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Apparently the issue was that they could no longer keep people in the stands as they couldn't force staff needed to run the event and do the critical stuff to stay any longer. That IS understandable, but they should have made a call kick everyone out MUCH sooner, like immediately after FP1.
Not have people sitting and waiting for hours for a delayed FP2 and then realizing "Shit we're not going to be able to keep people here".
They seriously have to refund money for any and all of last night's tickets if they want any recovery from this.
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11-17-2023, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pastarocket  FIA should cancel the penalty against the Ferrari. Although I am not a fan of Ferrari, it is unfair to put a 10 place grid penalty on that team when it is an obstacle on the track, an external factor, which Ferrari cannot control.
How the heck does the top level of motorsport not put more effort into addressing safety issues on a track to ensure that all drivers are safe?
This incident is an embarrassment to F1. Turning the Vegas Grand Prix into Mario Kart. 
Do track marshals not do a track walk to identify any track obstacles?
FIA should cancel the penalty. There needs to be changes to the rulebook. External factors such as loose drains, other track obstacles that damage a car should not result in grid penalties for all teams in future races.
It cost a fortune to repair the damages to Ferrari's car. | Not sure if you didn't read my post, but they literally can't. There is no rule that allows them to do this, and you can't change the rulebook mid-season. Trying to do so would launch an immediate protest from the other teams.
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11-17-2023, 03:36 PM
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Honestly in the grand scheme of things, this has happened in the past and more than anything, if there's any blame to be passed around it should sit with the FIA and F1 for not having any regulations in place for incidents that involve track irregularities such as this.
The fact that there isn't a way to mitigate the financial repercussions for damage to a car for a very track-specific problem is ridiculous. If this happened to Williams, they'd be broke.
Hats off to Liberty Media though, it's no small feat to turn Vegas into a street circuit; I'm sure that the drama from FP1 will only help strengthen the fanbase here in NA.
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11-17-2023, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 Not sure if you didn't read my post, but they literally can't. There is no rule that allows them to do this, and you can't change the rulebook mid-season. Trying to do so would launch an immediate protest from the other teams. | All the teams, except for one ("one who is in the fight for P2") tried to make a case for giving Ferrari an exemption to the rule.
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11-17-2023, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sonick All the teams, except for one ("one who is in the fight for P2") tried to make a case for giving Ferrari an exemption to the rule. | Right, so you see the exact problem? There is big money at stake for championship standings.
Like I said in an earlier post, hopefully they'll change this for the future. Right now, unfortunately they have to live with it.
This is no different from FIFA changing the rules around when a ball hits a referee and results in a possession change leading to a major scoring chance or goal in 2019... Up until then a ref was considered part of the "field of play" and if the ball bounced off him and into the net, that was life and had to be accepted. After the rule change, play is now stopped and a drop ball is given.
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11-17-2023, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 Right, so you see the exact problem?
Like I said in an earlier post, hopefully they'll change this for the future. Right now, unfortunately they have to live with it.
This is no different from FIFA changing the rules around when a ball hits a referee and results in a possession change leading to a major scoring chance in 2019... | Fair but pointing out that it's moreso about the rulebook and the ruling body not wanting to set a precedent by making an exception (not should they) and less because the other teams would protest Ferrari from getting the exemption.
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11-17-2023, 03:59 PM
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11-18-2023, 08:12 AM
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After all the trash talking etc. kinda figured this would be a big shit show but watching the qualifying last night, man this is a cool track
That shot of the track running up the strip is incredible, and that last sweeping corner is crazy. Hopefully see a good race tonight
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11-18-2023, 09:19 AM
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Maybe just the way the camera pans and also limitations of street circuits, but it feels very Singapore.
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11-18-2023, 05:26 PM
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I don’t think Ferrari will be able to top Max once they are actually racing but would nice to see Ferrari compete if they can find speed on the straights
Also would love to see Sargeant do somthing
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11-18-2023, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by EvoFire Maybe just the way the camera pans and also limitations of street circuits, but it feels very Singapore. | They didn't make it showy enough with the lighting of most of the buildings. Minus the sphere and a couple of buildings here and there it doesnt even look like its in Vegas. I was expecting them to have rainbow colours projecting into the sky everywhere and every building lit like it was Cyberpunk or something.
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11-18-2023, 09:13 PM
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Lando Norris crashes out during lap four.
Back end of his McLaren car just went out from him.
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11-18-2023, 10:28 PM
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-got a good laugh from hearing Mercedes radio during the race “George, go for P4”.
The race announcers were surprised to hear that radio message.
Mercedes forgot about the 5 second penalty to Russell after his car hit Verstappen. 
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11-18-2023, 10:36 PM
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LeClerc had a really good race. -got second place with a superb move on Perez on the last lap.
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11-18-2023, 11:14 PM
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Watched the race without audio at a bar but even then really exciting entertaining race
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11-19-2023, 01:35 AM
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What a move by Chuck on the last lap!
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11-19-2023, 07:06 AM
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Stopped watching Vegas after Max got basically no penalty and talked shit on the radio about it. I watch a lot of sports and don't often get mad at athletes, but fuck I hate that arrogant little cunt.
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11-19-2023, 07:27 AM
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Great race! Silenced a lot of the hate it was getting (which IMO was so dumb).
The penalty Max received was consistent with what would have been applied to any other driver in the same situation. Yeah he's just faster so he overcame it.
Unless people think scaling penalty severity with the speed of someone's car would be more fair.
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11-19-2023, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Great68 Great race! Silenced a lot of the hate it was getting (which IMO was so dumb).
The penalty Max received was consistent with what would have been applied to any other driver in the same situation. Yeah he's just faster so he overcame it.
Unless people think scaling penalty severity with the speed of someone's car would be more fair. | I've seen drivers have to give the spot back up if they overtake by pushing someone off the track. I don't know how they choose how much to penalize them
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11-19-2023, 08:38 AM
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Considering Lewis had the incident at turn one and the puncture, he really had a strong race. If it hadn't been for either of those, he would have been fighting for a podium.
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11-19-2023, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp I've seen drivers have to give the spot back up if they overtake by pushing someone off the track. I don't know how they choose how much to penalize them | The 5 second penalty hurt him more than just giving the spot back. Max would have won by a bigger margin, at least the 5s put him further back in the field and he had to work for the win.
One of the better races of the year, I think it highlights the need for f1 cars to have less grip and braking performance.
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11-19-2023, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp I've seen drivers have to give the spot back up if they overtake by pushing someone off the track. I don't know how they choose how much to penalize them | They explained that the race directory and stewards don't actually tell teams/drivers to give places back, they leave that for the teams/drivers to decide.
If they don't give the place back then the incident is referred to the stewards who decide if there was a penalty. If they find there was, that's when they apply the time penalty.
In the end I agree with Vancouver240sx, it really made no difference to the overall race. Ferrari's mistake was not pitting Leclerc at the second safety car.
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11-19-2023, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 They explained that the race directory and stewards don't actually tell teams/drivers to give places back, they leave that for the teams/drivers to decide.
If they don't give the place back then the incident is referred to the stewards who decide if there was a penalty. If they find there was, that's when they apply the time penalty.
In the end I agree with Vancouver240sx, it really made no difference to the overall race. Ferrari's mistake was not pitting Leclerc at the second safety car. | It doesn't matter anyway, because the point is he's a cunt
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11-19-2023, 04:12 PM
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Max should have gotten at least a 10 second penalty, something with teeth. All that Max has learnt is that he can keep doing these stupid things and outrun the penalty so it is meaningless. Give him a stop an go or something with teeth as the guy keeps doing stupid shit like this.
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11-20-2023, 07:03 AM
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Nah sorry, the severity of the offence should dictate the assigned penalty. This is fair.
This was a 5 second in-race penalty all day long for any driver that would have done it.
Chronic offenders are dealth with by the driver penalty point system, Max received two points on his license for this one. If he "does this shit all the time" then he should be racking up those penalty points.
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