majority were seniors who shudder and faint at the mention of change. |
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IMO, the situation is still not too late. Just because the strategic plan is passed doesn't mean it will get enacted yet. If there is enough backlash from the public, no elected politician will dare to press through. Time to write up some angry letters and diu9 this fxxking idiot and his lackeys. |
so does he expect all restaurant's to switch their stoves from NG to electric as well? This guy is a fucken nut case and I'm so happy I don't live in Vancouver and got out of the GVRD two weeks ago as well. |
*sigh* oh well...i did my part voting NPA and trying to out as many vision parksboard members as possible i wonder how they're going to police this in to effect. mandate by a certain date to retrofit your home or have the gas cut straight up? maybe we can heat our homes but burning furniture, books, and newspapers like in the movies |
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heating the home is overrated anyways i'll just wear my Patagonia jacket that has ethically-plucked feathers :troll: |
70% reduction in natural gas in 3 years this guy is fucking retarded....I swear people in power just come up with the most unrealistic shit possible. I see it everyday with my upper management at work. My boss has a meeting with his boss, boss asks him how are we going to get from some odd millions to some odd more millions? My boss says well in 3 years we will want to go from making 60mill a year to over 100mill...I sit there with all other managers in fucking disgust and lol. We ask how the fuck are we going to do that? Boss says don't worry about the product you are selling just sell yourself and they will buy. This is his fucking plan....Im guessing moonbeam and my boss went to the same idiot school of business... sorry for the rant but just had to vent at my frustrations with people in power who shouldn't be and get rewarded for stupidity...end rant! |
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He should get thorium as a nuclear power source up at full capacity before eliminating NG if he really wants green |
great.. just as i'm planning all my reno's around gas appliances in order to avoid installing a 200w service panel... |
We have a fucking moron here, who is loaded and made shit ton of money from real estate making policies. He clearly doesn't give a fuck about affordability. To him, it's all about the image of being a renewable city. |
Electricity for heating/sterilization :lawl: Heat pumps are good for some stuff, but you can only do so much with 50°C water and the life-cycles are short. If we had electric boilers at the hospital, it would cost us (taxpayers) a fortune. |
Is there not another politician that can beat this tree-hugging cunt? |
my guess is he probably has a company or stock in one that specializes in electric appliances, or for retrofitting from gas to electric. |
I might be wrong, but isn't electric heat horrifically inefficient compared to gas? I'm not sure what that translates to when you consider the whole loop (from where it's generated til it heats your water/house) but I have a hard time believing this whole thing is "green" when thousands of people will have to scrap perfectly good stoves, water tanks and heaters, then buy brand new ones that wouldn't have otherwise been built. Then on top of that I imagine the electric service for the entire city will have to be overhauled as I doubt whatever is currently in place has been built with enough of a buffer to handle swapping every btu currently being generated by gas to electric. Which means a lot of people and machines working, a lot of traffic delays and detours causing idling cars, etc. |
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Heat pumps generally have a maximum condenser water output somewhere between 50°C and 60°C, so you're limited in terms of what you can do unless your existing infrastructure was designed for those temperatures. The other issue with running your heat pumps at high temperatures is that it increases the head pressure of your compressors, which decreases efficiency and lifespan. If you have, for example, a building in which you have the majority of your space heating done by air handling units and reheat coils designed for 80°C water and want to retrofit your building to use 50°C supplied from a heat pump with exhaust heat recovery, you'd have to add additional coils into the supply duct work and air handling units, which means more piping and larger pumps. You'd need heat recovery coils in the exhaust system to recover heat. If you use water in those coils, you can get down to about 5°C or you can use a glycol mixture, which is less efficient, to drop your evaporator water below 0°C. Those extra coils increase resistance (decrease efficiency) in the duct work and increase duct pressure, so you'll have to run your fans at a higher rate (consuming more electricity) and may have to upgrade your duct work if the existing duct work can't handle the increased static pressure. |
I suspect I am being naive, but if you think this is a totally dumba$$ plan, I urge you to write to your local politician -- including but not limited to Moonbeam -- to tell him in his face how stupid this plan is. With enough noise, the plan can eventually get scrapped. But if we don't make noise, the crooks in the office will think everything is A-OK. |
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i don't mind electric heating...but gas is cheap... and who is going to change the existing systems of their homes just cuz? they gonna do it for free? :lol |
vancouver is like a high end hooker... you need to pay to live(play)... and it aint cheap. |
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I've written complaints to city hall, and just received a form letter that didn't even state that they would take my issue into consideration; rather, that their plan was carefully thought out. Unfortunately for us all, you are being naďve =( |
City of Vancouver clarifies its position on natural gas in new buildings - British Columbia - CBC News having a timpo moment...so it's not a ban for existing buildings? only a plan to eliminate it in new builds? |
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