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My mom has a 2012 Tucson with over 100k on it (purchased new) and it has been great, other than fluid changes all it has needed is a set of pads/rotors (just to pass an OOP, they were still good for quite a while) and this month it got a new set of tires. I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a Hyundai as a long term daily.
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Elantra
- questionable reliability and the depreciation rate...
Questionable reliability compared to a VW?
As for depreciation, if OP is keeping it for 8-10 years I think it's a pretty moot point. The up front $2k savings over the Civic and $4k over the Golf along with being able to run cheaper fuel is going to make more of a difference overall than resale in 10 year time.
I know this won't be exact, but I went on VMR and ran it for a 2007 Elantra, Civic and Golf GTI. I tried to make them as equal as I could (similar to what OP would buy, all options ticked with 200k km). These are the "retail" prices.
Yes I will test drive them. And yes if it will be unreliable no matter how good it drives It won’t be on my list. Which is why I’m asking for opinion on the gti reliability and from what I been hearing it will be last on my LIst due to its reliability.
Honestly do you think I was gonna just go down to the dealership and buy the car without test driving them. I’m asking for people opinion and advice. Hence why there are reviews on cars. If everyone just answer with just go test drive them why even bother writing reviews.
I'm sorry if you thought I was attacking you or if I came across the wrong way. My comment was remarking that no one else had made reference to the importance of the driving characteristics (which are generally more a matter of personal opinion. None of the 3 brands you're considering are at the top of the reliability rankings so other factors play into the decision.
If you want reliability rankings, go to Consumer Reports. Generally what you'll get on a forum is anecdotal feedback "I had one and it was great" or "I had one and it sucked." It's not exactly reflective of the overall quality/reliability of the brand/model. Anecdotal info is more useful for the intangibles of the cars one is considering, reviews as you mention.
Of the three brands you're considering the highest ranked is Honda at #9 with Hyundai at #10 and the Elantra as their most reliable model, so there you have it.
I'm sorry if you thought I was attacking you or if I came across the wrong way. My comment was remarking that no one else had made reference to the importance of the driving characteristics (which are generally more a matter of personal opinion. None of the 3 brands you're considering are at the top of the reliability rankings so other factors play into the decision.
If you want reliability rankings, go to Consumer Reports. Generally what you'll get on a forum is anecdotal feedback "I had one and it was great" or "I had one and it sucked." It's not exactly reflective of the overall quality/reliability of the brand/model. Anecdotal info is more useful for the intangibles of the cars one is considering, reviews as you mention.
Of the three brands you're considering the highest ranked is Honda at #9 with Hyundai at #10 and the Elantra as their most reliable model, so there you have it.
2018 RANK
1 ↑1 Toyota
2 ↓1 Lexus
3 ↑2 Kia
4 — Audi
5 ↑4 BMW
6 ↑5 Subaru
7 ↑1 Infiniti
8 ↓5 Buick
9 ↑1 Honda
10 ↓ 3 Hyundai
For the Honda Civic, CR rated it:
- 76/100 on the road test
- For this generation (2016-Current), the only real blemish on the record is in-car electronics for the Honda Civic. Everything else is above average or well above average for reliability feedback.
- Previous generation (2012-2015) was nearly flawless in reliability feedback.
- The Honda Civic ranked 3rd in its class in owner satisfaction (behind the Prius and Elantra)
For the Hyundai Elantra, CR rated it:
- 66/100 on the road test
- For this generation (2017-Current), everything is above average or well-above average for reliability data.
- The previous generation (2011-2016) had issues with the early years (transmission, suspension, brakes, power equipment), but later years had good feedback.
- The Hyundai Elantra ranked 2nd in its class in owner satisfaction (behind the Prius)
For the Volkswagen Golf, CR rated it:
- 82/100 on the road test
- For this generation (2015-Current), the problem areas are the fuel system and in-car electronics (below average). Power equipment, climate system, and fuel system also have average reliability feedback. Almost everything else is well above average.
- The previous generation (2010-2014) had major issues with the fuel system and lesser issues with the climate system and power equipment. Drivetrain has well above average reliability.
- The Volkswagen Golf ranked 9th in its class in owner satisfaction (behind the Prius, Elantra, Civic, C-MAX, Cooper, 3, Soul, and Corolla).
Toyota being at the top of those rankings (and generally considered to be reliable vehicles with good resale value) have you considered a Corolla iM? I just checked and it's 170.4" long, so it would fit, and it's cheaper than the other 3.
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half those dudes are hotter than ,my GF.
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reading this thread is like waiting for goku to charge up a spirit bomb in dragon ball z
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OH thank god. I thought u had sex with my wife. :cry:
Toyota being at the top of those rankings (and generally considered to be reliable vehicles with good resale value) have you considered a Corolla iM? I just checked and it's 170.4" long, so it would fit, and it's cheaper than the other 3.
I want something with a little more punch than the 137hp. They should make the corolla im with the 86 engine. To compete with the hatches. I would be into that.
My first 3 cars were Japanese because I was worried about reliability. I never kept them long because they bored me. My 4th car was a VW and I got a 7 year warranty with it because I was paranoid. I'm about 2 years into ownership with zero issues.
With the three choices given, I would likely go with the Civic based on the reliability and the strong driving performance of the new Civics.
Not to throw a new option into the the mix, but have you looked at the Kia Soul Turbo? 163 inches in length so well below your threshold, 201 hp and 195 torque. Tons of room inside. My mom has a 2014 Soul EX+ and I borrow it all the time to haul stuff. Would be really easy if you have kids, especially with child seats depending how old they are. I haven't driven the Turbo, but it seems to have gotten pretty good reviews. And you can get one for about $26,000 + tax.
My first 3 cars were Japanese because I was worried about reliability. I never kept them long because they bored me. My 4th car was a VW and I got a 7 year warranty with it because I was paranoid. I'm about 2 years into ownership with zero issues.
As the saying goes, "the night is still young", my friend. My MkIV car has been nearly flawless for the first 3 years, and the MkV car totally flawless for the first 4 years or so. And then then little things start to creep up on you. And then they grow into bigger, more troublesome, and more $$$ things with higher frequency.
(You'll also learn to curse the German engineerers who designed things that require 2 hours to Re&Re instead of a 5 min quick swap.)
Still loved both cars, esp the MkIV, and I was glad to have owned & driven them. But their later years have been troublesome, time consuming, and $$$$, and I know I wouldn't want to go through the same thing again.
Leather seats burn my a$$ and thighs in the summer, and freezes them in the winter. Not sure why anyone would ever want leather seats in a car.
That's why Baby Jebus invented Heated and Cooled seats.
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I bought my wife a new 2013 Elantra in 2012, no issues at all and she's put over 100K on it. We had to do the front brake pads and tires but that's all regular maintenance. For the price can't really go wrong, I'd buy another Hyundai.
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For me it's the Civic vs GTI. The Elantra is a good deal but I feel like it's not quite there yet. Not all that fun to drive, not much feel, plain interior, etc.
The Civic Touring looks pricey at $30k but it's well equipped. From my personal experience, the cargo room is large and practical, comparable to my RDX. The chassis is well sorted and it's a brand new design from Honda. Car and Driver managed 0.93g in a regular Civic hatchback sport with all season tires. Being a 1.5T that is relatlvely new, its tuning potential is not comparable to the GTI. But if all you need is 180whp stock with the potential of well over 200whp, the Civic HB is more than enough.
The GTI is the default go-to car for enthusiasts looking for an affordable but fun to drive HB. It's well built and perceived quality are high. With the DSG, it's also decently fast. At the price you are looking at, as you already pointed out, you do lose out quite a few features that are standard on the Civic Touring. Are you going to be okay with that for 8-10 years?
I own a 2018 Elantra GT GLS, which is 1 trim level below the sport and I have to say this car is fun to drive. The sport has better rear suspension and more HP and torque, so I can only imagine it'd be even more of a blast to drive on that.
If you do go ahead and purchase an Elantra GT Turbo then I highly suggest you stay the fuck away from OpenRoad Hyundai on Boundary. Their sales manager is a lying sack of shit that made promises to me and then blatantly lied to my face after the fact.
I would choose GTI since I would want to mod it to stage 2 later in ownership probably. Plus German to me feels more premium and more stability. Yes it does come as a cost in parts and maintenance versus the Honda but that's something I'm willing to sacrifice for my own satisfaction
I would say go for the GTI but I am a bit biased. I still currently own my MKV GTI which I bought brand new in 2007. No major problems but I have been very good at keeping up with maintenance and other things. Keep in mind as well as my car has been on an APR Stage 2+ tune for nearly 6 years without issue. The one thing that keeps me from replacing it is that even after 10 years of ownership the car is still holding together well and more importantly still very fun to drive .
I love halogens. All the cars in my family are either xenon/HID/LED except my golf sportwagen. Hell, even the 2016 corolla i traded in for the sportwagen had LED lights.
NOT A BIG FAN of these bright ass lights. The cutoff areas are too apparent and its too easy to blind oncoming traffic. I find on the i5 and other highway driving that the halogens actually project further as it disperses light without the glare or super apparent cutoff areas.
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