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previously privileged people (i.e. undereducated white males) are getting left behind in the new socio-economic order. Instead of looking to themselves and figuring out how to survive in a rapidly changing world, they're taking the easy way out and blaming immigrants.
I agree with some of the comments above, racism has always existed here in Vancouver. I've grown up with it, the only thing different over the past couple of years is that more of it is captured and shared via social media. Those who were never aware of it happening before are just now seeing it or being made aware of it.
IMO, it's just less common now because those of us who started as minorities eventually became the majority. I came around the mid-80s and there were maybe 3-4 Asian kids in the classroom. In a span of 4-5 years, Asians were taking over the classroom.
IMO, it's just less common now because those of us who started as minorities eventually became the majority. I came around the mid-80s and there were maybe 3-4 Asian kids in the classroom. In a span of 4-5 years, Asians were taking over the classroom.
But apparently the "taking over" is the issue to the racists.
Canada is still hanging on to being a mosaic rather than a melting pot like the US. Here we tend to embrace differences rather than make others wave the stars and stripes.
That's a good way to look at and to be honest, I prefer a mosaic rather than a melting pot. I know many will disagree and think assimilation should be the goal. I think there is a fine line between assimilation and maintaining one's cultural identity. Minorities have fought hard and long to be recognized and accepted in Western society and to throw all that away just to say we are all one in the same is counterproductive (from a minority perspective). We should be able to embrace individual cultural identity as THAT is what I believe is the Canadian identity.
It's probably going to become more common going forward, at least for the next little while. The backlash against "immigrants" (or really, non-white people) is happening all over Europe and the United States. It's not hard to see why - previously privileged people (i.e. undereducated white males) are getting left behind in the new socio-economic order. Instead of looking to themselves and figuring out how to survive in a rapidly changing world, they're taking the easy way out and blaming immigrants.
I would like to point out that the level of hate and prejudice is more prevalent in societies that are:
A. Lower socio-economic background
B. Societies where the people just never left their hometowns and never explored other parts of the world
Hell, go to a predominantly poor black neighborhood, you will encounter folks who will be just as a prejudice as much as folks in poor white neighborhoods. And from my experience from traveling and living in other countries, any area that is predominantly poor, I actually expect such treatment - especially if I look different. Why ? It's their turf and I'm the outsider. Me being in their turf is already considered a threat to them. They have nothing left but their pride and my presence in their area can be interpreted as a disrespect to them.
I have to be with someone who is of their neighborhood to be relatively accepted or make it known that "hey I know it's your area, I'm just a guest, I mean no disprespect"...
In the end, I've grown a thick skin about it. As a minority in a white society, you have to.
I would like to point out that the level of hate and prejudice is more prevalent in societies that are:
A. Lower socio-economic background
B. Societies where the people just never left their hometowns and never explored other parts of the world
Hell, go to a predominantly poor black neighborhood, you will encounter folks who will be just as a prejudice as much as folks in poor white neighborhoods. And from my experience from traveling and living in other countries, any area that is predominantly poor, I actually expect such treatment - especially if I look different. Why ? It's their turf and I'm the outsider. Me being in their turf is already considered a threat to them. They have nothing left but their pride and my presence in their area can be interpreted as a disrespect to them.
I have to be with someone who is of their neighborhood to be relatively accepted or make it known that "hey I know it's your area, I'm just a guest, I mean no disprespect"...
In the end, I've grown a thick skin about it. As a minority in a white society, you have to.
I felt that kind of vibe from the locals when I visited Berlin a couple weeks back.
I felt that kind of vibe from the locals when I visited Berlin a couple weeks back.
Really? I was just in Berlin last month (my 2nd visit) and I've never had an issue with being Asian there. I suppose mostly stick around Mitte/Kreuzberg/Freidrichshain, but found it multicultural af. Did you venture out to the suburbs or something?
I felt that kind of vibe from the locals when I visited Berlin a couple weeks back.
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Really? I was just in Berlin last month (my 2nd visit) and I've never had an issue with being Asian there. I suppose mostly stick around Mitte/Kreuzberg/Freidrichshain, but found it multicultural af. Did you venture out to the suburbs or something?
I lived in Berlin for a year in 2010. The only time I had a problem was when I was having lunch on the patio with my gf at the time and two teenage kids walked by and said "ching chong ling long" to me. Sadly, I didn't have a come back. My gf who grew up there she asked if I was okay. Most Germans today are super sensitive to race and xenophobia. To bring some context into why that maybe WW2 is a continuous 8 year subject and is taught starting form grade school. They are taught the mistakes they made and to be ashamed of their history. I took history 11 here in summer school many moons ago and WW2 was a one day subject lol.
I would like to point out that the level of hate and prejudice is more prevalent in societies that are:
A. Lower socio-economic background
B. Societies where the people just never left their hometowns and never explored other parts of the world
Well, that's sort of the point I was making.
These people, like the Trump supporters or this guy in the video, are poorer today than they were maybe 30-40 years ago. Having money solves a lot of problems.
The problem with many places in the Western world today is globalization has left underskilled and undereducated people without jobs and without prospects for a decent life. If you have a decent job, you tend to want other things like a spouse, maybe some kids, and a house. If you have these things, you tend to have fewer reasons to lash out at minorities. Underskilled and under-educated men have felt the brunt of all of the changes.
I would have put finger across face under the nose, held my hand up and say, "Ya vol herr kommandant! Heil Hitler!" a la Hogan's Heroes, lol.
Okay, maybe not the Heil Hitler part, but the hand and finger salute would get the message across, me thinks.
Probably get me arrested, though.
Lol. At the time I was more shocked than anything. In hindsight I don't know if I'd react differently. While I was hurt by the kids comment but am I really going to try and teach these kids a lesson? How many times have we seen crying babies torturing their parents?
I recently met this blue collared gentleman who seems to be about my dad's age. I'm 33. He has a 25 year old. He seems like the calm, hardworking type who isn't too proud to do anything to put his two kids through uni. He told me when he went to Brit there was a lot of Racism. Most things he shook off, put his head down and kept working. One exception is when biggots called him a "fucking chinaman." He'd get into fist fights.
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I recently met this blue collared gentleman who seems to be about my dad's age. I'm 33. He has a 25 year old. He seems like the calm, hardworking type who isn't too proud to do anything to put his two kids through uni. He told me when he went to Brit there was a lot of Racism. Most things he shook off, put his head down and kept working. One exception is when biggots called him a "fucking chinaman." He'd get into fist fights.
Good ol' Brit.......... high school my school, lol. When I was there, the population was maybe just over half Chinese, and the rest, Italian. We all got along and even called each other all kinds of names. Grade 8 was an eye opener, though, coming from an elementary school that was 97+/-% Chinese. Those Eyetalian girls........... mama mia!
By the time grade 9 rolled around, it was all good. Realized then, people are people no matter what their background. The only people that didn't mingle with others were the FOB's, because they didn't fit in anywhere. Kind of felt sorry for them, but they didn't try all that hard, either.
I often wAnder what it would have been like if the demographics were a little different one way or another.
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There's less racism seen in BC because people are scared. You say something stupid to the wrong brown or asian person your going to get the sh/t kicked out of you or worse.
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Really? I was just in Berlin last month (my 2nd visit) and I've never had an issue with being Asian there. I suppose mostly stick around Mitte/Kreuzberg/Freidrichshain, but found it multicultural af. Did you venture out to the suburbs or something?
Actually I was around those areas as well. Compared to other cities on my trip London, Amsterdam, Bordeaux, and Paris. Berlin felt a little more closed off. Still had fun though.
There's less racism seen in BC because people are scared. You say something stupid to the wrong brown or asian person your going to get the sh/t kicked out of you or worse.
Have you ever considered that I don't say racist things because it's hurtful and ignorant, and not because I'm afraid that gulululemon's 6' tall mainlander buddy is going to fight me. Not all folks are intimidated by the threat of physical violence. There are a great many individuals who don't spout hatred, simply because we're not hateful people. Prejudice goes both ways.
One thing with this thread is that it's brought out RS own levels of passive aggressive racism. Some of you are just as bad as the guy in the video. In fact, some of you are worse than him. At least with the guy in the video, we know where he stands. But some of you put on a good face at meets and events, but harbour deep seeded prejudice that comes out in these threads. Now you're affecting my trust, and that's far worse than someone calling me a gwailo to my face.
Have you ever considered that I don't say racist things because it's hurtful and ignorant, and not because I'm afraid that gulululemon's 6' tall mainlander buddy is going to fight me. Not all folks are intimidated by the threat of physical violence. There are a great many individuals who don't spout hatred, simply because we're not hateful people. Prejudice goes both ways.
One thing with this thread is that it's brought out RS own levels of passive aggressive racism. Some of you are just as bad as the guy in the video. In fact, some of you are worse than him. At least with the guy in the video, we know where he stands. But some of you put on a good face at meets and events, but harbour deep seeded prejudice that comes out in these threads. Now you're affecting my trust, and that's far worse than someone calling me a gwailo to my face.
There is a reason why people are doping off kkk flyers in the middle of the night in B.C.
There's less racism seen in BC because people are scared. You say something stupid to the wrong brown or asian person your going to get the sh/t kicked out of you or worse.
Is this what Justin Trudeau means when he speaks of strength through diversity? Doesn't sound very harmonious.
I didn't get a chance to watch the video but here's my thoughts on this subject.
What's the best way to get a rise out of someone? Obviously if they are of a different ethnic background than you the easiest way is to insult their race. When you have nothing else to attack, race is the easiest.
I didn't get a chance to watch the video but here's my thoughts on this subject.
What's the best way to get a rise out of someone? Obviously if they are of a different ethnic background than you the easiest way is to insult their race. When you have nothing else to attack, race is the easiest.
Berz out.
I see what you're implying but how does one defend themselves from these bullies/racists? I can see no better way than filming it.
Our culture has taught us all from an early age that only whites can be racist.
I'm a member of a public speaking skills group, Toastmasters, and we have a member that does weekly speeches on racism. She speaks on how racism affects her life and all our members know she is referring to white people every time.
Whenever I hear her speak I roll my eyes but I know I society can't let me disagree as all I can do is clap and congratulate her on her courage or else I'm racist.
What I have been taught about racism in the West is that it is a one way street - always caused by whites. One day I would like to find some of these racist white people, but unfortunately they're pretty rare which is exactly the opposite of what our media tells us.
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