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Vancouver is almost the super car capitol of the world, yet how many of them get tracked?

The f150 is the best selling vehicle ever. 95% of them will never see a trailer. Diesel trucks still exist for hauling, nothing is being lost by offering electric to the masses.

I did my hours walk at the oval in Ladner. Out of the countless trucks (all brands), only 5 had trailers. And remember Ladner is a mostly white area, near many farms, marina’s, near the landfill etc. Only 5 trailers out of the hundreds of trucks that passed. So maybe 1%?

Yea like these 800+ Hp super/hyper cars being driven 30 feet between red lights on Broadway

But..but..your truck doesn’t have a trailer connected!!!

Lol

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9027930)

It’s no different than why it will be a generation or more before things like excavators, dump trucks etc. Will be EV if ever

The torque and power required is just too much. Big 300+ excavators are just screaming when you’re really into the mess digging hard pan, moving rocks etc. There’s no way in hell you could create a machine that made any sort of sense or had any long term efficacy. Time is money in the construction industry and you can’t be swapping batteries or taking down time to charge.

Same goes for these electric semis etc. The fuel savings are being negated by the downtime you lose in charging

For electric semis it depends on the location and route.

I have a family member who runs a large trucking company that hauls lumber from the Island to the mainland and an electric semi would be perfect.

One of my customers drives for a wholesaler that we use. His job is to pick up loads from the dock at night and take them to the warehouse. Perfect for an electric truck.

Rumor is Walmart has ordered 4 Tesla semis for the Island to test with. Driving from a warehouse to Walmart stores across the the Island again would be perfect for an electric truck.

Vancouver docks would also be another great place to use electric trucks.

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Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 9027938)

I know lots of people who keep their trailer or boat stored at a yard during the months they don't use it because they don't want it taking up space at their house, of they have nowhere to keep it at their townhouse etc.

Owning a truck doesn't necessarily mean using it as one year round.

Okay? So those guys won't buy a first gen electric F150 then. Shitloads of people do nothing but commute in their vehicles by themselves, this'll work just fine for them.

Don't get me wrong, I think if this takes out the people who pavement pound trucks around town for image or the occasional dump run that's great.

But I think we're underestimating the number of those that have the use-case for actual long distance truck use, whether they truly need it, or just simply want that capability it on tap.

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Originally Posted by EvoFire (Post 9027933)

Can you elaborate on what's outdated about them? I understand testing takes time and by the time most vehicles are for sale for the first year, they are already outdated in terms the latest tech available.

A few of my old coworkers went to go work for Ford.... can't say my picture is complete but here's what I've gathered.

When I say obsolete, it's mostly relating to the batteries: layout, placement, structure, management, etc.

The MachE and Transit E are both on GE2.
Cells are purchased from LG and assembled in house.
The low production numbers for MachE (50k) is due to cell supply limitations.
Let's call this 1st gen battery architecture.

The F150 Lightning is on its own bespoke architecture with SK Cells.
SK is in legal hot water right now.

New EV Edge/Nautilus are going to be on another new architecture with cells from a diff supplier.

All three of these are on an old battery architecture already... new models after MY23 will have a new battery architecture (4th gen).

Ford's spent a TON of money to be able to iterate quickly and try to catch up (i.e. why Wall Street has been fairly dissatisfied with financial results, these long bets take a while to pan out).

Use of VW MEB and Rivian's architecture was mostly short term stuff to try to appease Wall Street while they were working on Mach E/F150 Lightning internally. Rivian will likely be an EV Navigator, MEB will likely be used for EU models.

At the end of the day these are basically city trucks

This vehicle has to be the winner for underutilized vehicle per dollar award. F150 is not even close.
G63 AMG Wagon at north of $250K. Lots of them in Richmond picking up kids from school.

https://images.craigslist.org/00k0k_...pO_600x450.jpg

G wagon may take the winner for all time in fact lol

I think Ford whos been making trucks longer than anyone else, knows their target demo

it’s seen rigorous testing:

this is not some tech company winging it, there will of course be limitations as with any gen 1 product and you gotta start somewhere (very impressive feature set for the price) but you’d be stupid not to cash in on the hype and demand spurred from the cyber truck

Municipalities better step up their charging infrastructure.

^ Agree, the charging network is a huge dealbreaker. Thus why Tesla still wins

I laugh at electric truck haters. Not for you? Then don't buy it. The ridgeline came out and it's half a truck at best, no one's forcing you to buy that either, yet they still have sales.

american rednecks running their diesel engines rich have left the chat

Interestingly, I had some sort of new-ish looking Ford truck rolling up right behind me while I was waiting at a traffic light, and the thought of it (the truck) not stopping and steamrolling over my itty bitty sub-2400 lbs shxtbox flash through my mind. The F150 Lightning is a freaking 6500 lbs beast. I better make sure I don't ever get into an accident with one of them. (Or for that matter, with any modern truck since I think a regular ICE F150 is still in the 5000 lbs range.)

would there be opportunities for canadians to buy from south of the border and importing it back if the markup in canada doesn't make sense?

will ford manufacture them in the US?

How much shrinkage will it have in the cold? Speaking about the range of course.

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9028029)

When I had my F150 I got rear ended at a light by a car. I felt it but wasn't that terrible no injuries for me, damage to my truck was the bumper, it got bent upward a little as the car went into and under. The car, complete write off, entire front end torqued, hood bend like a V higher than the roof of the car and fenders pushed into the doors. I couldn't believe the damage to this car compared to my truck.

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Originally Posted by GLOW (Post 9028032)

would there be opportunities for canadians to buy from south of the border and importing it back if the markup in canada doesn't make sense?

will ford manufacture them in the US?

Made in Michigan. All trucks sold in the US are made in the US because of the chicken tax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

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The Chicken Tax is a 25 percent tariff on light trucks (and originally on potato starch, dextrin, and brandy) imposed in 1964 by the United States under President Lyndon B. Johnson in response to tariffs placed by France and West Germany on importation of U.S. chicken.[1] The period from 1961–1964[2] of tensions and negotiations surrounding the issue was known as the "Chicken War", taking place at the height of Cold War politics.[3]

Eventually, the tariffs on potato starch, dextrin, and brandy were lifted,[4] but since 1964 this form of protectionism has remained in place to give US domestic automakers an advantage over competition (e.g., from Japan, Turkey, Australia, South Africa, Brazil, Argentina, China, and Thailand).[5] Though concern remains about its repeal,[6][7] a 2003 Cato Institute study called the tariff "a policy in search of a rationale."[4]

As an unintended consequence, several importers of light trucks have circumvented the tariff via loopholes, known as tariff engineering. For example, Ford, which was one of the main beneficiaries of the tax, also evaded it by manufacturing first-generation Transit Connect light trucks for the US market in Turkey; these Transits were fitted-out as passenger vehicles, which allowed Ford to evade the Chicken tax when the vehicles passed customs in the US. The Transits were stripped pre-sale of their rear seats and seatbelts, at a Ford warehouse near Baltimore.[1] Similarly, to import cargo vans built in Germany, Mercedes disassembled fully-completed vehicles and shipped the components to "a small kit assembly building" in South Carolina, where they were reassembled.[8] The resulting vehicles emerged as locally manufactured, free from the tariff.

made at this plant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_River_Rouge_Complex

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The Ford River Rouge Complex (commonly known as the Rouge Complex, River Rouge, or The Rouge) is a Ford Motor Company automobile factory complex located in Dearborn, Michigan, along the River Rouge, upstream from its confluence with the Detroit River at Zug Island. Construction began in 1917, and when it was completed in 1928, it was the largest integrated factory in the world, surpassing Buick City, built in 1904.

It inspired the Île Seguin Renault factory in 1920,[3] the GAZ factory built in the 1930s in the Soviet Union, as well as the later Hyundai factory complex in Ulsan, South Korea, which was developed beginning in the late 1960s. Designed by Albert Kahn, River Rouge was designated as a National Historic Landmark District in 1978 for its architecture and historical importance to the industry and economy of the United States.[4]

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Originally Posted by toyota86 (Post 9028033)

How much shrinkage will it have in the cold? Speaking about the range of course.

no idea but...

Spoiler!

That 300 mile range is a EPA rating with 1000 pounds in the back and it was a plug for 240 volt.

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Originally Posted by quasi (Post 9028036)

It's called the crumple zone for a reason