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SiRV 09-26-2019 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 8961046)
Are there peer reviewed papers which show a direct causal link between humans and climate change? Last time I looked there wasn't, and all we had was correlation

Climate changes, it used to be a lot hotter than it is now (geologic temperature record)
we're in an interglacial period, it's supposed to warm

You wanna make changes that will make us cleaner and more responsible as a species? great!

Just don't kill my bank account because you've found a way to profit from hysteria


https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Scroll down to the references if you wish.

SiRV 09-26-2019 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8960994)
I've seen just as much evidence contradicting that claim as I have seen proving it.

Your evidence is obviously a joke.

If it wasn't, you would have shared some of your evidence, because I don't see it.

!LittleDragon 09-26-2019 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 8961044)
Ok what's the long list of species that would suffer if we stop the Earth from rising to scorching temperatures? I'm pretty sure the majority of living things on Earth are suited just fine for shit not getting hotter than it currently is.

Seeing as how things die or hibernate every winter and most of the biodiversity lives around the equator, one could conclude that life prefers a warmer climate. Maybe if the planet was warmer, there would be more biodiversity?

But my point was that as a single species on this planet, we shouldn't be making these kinds of decisions. Let nature figure that out.

Great68 09-26-2019 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8961051)
People worrying about their bank accounts is literally going to ruin the future of the human (and many other) species. It blows my mind

The human race is not going extinct.

What's going to happen is that it's going to get harder to live in some parts of the world. A whole wack of people are going to die off, but eventually hit a population equilibrium with what's still possible to sustain life. The people who remain in that equilibrium are likely going to be the most wealthy today and can afford to migrate and pay the inflated costs of living.

It's the days of unchecked, exponential population growth of the human race a la today that's going to be over.

Best thing I can do is make sure my kids are left well off for that new reality.

MarkyMark 09-26-2019 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon (Post 8961060)
Seeing as how things die or hibernate every winter and most of the biodiversity lives around the equator, one could conclude that life prefers a warmer climate. Maybe if the planet was warmer, there would be more biodiversity?

But my point was that as a single species on this planet, we shouldn't be making these kinds of decisions. Let nature figure that out.

As the species who are the cause of it perhaps we should be making the decisions. Letting nature figure out our fuck ups is like saying "let Jesus take the wheel!" to any big problems that we face. Some stuff doesn't just figure itself out. Should we just let cancer and other diseases go unchecked with the hope that in a few thousand years our bodies will naturally adapt to fight it itself? Were at the top of the food chain and it's on us to steer the ship in the right direction.

mr00jimbo 09-26-2019 07:38 PM

I don't deny that we're a huge cause of global warming but I don't believe this "omg we only have TWELVE YEARS to turn it around!"

Haven't scientists been wrong several times over? I mean, how many fucking times should we have run out of oil now? Shouldn't certain cities be underwater by now?

Not saying I don't agree with doing what you can to lessen your impact, but I'm still going to drive my V8 car like the captain of the Titanic going down with the ship.

!LittleDragon 09-26-2019 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 8961064)
As the species who are the cause of it perhaps we should be making the decisions. Letting nature figure out our fuck ups is like saying "let Jesus take the wheel!" to any big problems that we face. Some stuff doesn't just figure itself out. Should we just let cancer and other diseases go unchecked with the hope that in a few thousand years our bodies will naturally adapt to fight it itself? Were at the top of the food chain and it's on us to steer the ship in the right direction.

That's the thing... which is the right direction? We're only guessing. How do we know a warmer planet isn't a greener planet full of plants thriving on the CO2 and a lot more species feeding on these plants. But if we keep thinking in terms of "we" and "us" then keeping things the way they are is the thing to do.

StylinRed 09-26-2019 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SiRV (Post 8961056)
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Scroll down to the references if you wish.

So, no, but they think it's extremely likely

Well that's more than what they had the last time I looked I guess (10 or so yrs ago)

GS8 09-26-2019 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pastarocket (Post 8961022)
When I saw Greta give a stare down of Dotard, that picture showed the great divide between different generations of people in terms of their view of climate change.

I heard that her cold stare lowered the planet's temperature by 2°

corollagtSr5 09-26-2019 08:22 PM

We're just a species living on a rock until something happens like an astroid, ice age, nuclear war, alien invasion or some crap kills us. Doesn't change the fact that this rock is placed just at the right distance from the sun to sustain life. Earth will always regenerate life even if we all end up dying for some reason.

Mr.HappySilp 09-26-2019 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 8961064)
As the species who are the cause of it perhaps we should be making the decisions. Letting nature figure out our fuck ups is like saying "let Jesus take the wheel!" to any big problems that we face. Some stuff doesn't just figure itself out. Should we just let cancer and other diseases go unchecked with the hope that in a few thousand years our bodies will naturally adapt to fight it itself? Were at the top of the food chain and it's on us to steer the ship in the right direction.

It is due to medical advancement that the human race is running into over population, over use of natural resources, over pollution. If we let cancer and other disease due what they were meant to do maybe we wouldn't have all these issues we are having now.

Just saying.

SkinnyPupp 09-26-2019 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 8961063)
The human race is not going extinct.

What's going to happen is that it's going to get harder to live in some parts of the world. A whole wack of people are going to die off, but eventually hit a population equilibrium with what's still possible to sustain life. The people who remain in that equilibrium are likely going to be the most wealthy today and can afford to migrate and pay the inflated costs of living.

It's the days of unchecked, exponential population growth of the human race a la today that's going to be over.

Best thing I can do is make sure my kids are left well off for that new reality.

Note when I say "ruin the future" I don't necessarily mean "go extinct". Humans are a hardy species, and will make do with all types of living conditions. They'll wipe out anything in their path in order to do so (as they always have). Their future is going to be pretty well ruined though, and I don't just mean that it's going to be a bit hotter outside than what we're used to.

All these people who are worried more about attaining extra wealth instead of seeing if they can take action now to make the world a more liveable place (if it's not too late) might be in for a surprise when nations (and their currencies) crash and are suddenly worth much less, or nothing at all.

The point is that many people are overly concerned about attaining excessive wealth, to the point where they ignore science and literally become idiots. And interestingly, generally the richer people are, the more damage to the environment they do. So it's more than twice as bad that people think like this.

welfare 09-26-2019 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SiRV (Post 8961058)
Your evidence is obviously a joke.

If it wasn't, you would have shared some of your evidence, because I don't see it.

https://notrickszone.com/wp-content/...O2-history.png

Do you see a direct correlation between atmospheric co2 and temperature? Because i don't.

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Originally Posted by mr00jimbo (Post 8961065)

Haven't scientists been wrong several times over? I mean, how many fucking times should we have run out of oil now? Shouldn't certain cities be underwater by now?

Just a few times
Spoiler!

If you saw a psychic this many times and they were wrong 100% of those, you'd laugh in their face if they asked for more money. And you'd be a fool to believe them.

Manic! 09-27-2019 12:21 AM

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-war...erature-change

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sites/defa...arctica-v2.jpg

DragonChi 09-27-2019 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8961073)
Note when I say "ruin the future" I don't necessarily mean "go extinct". Humans are a hardy species, and will make do with all types of living conditions. They'll wipe out anything in their path in order to do so (as they always have). Their future is going to be pretty well ruined though, and I don't just mean that it's going to be a bit hotter outside than what we're used to.

All these people who are worried more about attaining extra wealth instead of seeing if they can take action now to make the world a more liveable place (if it's not too late) might be in for a surprise when nations (and their currencies) crash and are suddenly worth much less, or nothing at all.

The point is that many people are overly concerned about attaining excessive wealth, to the point where they ignore science and literally become idiots. And interestingly, generally the richer people are, the more damage to the environment they do. So it's more than twice as bad that people think like this.

... you do know that one of the wealthiest persons in the world is attempting to end our reliance on coal generation, one of the largest co2 emitters on our plant. It will provide reliable power and be orders of magnitudes more productive than all of wind, tidal, geothermal, and solar combined. I'd like to see stats to your points. Unless you were talking about the bitcoin farms that gobbled up loads of coal power, then I see your point.

https://terrapower.com

SkinnyPupp 09-27-2019 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DragonChi (Post 8961091)
... you do know that one of the wealthiest persons in the world is attempting to end our reliance on coal generation[/url]

Some people are good, yes SeemsGood

Those aren't the ones I'm complaining about though.

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Originally Posted by DragonChi (Post 8961091)
Unless you were talking about the bitcoin farms that gobbled up loads of coal power

That would be some of them, for sure SeemsGood

unit 09-27-2019 08:35 AM

these graphs are terrible.. if you guys want to present 'evidence', then you can't show graphs that have time scales of 100s of thousands of years, or millions of years, with peaks and valleys that look sudden but are really gradual.

We're on track to have increased the global temperature by several degrees in just 100 years

welfare 09-27-2019 09:05 AM

Classic deception. Take a tiny sliver of data from the entire scheme and present it as evidence.
There have been periods where co2 was many times higher than what we have today and yet the temperature was similar and even lower than present.
The fact is none of the plethora of past climate models have been correct. And yet for some reason it's now seen as crazy to even question them? Ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by unit (Post 8961096)
these graphs are terrible.. if you guys want to present 'evidence', then you can't show graphs that have time scales of 100s of thousands of years, or millions of years, with peaks and valleys that look sudden but are really gradual.

We're on track to have increased the global temperature by several degrees in just 100 years

No, it's silly to look at an infinitesimally small amount of data when attempting to assume something as complex as variations in climate

!LittleDragon 09-27-2019 09:16 AM


For those not familiar with Patrick Moore, he's a local Ph.D. and one of the founding members of Greenpeace.

Ferra 09-27-2019 09:25 AM

Yea we should totally do something to combat climate change!!
*continue driving solo to work instead of taking public transit
*set air conditioner to 22c during summer, and heat to 23c during winter
*travel 2-3 times a year around the world for vacation
*say I support carbon tax, but get angry when gas prices and energy prices shoot up so I have to pay more at the pump and for utility (whole point of carbon tax is to make energy more expensive so people would use less of it)
*New phone, laptop, pc, clothing every few months
*Owns shit tons of unnecessary things..80% of them end up in trash after 2-3 years
*Consume to excess everyday....steak, wine, cheese. Zero consideration how damaging your food choice is to the planet
*Does nothing to actually help reduce co2, just complain and say climate change bad. Someone else should do something to reduce greenhouse gas.


A bit of a rant but I just think ultimately, our lifestyle and entitlement is the biggest problem.
Can't blame it all on politician, corporation. They are just tools making stuffs we ask for.
If Shell tomorrow say they will produce their gas in a carbon neutral way, but it will cost 50% more. Pretty sure they will go out of business because no one would buy from them.
Same goes for politicians who tax gas to $4/L. High gas price will reduce consumption, promote public transit, carpooling, cycling, etc, but they won't get elected.

Bouncing Bettys 09-27-2019 09:45 AM


hi-revs 09-27-2019 12:00 PM

Cant remember where it read it, but somewhere it said that the girl giving that speech had major anxiety.
Someone hired her as an actor and "transitioned" her anxiety to being climate change, than her own issues. Therefore, it resulted in the "crazy kid" speech that we all saw.

Manic! 09-27-2019 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hi-revs (Post 8961112)
Cant remember where it read it, but somewhere it said that the girl giving that speech had major anxiety.
Someone hired her as an actor and "transitioned" her anxiety to being climate change, than her own issues. Therefore, it resulted in the "crazy kid" speech that we all saw.

Facebook.

pastarocket 09-27-2019 02:10 PM

-saw quite a few families, couples, and students walk along east 10th today towards Vancouver City Hall for the climate strike at 1pm.

One guy held a sign that read "We need a 500 year plan for climate change."

One student's sign read "I love Greta".

hi-revs 09-27-2019 02:45 PM

All these ppl doing the climate change walk doesnt realize they're creating gridlock in the city, where cars are idling much longer than usual...


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