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As far as disadvantages, on a meta level I can't think of any. On a larger scale, it is holding us back from true enlightenment and advancement of humankind. |
Based on your experiences, sure. But if i went to the DTES today and asked every person i could find who was addicted to a substance, if they believed in God, what do you think that statistic would look like? If i went to Kent or Matsqui and asked every inmate convicted of any form of assault if they had a belief in God when they committed their crimes, What would those statistics likely look like? And do you think our more secularized society today is more enlightened (not advanced but enlightened) than it was say 50 years ago? Do you think society is trending towards enlightenment? |
I don't think guy is saying you cannot have morals without God, he is saying that it is logically inconsistent to have morals without God. For example, evolutionary theory says the strongest shall survive, why then should anyone help the poor or the weak? |
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-us-prisoners/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...o-be-atheists/ Instead of playing mind games and thought experiments, here is some data. |
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As for enlightenment, yes, for sure. The more we learn about the universe, the more enlightened we are. If we just stopped and said hey, we already have everything figured out, it's "god's will", we're going to continue this shit we've been doing for thousands of years. It's only getting better for humans, there has never been such a peaceful, harmonious time in our history. Of course we fucked up the planet in the process so who knows how much longer we'll even be around. |
religious values were considered progressive at a time. religion did help to spread moral values, but some of those values still need to evolve, and that's the issue. we as a society are creating new, more progressive values, but certain religious moral beliefs are trying to push them into regression based on thousand year old beliefs. |
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There can be a happy medium between 'God's plan' and human agency. Those who think that you can do whatever you want and have your whole life planned out are probably under 30 yrs old. |
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The human species figured out long ago that there is strength in numbers. It benefits the individual if everyone worked as a group. Hunting in a group gets a much bigger and more successful kill that will feed everyone in the village. That's where I think basic moral comes from. We live in a time of relative peace because instead of invading a country for their land and resources, it's much more beneficial to just trade with them. If we treat each other well, society as a whole will benefit. Reminds me of one of the original Skeptoid episodes... https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4001 Quote:
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but if those people had some kind of a strong relationship with god before they made their choices, do you not think their outcome may have been different? |
Compared to the past, it's a great time to be alive. Many problems can't be fixed in a generation but I feel like great strides have been made since WWII. However, I guess as people get used to their comfortable lives, they have no actual concept on how to live. There are no survival instincts anymore unless one was faced with a literal life & death situation. We were doing pretty well until social media abuse started happening. It was great around Arab Spring time, not so much around Tide Pod Spring Meadow time. |
Thank you. This is Immanuel Kant's definition of enlightenment: "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity." I'm sorry, but we are, IMO, moving very much in the opposite of enlightenment. Resilience of students has been plummeting. Their are multiple studies showing this. The inability to resolve even simple day to day issues. The maturity level of your average 21y/o today is probably that of a 15 or 16 y/o of 50 years ago. And mental health issues are much more prevalent today than they ever were. IQ levels have also been lowering for the past 30 years. The culture. The music. The entertainment. Even what we consider to be "the news" of our time. Technologically advanced, sure. But far from enlightened |
Too much fake news for someone EleGiggle |
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Sorry about what happened to your mom, I hope she's proud of the conservative, god fearing, son you've become. |
I won't attempt to assume I know what welfare is thinking, but based on this and other of his threads, he is a very confused, easily manipulated person who is really buying into a lot of the shit he comes across on youtube and podcasts. If not, he's playing as a caricature of a scared, loathing "straight" old white man. |
"i could put any book in front of you,you would believe it" |
I see this thread has devolved to the standard issue e-psychology and personal attacks. Gentlemen, thanks for the nuanced discussion. It's been 'enlightening'. |
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Atheist / maybe agnostic? Nobody can prove to me that he exists. I think Ricky Gervais put it brilliantly in this video at the 11:55 mark |
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