Narcotics sniffer dog sweep at condo?

[westopher]

I can understand as a landlord, even though it seems super excessive.

[Blueboy222]

[Presto]

Is there a way to troll these drug-sniffing operations? I'm thinking some kinda product that contains the chemicals that dogs are detecting, and just spray that shit everywhere. Especially, on the doors of overreaching strata members.

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by Presto

Is there a way to troll these drug-sniffing operations? I'm thinking some kinda product that contains the chemicals that dogs are detecting, and just spray that shit everywhere. Especially, on the doors of overreaching strata members.

LOL, I was just thinking the same thing. Take some weed, and wipe it on the door handles of strata members or people you don't like.

On a serious note, it only affects those people who are smoking the illegal stuff. Any Joe can go to a doctor and ask for a doctors note because of anxiety, headaches, back pain etc. Some dispenceries even have in house doctors.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Tobacco and Pets are legal. Doesn't stop Stratas from banning either of those

Legal so long as you're not interfering with other peoples comfort and quality of life. Smoke has a way of finding its way everywhere, and people with allergies deserve to live someplace too.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

If you own your unit however, there isn't very much recourse you can take to stop it. Pets are one thing because they are coming and going through common areas, parkades, etc

Besides getting fined over and over again it's going to be a hell of a court battle to ever take actual action on it.

Do buildings actually have a complete smoking ban even inside a residents unit? Only lived in one apartment building but I don't ever recall seeing an outright ban on smoking in most buildings

Unless you can keep the smoke contained to your unit (good luck) yes they can ban it. The guy that lived next to my grandparents smoked a shitload in his unit and it made theirs stink of cigarettes too, as well as the hallway probably 100ft in either direction. Nobody should be forced to inhale secondhand smoke just because some lazy fuck can't walk outside.

Originally Posted by westopher

I can understand as a landlord, even though it seems super excessive.

Considering how many people have had their properties completely ruined by grow ops and the like it doesn't seem that excessive (especially the ones that have had fires etc). A while back some idiot making BHO blew up an apartment (I think in Toronto?). Smoking inside will also completely trash a place.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

LOL, I was just thinking the same thing. Take some weed, and wipe it on the door handles of strata members or people you don't like.

On a serious note, it only affects those people who are smoking the illegal stuff. Any Joe can go to a doctor and ask for a doctors note because of anxiety, headaches, back pain etc. Some dispenceries even have in house doctors.

the majority of those "licences" are all BS though and just a way to buy weed, not get the cops off your back.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by underscore

Legal so long as you're not interfering with other peoples comfort and quality of life. Smoke has a way of finding its way everywhere, and people with allergies deserve to live someplace too.



Unless you can keep the smoke contained to your unit (good luck) yes they can ban it. The guy that lived next to my grandparents smoked a shitload in his unit and it made theirs stink of cigarettes too, as well as the hallway probably 100ft in either direction. Nobody should be forced to inhale secondhand smoke just because some lazy fuck can't walk outside.



Considering how many people have had their properties completely ruined by grow ops and the like it doesn't seem that excessive (especially the ones that have had fires etc). A while back some idiot making BHO blew up an apartment (I think in Toronto?). Smoking inside will also completely trash a place.

The thing is, you don't need a private narc sniffing dog to notice a grow op. Anyone with a nose or eyes can spot it. That's an actual issue that will be taken care of by the authorities, or at least I hope. Some malinois isn't going to be the difference there.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by westopher

The thing is, you don't need a private narc sniffing dog to notice a grow op. Anyone with a nose or eyes can spot it. That's an actual issue that will be taken care of by the authorities, or at least I hope. Some malinois isn't going to be the difference there.

True, but I would think a trained dog would be considered more solid evidence f they're trying to document something.

There's also the possibility some nutbar who lives in the complex/building/whatever hired them. One of my idiot neighbours called bylaw because they don't like the look of the car I was going to use for the BC Gambler 500 so I could see someone doing something like this.

[meme405]

Honestly people saying as with other things, "once weed becomes legal", "whats the big deal with weed".

Listen here motherfucker IT'S STILL ILLEGAL as of today. So you have no fucking leg to stand on.

It's like those fucking idiots running dispensaries with no legal documents, and then when the police tell them to cease operations they continue to do the same illegal crap, under the guise of "it's going to be legal soon". Then they cry and go to the media pleading their case, when the police bust in and arrest them.

I personally don't care if you smoke weed, and I wish our government would just legalize the shit as quickly as possible, just so the pot smokers can get over feeling like rebels and thinking they are so cool that they can just disregard the law. But when you try to justify your currently still illegal activities, you paint yourself as a moron.

[Hondaracer]

Breh seems like you need ta chill and smoke one

[Mr.HappySilp]

Don't care what you do in your suite but if the smoke/smell gets out and I can smell it from my unit/common area then that's a problem.

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Breh seems like you need ta chill and smoke one

He's absolutely correct, though.

[Hondaracer]

It's the biggest grey area there's areguableybever been in terms of police enforcement. Everyone knows it's "illegal" however the attitude towards it could not be more lax. You can smoke a joint in front of a cop and they aren't going to do a thing. You can be found with amounts of weed on you and you're not going to get charges and probably not even a ticket because it's not worth the officers time to enforce.

Its illegal but to sit there with your face scrunched up because you smell weed from time to time isn't going to get you very far. If police aren't willing to enforce laws when they are right in front of them, no one is going to take the time to investigate somone smoking in their own property, let alone a property someone is renting etc.

[CivicBlues]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't an argument about the legality or illegality of Marijuana. Rather, how certain Strata corps' bylaws make it illegal to smoke anything within interior spaces. Stratas aren't going to call the cops to come break down your door and arrest you, they can only fine you.

Just like it's perfectly legal to drink alcohol if you're over 19, but if you do so on the beach it will constitute a bylaw infraction. One falls under the Criminal Code of Canada (and perhaps Provincial liquor laws), the other is just a municipal bylaw.

[murd0c]

I don't understand how someone can own/live somewhere but still be told what they can/cannot do. Thankfully I haven't had to deal with the before but man I would get pissed off if I bought a place and was told I can't smoke a J or use a propane bbq on my patio.

[white rocket]

Yes, we all know it is illegal but I have to guess that it is the smell of smoke that is the bothersome issue and not dealers/grow shows/labs and the illegalities that go along with it. If no one could smell it then it wouldn't bother anyone and there wouldn't be an issue. Same as cigs. I wouldn't want the building I'm living in to reek like weed or cigs even though I partake(privately) so I get where people are coming from. The transparent residents that have nothing to hide and do not partake really get the short end of the stick as their lives are now disrupted because of the actions of others. But, like any strata residence, if don't like the rules then buy a detached fee-simple home.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by murd0c

I don't understand how someone can own/live somewhere but still be told what they can/cannot do. Thankfully I haven't had to deal with the before but man I would get pissed off if I bought a place and was told I can't smoke a J or use a propane bbq on my patio.

Thanks, but we heard you the first time

I'd wager a guess that 90% of us here don't live in Mission or Ladner. Nor want to.

[Hondaracer]

ffs... wrote a big post about the legalities VS strata and then i hit back... :/

[Dragon-88]

I live in a newer condo built 2 years ago. Our last AGM just changed from being able to smoke on balconies to no smoking on common properties, which also include your balcony. Now the thing is, Strata cant do shit unless there's photo or video proof of your infraction. which is almost impossible as if someone is smoking under you, you wouldn't be able to prove who's smoking. So its a really hard battle. Then there also the option that if you're a smoker that you just smoke with the balcony door open while you're standing inside the building and blowing outside, you;re technically smoking on your own private property.. Again a hard battle to fight that one.

If you dont like smoke the easiest thing to do is just close your windows and door for the next 5-10 mins and then open them again. That would be the best prevention, and before people all go complaining about you have rights and all that.. Remember you just moved into a shared property, so no you wont win all your fights.. Hell I dont like the smell of some ethnic food, but I can't go and get those food banned, so I just close my windows and doors.. No big deal..

Sometimes you just need to adapt to the condo lifestyle, and everything that comes with it.

[Hondaracer]

That was kind of the jist of my post as it's almost impossible to pinpoint somone who is smoking inside their unit so a dog unit smelling around is nothing more than a witch hunt, what are you going to do? post the names and units of suspected smokers?

Without proper proof you cant even issue a fine. A warning maybe but theres no way you can fine someone for smoking inside unless you had actual proof. So therein is the problem i have with the dogs as it's a complete waste of time and money by the strata.

personally i'd have way more of a problem with loud noisey neighbors than the occasional pot smoker. And at least noise complaints can be substantiated

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Dragon-88

If you dont like smoke the easiest thing to do is just close your windows and door for the next 5-10 mins and then open them again. That would be the best prevention, and before people all go complaining about you have rights and all that.. Remember you just moved into a shared property, so no you wont win all your fights.. Hell I dont like the smell of some ethnic food, but I can't go and get those food banned, so I just close my windows and doors.. No big deal..

Smoke is a bit different though, secondhand curry isn't a scientifically-verified health hazard.

[meme405]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

It's the biggest grey area there's areguableybever been in terms of police enforcement. Everyone knows it's "illegal" however the attitude towards it could not be more lax. You can smoke a joint in front of a cop and they aren't going to do a thing. You can be found with amounts of weed on you and you're not going to get charges and probably not even a ticket because it's not worth the officers time to enforce.

Its illegal but to sit there with your face scrunched up because you smell weed from time to time isn't going to get you very far. If police aren't willing to enforce laws when they are right in front of them, no one is going to take the time to investigate somone smoking in their own property, let alone a property someone is renting etc.

You say this, but then the news says stuff like this:

B.C. marijuana shops illegal say feds, as RCMP crackdown - British Columbia - CBC News

It's this type of attitude that makes non users look at people who sell and consume pot and think you're all retarded.

The RCMP issue a direct notice, "Hey it's not legal yet, you better stop selling it out of your store", and the shop owner is like "yeah fuck you, I'll keep doing it, cause Ottawa is working on making it legal", and "I voted for it to be legal in the last election"

Then the guy gets his shop raided and stomped out, arrested, charged, and then runs to the media about how he was so wronged, "I was just a young entrepreneur, trying to make my way in this world. How could the police do this to me".

Well you see you little fuck tard, you're not an entrepreneur you're a criminal.


On a similar note, you guys laugh and say: "haha strata is so stupid, they pass bylaws like no smoking on your balcony, but how the fuck would they know who it is."

And then your strata says: "haha we brought in dogs and they will tell us who is smoking", and now you guys come and complain about it, "this invades my privacy". Lol. No it doesn't you're just salty your strata is not as stupid as you think.

And then you go back on the defense, well I own this place, so I can do what I want. Sure, yeah. That will fly when the strata calls the cops, or fines you until you file for bankruptcy. We had a resident like some of you it one of our buildings, he kept throwing trash that wasnt allowed in the bins. They fined him like 30 times, cops were called, went to court he lost, then he said fuck you, got fined like 15 more times. Then eventually he realized the strata would just laugh at him and all the bank they were making. So he sold his place and fucked off.

Most of you are probably renters too, I hope your strata tells your landlord, cause I know for sure all my tenancy papers say you can't smoke anywhere on the property, that includes your balcony, and common property of the building. AKA you have to go all the way to sidewalk if you live in an apartment. This is irrelevant to what the bylaws say.

[320icar]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Don't care what you do in your suite but if the smoke/smell gets out and I can smell it from my unit/common area then that's a problem.

Thank you. I don't smoke and I don't care if other people do, but I hate the smell. Always have. In my old apartment building I had a huge problem on my floor where the smells were so powerful it would get through the fire doors and into my own apartment, it was super frustrating. Got to the point where I'd hear other tenants to into the hallways and scream "STOP SMOKING POT YOU FUCKHEADS" and I completely agreed

[CivicBlues]

People, just follow 2 simple rules when it comes to communal living:

1) Don't be an asshole.
2) Don't live like a fucking pig.

Everyone's happy. I doubt any of this is an issue in more civic minded communities like Japan or Switzerland.

[nsmb]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

People, just follow 2 simple rules when it comes to communal living:

1) Don't be an asshole.
2) Don't live like a fucking pig.

1) Don't be an asshole. - example, don't burn incense on your patio for over an hour every night...