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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8799438)

Far too often, I see judges handing out sentences that are too lenient (IMO) for the crime that has been committed. And then afterwards, paroles are often granted too early.

An example I can readily think of is Kelly Ellard in the Reena Virk murder. Ellard was given an automatic life sentence with no parole eligibility for 7 years. Ellard has obviously been denied of parole right now, but had she been on good behaviour in prison, 7 years or a bit more might be all she needed to serve. And then I ask myself -- are you fxxking kidding me? Only 7 years for brutally murdering someone?

Shes actually pregnant right now with a baby from a guy in another prison. They were allowed conjugal visits. Now THAT is fucked up.

Berz out.

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Originally Posted by Galactic_Phantom (Post 8799752)

They're only going for 2nd degree probably because it would be hard for Crown to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the murder was the goal.

Yah I get that but...

How do we know that when he was only arrested a day or two ago? How much time has the Police or Crown had to gather evidence or determine motive? Has an autopsy even been done yet?

At the end of the day I don't think I really care which of the two he is charged with as long as he gets the maximum sentence. But it seems to me like Crown is just afraid of doing a little work here and getting their hands dirty. It's not a far stretch that with his knife in his hand and the attack he made without provocation, that 1st degree murder is more than likely what occurred than 2nd degree.

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Originally Posted by Berzerker (Post 8799771)

Shes actually pregnant right now with a baby from a guy in another prison. They were allowed conjugal visits. Now THAT is fucked up.

Berz out.

That's gonna be one evil baby.

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Originally Posted by Berzerker (Post 8799771)

Shes actually pregnant right now with a baby from a guy in another prison. They were allowed conjugal visits. Now THAT is fucked up.

Berz out.

Just what the world needs

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Originally Posted by Berzerker (Post 8799771)

Shes actually pregnant right now with a baby from a guy in another prison. They were allowed conjugal visits. Now THAT is fucked up.

Berz out.

Yeah, and it boggles my mind that this is happening. I can only FailFish when I think of what the prospects / role models are for the baby as he grows up.

For the time being, the baby will stay with mommy. But I wonder how soon social service / foster childcare will kick in to take over. And even then, I would still say the outlooks are not good.

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8799938)

Poor baby, never stood a chance from the get go.

I dont understand, after reading what all happened this month in the article and having sympathy for the lost of a family. The person who died was actually pregnant?

^^ Kelly Ellard -- the Reena Virk murderer -- is pregnant while she is serving her prison term. The young victim from the Abby school stabbing is obviously not pregnant.

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Originally Posted by parm104 (Post 8799785)

I'm not sure exactly how it works, but can't Crown lay a 2nd degree for now and opt to change to first degree if they found further evidence?

I get it is easy for us to say that it was planned and deliberate, but the police and Crown would have to back track and find hard, factual evidence of the planning and deliberate before he committed the act. If the evidence found is weak, the first degree charge will get thrown out regardless. Look at the Pickton case for example, all that evidence and investigation and still, many of his first degrees got rejected for 2nds.

I have limited knowledge in criminal law but from things i've seen and read before, it's pretty damn hard to convict anyone of 1st degree.
Hell, even convicting someone of 2nd is pretty hard.