I really can't figure out what happened here. There is a LOT of damage to that car and damage to the front right of the truck. I'm curious who hit who and at what speed.

Berz out.

looks like maybe the truck slammed on the brakes and hit another car in front, then the camry didn't brake in time and slid under the rear of the truck. Or the front damage to that truck can just be from another prior accident that wasn't fixed yet.

If that truck wasn't ridiculously lifted, there's definitely a much higher chance of the girl surviving.

There's a reason why factory lifted cars like the 4x4square has ugly rear bumper lowering extensions to be road legal, to maintain bumper to bumper contact in case of an accident and not have the rear car slide under and get a bumper through the windshield.

From what I see, the trucks passenger side hit the passenger side of the Camry. Doesn't look like rear end damage at all.

Berz out.

^the way i am seeing it is the pickup went monster truck style against the side of the camry and drove over the passenger side before coming back down infront?

that would explain the messed up bumper infront and the collapse suspension on the passenger side because china parts

What's the point of modding a vehicle?

I'm just the messenger. This was 10 years ago, 95% sure it was a VLSD, could be wrong though.

What's the point of lowering a car to the point that one has to go diagonally over speed bumps or raised driveways?

Lots of people lower cars and never put them on a track or auto-x course. Same as people who lift trucks and never take them off road. Personally, I think it's stupid especially paired with rubber-band tires, but like Gab said, its a slippery slope to say one particular "mod" is more dangerous than others based off one collision.

The "pitbull" argument IMO is very apt. Lifted trucks and pitbulls seem to attract the same kind of shitty people, based on my experience. But the things themselves are harmless. Just the people behind them....

Yeah, especially when you are in a short sports car.

Usually, I just avoid being beside a big vehicle like that. I either slow down or downshift and pass them.

Those are very different from a lifted truck though. These are unexpected accidents, a truck jacked to the moon is intentional negligence. The bumpers don't accidentally end up at face-height with no warning.

I disagree. An unexpected event yes, but accentuated by the modification to the vehicle. An accident is an unexpected event in "every" situation. You lower your car and take out the crash triangles in the back and get rear ended and cause a big'ole fireball.

I could argue that lowering your car to the point it's invisible in 99% of peoples' blindspots is negligent because you went out of your way to essentially conceal your car to other drivers. Or you lower it to the point it's below the limit for pedestrian impact (I know the specific on this one but I do believe that that is one reason that newer cars have the stupid big/higher front ends than before?), could say that's negligent too.

I'm know i'm splitting hairs but I believe that there is not much difference. Personally I think that the big lifted trucks get a bad rap because they are just that, BIG.

actually new Chinese made cars are quite reliable, sometimes more so than american counterparts :D

and some are pretty good looking

https://insideevs.com/wp-content/upl...8/04/111-4.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4736/3...7eb504a8_b.jpg

http://www.autovehicle.info/Yonetim/...95-800X600.jpg
https://cdn.drivemag.net/media/defau...ult-large.jpeg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sWkmZhE4k3Y/maxresdefault.jpg
http://www.gackuwait.com/wp-content/...0-1030x357.jpg


all around $35-40k cdn

redneck and chineseisum

goes together like peas and carrots

And thus, your avatar came to be.

That's definitely part of it, kind of like how cars with modded exhausts probably get reported for speeding more just because they're louder.

However, regardless of the mod, if that mod is found to be a direct partial contributor to the severity of the accident, surely they should be held accountable.
If I had an illegal 10 foot spike pointing out the back of my car, and someone rear ends me, I would think that I'm still at fault in some way..

I think if you tried hard enough and with the right lawyer you could find any mod in any accident a partial contributor.

Not disagreeing with you. But as I said earlier, she's a slippery slope.

I would rather see some sketchy cars/trucks out there with VI's handed out from time to time and to be allowed to essentially do what I want with my car. Instead of putting a complete freeze/stranglehold on the modded community. Now I know the argument will be, "well what if it was your daughter/mother/son/family member... Well, pick your poison. We can argue until semantics until we're red in the face, this is all just one mans opinion ;)

I heard from a couple of people who work in the area that the white car blew thru a red light. Also in the link, a comment was made that the 17yo driver of the white car had 3 passengers and admitted that she was talking on her phone.

Not trying to argue, just interested in your opinion. I don't think it's a slippery slope at all. I'm specifically talking about illegal modifications. If you have a legal modification, you of course shouldn't be responsible, even if it was a partial contributor, because it was deemed appropriate by the government.

I think production vehicles should set precedent for legality of aftermarket vehicle mods. Are there really low cars that are sold legally from a manufacturer? Yes. I should be able to lower my car to the ride height of an adventador. Are there cars sold with really loud exhausts? Yup, I should be legally allowed to make my car as loud as an adventador. Are there trucks sold with a bumper rebar height of 3 feet off the ground? No? I wonder why.

I like trucks and all and drive a tacoma around quite a bit but I once parked my s2000 behind a lifted truck. Came back to see my bumper and hood all fucked. That fucker backed up onto my car, because he was probably a shit driver and also didnt see my car.

Fuck lifted trucks

But "legal" mods are such a grey area. Yes there are laws dictating heights and what not, but the actual parts you put on your car.. When was the last time you actually put something DOT approved. I think technically any aftermarket part you put on has to have been approved by an engineer at some point. I know I have put on numerous "off road only" parts.

Might as well fuck the police while you're at it. Glad you came to a concise generalization of half the vehicle modifying community.

I could make some generalizations of anyone driving small rwd sport convertibles...?

Accidents happen. Why witch hunt every lifted truck out there. Bad drivers are bad drivers regardless of what vehicle they’re in. Any vehicle can be a deadly weapon

Agree with this.

If the investigation find the mod to directly contribute to the fatality then it's not a slippery slope at all. In that case, your modding community is putting people you're sharing the road with at risk and that mod should be made not road-legal.

If not then I see no reason to ban it just based on sentiments.

if this is the case, would this accident be any different if the car ran into a dump truck?

do what you want to your car, if you don't deliberately jeopardize the integrity of safety systems put in place

smoked out tails, Bride replicas from China, retarded camber, etc.

not wow that wrap is so bright in the sun it blinded me and I went crashing into someone else

this reminds me of a recent news where some guy built an exo-shell for his civic in the backyard, told people not to criticizes the safety of it in a feeler ad...then dies in the aptly named deathkart

https://jalopnik.com/man-dies-after-...-ka-1825681533

you can find a very similar discussion in the controversial 140kph oak street acquittal thread

I'm just bitter from that one incident that caused damage to my car and yeah, I shouldn't generalize the whole community. Maybe what I should have said is "fuck that guy and his fucking lifted truck"

I would agree. But what if the lifted truck here was actually in the rights. He did everything right, was a good driver. The other car ran a red light and was distracted and hit him, it is totally not his fault. however, if the truck was not lifted there would not be such extensive damage and casualty.

where do you draw the lines?