Crews rescue out-of-bounds skiers stranded overnight on Cypress Mountain
 

Crews rescue out-of-bounds skiers stranded overnight on Cypress Mountain | CTV Vancouver News

It really pisses me off that these people aren't legally required to pay for the costs of the rescue. I understand that if people had to pay, then they would be reluctant to call for help and could lead to negative outcomes. But this is just a waste of resources and puts rescuers' lives at risk.

I always thought (maybe hoped) that they were liable for rescue costs.. especially when they explicitly go out of bounds on private property

I don't think they charge because they worry that people won't call if in trouble for fear of getting a bill. I could be wrong, but that would make sense to me.

that's stupid

why can't they make it so that if they were out of bounds, they have to pay unless they had a legitimate excuse for going out of bounds?

Every year we get these jackasses who think they're the shit going off bounds and then wasting resources having their dumb asses plucked from near death. If you're dumb enough not to call for help when your life's in danger because you're worried about costs, you're dumb enough to be taken out of the gene pool.

Stories like this come up multiple times in any given winter, and every time it happens, it upsets me tremendously.

I understand people want to tackle the back country, how they enjoy nature, and how they want virgin snow and fresh powders, etc. And I would say I am not at all against that. But the problem is, people seem to do this without without seriously considering, or more critically, facing and shouldering up to the consequences when shxt hits the fan.

I'll be the first to say that if someone go lost, stranded, or buried because they ventured out of bounds, and ended up dying from it, I'd have little sympathy for them. They knowingly and consciously chose to engage in an activity that carries a known risk, and have been warned against doing, and yet they still proceeded to do it. So if shxt happens, I'd say people need to live up to the consequences.

Realistically, I think the rescue team should make these victims pay for the full costs of the rescue operations along with a small profit / penalty on top. There are both financial costs and human risks involved in conducting a search and rescue operation. It is only fair that those who get rescued from going out of bounds pay financially. Otherwise, they would be paying with their lives, and money is a lot cheaper than lives.

Fuck these guys putting rescuers lives at risk. SwiftRage

This ain't their first time going out of bounds. They've been out of bounds before. Time to ban them from local mountains. Want fresh pow? Spend some money and go heli-skiing you cheap fucks.

Skiers rescued after being left in the cold overnight on Cypress Mountain - NEWS 1130

lol reminds me of going out on a "closed run" at cypress many years ago...

The run was open the years before...double black, very few people use it, awesome deep powder. They closed it that year and we decided to try to go thru it anyway. (It had a rope blocking and a "run closed" sign)

After about 5 mins....we kinda realize it was too dangerous and no way of seeing what's ahead (very deep snow, hidden rock and cliff drops, plus it was night time). We took off our snowboard and spent 30 mins+ climbing back up

In the end...it was like a cheap lesson for us to learn not to go out of bound..
any un-monitored runs have a lot of hidden hazard you simply cannot see... (10ft drops, rocks, snow pile thick enough to bury you once you stop moving..etc)

Back in the late 90's we were blessed with 1000+cm at Seymour on a regular basis.
One sunny December afternoon my friend and I decided to hike out of bounds to a known spot where the Seymour Kids would hang out and session jumps. So we hiked for about 20 mins and found the spot. After being there for about an hour, the weather started to roll in. We decided it would be wise to hike back, but the problem with Seymour is that once the weather starts rolling in, you can't see a damn thing. We were still about 10 minutes from the in bounds area, and now couldn't see where we were going.

Long story short, I was able to hear the clacking of the chair in the distance, and we followed the sound until we got to an area that we finally recognized. It was a terrifying thought, that we could have been stuck out there. But we were lucky enough to get out on our own. Shit happens, and no one who stumbles out of bounds is ever expecting to be rescued. But I learned my lesson one time. These jackasses seem to be using NSSR as their personal concierge out of the bush. Maybe that's why they let them spend the night outside.....

I'm always confused as to why everyone complains about people skiing out of bounds and being rescued by S&R. I'm failing to see how it's any different from any other outdoor activity that might leave you needing S&R.

That said, if the same people are making the same mistakes repeatedly then perhaps fines need to be involved (regardless of the activity).

NSR should start a gofundme campaign 24hr prior to every rescue. :D

You better hope you have rich friends and families. :troll:

If even the elderly get charged 80$ for an ambulance, sure enough these fools should pay too.

If the bill turns away callers, so be it. They clearly dont value their lives.

everyone always likes to point at skiers going out of bounds as the people who should be chaged for SAR. Theres over 1300 SAR callouts per year in BC, and Im sure more than half of them are in the summer. How many times do we hear about people being hurt and needing to be air lifted out, while on a hike, on a marked hiking trail, in the summer?


I agree that if you willfully do something illegal and need SAR, you should be responsible. but quite often "out of bounds" on a ski hill, is out side of the ski hill property boundary, and that technically isnt illegal as you are leaving private property and entering public crown land. do you draw the line at "willfully" putting yourself in danger vs having an accident? is breaking your leg on an off trail hike in the summer willful endangerment or an accident? what about an accident while 4x4ing on marked roads?


edit: maybe there should be some kind of SAR insurance you could purchase.

They don't charge because then people will be reluctant to call. If you don't call immediately, you might get more lost trying to find your way out, wait till dark to call, or call friends/family who could also end up lost. Any of those things would make an eventual rescue more difficult and/or dangerous.

Sar is generally volunteer and funded by donations and grants.

Getting lost here is nothing, especially in the summer when you could wait for daylight and hike back towards the city and eventually if you hiked south find humanity.

I've only been close to being lost once while out hunting in the kootneys, literally thousands of hectares of indistinguishable land. I took a shot at a deer and tried to track it and get another shot. Before I knew it I was turned around and it was dark in about 2' of snow. Anyone who hunts knows it's very hard to hear a gunshot in dense forest/snow. Luckily I saw the flashlight of a partner about 45 minutes later but even for someone prepared like myself there were definitely moments of terror lol

Not trying to be hard just sharing a story :p

Okay hold on. I am good friends with some of the people who volunteer with NSSAR, and I have helped previously, when I can with whatever I can (dispatch, coordination, etc.), I worked for Cypress mountain for 6 years back in highschool and a little after, so I have worked closely with these guys many times.

They will be the first ones to tell you they won't ever charge for their service. They take donations graciously, but they will never charge someone they rescue money. Otherwise people will simply not call them, and the last thing they want is for someone to die when they could have helped them.

Keep in mind NSSAR crew are all volunteers, these guys do this because they just want to help, and they know that if they start charging people they rescue, it will affect the amount of people they can help.

Not only are they volunteers, these guys pay for all their own gear as well, sure they get discounts at many great places, however their packs, which are filled with thousands of dollars worth of stuff is mostly paid for through their own pockets.

In addition to that the commitment they make is remarkable, stories of members who have had to leave friends or family functions when their cell phone rings are a normal occurrence, or taking off from work middle of the day because they have to attend a call. These guys make a commitment to drop whatever they are doing when they are on call, to report if there is an emergency. Again they do this because they JUST WANT TO HELP.

It's pretty unfair for you guys to try to speak for these members, who I know if they could, would openly tell all of you how vehemently they oppose charging people they rescue.

Believe me I don't disagree, people who get lost or go out of bounds without knowing what they are doing, or in conditions which exist now, are incredibly irresponsible. But forcing them to pay I don't think is a reasonable expectation, otherwise it will result in a lot more missing people on our mountains not being rescued until it is much too late.

I'd say the biggest difference between skiiers like this incident here and other outdoor activities that might require S&R is -- with skiiers, the rescue window is a lot smaller (due to temperatures and environmental conditions), and the rescue itself is often far more dangerous and difficult (for the rescuers).

Again this is all good to be able to stand on the sidelines and say, but condemning someone to death is a very difficult stance to take when you are in the position that NS SAR is.

In 2007 around closing a car was noticed in the cypress mountain parking lot, it was covered in snow, it had been there all day long, Cypress crews scoured the chalet area, rentals, and all over the trails, within 25 minutes we knew it was time to call NSSAR and start a search.

A large contingent of our Ski Patrollers who had already worked 8+ hours on a very busy day, as well as cypress employees who had been there all day, and NSSAR coordinated an effort which late that night located the bodies of two young men.

It was an absolutely debilitating feeling, one which I hope most never have or do experience in their lifetime. Now take that feeling and multiply it by 100 knowing that you didn't do everything in your capability to save that husband, brother, son, loved one, etc. In all honesty, I'd probably kill myself.

You guys are talking about human life in here very nonchalantly, but guaranteed when put in a position, making a decision of money vs human life, most of you I hope wouldn't pick the money...

EDIT: and one other thing, these mountains are notorious for deaths and problems, because people simply don't know what they are getting themselves into. Many times the people can be experienced back country skiers and riders, but never having ridden in an area such as the NS mountains, and a lack of geographical knowledge and planning gets them into problems.

The main problem is that people stupidly believe that if they continue going down they can get back to either a road, or a escape route, when that's totally not what happens, people continue to hike down and they get into deep ravines or gully's and then they can't climb back up even if they wanted to. It's unforgiving terrain, and unless you really know the area, no amount of experience will keep you out of danger.

If you think your life is in danger and you're unwilling to call because you're worried about a bill being charged to you then you deserve to be left out there.

One last note from me, if you guys feel so strongly about this, I really urge you to reach into your own pockets, and donate a little.

Home - North Shore Rescue ? Vancouver Search and Rescue Team - North Shore Rescue is a volunteer run search and rescue team operating in Vancouver and surrounding areas.

NS SAR are heroes. They should have a user fee, if anything, to cover their equipment, and a nice dinner after every shift. Health care is just as much of an essential service and I pay $150 every month. If these idiots can afford a day at Cypress, these are not people living on social assistance, they can afford to pay.

As a general rule, they should drop an overnight kit and leave all idiots (who go OB intentionally) there till the next morning. Hopefully, they learn their lesson.

I heard District of North Van is going to increase property taxes by 0.5% to equip North Shore Rescue workers to SPECIFICALLY support skiers who ski out of bounds and need to get rescued.

Even if SAR were all volunteers, there surely are costs associated with its operation. Charge these guys to pay for the fuel, insurance, maintenance on the choppers.

I'm not really sure what you mean, how is it any different than a snowmobiler or a snowshoer?

That's part of what I love about Big White, and what makes me a lot more cautious when I'm anywhere else. At Big White, aside from going over the backside of the mountain, if you get stuck out of bounds and keep heading downhill you'll eventually hit either the main road or a cross country ski trail.

The problem is it's often a grey area. There isn't always a clear line between when you're okay and when you aren't. On top of that, the person calling it in isn't always the person being rescued. This is the bush after all, having cell service is quite unlikely in a lot of places not far off the beaten path.

I've heard people who do get rescue donate generously afterwards. So lets not shame them cause they're generally remorseful and own up to it.