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hellcat crate motor: 800lbs

Hellcat 6.2L HEMI Crate Engine

so... not AWD after all. looks to be a single-minded drag car only:

2018 Dodge Demon: Forget AWD; New Video Confirms RWD ? News ?$Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

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We were wrong. The 2018 Challenger SRT Demon that Dodge has been teasing for weeks now will not, as we previously speculated, be all-wheel drive. Instead, it will most definitely be rear-wheel drive, as Dodge’s latest teaser video (embedded at the bottom of this post) clearly shows. It’s the latest reveal in a series of information drops; we most recently learned that it’ll have only one seat. The new video depicts a helmeted figure unlatching a large crate and pulling out an aluminum floor jack, a torque wrench, and a cordless impact driver before standing over a disorganized array of all three along with a tire gauge, the jack’s removable handle, and—the really key bits—a pair of skinny wheels and tires. Dodge Challenger SRT Demon Parts Dodge earlier confirmed that the car will be delivered on four ultrawide Nitto drag radials. That fact, plus our speculation on the meaning of a cryptic license plate shown in one photo, had us thinking AWD. But this latest clip indicates that the Nittos on the front might be simply spares for the rear axle once, you know, you roast the ones back there into oblivion. It’s also possible the skinny tires that owners might use, called “runners” in the drag-racing world, may not be DOT approved; therefore, the additional pair of drag radials could be fitted to allow the car to be legally driven on public roads. Once an owner reaches a drag strip, they can crack open the Demon-branded toolbox and swap out those front meats. How one gets the sizable box to the drag strip is another question. We never get a shot of the back side of the crate. Maybe the skinny wheels are really trailer wheels and the crate is really a mini trailer. Yeah, that’s doubtful. Forced to guess, we bet the tools have a dedicated spot in the car somewhere (or Mopar will sell some sort of organizer/tool bag) and that owners could probably stack the runners in the spare-tire well. 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon In addition to the clip, Dodge released a photo of a badge that appears to be affixed to the top of the box. This special plate reads “Built for: Tom Coddington” (a member of Dodge’s Ramchargers drag-racing team that rose to prominence in the 1960s) and includes the serial number 0757 and a VIN that curiously includes the letters “VIN” followed by “001121.” Are they quarter-mile figures? The Demon clocking 11.21 seconds would be too slow, we think, and 7.57 seconds is ridiculous. Output figures? We doubt that 757 refers to the car’s horsepower, as a mere 50-hp bump seems beneath the Demon’s specialness; we think it’s more likely to be the car’s torque figure in pound-feet, but we also believe Dodge wouldn’t tease any output numbers this early in the process. So what those numbers are pointing to remains a mystery—feel free to speculate in the comments below.
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The video sadly doesn’t give us any more peeks at the Demon itself, only the large tool box sitting at the staging area at a drag strip. The YouTube clip’s description also reads: “The Demon’s crate is full of Direct Connection mods.” Mopar’s accessories catalog, it should be noted, used to advertise bolt-on performance parts as Direct Connection pieces long ago; today they go by the Mopar Performance name. We dig the connection, and we look forward to seeing what else Dodge has up its sleeve for its rear-drive, drag-strip-centric Challenger creation.

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Originally Posted by thumper (Post 8820141)

hellcat crate motor: 800lbs

Hellcat 6.2L HEMI Crate Engine

800 lbs?? Lol what a piece of shit.

The LS7 from Corvette weighed approx 450 lbs.

youre comparing a supercharged iron block engine, with an all aluminum n/a engine.

how much does all aluminum vr38det weight? probably closer to hellcat than ls7

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Originally Posted by vitaminG (Post 8820630)

youre comparing a supercharged iron block engine, with an all aluminum n/a engine.

how much does all aluminum vr38det weight? probably closer to hellcat than ls7

The VR38DETT weighs 608 lbs, 150 lbs heavier than LS7 but 200 lbs lighter than Hellcat HEMI engine.

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Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8820677)

The VR38DETT weighs 608 lbs, 150 lbs heavier than LS7 but 200 lbs lighter than Hellcat HEMI engine.

It's significantly heavier than an engine that is 60% bigger? This is technology?

LSx for the win.

Going by hp/lb of engine weight

Ls7 1.12 lb/hp
Hellcat 0.88 lb/hp
Vr38 0.8-1.0 lb/hp
Nissan DIG-T-R 4.54 hp/lb

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Current expected Hellcat Demon HP figures, from Allpar:

Setting 1 : 757 hp
Setting 2 : 815 hp
Setting 3 : Above 900

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Originally Posted by Mancini (Post 8820717)

It's significantly heavier than an engine that is 60% bigger? This is technology?

LSx for the win.

I was talking about LS7, not LSX

LSX has cast iron block, but has 13.1 compression and 776hp

LSX 454R Crate Engine - Race Engine | Chevrolet

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Originally Posted by roastpuff (Post 8832352)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcdrohVsUEo

Current expected Hellcat Demon HP figures, from Allpar:

Setting 1 : 757 hp
Setting 2 : 815 hp
Setting 3 : Above 900

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the...erican-horses/

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Dodge has released a video titled ‘No Ice’, along with information about the car’s “liquid-to-air charge air cooler chiller system”. When the car is punched into drag mode, it diverts the interior air conditioning system to a charge cooler, dramatically reducing the temperature of the intake air.

Rumors now have it with over 1000 HP on track mode with race fuel!!

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Live stream for reveal is on now.

Berz out.

So
800+hp
2.3 0-60mph
5.1 0-100mph
9.65@140mph

New record for all 3 numbers on a production car.

Not bad!! They say it's "banned from tracks" but I wonder what the "supercar" rule will be as it is an OEM Factory production vehicle. You need a 10 point roll cage to run 9.99 or faster?

Berz out.

BRB while I re-install factory A/C to cool intercooler.

I always thought these cars were silly, but <10 second 1/4 mile!?!?! Thats insane!

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Originally Posted by hud 91gt (Post 8835018)

BRB while I re-install factory A/C to cool intercooler.

I always thought these cars were silly, but <10 second 1/4 mile!?!?! Thats insane!

i wonder if there is anything else aftermarket tuners can do with this...

3000 units for US, 300 for Canada
wonder about the going rate

optional Demon's crate

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Sweet. Skinnies and all the stuff to swap em at the track.

With all the suspension mods and the trans brake, I wonder how long until someone straps a big turbo on instead of the supercharger and really pushes this thing?

The 9.65 is the bare bones, no seats, no stereo, limited fuel in tank version. That is literally the fastest that car will go. As soon as you start adding options (weight) that number will get slower.
A 10 point cage, which is required for the sub 10 second et, would add around 100-150lbs. Further reducing your ET.
I would bet if you added seats, stereo, cage you would be hard pressed to run a 9.

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For one, in street trim running on pump gas and full interior, the horsepower and torque drops from 840 hp to 808 hp, torque from 770 lb-ft to 717 lb-ft.

The 9 second run is made on 100 octane and a special ECU you get by purchasing a separately available Demon Crate (shown above) and removing these parts:

58 pounds: Removed front passenger seat and belt
55 pounds: Removed rear seat, restraints and floor mats
24 pounds: Removed 16 audio speakers, amplifier and associated wiring
20 pounds: Removed trunk deck cover trim, carpeting, spare tire cover
19 pounds: Used smaller, hollow sway bars
18 pounds: Removed mastic, body deadeners, insulators and foam
16 pounds: Used lightweight all-aluminum four-piston brake caliper and smaller, 360-mm two-piece rotor 16 pounds: Switched to lightweight wheels and open-end lug nuts
4 pounds: Switched to manual tilt/telescope steering column
2 pounds: Removed park sensors and module

You can purchase the interior bits for $1 dollar each

Berz out.

a bit more about the NHRA ban, which was basically said in the comments above:

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Here’s the thing, though—it’s not really banned by the NHRA, as much as Dodge seems to like saying that, it’s just that in its stock form it’s fast enough that it’s required to have a competition license and extra safety equipment (a roll cage) that the car doesn’t normally come with.

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Originally Posted by Berzerker (Post 8835037)

58 pounds: Removed front passenger seat and belt
55 pounds: Removed rear seat, restraints and floor mats
24 pounds: Removed 16 audio speakers, amplifier and associated wiring
20 pounds: Removed trunk deck cover trim, carpeting, spare tire cover
19 pounds: Used smaller, hollow sway bars
18 pounds: Removed mastic, body deadeners, insulators and foam
16 pounds: Used lightweight all-aluminum four-piston brake caliper and smaller, 360-mm two-piece rotor 16 pounds: Switched to lightweight wheels and open-end lug nuts
4 pounds: Switched to manual tilt/telescope steering column
2 pounds: Removed park sensors and module

You can purchase the interior bits for $1 dollar each

Berz out.

do you know if they swapped the driver seat for a lighter race seat?

It's probably a light weight bucket.

Berz out.

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Originally Posted by Berzerker (Post 8835037)

The 9 second run is made on 100 octane and a special ECU you get by purchasing a separately available Demon Crate (shown above) and removing these parts:

Just occurred to me. They probably could have done a better pass, but once they did the first 9 second pass, the track wouldn't let them go without the cage.

1.364 60 fter so it is possible the car could have been faster than a 9.65 1/4 mile time.

a little more from the roadkill crew:

Stop Saying The 2018 Dodge Demon Is Banned From The Dragstrip - Roadkill

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Stop Saying The 2018 Dodge Demon Is Banned From The Dragstrip
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On April 11th, Dodge dropped an 840hp bomb in the shape of a wide-fendered Dodge Challenger, the long awaited Dodge Demon. The car is amazing, it’s super fast, it lifts the tires and it’s street legal. All of that is great, but what has been dominating the news feeds is Dodge’s claim that the quick car is banned from NHRA.

“Why build a car you can’t race?” cried the internet.

Well, let’s unpack the marketing from the facts.

“It’s not the make that is banned,” says Scott Smith of the National Hot Rod Association (NHRA). “You can bring a Dodge Demon to an NHRA track, but if you run under that 10-second barrier, they’re going to require that you meet the safety standards.”

Let’s repeat that. The Dodge Demon is NOT “banned” from dragstrips. It just has to follow the same rules that any other 9-second car needs to follow. That means that if you want to make multiple runs or run in competition with a Demon in race tune, you’re going to need to put a cage in it—not a harness bar, not a roll bar, but a full ‘cage, which includes door bars. This would make the car less than comfortable as a street driver, but not impossible. If you don’t want to do that, you can still run 9s at the dragstrip, you’ll just have to go to a new dragstrip whenever the old one figures out your game and kicks you off track.

If you just want to take your Demon out to a test-n-tune night, leave it on pump gas and you’ll be likely to run 10s all evening unless your track is very sticky and you are exceptionally good. On 91 octane the Demon runs 9.96, which is in optimal conditions with a Dodge engineer or Top Fuel driver testing it. In average conditions on an average track, we’d put our money on 10.10 all day. No bar required for 10.10s.

“You can bring the car to any NHRA member track and go out, it’s only once you hit below that 10-second number that they’d talk to you about the ‘cage,” Smith explained. “You’d also need fire clothing (jacket and pants) and a Level 6 competition license at that point.”

Getting a comp license isn’t a big deal, it’s just some paperwork, $150 and the witness signature of an already licensed driver on a series of launches and half passes to prove you aren’t a complete numbskull at speed.

“Banned” is good bragging, but it’s not really true, so if you’re one of the lucky folks who will be able to afford the Demon, go ahead and buy one. You’ll be able to race it.

and someone asked about the driver's seat... it does not appear to be a race bucket. i'm guessing it's because of the airbag:

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