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Old 01-17-2023, 01:15 PM   #51
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I’m talking out of my ass as I’ve never driven, nor sat in any super car. But the overwhelming opinion is it’s slow? How much power do you need? It’s still 400ho in a light chassis with a Lotus driving experience??? Seems like plenty to me! But I’ve never been a magazine racer. Lol
I've only been in a Huracan and a 488 GTB to drive them for a couple laps around a track but to me the straight line speed was the least exciting aspect of it. And you definitely can't properly use that kind of power on the street. 400hp is going to be plenty of fun in that thing.
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I’m talking out of my ass as I’ve never driven, nor sat in any super car. But the overwhelming opinion is it’s slow? How much power do you need? It’s still 400ho in a light chassis with a Lotus driving experience??? Seems like plenty to me! But I’ve never been a magazine racer. Lol
Anyone who thinks the Emira or anything like it is slow has no realistic idea of what they are talking about -- or in your words -- they are magazine racing. The car is already effortlessly fast. And supposedly, handling and the overall driving experience should be the Emira's forte, not outright maddening speed.

Mind you, the Emira is supposed to be in the 3500 lbs range, and that is actually a good bit heavier than the Cayman GTS 4.0. (I think the Cayman GTS 4.0 is in the 3100 lbs range.)

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Anyone know if you can test drive all the Cayman's? Or does Porsche tell you to gtfo as well lol.
Back in 2021, I was actually able to book some Boxster / Cayman test drives in the pre-owned department with both Porsche Vancouver and Porsche Langley. The problem at the time was -- even the dealerships didn't have any used Cayman/Boxster in stock. I think their used inventory is a lot more plentiful now, even though their new car allocations are a lot more difficult to come by.

IMO, the main issue with being able to secure a test drive is your need to show legitimate interest (in buying). As much as I enjoy test driving different cars, I no longer think it is worth my time (or the sale person's time) if I have no interest in actually buying the car. If you just want to try the car out without any intent to buy, there are lots of other avenues where this could be done.
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It’s fast like a miata is fast.

Lol saying it’s “fast” because of the handling characteristics and then saying hundreds of more horsepower potential can never be realized on the streets? I’d say you’re far more likely to say the 700hp car is fast than a car that can weave through the mountains and have you say “oh actually this is fast” lol

400HP is not a fast car and for the price, this is an incredibly niche market. The modern day Prowler? Lol

Paying this much for this car you’re getting like, the worst of multiple facets of an automobile
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It’s fast like a miata is fast.

400HP is not a fast car and for the price, this is an incredibly niche market. The modern day Prowler? Lol

Paying this much for this car you’re getting like, the worst of multiple facets of an automobile
What do you daily/drive on weekends? Or fastest cars you've driven?

I feel like "fast enough" is so subjective to the persons access to hp. My friends who daily 380-450hp cars find it fast, but not exciting anymore by the speed. They hardly step on it. Those who have AMGs or work at a dealership isn't excited by anything sub 500-600hp lol.

My fast is anything 400hp+ cause I haven't really driven anything fast yet, I refuse to drive anything faster than I can afford lol.
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Daily drive G37x

Fastest cars - Aventador, 488, GT3, Taycan, C6 z06, GTR

Some on a track some on the streets. Aventador is a bus, feels so heavy it feels slow even with 700+ but some cars like the GT3, z06 etc. feel bordering on out of control they feel so fast
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The G37x was fast af back in the day and still fast imo now lol. I think once people drive the GT3 / Z06, everything else becomes back to slow. Note to self, never drive them or sit in them.
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The G37x was fast af back in the day and still fast imo now lol. I think once people drive the GT3 / Z06, everything else becomes back to slow. Note to self, never drive them or sit in them.
You get used to the power. I thought 444hp was fast af back in the day. Now I'm just used to it. It's still more than fast enough but it doesn't "thrill" like it used to.
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G37 feels faster than a 300hp car imo. The gearing def makes it feel a bit sportier than comparable vehicles, if it was a bit lighter would feel much more agile

But yea it’s like anything, you get used to it overtime and it becomes the norm. The aforementioned vehicles I mentioned though, especially the GT3, I only drove it for an incredibly short time but I don’t think there would ever be a time where it wouldn’t feel like a race car
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G37 feels faster than a 300hp car imo. The gearing def makes it feel a bit sportier than comparable vehicles, if it was a bit lighter would feel much more agile

But yea it’s like anything, you get used to it overtime and it becomes the norm. The aforementioned vehicles I mentioned though, especially the GT3, I only drove it for an incredibly short time but I don’t think there would ever be a time where it wouldn’t feel like a race car
Until you drive the GT3 everyday to and fro work
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14 HP less but 100KG less in weight compared to a V8 R8 seems good to me. Also comes in a manual.
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Anyone know if you can test drive all the Cayman's? Or does Porsche tell you to gtfo as well lol.
The Sales Manager at Porsche Vancouver told me in Oct that test drivers are just a drive around the block for their cars now - even the used ones. I think he meant for folks who had already driven a version of that car already since this was after I returned my rental Boxster as I wanted to try a manual 718. I imagine if you're a first time driver and you're genuinely interested that they'd let you drive to Science World and back. Ha. For what it's worth I was introduced to the GM by a friend of mine who's good friends with the GM and who has referred business to them - that didn't get me any further up the line, I'm still an ankle biter to them.
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400hp with around 3000lb is very good power to weight ratio and I feel is sufficient for a street car. More than enough speed and fun for the masses.

600 with 3000lb is like a dream. Just the right amount where it’s crazy quick get you can still reel it back in (on sticky rubber of course like Cup2)

700s with 3000 or so + is just insane. Too much car going on for the street.

Cars for reference: GT3, GT4, GT3RS, 675LT, 600LT, 720S, 765LT, 488GTB, 458, F12, MP4-12C, R8 V10 plus, Huracan, Gallardo Superlggera , Alfa 4C, TT-RS, Nissan GT-R (stock tune) , GT-R (1200+WHP build) …. What else….

Emira is the last of the breed: lighter weight, 3 pedals and a manual box, so last of the non hybrid electric offering available today, so jump on one if you can!
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Damn, you guys need 400hp for the street? How fast you guys drive? Are you guys taking corners at like 200km/h? Lol.
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I think at some point you expect a min HP for a cost, or even a badge

Who would buy an M3 with 250HP
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Who would buy an M3 with 250HP
HP is only a dick measuring contest. actual performance is what matters. The Ariel Atom starts at 80k US and has only 320 HP.
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i would if it was light enough. like 800 lbs lighter

The emira has a higher power to weight than a new M4
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Damn, you guys need 400hp for the street? How fast you guys drive? Are you guys taking corners at like 200km/h? Lol.
Car forums make me believe that people take right turns at like 50KM/hr and left turns at 70 - 80KM.

I'm sure you can probably go higher, but I've never tried lol. I think my S2000 would slide out at a 50KM/hour right turn lmao.
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My wife who was a late driver started driving an old pos ford ranger, then onto an Elantra, and now DD’s the g37. Outside of all the creature comforts a more luxurious vehicle provides she also really appreciates the ability to step on the gas and actually get out of scenarios which she’d likely be stuck in with the Elantra etc. she’s the opposite of a dangerous driver but having a bit of power to maneuver out of situations isn’t a bad thing
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If it was a 2200lb 250hp E30 M3, I’d buy it.
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My wife who was a late driver started driving an old pos ford ranger, then onto an Elantra, and now DD’s the g37. Outside of all the creature comforts a more luxurious vehicle provides she also really appreciates the ability to step on the gas and actually get out of scenarios which she’d likely be stuck in with the Elantra etc. she’s the opposite of a dangerous driver but having a bit of power to maneuver out of situations isn’t a bad thing
That reminds me of a funny story with my wife.

We had one car for the longest time, my FBO tuned MS3. She's used to being able to just gun it and get past everyone.

Then she started a new job and it came with a car allowance. We got a F56 Mini Cooper. 3cyl 135hp. The day we picked it up she tried to do the same thing and gun it past a line of cars. I told her stop you can't do that, the Mini doesn't have the same kind of power.

I ended getting a tune on the Mini so she got a little bit more power at her disposal.
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