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Nevertheless, I don't think this is the ultimate revolution as far as retail goes, but rather, cease the need to go into the store all together. This just puts us one step closer.
Amazon's same day delivery in SF is actually really amazing. I can order something and it shows up even before I have to leave work.
I haven't tried Echo yet but from what my friends tell me all they do is say "Hey Alexa order me ...."
I understand efficiency and the speed of it... but why are we creating this world where you never have to interact with any other humans? I've enjoyed countless banter or being told about offers or cool products with cashiers at a variety of stores or places. Sure most of them are just in and out and they hate their life but those gems here and there make it worth it in my opinion.
Nevermind it's yet another basic job being eliminated, what's anyone supposed to do for work in the future?
Depends on types of purchases. Many times I prefer the interpersonal "in-store" experience since there are some things that a computer just cant replicate. I think good, knowledgeable and friendly staff will many times overtake ecommerce except in instances where main priority is price or convenience. Question is how do you fulfill/replicate those other needs?
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Thrifty Foods, Save-On-Foods and others offer online shopping with delivery for groceries.
I still much prefer going to the store in person.
I tried this and it was awkward... I had to find someone to "release" the groceries for me. Once we found my order everything was reviewed in the shopping cart and the person (who from what it appeared like was hitting on me) was insisting on helping me bring it to my car which I had to refuse several times "Nah I'm good, no thanks I got it, its ok I'm good". But they're still perfecting it so I only see it getting better with time. I'm sure the delivery to your home feature is great.
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Depends on types of purchases. Many times I prefer the interpersonal "in-store" experience since there are some things that a computer just cant replicate. I think good, knowledgeable and friendly staff will many times overtake ecommerce except in instances where main priority is price or convenience. Question is how do you fulfill/replicate those other needs?
I tried this and it was awkward... I had to find someone to "release" the groceries for me. Once we found my order everything was reviewed in the shopping cart and the person (who from what it appeared like was hitting on me) was insisting on helping me bring it to my car which I had to refuse several times "Nah I'm good, no thanks I got it, its ok I'm good". But they're still perfecting it so I only see it getting better with time. I'm sure the delivery to your home feature is great.
For me I'd rather cruise down aisles stocked with product than mindlessly clicking through shit in front of a computer screen. The grocery store is directly on my drive home and I get my stuff immediately.
I save my mindlessly clicking through shit time for work and Revscene.
For me I'd rather cruise down aisles stocked with product than mindlessly clicking through shit in front of a computer screen. The grocery store is directly on my drive home and I get my stuff immediately.
I save my mindlessly clicking through shit time for work and Revscene.
Wait until you have kids. That 1+hr you spend in the supermarket where you have to constantly put stuff your kids grab back and the goddamn evil candies by the cashier that make your kids cry if you don't let them have one, is... let's just say not a part I enjoy about parenthood.
Not to mention that the same shopping trip can be done within 20min if I was without kids.
As for walking the isle discovering stuff, VR would actually solve this problem. All that store browsing experience in the comfort of home in undies.
Wait until you have kids. That 1+hr you spend in the supermarket where you have to constantly put stuff your kids grab back and the goddamn evil candies by the cashier that make your kids cry if you don't let them have one, is... let's just say not a part I enjoy about parenthood.
Not to mention that the same shopping trip can be done within 20min if I was without kids.
As for walking the isle discovering stuff, VR would actually solve this problem. All that store browsing experience in the comfort of home in undies.
Your kids learn life experience and get socialized in these situations, they don't learn anything about society sitting at home while you online order everything.
Do you honestly think that's what's going to happen though? It's a very utopian view, I can only wish that's the direction this is eventually headed in and I personally have voice my opinion before on how the capitalist system we live in is, by and large, utter bullshit... but I think it's going to be much more of a dystopia with only a few people controlling everything in the world and an underground revolution of sorts starting up. I don't really think anyone actually in a position of power envisions anything even remotely hippy with any of this nor do they want to see humanity freed up to do other things... If anything we are looking at the starting points of the eventual elimination of large sects of the human population.
Some might argue it's also a portion of a process of separating us from each other, take away interaction and no one communicates directly anymore and it's much harder to organize against things you don't like or realize that others feel the same way you do.
Do I think we'll get there? Eventually, for sure. We pretty much HAVE to, IMO. If we get more Elon Musks in the world, we'll head towards my "utopian" Star Trek future. More Hilary Clintons though, and we'll be in Mad Max eventually (or maybe The Matrix )
The thing about a universal income is that rich people can still get fucking rich if they want. People will still "want things" and having guaranteed income doesn't necessarily mean everyone will just sit around playing call of duty and smoking weed all day. Only the ones that are already doing that, who don't give a shit about money one way or another.
I work for a major retail chain and, based on interactions over the years, I'm not sure this sort of application would work until there's a major shift in how consumers act. It may be a generation or a racial thing (or perhaps a mixture of both) but cash is still king for a lot of people. Hell, I still use cash myself for many purchases because my debit card wears out quickly and I have a habit of leaving my phone at home or the hotel.
Consumers also have a terrible habit of not putting products back where they found them. In Amazon's pilot store, I'm sure things work more or less fine. But it's not just kids who pick up random items, decide later they don't want them, and then drop them where ever they happen to be standing. Adults are notorious for this. Go into any store and I'm sure you'll find random shit dropped along the selves. This sort of system wont detect these kind of item drops and you can bet your ass there will be a million complaints about people being charged for items they didn't take home with them.
The biggest thing I have, though, is the cost of implementation. I currently run projects for my company (new store openings, relocations and renovations) and the budgets for those are already pretty tight. Anywhere from $500,000 for a small store renovation up to $5 Million for a full sized new store opening. These costs include major things like trades people, millwork, fixtures, temporary stocking crews, and the like. For a small boutique store, incorporating all of these new sensors and cameras to cover shelves is likely already going to be a major portion of an expense. Translating that into a large store with over 10,000 separate skus like the ones I normally deal with would be astronomical. And then converting that into the over 300 locations in Canada alone? Goodbye profits for the next decade.
Also, I encounter customers all over the place who still don't know how their chip card works, despite it being in wide use for many years now. I would have no hope at all for those people if companies started shifting into this sort of selling practice.
We will eventually get there but not if 99% of the wealth is owned by 2% or less of the population. Having a UBI in this state of affairs is as likely as "trickle down" economy or promising everyone will eventually live in a mansion in Malibu.
You talk about utopian Star Trek future.. but in their canon basically the period we are living in got wiped out (ST First Contact) before they came to the senses.. my money is that will have to happen first. In that case, having a few Elon Musks won't matter.
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Do I think we'll get there? Eventually, for sure. We pretty much HAVE to, IMO. If we get more Elon Musks in the world, we'll head towards my "utopian" Star Trek future. More Hilary Clintons though, and we'll be in Mad Max eventually (or maybe The Matrix )
The thing about a universal income is that rich people can still get fucking rich if they want. People will still "want things" and having guaranteed income doesn't necessarily mean everyone will just sit around playing call of duty and smoking weed all day. Only the ones that are already doing that, who don't give a shit about money one way or another.
I think the point is they will learn socializing in some other manner.. school, after school programs, free range parenting etc.
The trend is for online shopping to increase. heck Amazon is complaining they can't find large enough warehouse in lower mainland for their facilities.. The size they want for 1 warehouse is more than double of what we have available.
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Your kids learn life experience and get socialized in these situations, they don't learn anything about society sitting at home while you online order everything.
I think that's the #1 thing that drove me nuts about this last election cycle, coming from an IT background.
I haven't heard a single legitimate politician even speak about technology and its role in removing jobs in the near future. Technology is slowly going to remove more Service industry related jobs, next it will move to transportation (which I may add employs something like a third of Americans), eventually it will also move to us office folks in our jobs as well, it is inevitable.
What is our plan here? You hear some folks say "Oh ya, well people will be educated to service and fix the machines". Do you really think so? I doubt it. The education system is FAR too behind to educate the lower class for these types of jobs, and let's be real here, these automated machines will need a fraction of human bodies to service and keep them running anyways.
So what's our plan? I'm a big proponent of the guaranteed wage idea, but given how Socialism has become such a dirty word in America, I don't ever see that passing.
I think that's the #1 thing that drove me nuts about this last election cycle, coming from an IT background.
I haven't heard a single legitimate politician even speak about technology and its role in removing jobs in the near future. Technology is slowly going to remove more Service industry related jobs, next it will move to transportation (which I may add employs something like a third of Americans), eventually it will also move to us office folks in our jobs as well, it is inevitable.
What is our plan here? You hear some folks say "Oh ya, well people will be educated to service and fix the machines". Do you really think so? I doubt it. The education system is FAR too behind to educate the lower class for these types of jobs, and let's be real here, these automated machines will need a fraction of human bodies to service and keep them running anyways.
So what's our plan? I'm a big proponent of the guaranteed wage idea, but given how Socialism has become such a dirty word in America, I don't ever see that passing.
they were focused more about the pipelines and bringing back jobs to Alberta , seems like they were trying to fix what was broken, rather than advancing what is growing in the tech industry.
edit: meaning... they will get more votes talking about bringing jobs back etc etc.
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You guys keep talking about "low class" or "entry level" jobs that are in danger, but legitimate occupations like Flight Engineer or even Web Designers are becoming obsolete. You don't need Flight Engineer to fly a 747 anymore, and people can just use WIX instead of hiring a web designer.
Same as in medical industry, I heard X-Ray Technician(or something?) is becoming obsolete due to improved technology.
As for the argument of how the numbers of jobs won't change because they will just hire maintenance technician for those automated machines, but there's no guarantee that maintenance technicians can't be automated too.
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Have you guys seen the new show on Netflix call 3%. Seems like this might happen. The poor will stay on earth where they are to suffer/die of disease and basically barely surive. They have no luxury items IE cell phones, tablets, TVs, computers, cars.
The top 3% gets to live in utopia where they don't have to worry about life, there are no suffering no disease. But to make it there you have to be really smart or rich or have power.
Maybe this happen to us in the future? Poor are made to suffer and no chance to get out of the cycle while rich have everything. Since the army will all be robots control by the rich the poor will never win in war to take life better for them.
Not X Ray tech but Radiologists, ie MDs who specialise in looking / analyzing images for their colleagues.. that field / need just disappeared after 2005. X ray machines / MRI scanners are just getting simplier to use and no need for training.. also with apps like Watson who can see things better than humans can.
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Same as in medical industry, I heard X-Ray Technician(or something?) is becoming obsolete due to improved technology.
Depends on installation.. that's why the most "future proof" jobs are always clergy and plumbers because houses especially in Western world are still mostly custom. One of the places I often stay in Europe is 300+ years old... It has just been updated / redone every few decades. Robots for the foreseeable future needs to have their environment "defined" for them.
I can deploy more robots in the U.S., sure, but it can take months to train them whereas humans can be taught in a few hours.
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As for the argument of how the numbers of jobs won't change because they will just hire maintenance technician for those automated machines, but there's no guarantee that maintenance technicians can't be automated too.
All these 'basic jobs' need to be eliminated in order for us to move onto better things.
We need to replace practically every service with robots, give everyone a guaranteed wage, and set humanity free to do things other than banter about offers and cool products.
Artisanal services would still exist, only it will be people who really want to do them (because they'd be getting paid anyway) so service would be so much better in every way. And you'd still get that human interaction - again with people who actually want to live that kind of lifestyle (and there are plenty that do)
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