I would assume your probably correct. I do believe his opinion was just from the fact the Americans like to strong arm everything they can for their own goal. It’s been going on for decades, terrorist this, terrorist that. It wouldn’t be far fetched to see the truth get bent.

Newsweek saying it was shot down by Iran.
https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-sh...ources-1481313

Your post is an example of why the American government behaves so poorly. Not everything needs to be a snap reaction on twitter.
We were watching a literal war unfold through social media comments because someone who’s supposed to be the leader of one of the worlds superpowers is a child with a phone having a fucking temper tantrum and his moronic fan base eat it up.
The president of the US threatened literal war crimes on Twitter, and it’s because the public wants “the leader to be more vocal.”

CNN also reporting that it was shot down mistakenly..

Shooting down a comercial airline “by mistake” leaving an international airport..

Seems like a great place, must visit, will return

Canadian investigators joining in the investigation with Iran and the Ukrainian team, the Ukrainian team is already on the ground.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/01...e-plane-crash/

gonna be interesting since US took down that Iran plane back in 88

and the fact the plane was built in the US with a military contract of some sorts no?

I'd be wary trusting us intelligence reports and media for the moment about this

I'm not shitting on the victims but the situation needs to be used as a lesson. Sorry if reality offends you. I'm gutted for these people and their families because (IF shot down) this was totally avoidable. Like I said, the airline shouldn't have allowed that aircraft to take off and as hud 91gt stated the passengers trusted it was good to go (he's an airline pilot BTW).

Are people's memories of major events that short?

Yah but come on man... you expect with everything travel related, especially the airline industry, that the powers to be do their due diligence including air traffic controllers, crew, maintenance staff, baggage handlers, execs at the airline you're flying on... everything is done in faith and trust when you use such services. You think everyone on that flight was a moron who didn't know what's going on? You're so advanced in your predictive abilities you would say "I don't think anything is going to be done right and this plane will get shot down, I'm going to de-plane or not get on it!" I highly, highly doubt it. Also, how many other planes took off and landed during that time? Dozens if not more? Are all those plane operators and passengers stupid too? Tehran isn't exactly a small airport, it's got 58,000 annual plane movements or 158 per day. Absolutely nothing happened around that time to suggest that this particular flight was any more dangerous than any others around it.

And even you do avoid the flight. Then what? You drive to another country's border? This isn't like you're in Seattle for the weekend and you can just book a hotel or whatever. Things are super regimented in shithole countries for how long you stay and where you can go/stay... roads don't exist... border crossings by land are impossible because of visa issues or blockades with other countries.

It's super easy to be the "I told you so" guy after you already know what happened.

radar & satellite data suggests it was shot down

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates...tream-updates/

Iran says this is propaganda

our PM is holding a news conference in a few min for rs member Ludepower

In b4 no mention of being shot down by turd

Is an airline from a not so wealthy country like Ukraine really going to say no money from desperate people trying to leave? Or perhaps they knew from experience how dangerous flying can be in these situations and thought who better to help these people. Maybe they had that that they are civilian and therefore untouchable like the mentality of the woman in revealing clothing walking in a dangerous neighbourhood having the expectation not to be raped. We will have to wait and see and hope Iran cooperates.

LOL that's pretty much the same as those saying "I'm not a racist, but (insert ethnicity) people....."

What the F are you talking about.

The possible motives behind the Ukrainian airline to fly a civilian aircraft in the airspace of a war zone. I was of the understanding that other aviation authorities had stopped all flights in the area. If we can discuss the passengers and their reasons for flying, why not the airline?

Here is the aircrafts flight path on FlightRadar:
https://i.imgur.com/hYlIoM5.jpg

US military saying now they have identified two launches in the vicinity of PS752, brutal :(

That's easy to say when you have money and time to spare. Even if you have the money you now have to find a later flight (since there's no other way out of there), find somewhere to stay, and hope that things don't deteriorate further in the meantime. Given the current political climate that seems like a pretty likely to happen, so you're risking being completely stuck in the country. On top of that if someone's Visa expires before they're able to leave I've heard that sort of thing goes down really well in the Middle East.

I hope you live a long and full life JD13, but if you do die in an accident, I will try not to go over a list of seemingly (to me, from my ivory tower) obvious measures that I surmise you should have taken beforehand to have prevented it happening........................

These people are DEAD man! Do you not think that the victims and their families would prefer to be alive and deal with those hardships than the alternative?! What a truly stupid statement, get some perspective.

EDIT:
Using 'stupid' was a poor and insensitive choice of words on my part. I was genuinely angry when I wrote that post because of how avoidable the scenario was. I apologize for that statement.

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/st...967174656?s=19
Edit: Video is of the 2nd missile hit apparently.
Pretty interesting analysis of the video. The second link really ices it I think.
https://twitter.com/bellingcat/statu...295653379?s=19

they just gave away that guy's position :heckno:

video is out - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html



survived the hit but later got compromised by the damage,it had enough to turn back to the airport but fell to pieces...imo the fuel had to be leaking after.


by mistake?...how the fuck? :rukidding: whoever was in charge of the air defense need to be sentenced to death.

100% missle by that vid if there was any doubt.

Like I said in my last post, how the fuck can it be a mistake when you’re firing AA rockets at the flight path of departing planes from your main airport..

The demographic of the casualties certainly indicate it was a mistake. Iran certainly isn’t proving a point against the US other than complete combat incompetence by killing a bunch of Ukrainians, Canadians and their own citizens.

Now we are in a position where the military actions by our closest ally has resulted in the death of 63 of our citizens. And that’s a really, really fucking big deal.

This tweet certainly raises eyebrows: https://twitter.com/HassanRouhani/st....1578385178334

The AA batteries would have been on the highest alert anticipating American aircraft. There are a lot of factors here, and they would have been tracking anything in the sky within range. It could have been something as simple as PS752 squawking the wrong code, or identifying, and the launch may have actually been automatic. Those are details we will probably never know. It doesn't change the outcome for the victims but there's a big difference for the families between an accident and a mistake. It's a very sad and angering situation.