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westopher 05-20-2018 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ludepower (Post 8903586)
Broken violin. No one cares anymore.
It's gotten to the point where they deserve it now.

The people that deserve it aren't the victims unfortunately. The day someone goes in a shoots up an NRA meeting that statement might hold a little more validity.
These are fucking kids. They didn't create this disgusting gun culture in a disgusting country.

welfare 05-22-2018 06:27 AM


MSREE 05-22-2018 07:35 AM

Whats the point of having trials for people like this?
They should just be killed immediately once caught. What a waste of time/money. They should be clearing out mass murderers just as quick as theyve done their victims.

Tbh, the way our planet is going the govt is probably letting it happen since it cant sustain the growing population for much longer. They need to thin it out somehow.

Just my 2 cents.

iwantaskyline 05-22-2018 08:21 AM

Australia enacted strict gun control laws after a horrific mass shooting in 1996. It worked.

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On April 28, 1996, a gunman opened fire on tourists in a seaside resort in Port Arthur, Tasmania. By the time he was finished, he had killed 35 people and wounded 23 more. It was the worst mass murder in Australia’s history.

Twelve days later, Australia’s government did something remarkable. Led by newly elected conservative Prime Minister John Howard, it announced a bipartisan deal with state and local governments to enact sweeping gun-control measures. A decade and a half hence, the results of these policy changes are clear: They worked really, really well.

In 1996, Australia Enacted Strict Gun Laws. It Hasn't Had a Mass Shooting Since.

Kreygasm

Digitalis 05-22-2018 08:37 AM

Maybe they need to lock up his explosives too while they are at it. Or the parents for letting him build the bombs in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8903562)
If his dad had locked up his guns like people do in Canada this might not of happened.


Digitalis 05-22-2018 08:38 AM

ORLY
Family of 7 found dead in what may be Australia's worst mass shooting in over 20 years | CBC News
Family of 7 found dead in what may be Australia's worst mass shooting in over 20 years
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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline (Post 8903833)


MarkyMark 05-22-2018 08:51 AM

If a family of 7 is the worst mass shooting in 20 long ass years I'd say gun control has worked beautifully.

iwantaskyline 05-22-2018 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Digitalis (Post 8903836)
ORLY
Family of 7 found dead in what may be Australia's worst mass shooting in over 20 years | CBC News
Family of 7 found dead in what may be Australia's worst mass shooting in over 20 years

That's a mass shooting only by technicality...The mother murdered her children in some rural property.

From your article:

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Gun laws lauded
Australia's gun laws are widely acclaimed as a success, with supporters including former U.S. president Barack Obama saying Australia has not had a single mass shooting since they were implemented.

The generally accepted definition of a mass shooting — four deaths excluding the shooter in a single event — has been met only once in Australia since then. In 2014, a farmer shot his wife and three children before killing himself.

Digitalis 05-22-2018 10:52 AM

Anyone knows what happens in Mexico when the cartels have guns and citizens arn't allowed to have them?
Why do US cities with the strictest gun laws have higher crime rates?

CivicBlues 05-22-2018 12:12 PM

Can we just make a "US Mass shootings thread"? Cause every time I go into one of these threads it feels like I'm reading one of previous ones over and over again.

Ludepower 05-22-2018 12:34 PM

Clearly this problem falls on deaf ears.
Why do us Canadians give a dayum anymore.
Our dumb neighbours made their bed. Let them sleep in it.

ps. kill count only 10. weak score bro.

Manic! 05-22-2018 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Digitalis (Post 8903849)
Anyone knows what happens in Mexico when the cartels have guns and citizens arn't allowed to have them?
Why do US cities with the strictest gun laws have higher crime rates?

You have fewer school shootings.

Where do the cartels get their guns from?

westopher 05-22-2018 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digitalis (Post 8903836)
ORLY
Family of 7 found dead in what may be Australia's worst mass shooting in over 20 years | CBC News
Family of 7 found dead in what may be Australia's worst mass shooting in over 20 years

OH SHIT I GUESS IT DIDNT WORK.
The same amount of mass shootings in 20 years as US had in several days. Before the “but knives” argument I know is coming you could check out Australia’s homicide rate per capita compared to America.

welfare 05-23-2018 06:23 AM


Ulic Qel-Droma 05-23-2018 08:05 AM

dont worry, right after WW3, the americans will say "I told ya so", again.

belka 05-23-2018 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Digitalis (Post 8903849)
Anyone knows what happens in Mexico when the cartels have guns and citizens arn't allowed to have them?

Lets start arming civilians so they can shoot it out with the cartels. :facepalm:

Manic! 05-23-2018 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8903951)

The video is from a guy called 8 bit. Did you verify any of the video or do you just believe everything that fits your narrative.

According to this video Trump works with reptilian shapeshifters.



Gun nuts always tell me a gun is an inanimate object and a gun has never killed anyone. The lieutenant governor texas is blaming doors and now wants to ban doors. A door is an inanimate object so why blame doors, doors have never killed anyone.


Since at least 2012 the NRA has blamed violent video games for mass shootings. But the new president of the NRA Oliver North (yes that Oliver North) does not blame video games but still blames movies and TV. The reason why? He was a consultant on COD 4 and was in the game. If the NRA believes violent video games are the problem why hire a president that worked on violent video games.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...p-news-videos/
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...p-news-videos/

ray666 05-23-2018 01:11 PM

Why don’t we all just agree it’s a complicated issue.

Does video games, violent movies, music etc cause mass shootings? Maybe. Are they’re mass shooters who don’t watch/listen to any of that stuff? Probably. You can come up with lots of hypocracies from both side. Do you have a comment of “action stars” getting paid millions for movies but call for a gun bans after mass shootings.

Let’s face it. Banning all guns aren’t going to solve the issue. Making more laws aren’t going to do anything. But doing nothing right now is is obviously not doing anything as well. In the end, it’s up to the individual and we need to think of ways to deter these people from wanting to shoot up a school. Whether it’s mental health, anti bullying or having a healthy upbringing; something where there are no quick fixes. Unfortunately it’s so complicated and every group is involved with or has a relationship with everyone else, it makes it difficult to actually attempt to effectively and seriously address the problem.

Manic! 05-23-2018 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray666 (Post 8904000)
Why don’t we all just agree it’s a complicated issue.

Does video games, violent movies, music etc cause mass shootings? Maybe. Are they’re mass shooters who don’t watch/listen to any of that stuff? Probably. You can come up with lots of hypocracies from both side. Do you have a comment of “action stars” getting paid millions for movies but call for a gun bans after mass shootings.

Let’s face it. Banning all guns aren’t going to solve the issue. Making more laws aren’t going to do anything. But doing nothing right now is is obviously not doing anything as well. In the end, it’s up to the individual and we need to think of ways to deter these people from wanting to shoot up a school. Whether it’s mental health, anti bullying or having a healthy upbringing; something where there are no quick fixes. Unfortunately it’s so complicated and every group is involved with or has a relationship with everyone else, it makes it difficult to actually attempt to effectively and seriously address the problem.


Maybe not letting a 17 year old have access to guns would be a good start.

welfare 05-23-2018 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8903989)
The video is from a guy called 8 bit. Did you verify any of the video or do you just believe everything that fits your narrative.

So do you dispute the data? Or do you just dislike it because it contradicts your narrative?

I just love the way he says "retadded", don't you?

DragonChi 05-23-2018 09:00 PM

I wasn't going to post until the follow up because i didn't think it was worth typing out. But here goes.

8Bit's data shows absolute numbers that are not relative to the population. As well he uses percentages out of deaths, which further inflates those numbers to look higher than they actually are. Moreover, his use of language detracts from his stance as an intelligent person.

A real look would be gun violence per capita and gun ownership per capita, as shown below. I will leave it up to the reader to come to their own conclusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

welfare 05-23-2018 10:17 PM

His point was that gun deaths were already trending down. And regardless of how you slice it, they were.
So to say that Australia's gun control "worked", there's just no evidence.
I could just as easily point out countries with stricter gun control than Australia, yet spiraling gun deaths.

It's comparing apples to baseballs.

If someone wants to be remotely honest, they'd compare state to state gun laws and their effects. At least then you're comparing laws in the same country.

DragonChi 05-23-2018 10:21 PM

The trending down was one of his points of many. I'm sure it was trending down when the event that caused the stricter gun control happened as well right?

Which countries would these be?

iwantaskyline 05-23-2018 11:05 PM

Of course welfare of all people would post an alt-right youtube channel's video as his source. LUL

iwantaskyline 05-23-2018 11:11 PM

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/australian-guns/

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Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence
from Panel Data
Andrew Leigh, Research School of Economics, Australian National
University and
Christine Neill, Department of Economics, Wilfrid Laurier University

In 1997, Australia implemented a gun buyback program that reduced the stock of firearms by around one-fifth (and nearly halved the number of gun-owning households). Using differences across states, we test[ed] whether the reduction in firearms availability affected homicide and suicide rates. We find that the buyback led to a drop in the firearm suicide rates of almost 80%, with no significant effect on non-firearm death rates. The effect on firearm homicides is of similar magnitude but is less precise [somewhere between 35% and 50%].


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