What's the current sub-$100k dream car?

[Gucci Mane]

Originally Posted by Amaru

No.

I like your choice of car though, definitely a contender. I personally have a small issue with the image associated with American muscle but there's no question it's a great car these days.

LOL WUT? what is this "image" you speak of?

[Amaru]

Originally Posted by Timpo

Lexus RC-F
$85,400 + tax & fees

Over the C63S and M4? Really? I don't mind it and haven't driven it personally, but the reviews aren't flattering.

Reason for choosing over German options? (genuinely curious)

Originally Posted by GS8

Compared to everything else on this list? Not really.

It uses the same motor as the Corvette Z06. 640hp, 0-60 in 3.6 sec and can top 200mph. Pricing undercuts all its competition but inflation puts all car prices through the roof.

Well, Caddillac has always positioned itself as the value-oriented choice for ppl who want 0-60 times below 4 seconds but can't fork out $90k for a Bimmer or Audi or whatever..... they offer the same performance minus a bit of fit and finish and drop $10k or more from the price tag.

Now, you're basically saying that the CTS-V is MORE than the German comparables in this market segment, which is a big shift in strategy for Cadillac if true.... and honestly, it has to be a great car in many ways to justify being more expensive than a Merc, BMW, and Lexus. People will pay $10k just to get one of those badges on the hood of their car, nevermind the actual refinement of German or even Japanese cars (generally).

Also, M4 is generally pegged at 3.7-3.9s for the 0-60 on DCT models (which is 90% of all M4's), and YouTube has vids of stock M4's doing 3.6s on street tires in the right conditions. I imagine the Merc is close (IIRC they're claiming 3.9s in the brochure), too....

....so the CTS-V is basically identical in performance to the Germans, but costs more and isn't German. Might still be a great car worth the money, I don't really know, but it's a tough ask to try and get someone to pay extra for a Cadillac with similar performance when there's proven ///M's and AMG's that are cheaper.

On a side note: Kids, please beware with advertised power numbers... Porsche and BMW are notorious, for instance, for underrating numbers. The M4 is advertised as having 425bhp and most dyno runs I've seen show at least 425hp to the WHEELS, with some ppl estimating that the real torque is up to 100lb-ft more than BMW claims in their brochure. No idea why, but I know that you can't rely on specs anymore to determine who will be faster in the real world. Remember when the GTR first launched, and it "only" had 480bhp but somehow destroyed $300k supercars on any track or in any drag race?

(also, can you re-create the advertised times in the real world? I sure can't in my M4, and I doubt you can post that 3.6s 0-60 time in a RWD 500bhp Cadillac either .... unless you have a perfectly configured car on new tires during a summer day with 18ºC ambient temps and tire pressures between 233 and 239psi and Sebastian Vettel at the wheel, that is. Otherwise, expect 4.0-4.5s on most days if the brochure says 3.6s, and less once your tires begin to disintegrate -- after 2 runs)

[HonestTea]

Probably a C63S Coupe or a lightly optioned Macan GTS/S

[Teriyaki]

Went to price out a 3-series touring with X-drive because that's always what I envisioned the perfect family hauler to be if one could afford it. Then... I found out BMW only sells it in the 330xi model, AND it was priced at 47k. That seems lower than I remember. Have BMW's gotten cheaper? or maybe its just some stupid low base price and you have to pay 8k just for an automatic. In any case, this is my pick because does anyone REALLY need more than a 3 series touring.

[ime2006]

Originally Posted by Amaru

Disagree. See this build I created last night online, with all the additional options fitted to suit my personal taste... http://bit.ly/2n5lzlA

^^ has similar to the options list on my M4 and less than $1k difference in price between the two. $94k after tax. Another $5k of room in the budget to add some more options if needed.

I think this is the most appealing alternative for me personally (M4 being the other) in this price range. No-one else has posted something that's made me wetter upon seeing the pics in this thread

Damnnn....I mis calculated...

There you go!!! affordable within 100k !!!

[Gucci Mane]

Originally Posted by Teriyaki

Went to price out a 3-series touring with X-drive because that's always what I envisioned the perfect family hauler to be if one could afford it. Then... I found out BMW only sells it in the 330xi model, AND it was priced at 47k. That seems lower than I remember. Have BMW's gotten cheaper? or maybe its just some stupid low base price and you have to pay 8k just for an automatic. In any case, this is my pick because does anyone REALLY need more than a 3 series touring.

in reality, no one really needs more than a corolla s. excluding people who use vehicles for work obviously.

[GS8]

C&D lists:

CTS-V at $84k base ($96k full loaded)

M5 at $96k,
RS7 at $130k,
CLS AMG at $110k
E63 AMG at $103k

US Dollars

ATS-V competes with the M4 and the CTS-V Competes with the M5.

--

I couldn't give a shit what people buy. It's their money. I'm just listing the MSRPs.

[Amaru]

Originally Posted by Gucci Mane

LOL WUT? what is this "image" you speak of?

[Amaru]

Originally Posted by GS8

C&D lists:

CTS-V at $84k base ($96k full loaded)

M5 at $96k,
RS7 at $130k,
CLS AMG at $110k
E63 AMG at $103k

US Dollars

ATS-V competes with the M4 and the CTS-V Competes with the M5.

--

I couldn't give a shit what people buy. It's their money. I'm just listing the MSRPs.

It's that big? Fair enough. I thought it was closer to an M3/C63 in terms of size and target market. The bigger sedans like the M5 add another $20k for the extra 8" of wheelbase length, true dat

Still think that's a lot of $$ for a CTS-V tho, great car or not. I imagine the others are way more though once you add options such as a steering wheel and seats to the base price

[Amaru]

Originally Posted by GS8

C&D lists:

CTS-V at $84k base ($96k full loaded)

M5 at $96k,
RS7 at $130k,
CLS AMG at $110k
E63 AMG at $103k

US Dollars

ATS-V competes with the M4 and the CTS-V Competes with the M5.

--

I couldn't give a shit what people buy. It's their money. I'm just listing the MSRPs.

Originally Posted by Gucci Mane

in reality, no one really needs more than a corolla s. excluding people who use vehicles for work obviously.

Fuck, why stop there? No-one needs more than a bus pass, or $2.75 in change...

If you guys are buying base 3-series and Corollas with the free $100k I'm giving you, you're not quite right in the head. But that's cool, it's a free country and all

[DragonChi]

lol, you mad bro.

Because taking 3 hours to get there by bus fucking sucks. and hauling gear to where ever your going to by bus also fucking sucks.

[Amaru]

Originally Posted by DragonChi

lol, you mad bro.

Because taking 3 hours to get there by bus fucking sucks. and hauling gear to where ever your going to by bus also fucking sucks.

True, no argument from me on that one.

But you know what else sucks, man?

Buying a Toyota Corolla instead of a $95,000 BMW or Mercedes or Mustang... or any other sexy 500hp luxury sports coupe posted in this thread... when you're not the one paying, and you don't get to keep the change.

Or fuck it... hauling your gear around in a cramped little econo car sucks too. Not as much as the bus, but it's not as nice as doing the same thing in a brand new Acura RDX or Audi Q7 or BMW 550i.

....

If I mad, bro, you also mad, bro.

[Timpo]

You know what I just realized?
That "sub $100k" category isn't that attractive.

For $100k, you can't buy a car like Aventador or 488, not even GT-R or Porsche 911.

When you hear "sub $100k" you would try to get as close as possible to $100k, but there aren't many fun to drive car around that price range.

If you lower your price much lower, where its "affordable" you will start to see more attractive cars.

Subaru WRX STi


Mazda Miata


Fiat 124 Abarth


Toyota 86


Mini John Cooper Works


Nissan 370Z Nismo


Ford Focus RS


Honda Civic Type R


Volkswagen Golf R

[Manic!]

Alfa Romeo C4 fully loaded for around 80k.

[DragonChi]

Originally Posted by Amaru

True, no argument from me on that one.

But you know what else sucks, man?

Buying a Toyota Corolla instead of a $95,000 BMW or Mercedes or Mustang... or any other sexy 500hp luxury sports coupe posted in this thread... when you're not the one paying, and you don't get to keep the change.

Or fuck it... hauling your gear around in a cramped little econo car sucks too. Not as much as the bus, but it's not as nice as doing the same thing in a brand new Acura RDX or Audi Q7 or BMW 550i.

....

If I mad, bro, you also mad, bro.

In that case, I would get an Audi R8, max out that 100k, and pay the difference.

http://www.audi.ca/ca/web/en/models/...ild-price.html

[Hondaracer]

Model S is actually a decent choice although not sure of the load out you get for sub 100

[bcrdukes]

Sorry guys.

By 2017 Toyota Corolla, I really meant Porsche Carrera, but it starts at $102,200, so I guess that's out of the story. I often get the two cars mixed up.

Never thought a Toyota Corolla would rile up so many people. Jeez. My bad.

[yray]

100k.... Buy a condo and rent it out

And then buy a corolla with whatever left over.

And then sell the condo after it has tripled in value and buy a Lambo after...

Fucking noobs

[thumper]

Originally Posted by westopher

M2/M3 for me no question.
The M2 is the only new car I have any interest in that I could possibly be allowed to financially cripple myself for. The M3 is in the parameters of the thread for me, but no chance in real life.

decisions, decisions...

2016 BMW M2 6MT w/ M Performance Exhaust - $72000 (Richmond) https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rch/cto/6018329491.html

M2 Coupe, 6 speed manual, and M performance exhaust ($3450 option). 7100kms

Exterior Color: Long Beach Blue Metallic
Interior: Black Dakota Leather w/ Blue Contrast Stitching

Price: $72000

2016 BMW M3 (sedan) 6spd manual - $72800 (Vancouver)
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/cto/6032141083.html

2016 BMW M3 (F80) sedan with 6-speed manual transmission

Only 8200kms

One owner from new, factory ordered from Calgary BMW
Never smoked in
Meticulously cared for
No accidents -- clean CARFAX
No Charge Scheduled Maintenance 4yr/80k


8M93 - M3 Sedan
475 - Black Sapphire Metallic paint
2VF - Adaptive M Suspension
4WL - Carbon Fibre Trim w/ Black Chrome Highlight
LKSW - Black Extended Merino Leather
MSRP with Freight & PDI $81,507.25 + GST


Over $8000 in professionally-installed upgrades:

Extended coverage paint protection film package
M Performance rear trunk spoiler
M Performance Gloss Black fender gills
M Performance Gloss Black front grills
KW Germany H.A.S. adjustable lowering suspension
Fall Line Motorsports oil cooler guard
Lightweight front spoiler/splitter
Trunk cargo mat

Private sale

$72,800 no GST

but...

Located in Calgary

[tofu1413]

I'd probably get me a Grand sport. More bang for the buck compared to M3/M5 or C63 S and more exotic looking.


but if i do need four doors, money no object, reliability dont give AF:



hope it really drives well as its hyped up to be.

[smoothie.]

as much as I love the alfa cheese car, the front is already aging for me lol

pretty soon itll be:

[Timpo]

Originally Posted by thumper

decisions, decisions...

2016 BMW M2 6MT w/ M Performance Exhaust - $72000 (Richmond) https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rch/cto/6018329491.html

M2 Coupe, 6 speed manual, and M performance exhaust ($3450 option). 7100kms

Exterior Color: Long Beach Blue Metallic
Interior: Black Dakota Leather w/ Blue Contrast Stitching

Price: $72000

2016 BMW M3 (sedan) 6spd manual - $72800 (Vancouver)
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/cto/6032141083.html



but...

That M3 is used.

It has to be brand new, under $100k.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by Timpo

That M3 is used.

It has to be brand new, under $100k.

that response was for westpoher, showing he dosen't have to "financially cripple" himself overpaying for new.

[Timpo]

Originally Posted by thumper

that response was for westpoher, showing he dosen't have to "financially cripple" himself overpaying for new.

Did you see the OP's post?
The car has to be brand new, under $100k.
And you have to drive it daily for next 4 years.

I almost said Campagna T-REX but because it's not really a daily driver, I said Lexus RC-F.

[Urrtoast]

I think your forgetting the 15percent tax and pdi and freight. that will break the 100k max.
you cant get this car under 100k..

Originally Posted by Amaru

Over the C63S and M4? Really? I don't mind it and haven't driven it personally, but the reviews aren't flattering.

Reason for choosing over German options? (genuinely curious)



Well, Caddillac has always positioned itself as the value-oriented choice for ppl who want 0-60 times below 4 seconds but can't fork out $90k for a Bimmer or Audi or whatever..... they offer the same performance minus a bit of fit and finish and drop $10k or more from the price tag.

Now, you're basically saying that the CTS-V is MORE than the German comparables in this market segment, which is a big shift in strategy for Cadillac if true.... and honestly, it has to be a great car in many ways to justify being more expensive than a Merc, BMW, and Lexus. People will pay $10k just to get one of those badges on the hood of their car, nevermind the actual refinement of German or even Japanese cars (generally).

Also, M4 is generally pegged at 3.7-3.9s for the 0-60 on DCT models (which is 90% of all M4's), and YouTube has vids of stock M4's doing 3.6s on street tires in the right conditions. I imagine the Merc is close (IIRC they're claiming 3.9s in the brochure), too....

....so the CTS-V is basically identical in performance to the Germans, but costs more and isn't German. Might still be a great car worth the money, I don't really know, but it's a tough ask to try and get someone to pay extra for a Cadillac with similar performance when there's proven ///M's and AMG's that are cheaper.

On a side note: Kids, please beware with advertised power numbers... Porsche and BMW are notorious, for instance, for underrating numbers. The M4 is advertised as having 425bhp and most dyno runs I've seen show at least 425hp to the WHEELS, with some ppl estimating that the real torque is up to 100lb-ft more than BMW claims in their brochure. No idea why, but I know that you can't rely on specs anymore to determine who will be faster in the real world. Remember when the GTR first launched, and it "only" had 480bhp but somehow destroyed $300k supercars on any track or in any drag race?

(also, can you re-create the advertised times in the real world? I sure can't in my M4, and I doubt you can post that 3.6s 0-60 time in a RWD 500bhp Cadillac either .... unless you have a perfectly configured car on new tires during a summer day with 18ºC ambient temps and tire pressures between 233 and 239psi and Sebastian Vettel at the wheel, that is. Otherwise, expect 4.0-4.5s on most days if the brochure says 3.6s, and less once your tires begin to disintegrate -- after 2 runs)