yeah we live in Canada...one of the warmest parts.

Wake up call, I doubt it

Translink will continue to be a disaster with Canada Line having hours of delays because it cant cross a bridge.

Streets will continue to be unplowed in time for morning commutes.

We simply lack the infrastructure and resources for how little of snow we get. I don't see significantly more supply of salt and shovels in store for next winter either.

This thread went from snow clearing to immigration

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Like I said, I'm not going to paint everyone with he same brush. Definitely, I believe there are a percentage of people who under their given circumstances even with trying would have been hard. Businesses of course I can only imagine the amount of salt required for say a parking lot. Sure, some would argue that your stock pile would be higher and while that may be true it also means you use them faster and restocking is in higher quantities too. Interesting to see how this all plays out.

Yea... this is one of those beautiful sentences that sounds right and easily thanked, but is completely empty given the circumstance the city was under. The snow tire example doesn't even apply in this scenario. People waited weeks for salt to get stocked up, and many still weren't able to purchase any.

I think a big problem that people faced was not shoveling their sidewalk, then trying to melt the 3" thick packed ice after with salt and blowing thru bags and bags of salt. It doesnt work that way. Shovel the sidewalk before people walk on it and keep it clear.

Based on the number of sidewalks I saw not cleared, and the amount of ice build up in front of people's houses and business'. And no, it wasn't build up after it had been cleared in the morning. It was build up across multiple storms.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that it's these people that got the summons, and based on that singular extrapolation, I hope you all get royally butt fucked with a $2000 fine.

It's okay no reason to go on in a BS thread about how you are all victims, I'm sure the city has pictures for every instance, just like parking officers take pictures of your car illegally parked, and your dashboard not displaying any parking tickets.

And seriously no shovels at stores? To own a house anywhere in Vancouver it costs upwards of a million dollars, you have that type of investment and you don't own a fucking $25 shovel? It doesnt even have to be a fancy $100 snow clearing shovel. A regular spade would have allowed you to clear a measily 33' of sidewalk adequately enough so atleast it shows you made a fucking effort. Hell I saw a guy with a baking pan taped to a hockey stick, and it appeared to be working pretty well for him.

Ya'll are just full of reasons why you couldn't do it. When you really didn't make any sort of effort. Did any of you walk over to your neighbors and ask to borrow their shovel? I know mine did, and I happily lent it to him. My other neighbor hired a company, and they came by multiple times a day and cleared his driveway and sidewalks when it was snowing hard.

my previous posts were in no way trying to excuse people from shoveling their sidewalks

but can someone explain how non-parking bylaw enforcement works? Is it necessary to summon people to courts after 2 warnings and a case review? Seems like a gigantic waste of time and resources for something rather black and white.

the article quotes 10k+ warnings were dished out. E-mail? a letter? in-person?

If this was really about public safety, it would've been handled in a timely manner. Not 6 months later in the dog days of summer.

Thank you so much, could never have said it better

will this thread last to this winter?

The better question is....

Will anyone have a shovel next winter? :considered:

I bet everyone that got summoned will be shoveling the next time it snows in Vancouver. This is going to be a lesson learned situation and for once the city is doing something good for the betterment of everyone in the city.

Guess what things that happen in Richmond also happen in the rest of Canada. Every place was out of salt. In Nanaimo a majority white town we sold 20 plus bags of salt in less than 2 days. Had tons of white people asking if we had more. Every store in town was out. This happens every time there is a big snow storm. It does not snow for a few years and people get complacent and then it hits and tons of people of every color are running around looking for salt and shovels.

I got off a graveyard shift and still shovel'ed my parent's house.

I hate excuses. They were lazy and the ice build up was a result and then said "I can shovel this". FailFishFailFishFailFishFailFish

I'm sure some of it could've been dealt with on the spot but if 10000 tickets were given out that would probably require lots and lots of paperwork and time. They probably wanted to wait until all of them were processed before mailing them out to make a statement that would make peoples eyes open up to how dangerous not shovelling your sidewalks can be.

The street my parents are on has maybe 20 houses and only 2 of them were always shoveled. My parents and a house half way down. One of the houses has large shrubs right beside the sidewalk and the weight of the snow made them lean over and block the pathway forcing people to walk into a very busy road. They let it sit like that for the entire length of time.

Even though they live in Burnaby in hope they were fined.

Some stores did have limited shovels/salt in stock during this past winter, its up to you to make the effort to check and to go get one. How hard is it to spend 2 mins of your day to open up your browser and see if Canadian Tire has some shovels in stock? They have in stock, then buy online and pick it up??

Granted that salt was a hot commodity and was gone instantly, but if people don't make the effort to try to get one, then why complain? Craigslist had people selling them, yes, some were overly priced. But if you need it that bad for your sidewalk.. Why not?

What the ever loving fuck are you talking about? I didn't say anything about salt, I said buy a goddamn shovel. If you use a shovel properly you shouldn't need much, if any, salt. Funny that you blame immigrants when immigrants in other cities figure out how snow works just fine, yet people that have lived in Vancouver for decades are clueless.

I recall posting about alternatives to shovels and salt, like using brooms and kitty litter. Growing up in Kamloops, with a very steep driveway, I never used salt because of its corrosive qualities. I didn't understand this frenzy over salt I was seeing and a little annoyed that my vehicles were at greater risk of salt damage.

But white people who where born in raised in Canada can't even figure it out.

Yes you're right, idiots come in all races. Why the fuck is that even being mentioned?

LOL, you have your head stuck so deep in your ass. Where are you even pulling these general statements from? None of what you said is true. None.

Fucking moron, this started with some retard named underscore screaming "This is Canada", whatever the fuck that means. I guess the fuckhead meant because this is Canada, better learn to prepare for snowstorm, which makes no sense because the moron is generalizing all cities when Vancouver's climate is rather different from many other cities in the country.

The point is, it's even difficult for the people who grew up here to prepare so many months in advance when you have only seen a few snowstorm as huge as what we had this past winter over the last decade. Some had snow shovels because you already purchased one from years ago, not because you foresaw what was coming and fucking bought one last spring/summer.

My question is, why the fuck do you even have an expectation for the general population to be prepared for such one-off major snowstorm when in reality many people fail at much simpler things? Lower your standard, stop whining if you slip wearing your converse shoes.

Only down side with this is that yes kitty litter is great when you own pets and are worried about that or the salt run off but city official dont see it that way.

This constitutes negligence, potentially criminal negligence, if someone is seriously injured or dies as a result of slipping on the sidewalk adjacent to your property, your driveway, or your walkway. The liability insurance on your home/tenant insurance policy will not cover you if you haven't demonstrated a reasonable attempt to keep these areas safe (read: clear from snow and ice). It doesn't have to be clear 24/7, but you have to be able to prove you cleared it within a reasonable timeframe and, in the event of continuing winter conditions, on a reasonably regular basis.

This isn't about some guy in his mid-20s slipping and being embarrassed; it's about the elderly, mail and parcel delivery workers, etc. who can be seriously injured if they slip and fall.

"We don't get a lot of snowstorms here" isn't an excuse that will hold up with your insurance provider or in court.

Buy a shovel and shovel your walkway, driveway, and sidewalk when it snows or, if you don't own a shovel, ask a neighbour/friend/family member to lend you one/do it for you or hire someone to do it for you.

When my parents moved to their new house up in the mountains with a 1.25 acre corner lot (lots of sidewalk), I bought them a snowblower as a housewarming/Christmas gift. My dad is retired and I don't want him to have a heart attack from shoveling snow, so I got him a self-propelling Honda single stage. He didn't use it the first two years (last two years) but it was obviously a god send this winter.

You aren't getting my point. I don't even care what it constitutes as. I'm simply pointing to the reality, and how well-prepared you can expect the general population to be for a rare snow storm that hits the city once every several years. That's fantastic you got your dad a snowblower, but it's irrelevant here when we are talking about overal statistics.

As I said earlier, more deaths occur from idiots running summer/all-season tires in winter. People slipping on some ice and falling to death simply doesn't happen as often and isn't as deadly. If the city is so anal about issuing fines as a measure to improve overall safety, start targeting the ones who are too cheap to buy a set of winter tires. It's much easier to target the dumbasses this way too. I lose count of how many close calls I see every year, with cars struggling to drive up even a slight uphill, or failing to stop going downhill and crashing into a pole (could've easily been people). Don't we even get these threads every year on this forum? Cheap fucks who save $ living with the parents to modify cars, but don't have enough $ to buy a set of winter tires.

Also, how does the city deal with people who go on vacation? I guess it's not just the real estate that's expensive here, but you better hire people to look after your sidewalk when you are away for two weeks vacationing.

pstt... Shovel is for peasants...

Seriously people, invest in a snowblower if you own a home/business in Canada. HD, Walmart, CT... etc all host sales of them at the end of season, a reliable basic (Poulan Pro) model can go as low as $4xx.

It gets sidewalk done in less time your coffee brew in Keurig and hardly a sweat. Then a big bag of salt should last an awful long time. Back in East coast, I usually use about a bag or two per year and back there we get a shit ton of snow every season.

Some might argue that here in West coast we don't get enough snow to justify for one, but a reliable snowblower can last easily 10+ seasons and much longer if no heavy usage. At an average of less than $50 per season, it's no brainer.