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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 8914960)

What would constitute a bad day as an ATC? Would think most would never be present for a crash etc

People not doing what you ask
Snarky pilots
Planes getting within your comfort zones
30 student pilots in the circuit and trying to get WJ in
Diverting/overshooting planes because you messed up
Rushing planes through the descent because you messed up

They do a lot to make our lives easier, and as such we try and do what it takes to make theirs easier.

I just pulled that out of my ass with no background in ATC but it seems to make sense in my head.

Yea I guess there’s hella stress constantly

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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys (Post 8914948)

^It reminds me of one of the arguments the Truthers used to make to argue against the official story of 9/11:
- There is no way such inexperienced pilots could perform the maneuvers they did, therefore military
- That commercial aircraft were not capable of flying that way and it must be missiles.

There are countless examples, myself included in there, of people flying aircraft with little or no training. He demonstrated with the addition of video games and flight simulators, one can perform complex maneuvers as well. A commercial aircraft is intended to be flown in a manner to keep passengers comfortable. If you have little regard for your own life, or in the case of the hijackers, the lives of passengers and people on the ground, you can push an aircraft to its limits.

His death was similar to one of my favourite death scenes in film/tv: The tv movie remake of On The Beach, when there is no hope left for those in Australia, the last refuse as the nuclear fallout from a global exchange makes it way south. The scientist decides to go out with a bang by taking his Ferrari 355 to a race track to enjoy it one last time, all the while eyeballing a hairy corner. Finally he decides no more holding back and takes that corner as fast as he can with a smile on his face and crashes.

Flying an airplane is one thing. Anyone could do it. Looping it is another. I’ve got close to 10,000 hours, non aerobatic and I still brake the wings off once in a while trying to loop the sim :p. Although it cuts out at the Certified limit, where as I’m betting this guy far exceeded. With Microsoft flight sim, any airplane nerd in the last 20 years could go up and get a plane off the ground.

I'm Going to hell, but that audio was hilarious

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Originally Posted by hud 91gt (Post 8914976)

MSFS... thats so last century

Xplane is where it is :ilied:

I'm more impressed he pulled out of the deep dive, not sure if he throttled down. Some mentioned his prop was feather down alot, lucky to have the plane airborne in the first place.

no one remembers the episode of breaking bad where the traffic controller dad of jessie's girlfriend caused the collision of two planes?

explain how someone with zero experience did not stall in the maneuvers?
simply had enough throttle throughout?

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8915007)

explain how someone with zero experience did not stall in the maneuvers?
simply had enough throttle throughout?

Flying is not difficult, especially if you are just taking it off.

If you have a decent rig and some good hours logged in simulator (yes, modern sims like P3D/X-Plane are THAT close. No button/knobs are omitted in modern sim vs. the real thing), the whole panel should feel just like home. The only exception is that now everything is actually there instead of just using a mouse/keyboard/joystick.

Heck, for some money, you can fly one of those 1:1 simulators that airlines use to train their pilot on. And those are EXACTLY like the real plane as far as controls go.

I meant when he was doing rolls

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8915054)

I meant when he was doing rolls

It's like when we play car sims in Gran Turismo.

Once you get a hand on the control, the rest is quite simple (in a relative sense).

I'm sure the guy had already tried doing rolls in sim, which mimics 99% of real physic if not more. The main difference to do it IRL would be the psychological stress knowing that you are doing it for real. But the dude's mind was snapping already... that stress is the least of his concerns.

I asked a childhood friend who was crazy about flight sims when he was a kid and now a true commercial pilot on the 777/787 about this. And he says if one has gotten familiar enough in sims, he doesn't have any doubt to be able to do it. That's how simulators were designed in the first place and pilots (yes, real ones) practice on sims for rare weather conditions. It wouldn't be helpful if it couldn't mimic the real thing.

He has met fellow crazy flight sim fans who has gotten the operating procedures on 777 better than he does, even after logging hundreds of flights on that thing himself.

I read a whole 744 manual when I was 16 LOL, had E charts and did fuel planning using charts and all.

What computer sims don't simulate well is airplane stress and feedback from the airplane.

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8915007)

explain how someone with zero experience did not stall in the maneuvers?
simply had enough throttle throughout?

Also, the Q400 is overpowered as hell - the plane has over 10,000shp.

Empty, the thing is a rocket ship and it's built sturdy as well.

two air pilots had heart attacks at the same time,passenger was trained on the spot by air tower control on what controls to press for landing....

he landed it.

I’ve definitely had at least one kid come up to the flight deck that knew more technical information then me. Also had one retired guy come up who did too. He had a whole 100% replica simulator built from scratch in his basement. Some people are coo coo.

An empty Q, with zero fuel would be a riot. Enough power and speed I wouldn’t be too worried about stalling. Breaking the wings off mid maneuvers, that’s another story. Ha

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Originally Posted by Mr.Money (Post 8915190)

two air pilots had heart attacks at the same time,passenger was trained on the spot by air tower control on what controls to press for landing....

he landed it.

look mom, no hands and I'm blind too