Which brings up another point. How many drivers check the treads on their tires? They put on snows thinking it's a magical ticket to successful winter driving.

I've done this, it was not fun LOL.

10 y/o Pilot PSS in the front and 10 y/o Nokian WRG3 in the back.

10/10 would not recommend. Like I said earlier, stopping is much more important. I never spun out, but it was also understeer all day every day.

100% do not do this. I only did because I thought my set of WRG3 (4) was good, but it turns out a pair was broken and I was too broke to buy winters.

Merge this thread into that one maybe?

Only on the front for FWD works pretty good... obviously not the case for just the rears on a rear wheel drive though lol

Can't actually comment on this personally since Ontario doesn't get much snow. Ran the WRs on Kia Soul/Rio. The weakness I noticed was on braking in deep deep snow.

KalTire does seem to note they're a bit weaker in the wet braking department. https://www.kaltire.com/en/tires/nor...ml#testResults

The new WRG4 version (the WR is basically WRG2) seems to do much better in wet braking: https://www.kaltire.com/en/tires/wrg...ml#testResults

Snow tires are actually the worst type of tire for grip in rain/wet conditions. There’s a very thorough video explanation of this on YouTube detailing this I’ll try to find.

Here you go:

The video did not cover low temperatures outside of freezing.The numbers for the snow tires in the wet were at summer temperatures.

Vancouver temperatures are seeing a high of 11C, I think snow tires work best at 7C or lower. Right now, it's best to keep the all seasons on IMO. I used to work at Kal Tire.

https://www.cooperators.ca/en/Answer...intenance.aspx

"When your tires are worn down below 4 mm (5/32”) of tread depth, they shouldn’t be used on snow-covered roads. The grooves in worn tires are shallower, which reduces your wet-braking traction and increases stopping distance."

I'd buy snow tires for the Canada Line if I could

:badpokerface:

maybe she hit a pile of leaves or a slippery patch?

I drove on winters till it got to 15c last spring, it was fine. It gets a bit sticky when its hot but racecar:troll:

The amount of crap they tried to add the last time I bought tires there was crazy. Like charging me for nitrogen filling (which is a total scam anyways), even though I told them I wasn't getting the tires mounted by them.

Plan ahead and you can avoid it. Having your winters on dedicated rims takes up no more storage space than having them loose but your can swap them yourself whenever.

I like Costco for tires because they have the best coverage for road debris tire damage. I used to order tires online a lot but one non-repairable flat cancelled out any savings pretty fast.

I used to have a set of winters that slipped badly on the tar they use to repair cracks in the road.. great traction everywhere else but man I’d almost lose control on that tar at times.

do i buy winter tires?!...did you see those Chinese drivers crashing and Yelling at other drivers on Global BC News Going down a ice covered hill out of control?..
you can't be that stupid not to after witnessing that with a brand new car/suv being hammed with snow dumps and overnight freezing weather :lawl:

I do have a set of winters because I want the best grip possible in summer, so I want summer tires in summer.

As for winter tires in rain... I personally am not too worried about it. My car has potato torque and as long as I don't floor it in 1st, it won't slip.

That said, I wish to find a more rain-focused winter tire next time around. I think I will avoid driving in snow here altogether. I am too afraid of the salt. It always amazes me how they can afford a 60k+ car but cheap out on tires.

Or drivers answering their phones manually in a 70k+ car, because they're too stupid to learn how to pair their phones to the car's audio system.

To be honest, Ive never owned snow tires and I’ve never had a problem in Vancouver or Burnaby or Surrey with a front wheel drive car... and with a SUV such as my dads Toyota Highlander it’s absolute overkill as long as your all seasons are in good shape. A tiny bit of technique and not driving normal speeds like an idiot thinking you can stop the same as regular weather is all you need for yourself driving wise. Outside the lower mainland its a different story of course.

And not sure what the comment about temperatures was for the video I posted if you actually watched it clearly outlined the optimal operating temperatures for each type of tire.

It has to be pretty bad out for a FWD vehicle and a decent driver to have an issue imo.

To add to the Canadian tire BS, kind of a funny story..

I bought Steelers and snow tires separate for wife’s car a few years back and wanted them mounted ASAP so I went to Canadian tire on Lougheed and asked the guy working the counter. Typical CT run around and all these extras charging for valve stems etc it was gonna be like $175 to mount and balance 4 tires, I thought about it for a sec and said k fuck whatever sure.

He went out to the bay doors and opened them and as I was walking out to her car to pull it to the bay and unload the tires I had a change of heart lol..I got in the car and just drove right past him standing there and peace’d Out Lolol ducking CT

booked an appt to fix a flat

they moved it up 2 hrs, no biggie
dropped off my keys and they said it'll take 2 hours...kinda annoyed but ok
they end up taking 3 hours

even though i'm too lazy to do fix-a-flat kit in November, this was not worth my time

at Downtown Costco (Willingdon Costco even though they have crazy lines...things turnaround in about an hour)

in any case, today was a stark reminder that your winters are gonna have to go on soon if you're gonna do it.. -1 temps, frozen water out of your downspouts.... yup...the cold is coming.

As others have already said, it's not a good idea. You don't want your front or rear to have different, unpredictable traction because of different tires on your set up.

I hate it when I see craigslist ads with people selling only 2 snow tires. It's like spreading the danger to others that don't know any better. Sometimes when I'm bored, I troll them and ask them if it's for a motorcycle.

Currently, we are at that awkward period where the temp dips below 7 at night but stays above 7 in the morning. It's not feasible to do tire swaps daily, so I am sticking with winters.

As for having only 2 winter tires... If you have no choice and have to go through with this, remember to always mount the winter tires in the rear regardless of the drivetrain. The idea is that if you lose control, you will more likely have understeer versus oversteer, which is harder to correct(unless you are a pro drifter LOL).

While that's true though, in a RWD, the steering and braking will be compromised, which in a sense, is even more important than worrying about the back end kicking out.

I know you said if you really have no choice, but maybe the best choice is to just not drive if you only have 2 snow tires in a RWD.

Is tirerack still a good deal right now? with exchange rate and all

Only if you dodge the taxes really...

It's not like driving around with winters on above 7*C is going to cause them to instantly fall to pieces. And besides, you're saving wear on your summer tires for when they're actually useful.