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Tragically today, the 18 yr old passenger involved in a collision with a lifted truck in Abbotsford has died. This has sparked debate on social media about the safety and legality of vehicle mods.
An 18-year-old girl died following a collision in Abbotsford yesterday afternoon, according to a press release from the Abbotsford Police Department (APD).
The crash took place just after noon at the intersection of Mt. Lehman Road and Automall Drive, and involved a Dodge Ram pickup truck and a Toyota Camry.
The teen was a passenger in the Camry. She was taken by BC Ambulance to hospital, where she succumbed to her injuries, police say.
The 17-year-old driver of the Camry and the 32-year-old pickup driver remained on scene, and are co-operating with investigators.
The collision is still under investigation, and further details have not been released, including the circumstances of the crash. The name of the victim has also not been released.
“We offer our condolences to the family and friends of the young lady killed in this tragic accident,” said APD Const. Jody Thomas.
Anyone with information about the incident is asked to call the APD at 604-859-5225, text 222973 (abbypd), or call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477.
I would question the circumstances that lead to the accident, an inexperienced/young driver behind the wheel as well, also the mindset of the driver in a big lifted truck rather than blame it on mods
Great. This is the same equivalent of the whole "pitbulls are bad dogs" thing.
Just being an armchair warrior i'm going to say that the speed at which it looks like it hit that truck that regardless of lift or no lift there would have been carnage. That takes a lot of speed for a small car like that to actually inflict any sort of damage on a 1 ton.
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I would question the circumstances that lead to the accident, an inexperienced/young driver behind the wheel as well, also the mindset of the driver in a big lifted truck rather than blame it on mods
I think a lot of them look cool, but there are a few people who aren't following the rules... and I'm very aware in my MR2 Turbo sometimes that the back bumper or front bumper of one of those particular ones if I ever got in an accident with one is going to go through my windshield straight into my face, not hit the front or rear of my car like it should.
I don't think that will affect any determination of him being at fault or not........... however, it will factor heavily into the civil side of the trial that I'm sure will be forthcoming many years down the road.
Great. This is the same equivalent of the whole "pitbulls are bad dogs" thing.
Just being an armchair warrior i'm going to say that the speed at which it looks like it hit that truck that regardless of lift or no lift there would have been carnage. That takes a lot of speed for a small car like that to actually inflict any sort of damage on a 1 ton.
Whatcha mean?
Nothing against them, I used to drive a truck myself but just saying anything is possible. Just saying it shouldn't be blamed on mods. I agree speed was definitely a factor though
Great. This is the same equivalent of the whole "pitbulls are bad dogs" thing.
Just being an armchair warrior i'm going to say that the speed at which it looks like it hit that truck that regardless of lift or no lift there would have been carnage. That takes a lot of speed for a small car like that to actually inflict any sort of damage on a 1 ton.
Whatcha mean?
I'm going to disagree, the height of the bumper of the truck is most likely the reason there was a fatality in this particular accident. If it's bumper to bumper or bumper to fender collision there is way less damage and the passenger most likely isn't eating the bumper which is what looks like happened here.
Look where the bumper is and look at the damage to the pillar and window of the car you can see where it hit. I'm not an accident specialist but that's my opinion.
To be clear I'm not saying crucify the guy in the truck either but if anyone truly believes that there would have been less damage to the other vehicle and specifically to the passenger in this accident if that truck was stock height their fooling themselves.
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I mean we have transport canada regs and the MVA for things like headlight, bumper heights etc for a reason. That's to lower the risk of serious injury in accidents.
Whether or not the mods directly contributed to that girl's death, this guy chose to increase that risk to everyone else by doing those illegal mods. I would say that shows negligence right there, and there should be some repercussions for that.
I'm guessing one of the two vehicles ran a red light at the intersection to the right of the photo setting, causing a t-bone, and momentum carried them over to the merge lane.
Great. This is the same equivalent of the whole "pitbulls are bad dogs" thing.
Just being an armchair warrior i'm going to say that the speed at which it looks like it hit that truck that regardless of lift or no lift there would have been carnage. That takes a lot of speed for a small car like that to actually inflict any sort of damage on a 1 ton.
Whatcha mean?
Wrong. If you're ever behind a tractor trailer, they have these low hanging bars at the rear. Up to certain speeds, those bars are there so people don't underride and die like this. Bumpers and hoods crumple pretty easily. Looks like all the force got focused to a point on the truckbed and into the passenger. Kind of like stepping something with the point of high heels.
Honestly those big trucks scare the hell out me when i'm driving... and I like big trucks. lol When I look into the mirror and all I see is bumper I know I have no chance.
I'm going to disagree, the height of the bumper of the truck is most likely the reason there was a fatality in this particular accident. If it's bumper to bumper or bumper to fender collision there is way less damage and the passenger most likely isn't eating the bumper which is what looks like happened here.
Look where the bumper is and look at the damage to the pillar and window of the car you can see where it hit. I'm not an accident specialist but that's my opinion.
To be clear I'm not saying crucify the guy in the truck either but if anyone truly believes that there would have been less damage to the other vehicle and specifically to the passenger in this accident if that truck was stock height their fooling themselves.
Not disagreeing with you. It's just a slippery slope to have the entire modifying car scene change/vanish as we know it.
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Whether or not the mods directly contributed to that girl's death, this guy chose to increase that risk to everyone else by doing those illegal mods. I would say that shows negligence right there, and there should be some repercussions for that.
And then you're going to set a precedence. What about the 2 way you decided to put on your car with summer tires and drive in the rain on the highway and it locked up and you spun and killed someone? What about your car rubbing and you blow a tire and spin and kill someone? You swapped in a VLSD from a different model and it locks up on the highway (had this happen to someone I know) and you spin and kill someone?
Are they all "wrong"? Yes, but does it happen on the daily and "generally" speaking doesn't cause a problem? Almost every single mod we do to our cars is illegal in some way shape or form. We have it pretty good in Canada for modding cars, if you start that game it won't be as fun anymore.
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Wrong. If you're ever behind a tractor trailer, they have these low hanging bars at the rear. Up to certain speeds, those bars are there so people don't underride and die like this. Bumpers and hoods crumple pretty easily. Looks like all the force got focused to a point on the truckbed and into the passenger. Kind of like stepping something with the point of high heels.
No shit, I drive truck. I'm not saying it didn't aggravate the situation. All I said was that the speed required in order to cause damage from a compact commuter car to a 1 ton diesel (with extra weight) is substantial and I BELIEVE there would still have been major carnage. Death? Who knows I ain't no psychic .
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it will factor heavily into the civil side of the trial that I'm sure will be forthcoming many years down the road.
It's a 17 year old girl with no dependants, the courts aren't going to award the family much (if anything) in the form of general or special damages... and that's assuming that the driver of the truck is found to be at fault.
There is a much better chance that the 17 year old surviving driver would be entitled to general and special damages... though it would be hard to claim much for special damages when you're still in high school.
Having said that, I recall the high school age male that smashed his skull while hanging off a derelict lamp post in Victoria and was left with a severe mental handicap. His family was awarded a couple millions bucks based on claims that he was destined to be a surgeon... though I would suggest the court was merely acting sympathetically given the expected costs of a primary caregiver for the rest of his life.
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speed is a factor for sure,that entire roof is smashed in....was the truck merging somewhere and the smaller car flying in with no care in the world?....The cars computer speed data will tell a story and the trucks data box.
Regardless if the truck was lifted or not,that could've being any commercial vehicles where the height is normal...its a lazy blame for accident that happened til we really know what happened.
if that truck mod is condemned by anyone who lowers their vehicle by more than an inch or two = hypocritical
i'm fine with the local authorities cracking down on those who drastically modify their ride height/wheel contact patch
Whats the point of having a truck lifted that high other than for looks? Judging by the size of the wheels and tires that truck probably couldn't drive over a fucking log.
if that truck mod is condemned by anyone who lowers their vehicle by more than an inch or two = hypocritical
i'm fine with the local authorities cracking down on those who drastically modify their ride height/wheel contact patch
agree somewhat but lowered vehicles = less chance of killing the other person in a collision
Damn the girl got a ram front bumper to the head. RIP
Trailers have mandatory underride guards, i dont see why lifted trucks shouldnt. I drive a cuv and find some of those lifts ridiculous myself. Someone should invent a bolt on underride guard for lifted trucks when theyre on the road.
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