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I have a poppy on my work coat. Wore my hoodie out today and didn’t switch it over. Not everyone you see without a poppy on hasn’t bought one or isn’t thankful for the fallen.
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I have a poppy on my work coat. Wore my hoodie out today and didn’t switch it over. Not everyone you see without a poppy on hasn’t bought one or isn’t thankful for the fallen.
I just find it interesting how conservatives get SUPER offended by blackface... sometimes
If Cherry wants to honor veterans on his hockey intermission show, go ahead. If Cherry wants to rant about immigrants NOT honoring veterans... go ahead, just not on a hockey intermission show.
Don Cherry is a moron who hasn't been relevant in decades, I'm amazed he wasn't sacked ages ago tbh. It's great to tell people to wear poppies but bitching about "you people" is a stupid way to do it.
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Don Cherry is a moron who hasn't been relevant in decades, I'm amazed he wasn't sacked ages ago tbh. It's great to tell people to wear poppies but bitching about "you people" is a stupid way to do it.
exactly, he isn't wrong but the way he said his piece was. it's the finger pointing at minorities that got him fired. lots of people don't wear the poppy for a lot of different reasons. it has nothing to do with the race of said persons. If anything, I'd say it's the younger generations who have sort of lost touch with the sacrifices made for our freedoms.
I just find it interesting how conservatives get SUPER offended by blackface... sometimes
If Cherry wants to honor veterans on his hockey intermission show, go ahead. If Cherry wants to rant about immigrants NOT honoring veterans... go ahead, just not on a hockey intermission show.
Which conservatives have you seen get genuinely offended above and beyond the most common, level-headed, non-partisan reactions to such polictical incorrect things?
When it goes beyond that, it's safe to assume they are adopting the logic and behaviour of their opponent, in order to create equivalencies and point out hypocracy. In the current climate of outrage and cancellation, multiple incidents of blackface should be social/political/career suclicide. Such incidents never seem to have the same outcome depending on who it stands to benefit.
Should also point out that Don never said the word 'immigrants'. Some talk as if he did or as if they know with 100% certainty that he believes immigrants = people of colour.
Which conservatives have you seen get genuinely offended above and beyond the most common, level-headed, non-partisan reactions to such polictical incorrect things?
When it goes beyond that, it's safe to assume they are adopting the logic and behaviour of their opponent, in order to create equivalencies and point out hypocracy. In the current climate of outrage and cancellation, multiple incidents of blackface should be social/political/career suclicide. Such incidents never seem to have the same outcome depending on who it stands to benefit.
Should also point out that Don never said the word 'immigrants'. Some talk as if he did or as if they know with 100% certainty that he believes immigrants = people of colour.
Obviously they're not genuinely offended. That's the point.
What do you want JT to do for doing blackface? He's apologized AFAIK. Do you want him to commit suicide? I don't get why it keeps being brought up, especially in completely unrelated things like Don Cherry being a xenophobic prick.
Should also point out that Don never said the word 'immigrants'. Some talk as if he did or as if they know with 100% certainty that he believes immigrants = people of colour.
His words were "You people, you come here, love our way of life, love our milk and honey" and this was right after he refers to how he goes to small town Canada and sees row upon row of poppies and in downtown Toronto he doesn't see them.
I'm pretty sure that when he says "you come here" that he ain't saying white people.
Racist dog whistles have existed for a long time, it doesn't take a specific mention of a race or a profile (immigrants) to know what people like Don are talking about. He talks about small towns, "tradition", the way things used to be, good old farm boys etc. It's about traditional white Canadians. Don's been a xenophobe since the 80's - railing on Russians, Finns, Swedes, etc so is it any surprise he's now picking on people by skin colour? The ones you don't see in small towns but whom you see plenty of in downtown Toronto? The ones who come from another country?
Most of my life I've tolerated the racism directed towards me, my family and my friends who are minorities. Folks like Don Cherry (and the old white lady living across from me who lives across from me who refers to the neighbours as "those filipinos" and "those Vietnamese") have been openly racist since the 80's when I was glued to Hockey Night in Canada. Times have changed and this bullshit needs to stop.
Obviously they're not genuinely offended. That's the point.
What do you want JT to do for doing blackface? He's apologized AFAIK. Do you want him to commit suicide? I don't get why it keeps being brought up, especially in completely unrelated things like Don Cherry being a xenophobic prick.
Lose his job? Step down? People have had their lives ruined for a lot less these days so what the fuck, let everyone burn.
Lose his job? Step down? People have had their lives ruined for a lot less these days so what the fuck, let everyone burn.
Obviously a lot of people in Canada didn't think it warranted stepping down. People had the chance to FORCE him to step down by electing a different party. They didn't.
So to me the case is pretty much closed. There's no need to keep bringing up a dumb blackface picture, especially in a topic that is about an ACTUAL racist xenophobe who was rightfully fired.
To me it has moreso to do with accepting a liar, criminal, and pro-terrorist prime ministers actions because he has this tongue in cheek apology as opposed to Cherry who has been a long standing advocate for armed forces and since he stands for what he believes in as opposed to coming out with a forced apology he’s the devil.
It speaks to society as a whole, and public opinion. that’s the comparison in the two
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Pro-terrorist? Come on man. You can't expect people to take you seriously when you say dumb shit like that.
The hyperbole people use for their arguments make their decent points on a topic just become irrelevant.
For the record I think Cherry should have been gone long ago, for his own sake. He's a xenophobic guy who was a ticking time bomb to say something stupid like this that would outrage people justifiably, which is unfortunate, as he was really trying to stand up for one group of Canadians that deserve respect. He did that at the expense of another group of people that also deserve respect.
Every fucking person deserves respect, unless they, as an individual, have done something horrible to negate that.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Obviously a lot of people in Canada didn't think it warranted stepping down. People had the chance to FORCE him to step down by electing a different party. They didn't.
So to me the case is pretty much closed. There's no need to keep bringing up a dumb blackface picture, especially in a topic that is about an ACTUAL racist xenophobe who was rightfully fired.
That's my point, the PEOPLE of Canada voted on it, not just the loudest goofs who use the internet.
I'm so sick of reading "So and so said this and the internet is OUTRAGED" like the internet is indicative of what the majority of people are thinking.
What evidence does Cherry have for saying that immigrants don't buy poppies. It's not about poppies. It's about him saying that immigrants don't give a shit about the armed forces.
Two good takes on Don Cherry. tl;dr: he was a racist and has been for a long time and the people in power pretended it wasn't true for as long as they could.
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First of all, I don't like Don Cherry at all.
However, that guy is so pro Canada. So proud to be a Canadian. I respect anyone who has passion about their country like he does.
What he said had nothing to do with poppies.
What he should have said was..........
"You fucking people, you come here, love our way of life, love our milk and honey, take advantage of our healthcare system, protection, etc. etc. etc............... give our veterans some respect. It was because of them, you have this kind of lifestyle."
As for apologizing. What the fuck for? He said what he said and he's sticking to it. He's no chicken shit. I'm glad he's sticking to his guns. And yeah, thanks Ron McLean, for throwing him under the bus. Dude could have said something like, "Don is very passionate and his passion blinded him. I hope people can see the goodness in him, instead of reacting so harshly and attacking - he wasn't thinking with his mind, but ............. nah, that's not gonna fly.
Yeah, firing him on this day is totally not cool. Giving in to snowflakes and whining bitches.
I love the Huawei comment............. so true. Oh well, it is what it is. Money talks, bullshit walks.
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However, that guy is so pro Canada. So proud to be a Canadian. I respect anyone who has passion about their country like he does.
By nearly any standard Don Cherry is, and always has been, a terrible Canadian. He's got a decades long record of being a racist and sexist - neither of which, as far as I'm aware, are Canadian values. If I'm wrong, point me in the right direction so I can declare him a great Canadian. As far as I can tell he's just a modern day John A. McDonald, our racist first Prime Minister. I put up with people like him as a child and a young man because I thought that's how it was but I'm tired of this kind of shit being passed off as "passion" when it's nothing more than racism.
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In a 1990 CBC interview, Cherry proudly proclaimed himself to be a nationalist, and proposed to start a political party for people who are “ticked off at the foreigners coming over earning the dough.” In 1998, Cherry criticized Canadian Olympic flag-bearer Jean-Luc Brassard and called Quebecers “a bunch of whiners” just three years after the Quebec independence referendum.
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Cherry became a founding owner of the Mississauga IceDogs, a Canadian major junior ice hockey team. For the club’s first three seasons, Cherry boycotted the OHL’s import draft and barred the team from fielding any European players.
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In 2004, CBC put “Coach’s Corner” on a seven-second delay after Cherry went on a rant about how most NHL players who wear visors “are Europeans and French guys.” It was in line with more than a decade of public comments in which the flamboyant former coach called for hockey to be as violent and as English-speaking as possible.
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What he said had nothing to do with poppies.
What he should have said was..........
"You fucking people, you come here, love our way of life, love our milk and honey, take advantage of our healthcare system, protection, etc. etc. etc............... give our veterans some respect. It was because of them, you have this kind of lifestyle."
That's pretty much what he said.
Are you denying that he's a racist? If yes, are you denying his decades long record of being one or are you saying that it's not racist to want to start a Nationalist political party that keeps the immigrants out or to call out on national TV that "you people" (immigrants) for not respecting veterans the same way the small town boys (white people) do?
If you're not denying he's a racist are you saying it's ok for him to be one? If it's ok for him to be one, what kind of platform should such a person get? One on weekly national TV on a show that's an institution of our country?
For those who have spent a lifetime dealing with racism of the same type that he espouses what do you say to those people? My mother in law who was told to "go back where you came from" in a Home Depot?
Can you also provide me with tips on how I can be more Canadian by being more like Don? My immigrant parents want to know how I'd like that they were never admitted to the country.
The Canada that Don Cherry is proud of is a Canada that most of us are not welcome to be a part of.
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