[Energy]

Wow, you're right I never noticed the years thing. That's a pretty good observation.

[TOS'd]

i reread the letter, and found something you guys might've overlooked



given that its 2010, and their partnership started in 2002, almost nine years would be almost 2011. if this letter had been delivered last year, than it would've been 7 years. nowhere close to 9 years

that, plus the fact that this was only recently posted on the guys blog lead me to believe that the "April 2009" part was the error in this letter

although i could have missed something entirely

Mmm the year thing is a bit confusing. But to respond to your other point, IMO this letter was posted because the situation was not resolved and that now it seems like AJ is pointing fingers at J's. Therefore J's decides since the issue with AJ was not resolved in a favourable manner to them, that they alert the public about what had been going on by posting the letter.

[maxxxboost]

The fact that this has been going on for so long without AJ-R requesting the issue be taken down is quite obvious. Which, makes me beleive that there has got to be some sort of truth to it.

If the statements above were false from J's perspective, wouldn't they get in big shit from AJ-R (lawsuits) since this type of ordeal is a business crusher for any company? But still, nothing is happening. So yet, some more truth to it.

It is easy to speak the truth. But it is hard to constantly lie.
From all the reading, reguardless of the quality of J's prodcuts. I don't see many mistakes when it came to issuing the statement and so forth.

Hum. Who am i going to believe?

For a business to put that kind of statment up on their site is either

1. Telling the truth, and has facts to back it up in court
2. Really FUKing stupid and is just waiting to get sued.

[MG1]

Wow, you're right I never noticed the years thing. That's a pretty good observation.

Not really.............

Japan is not only one day ahead of us time zone wise, they are also at least a year or two ahead of us in most other things......... that's why they have cool stuff long before we do. :D

[- kT]

Mmm the year thing is a bit confusing. But to respond to your other point, IMO this letter was posted because the situation was not resolved and that now it seems like AJ is pointing fingers at J's. Therefore J's decides since the issue with AJ was not resolved in a favourable manner to them, that they alert the public about what had been going on by posting the letter.

possibly, but they have never directly said that AJ was directly responsible for doing this in the past (with the exception of the PDF document being labeled AJCANADA), so maybe now they're publically saying that it's them responsible

regardless, i think that clears up the matter of when the actual letter was posted - this year, and the deadline is likely april of 2010

[TOS'd]

possibly, but they have never directly said that AJ was directly responsible for doing this in the past (with the exception of the PDF document being labeled AJCANADA), so maybe now they're publically saying that it's them responsible

regardless, i think that clears up the matter of when the actual letter was posted - this year, and the deadline is likely april of 2010

I disagree with your last statement. With the evidence from other forums and this forum. I truly believe that there is no typo for the date "April 22 2009."

Here are my thoughts.

1) People complaining/questioning quality of J's racing products purchased from AJR

2) J's is some how tipped off about #1 (i do not know how or what but its not relevant). J's purchases one of their own products from AJR. Product is deemed fake.

3) J's sends letter (1st letter in 1st post of this thread) to Benjamin of AJR (owner? i personally dont know). Deadline to resolve matters is April 22, 2009.

-) March 2009. "AJ-Racing actually dropped the J's Racing line as of March 2009 due to internal issues that were never resolved in the past."

4) Deadline passes. April 22.

5) AJR has a Grand Re-Opening on May 25th ish(date of thread:http://www.revscene.net/forums/j-r-grand-t576842.html?t=576842&highlight=grand+opening)
(Yes, I know it could just be because they wanted a bigger place (or new location, i have never been to either places.))

6) Since the deadline up until June 30, 2009. I guess fingers were pointed back and forth as to who was wrong, with no clear winner.

7) June 30, 2009. J's sends letter to AJR (2st letter in 1st post of this thread) stating they never made a special batch and that they never gave permission for anyone to replicate their products.

8) August 21, 2009. AJR representative says they requested the make of special batch J's exhaust. (Taken from s2ki forum: http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=718060&st=100)

9) January 13, 2010. Letter surfaces on multiple forums and J's official website/blog. Reason for this being posted so late was maybe to see if they can work out a deal with AJR? Who knows.



What also fits into the above timeline i rushed is the numerous cases(threads) on other car forums which question the quality of the "genuine" J's products bought from AJR.

Also, the termination of AJR as an official distributor of J's Racing products.


Feel free to add to or correct my timeline. It's 2:30am and I am tired.


EDIT: after some re-reading, filled in some info in the timeline thanks to Joh (posted here: http://www.revscene.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6768933&postcount=62)

[!Tigger]

nice timeline.

[Hide625]

Wow, you're right I never noticed the years thing. That's a pretty good observation.

i reread the letter, and found something you guys might've overlooked



given that its 2010, and their partnership started in 2002, almost nine years would be almost 2011. if this letter had been delivered last year, than it would've been 7 years. nowhere close to 9 years

that, plus the fact that this was only recently posted on the guys blog lead me to believe that the "April 2009" part was the error in this letter

although i could have missed something entirely



2002 = 1st yr
2003 = 2nd yr
2004 = 3rd yr
2005 = 4th yr
2006 = 5th yr
2007 = 6th yr
2008 = 7th yr
2009 = 8th yr

J's racing stated "almost" 9 yrs so that makes it still in the 8th yr. Their statement makes sense :)

[TOS'd]

2002 = 1st yr
2003 = 2nd yr
2004 = 3rd yr
2005 = 4th yr
2006 = 5th yr
2007 = 6th yr
2008 = 7th yr
2009 = 8th yr

J's racing stated "almost" 9 yrs so that makes it still in the 8th yr. Their statement makes sense :)

ah, right you are sir.

BUT

please validate this statement for me. taken from the s2ki forums: http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=718060&st=100

Second post down states, and I quote from August 21, 2009.

i worked at ajr for almost 10 years and while i was there i never ever package or installed any fake products.

i was the mechanic at ajr and i did all the installation. they were many j's exhaust which came with out a badge or logo. here are some pics that ben gave me awhile back to forward to a customer.


i quitted ajr 4 months ago, i shouldnt really care but this thread really got to my attention. ajr is a good company, this is just a vouch for them.
Apparently this dude is from the future. Or just trippin' from smelling too many toxic fumes while working there. :)



EDIT: I misread and interpreted Hide625's post above.

[EmperorIS]

ah, right you are sir.

BUT

please validate this statement for me. taken from the s2ki forums: http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=718060&st=100

Second post down states, and I quote from August 21, 2009.


Apparently this dude is from the future. Or just trippin' from smelling too many toxic fumes while working there. :)

what the fuck?
you saying he can't work at AJ before AJ partner up with J's ?

[TOS'd]

what the fuck?
you saying he can't work at AJ before AJ partner up with J's ?

Dude you are fucking stupid. I never said anything about when J's partnered up with AJ.




And to my previous post, I misread it and that Hide625 was actually arguing my point and not against it (the date issue brought up by kt). My bad.

[TRD Rs200]

what the fuck?
you saying he can't work at AJ before AJ partner up with J's ?

what the fuck are you talking about?

[fartdragon]

:S

[buddy]

I would never believe A&J would knowingly sell any fake parts to customers under any circumstances; but after 2 days and 264 posts later, all I can say is I am a little disappointed at A&J or even Ben.

Putting all the debates, dramas and internet legal advise aside, this is a threat to the company's goodwill, I would expect someone from A&J would stand up and give us a clarification by now.

[hal0g0dv2]

shit 7 pages

[carmaniac]

Well there's one reason AJR isn't replying to these alliegations. Any reply here could influence decisions made against them in future lawsuits. Ie if they admit they did sell fake parts, everyone who purchased items from them would start a lawsuit. If they deny these alliegations then it could be used in the courts against them to generate an even greater punishment. So if u guys are waiting for AJR to reply forget about it. The only news u may hear from them in the next little while is their shop
closing down.
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[XshimaX]

I think if there was a lawsuit, it would have happened already seeing how the letter is dated with a deadline back in April 2009.

I really don't get why there are still people asking for AJR's reply, when they have already made several replies on forums like fitfreak stating their stance in this, which pretty much summarizes to their parts being supplied only from J's racing. Now why are they not posting here too I have no clue, maybe they can really care less about revscene :confused:

[FeistyBearH22a]

Now why are they not posting here too I have no clue, maybe they can really care less about revscene :confused:
That's an incredible business approach. Cause we all know that 95% of their business comes from fitfreak.

[bcedhk]

im suprised no one here has been to aj recently this week? im sure some s2000er or fit guy would have had to balls to go to the shop and asked.. or didnt sum guy here said he had orders placed at aj racing? how did that go?

[jlenko]

I think if there was a lawsuit, it would have happened already seeing how the letter is dated with a deadline back in April 2009.

I really don't get why there are still people asking for AJR's reply, when they have already made several replies on forums like fitfreak stating their stance in this, which pretty much summarizes to their parts being supplied only from J's racing. Now why are they not posting here too I have no clue, maybe they can really care less about revscene :confused:

Comes down to who you think is the lying party here. J's or AJR. J's says they don't 'custom make' products for AJR. AJR says they do. Personally, I think I'd believe the folks that make the stuff - or in this case, that they don't make it.

Pretty clear cut here. It may be hard to believe to some of you that this guy is a fraud... but that seems to be the case. And it was proven long ago... according to those threads.

[jbsali]

Comes down to who you think is the lying party here. J's or AJR. J's says they don't 'custom make' products for AJR. AJR says they do. Personally, I think I'd believe the folks that make the stuff - or in this case, that they don't make it.

Pretty clear cut here. It may be hard to believe to some of you that this guy is a fraud... but that seems to be the case. And it was proven long ago... according to those threads.

who is "this guy" you speak of!?AJR, J's? LOL

[SkunkWorks]

who is "this guy" you speak of!?AJR, J's? LOL

AJR = the fraud.

How fucking hard was that to figure out?

[!Tigger]

Im pretty sure J's would have more to lose if they were doing this.

J's = world wide

AJ-R = national? if that.

[GabAlmighty]

I think i'm gonna buy a mad tyte cai from AJR, everyone knows that shit makes like 90 extra hp's

[BEEB]

it's like Footlocker claim that Nike made a special batch of T shirts without the Nike badge. And Footlocker kept selling them until someone complaints about it and Nike found out that Footlocker is copying the T Shirts. Then, Footlockers gonna say, Nike supplied us some T shirts without The Nike Logo, without Nike Tags, No Nike packing.

The name of the brand and logo of the brand are both a very special thing to Japanese people. Not in many years would I believe that J's Racing would make products without their own name or logo on it. So, AJR's excuses are very lame in my opinion. But being a Honger, I know why AJR would simply say "I don't know why .....blah blah blah...." , same as " I don't speak engRish, I don't know... I don't know..." But saying I don't know won't help the problem here. AJR crew is probably in Japan right now at the TOkyo Salon, looking for their next replica product line or "T1R (Try 1 Replica?)"

[StylinRed]

it's like Footlocker claim that Nike made a special batch of T shirts without the Nike badge. And Footlocker kept selling them until someone complaints about it and Nike found out that Footlocker is copying the T Shirts. Then, Footlockers gonna say, Nike supplied us some T shirts without The Nike Logo, without Nike Tags, No Nike packing.

I agree, except
AJR put it in a J's Racing box with J's taping

[umpadupa]

^ fking china can copy anything... all u have to do is pay a guy who has a nice scanner $5 and get the scan over to a tape company... done deal. i bet u the excess rolls of tape are being used to package fake "spoon" parts in china haha and the excuse will be "the join company, i dont noe anything, it came like this from japan!"

[Psykopathik]

what i got so far from this thread is this:
-J's accuses AJ of manufacturing and distributing unauthorized copies of their products.
-AJ of course denies this.

points:

-How would a large company like J's NOT know what they are building, and for who? there must be serial #'s, Tracking #'s etc.

-Why hasn't AJ chimed into defend themselves? possibly pending the outcome of the lawsuit from J's? If they did request a special batch of products for themselves, there must be a memo or order form filled out somewhere, some kind of paper trail.

I'm afraid the future looks grim For AJ.

Sad. I bought my first Lightspeed header, tower bar, and springs from them way back in the early 90's.

[Roach]

Just to clarify, I think someone from AJ has replied on the FitFreak thread (post is dated 1/13/2010)

http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/799051-post25.html


Hey Everyone,

This is not something new. During 2009 summer there were posts going on in regards AJR and J's Racing already.

We have responded to previous posts and we have already told our side of the story. Anyways, for those who found this thread new and interesting, I will post our side of the story again and I will keep this simple.

Firstly, the parts we sold were supplied by J's Racing. Ever since day one when we imported the products, over 50% of the products we received did not have logos, originally packaging, catalogs or even stickers. I can speak for myself as well as AJR since I was the one who had packaged some of these products. We have been challenged by customers who had purchased these parts from us in the past saying these products were kind of sketch. There was nothing we could do if the products came to us in that condition.

Secondly, J's stated they had never made any "special edition" products like USDM versions, this was not true. There were numberous products made such as, USDM Grills, lip spoiler (GD3,FG2), GT wings (FG2)....etc. that's false info. Maybe if you got nothing to do you can run a search and you will find them.

Thirdly, there are many waranty issues, quality issues, fitment issues and missing components with the parts...............etc. JUST SEARCH on any Honda forums, you will find them. Broken or defected products never been replaced nor warranteed by the manufacturer. Those waranteed products were covered by AJR itself by paying out of it's own pocket.

Fourthly, J's Racing claimed that AJR has been selling knock off J's Racing products. Well, if the supplier supplied their products with no packaging, stickers or badgings, and denying the authenticy, what should we do??? Now this situation ended up like this.

I have been working at AJR since 2008 and I have not seen a single knock off branded product while I was doing all AJR's inventory and shipping work back at that time. I am not trying to defend the company that I work for since I can just simply pack and go without giving a damn, BUT if AJR has to be bad mouthed for no reason, I think I have to stand up for it.

Once last thing regarding to Mr. J's letter, if everything is true, AJR should have closed down and wait to get sued instead of kept up and running.

Regards,

Jason @ AJR

Kev

[Roach]

My thoughts:


Firstly, the parts we sold were supplied by J's Racing. Ever since day one when we imported the products, over 50% of the products we received did not have logos, originally packaging, catalogs or even stickers. I can speak for myself as well as AJR since I was the one who had packaged some of these products. We have been challenged by customers who had purchased these parts from us in the past saying these products were kind of sketch. There was nothing we could do if the products came to us in that condition.

If one customer questions the authenticity of a product, as a retailer, wouldn't you make it a point to ensure from thereon that the products you are receiving ARE authentic? I certainly would, especially since it threatens to damage the reputation of my company.

Thirdly, there are many waranty issues, quality issues, fitment issues and missing components with the parts...............etc. JUST SEARCH on any Honda forums, you will find them. Broken or defected products never been replaced nor warranteed by the manufacturer. Those waranteed products were covered by AJR itself by paying out of it's own pocket.

Why carry the line still? If you're paying out of pocket to warranty these products I don't see the point of carrying them. This doesn't make sense.

Fourthly, J's Racing claimed that AJR has been selling knock off J's Racing products. Well, if the supplier supplied their products with no packaging, stickers or badgings, and denying the authenticy, what should we do???

Protect your customer? Instead of playing dumb you could have:

- Checked the packages to ensure authenticity.
- Contacted the manufacturer regarding said discrepancies
- Inform your customers of the irregularities
- STOP SELLING IT.

I have been working at AJR since 2008 and I have not seen a single knock off branded product while I was doing all AJR's inventory and shipping work back at that time.

But you claim you don't check every package. So what value is that statement?

Once last thing regarding to Mr. J's letter, if everything is true, AJR should have closed down and wait to get sued instead of kept up and running.

Your future is in fortune telling.

Kev

[- kT]

"There was nothing we could do if the products came to us in that condition."

that statement alone is full of problems. As a manager at McDonalds, if you receive a batch of buns that are ripped to shreds, there are a number of things you can do to rectify the situation and get normal buns back

same for any company, if the manufacturer sends you fucked up product, you can get it replaced.

in saying that there was nothing they could've done is halfway to admitting their guilt

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

what i got so far from this thread is this:
-J's accuses AJ of manufacturing and distributing unauthorized copies of their products.
-AJ of course denies this.

points:

-How would a large company like J's NOT know what they are building, and for who? there must be serial #'s, Tracking #'s etc.

-Why hasn't AJ chimed into defend themselves? possibly pending the outcome of the lawsuit from J's? If they did request a special batch of products for themselves, there must be a memo or order form filled out somewhere, some kind of paper trail.

I'm afraid the future looks grim For AJ.

Sad. I bought my first Lightspeed header, tower bar, and springs from them way back in the early 90's.

they are done dude, especially with that new shitty location of theirs

[TOS'd]

We need Crazy Asian Guy at Best Buy to pay AJR a visit.

[SkunkWorks]

We need Crazy Asian Guy at Best Buy to pay AJR a visit.

Or...

"YOU KNOW???!!!" guy.

[hotong]

You know guy?
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[optiblue]

At the hospital, if the blood comes without a box package seal, it doesn't matter if the blood looks okay, could be okay, or is okay, we throw it all out! Car parts won't be as strict, but at least they could authenticate with j's before selling! Something does seem funny with their response...
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[- kT]

You know guy?
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http://www3.telus.net/public/dhua84/youknow.gif

[hotong]

^ oh lol
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[oinkoinkpig]

^well..that was random as hell hahaha

[elkayem]

Has AJR came out to say anything about this yet?
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[alex.w *//]

nope

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Has AJR came out to say anything about this yet?
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nope

[impactX]

^ they have, in other forums.

[BEEB]

Quote:
I have been working at AJR since 2008 and I have not seen a single knock off branded product while I was doing all AJR's inventory and shipping work back at that time.

because all of them are branded = T1R :thumbsup:

[Meister1982]

^
What are you even talking about? T1R itself is a fucking rip off brand already.

http://www.aj-racing.com/shop/image.php?type=D&id=354

[Ohkun]

^
What are you even talking about? T1R itself is a fucking rip off brand already.


:facepalm:

[Meister1982]

:facepalm:

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/j-racing-international/91458-t1r-b-max-carbon-reclining-seat.html

[TOS'd]

Quote:
I have been working at AJR since 2008 and I have not seen a single knock off branded product while I was doing all AJR's inventory and shipping work back at that time.

because all of them are branded = T1R :thumbsup:

^
What are you even talking about? T1R itself is a fucking rip off brand already.


WTF are you even talking about Meister. Do you even understand BEEB's post?

[umpadupa]

LOL i think meister needs to re-read...

[hotong]

LOL i think meister needs to re-read...

x2

[Ohkun]

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/j-racing-international/91458-t1r-b-max-carbon-reclining-seat.html


:facepalm::facepalm:

this really deserve double facepalm

[Meister1982]

lol fail myself. I didn't read carefully haha

so ashamed

[tegman]

wow

[vo_hantu]

I disagree with your last statement. With the evidence from other forums and this forum. I truly believe that there is no typo for the date "April 22 2009."

Here are my thoughts...

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Quoted for truth, nice timeline.

If anyone has been in any sort of legal claim it definetly takes time - years even.

It's obvious that J's did not post it on their blog without having their facts straight, especially when the world can see it. How embarrasing would that be if J's posted faulty material (for arguments sake) right away?

Like 5zigen said, let's wait to see what happens.

I remember one time I called in and asked if they could get a J's Racing 60RS for me. They gave me an honest answer saying that the resonator will break so they offered me a "AJR edition with reinforced resonator." I was like WTF no thanks and walked away...was def weird.

[TalonTurbo]

wow i can't believe this

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

no need to wait


AJ is going down!

[crazyazn]

^???

[JDMCivic]

just throwin this out there...is gearheads related to them then since they also carry T1R and is located just down the street?

[vo_hantu]

just throwin this out there...is gearheads related to them then since they also carry T1R and is located just down the street?

Well if they carry T1R, doesn't that mean they have some sort of relationship?

Chances are, local import tuner shops are one way or another related to AJR - which sucks for people that want to mod, without getting taxed on duties/shipping. Just saying it how it is.

[az8_]

Gearheads is a different company

[Lissy]

class auction lawsuit!

[hk20000]

^ auction lol

[umpadupa]

hell, if there was an auction.. ill buy their shit for like.. 90% off.

[BlackZRoadster]

this thread is full of funny win lol

from benefits for the doubts, misunderstood sarcasm, class AUCTION lawsuits..

who would have guess a thread about a business' FAIL has become a thread of WIN.:haha:

[TRDood]

this thread is full of funny win lol

from benefits for the doubts, misunderstood sarcasm, class AUCTION lawsuits..

who would have guess a thread about a business' FAIL has become a thread of WIN.:haha:

there must be a lupole for AJR to get out of this!

[robotgirl]

Gearheads is a different company

Gearheads also sell T1R products... where some were marked at even a lower price than AJR. I asked the staff @ AJR once if they are affiliated with Gearheads and they said no, but they know the owner as he use to work at AJR (?). I thought it was rather, uh, strange.

[Solo_D33A]

people worked in a company and later branch out to their own company are common...

And let me get this right...
Type One Racing = Japanese brand... usually called "type one"....
T1R = AJ's stuff, but it's also called Type One Racing?

[FatalCloud]

gearheads is a diff company but they're friends with A&J. Gearheads was started/owned by MooMan (Justin) who used to work at A&J but he sold it to..? (i'm not sure).

[icemiko]

people worked in a company and later branch out to their own company are common...

And let me get this right...
Type One Racing = Japanese brand... usually called "type one"....
T1R = AJ's stuff, but it's also called Type One Racing?
T1R is AJ's brand and "Type One Racing" is the real JDM brand.

[Moo Man]

Type One Racing in Japan is actually a mechanic shop, they don't make parts.

[vOLTZ]

this has been brought up in this thread...

'TYPE ONE' is an actual shop for Spoon Sports, where sales and service take place.
'SPOON SPORTS' is the brand for those products.
'T1R = TYPE ONE RACING' is AJ-R's own line of products.

[optiblue]

^ what they all said. From what I could tell back when the T1R brand first came out, it was "Aj's" brand. That could mean anything from designing the product themselves, or finding other companies that already made a decent product and rebranded it as "T1R".

My T1R voltage stabilizer was made by some v-max company back in the days which worked pretty good. Overall, I find that their T1R line has some nice stuff including a catback I'm running currently. I however, would be yelling if I bought a fake j's racing exhaust!

[Spooling]

does T1R tires have thing to do with AJR?

[FeistyBearH22a]

^ LOL the toyo t1rs? hhahaha

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

ummm no

[HondaGuy]

Just to clarify so ppl dont get confused. :thumbsup:


Type One - Japan
http://www.shopresponse.com/spoon_sports_type_one_decals.jpg

AJ Racing's Type 1 Racing: T1R
http://www.typeoneracing.com/catalog/product_image.php?imageid=297

[optiblue]

does T1R tires have thing to do with AJR?

Short answer, nope, it's just pure coincidence. Back in the early 2000's, when T1R was new, I got confused too!

[FeistyBearH22a]

http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/sbub/cabinet/t1r1.jpg

Apparently, this needs clarification as well. :\

[!e.lo_]

Apparently, this needs clarification as well. :\

yea, SADLY

[Black SC2]

there must be a lupole for AJR to get out of this!

I'm sorry, what?

[skyxx]

^Loophole
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[Roach]

No benefits of doubts or lupholes here. Classic action suite is only choice

Kev

[RabidRat]

there must be a lupole for AJR to get out of this!

:lol

[RotaryX]

Hi,

This issue in question has been discussed. We had also timely responded to the letter after consulting with our lawyers. As to protect Js Racings and AJRs privacy, the complete response will not be posted. But in summary, the situation was a misunderstanding. In other words, ALL of the Js Racing products we had sold will always have our full confidence backed as for their source and authenticity.

This issue has been SETTLED between Js Racing and AJR. Js Racing entered a silent vow as they provided no further responses since April 23, 2009. No client-side loss was caused as a result of this incident.

To be honest, I personally think it will be way more beneficial to AJR if we at the company direct this time and effort for rebuttal to, instead, improving AJRs reputation and business. But I for one cannot stand aside on this matter and let this unjust bashing slide by. We are highly disappointed at Js company and Js employees discipline. As all can see, Js Racing had refrained from acting on any of the actions they have listed in the letter as they had absolutely no rights on publicizing this matter. Instead, they had to resort to private blog as a media and post it EIGHT months later to mitigate their responsibility. Such action reflects gravely on their characters and their way of dealing. Such action cannot be tolerated. We will commence actions for any damage caused.



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Guys, nothing against you but I honestly don't buy this aspect of your statement. If you were receiving sub-par products that were missing logo's or improperly packaged or of poor quality you should not shrugging your shoulders and continue to selling their products for so many years. Then there is the ethical side of this question, why would you pass on questionable products to your customers? This doesn't add up.

This is very true. What is missing here is that there also existed many products we couldnt send out and resulted in our loss. So because of this incident and their poor quality of goods delivered to us over the years, we had decided to stop importing Js Racing products for good. Js Racing has not officially stopped supplying to us. Since then, we had maintained an excellent relationship with all of our other suppliers, including SPOON, and distributors. I also urge further claims, if it would otherwise damage our reputation, to be discussed with proof rather than speculation.

Im Byron and I am the person who coordinated the seeking of legal advice on this matter. If you have any question, please contact me @ AJR (604) 279-0329. A request for closing this thread is on the way. I sincerely thank all of you for reading this far.


Regards,


Byron L. @ AJR

Saw this posted today on fitfreak. AJ has made a post. Looks like this might stop the endless bashing that has been brought up.

[!Tigger]

I disagree with your last statement. With the evidence from other forums and this forum. I truly believe that there is no typo for the date "April 22 2009."

Here are my thoughts.

1) People complaining/questioning quality of J's racing products purchased from AJR

2) J's is some how tipped off about #1 (i do not know how or what but its not relevant). J's purchases one of their own products from AJR. Product is deemed fake.

3) J's sends letter (1st letter in 1st post of this thread) to Benjamin of AJR (owner? i personally dont know). Deadline to resolve matters is April 22, 2009.

-) March 2009. "AJ-Racing actually dropped the J's Racing line as of March 2009 due to internal issues that were never resolved in the past."

4) Deadline passes. April 22.

5) AJR has a Grand Re-Opening on May 25th ish(date of thread:http://www.revscene.net/forums/j-r-grand-t576842.html?t=576842&highlight=grand+opening)
(Yes, I know it could just be because they wanted a bigger place (or new location, i have never been to either places.))

6) Since the deadline up until June 30, 2009. I guess fingers were pointed back and forth as to who was wrong, with no clear winner.

7) June 30, 2009. J's sends letter to AJR (2st letter in 1st post of this thread) stating they never made a special batch and that they never gave permission for anyone to replicate their products.

8) August 21, 2009. AJR representative says they requested the make of special batch J's exhaust. (Taken from s2ki forum: http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=718060&st=100)

9) January 13, 2010. Letter surfaces on multiple forums and J's official website/blog. Reason for this being posted so late was maybe to see if they can work out a deal with AJR? Who knows.



What also fits into the above timeline i rushed is the numerous cases(threads) on other car forums which question the quality of the "genuine" J's products bought from AJR.

Also, the termination of AJR as an official distributor of J's Racing products.


Feel free to add to or correct my timeline. It's 2:30am and I am tired.


EDIT: after some re-reading, filled in some info in the timeline thanks to Joh (posted here: http://www.revscene.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6768933&postcount=62)

so the new info says that there was no contact from apr.23.2009... but whats this.?

[LOM]

I don't usually post on forum but I think enough is enough. What was this incident since? 2009 right. Whoever have brain, please think, think logically. Why J's racing keep accusing A&J for copying their products? What is the ultimate reason for doing that? Answer is: $$$$$$$$. And if, I said if, A&J really did copy their products. All they have to do is to sue their ASS and get compensation, right. They never did it, instead, they keep posting on some forums or blogs. Why? Becuase they don't have the evidence. I mean the real one, not just some pics or commet from customers. If they do, they sued them long time ago. Do they have to post on this forum and others to bad mouth A&J. Guys, please use your brain next time. Don't be a follower, be a leader.

[FeistyBearH22a]

I don't usually post on forum but I think enough is enough. What was this incident since? 2009 right. Whoever have brain, please think, think logically. Why J's racing keep accusing A&J for copying their products? What is the ultimate reason for doing that? Answer is: $$$$$$$$. And if, I said if, A&J really did copy their products. All they have to do is to sue their ASS and get compensation, right. They never did it, instead, they keep posting on some forums or blogs. Why? Becuase they don't have the evidence. I mean the real one, not just some pics or commet from customers. If they do, they sued them long time ago. Do they have to post on this forum and others to bad mouth A&J. Guys, please use your brain next time. Don't be a follower, be a leader.

I'm glad you don't post often because ^ that just gave me a fucking headache.

[Mr.Jay]

Don't be a follower, be a leader.


but now if I listen to you I still wont be a leader... haha

lawsuits can take a very long time before they are even done plus if now of this is true I would think A&J would defend themselves

either way tho I wouldnt want to spend my money at a shop that cant take the time to see if they shit they are selling is real or not

[Z3guy]

I don't usually post on forum but I think enough is enough. What was this incident since? 2009 right. Whoever have brain, please think, think logically. Why J's racing keep accusing A&J for copying their products? What is the ultimate reason for doing that? Answer is: $$$$$$$$. And if, I said if, A&J really did copy their products. All they have to do is to sue their ASS and get compensation, right. They never did it, instead, they keep posting on some forums or blogs. Why? Becuase they don't have the evidence. I mean the real one, not just some pics or commet from customers. If they do, they sued them long time ago. Do they have to post on this forum and others to bad mouth A&J. Guys, please use your brain next time. Don't be a follower, be a leader.

I agree with LOM. In today's world of business, if J's had overwhelming evidence, they would sue A&J's ass. However, what is a business like A&J worth? probably 100k-$200K?, if that is the case, A&J goes bankrupt and J's gets nothing....

[SkunkWorks]

I agree with LOM. In today's world of business, if J's had overwhelming evidence, they would sue A&J's ass. However, what is a business like A&J worth? probably 100k-$200K?, if that is the case, A&J goes bankrupt and J's gets nothing....

Not to mention it'll be an international lawsuit...

GG right there if you're a small company like J's.

[RRxtar]

i dont know a damn thing about international business or copywrite lawsuits or law suits at all.


but i would guess that the cost to J's to form and file a successful lawsuit against AJR, as well as the time (years+) involved, is probably less than what they could get out of A&J racing and thus, not worth the trouble. and even if the lawsuit was successful, A&R Racing would file bankrupcy, and reopen the next day as AJR and not lose any business.

[hk20000]

Don't be a follower, be a leader.

Be a MAN! Do the RIGHT THING! :haha:

[hk20000]

there must be a lupole for AJR to get out of this!

yes here it is!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Vw_lupo_v_sst.jpg

[Hehe]

In response of the think logically, let's look at this way, who benefits the most from this case? (assuming both accusations are true)

1) J's selling shitty/second product on their official distributor to sell (story from AJ)
or
2) AJ selling fake products as the real deal (Story from J's)

In case 1, J's benefit is limited. Their products already have huge markups. Making a 1K exhaust that actually cost them 200 to build vs. 100 to build, the gain is 100 bucks extra or a bit over 12% more profit at a cost of J's reputation (maybe worth a few million or at least a few hundred of G?)

Case 2, looking at AJ, their benefit could be huge. I'm not familiar with the retail markup that J's give to their disty, but let's assume J's give them 20% markup, making that 1K exhaust pipe 1200 MSRP. If AJ finds a foreign factory to produce the very same product (let's say they actually found a way to make a 1:1 reproduction) and cost is the same to J's at 200 and sell the product at 1200 MSRP, this represents a 500% increase in profit at a cost of their reputation (maybe a few hundred G at most?)

IMHO, AJ has a much higher motivation than J's. Thus, I'd side with J's on this one.

[flagella]

Why are people even still discussing about already settled cases by throwing out their smartass opinions? Even if it's still not settled, it's none of our business to even discuss about it based on the limited information we have.

[ericthehalfbee]

Why are people even still discussing about already settled cases by throwing out their smartass opinions? Even if it's still not settled, it's none of our business to even discuss about it based on the limited information we have.Are you LOM's buddy?

People are discussing it because it hasn't been settled. AJR hasn't said anything reasonable at all in their defense. The simple fact they didn't properly check to see if their products were "real or not" shows this.

I'm sure AJR would love this to all just blow away, and I think it's our responsibility to keep this thread going until things are settled. Don't let scammers get away with this shit, I say.

[GabAlmighty]

This is why you need to make your own parts, enough with these fucking kits and shit. Make your own god damn stuff.

[BlackZRoadster]

this is a good enuff reason to mod your car with the cheap pasts, that way you won't get screwed.:haha:

[Noir]

Regardless of the explanation, I think at this point with a formal response taking this long, AJR has lost what little credibility they had left, if any.

Misunderstandings, if indeed are truly misunderstandings don't take this long to clear up. Anyways, there's really no misunderstanding when when J's themselves purchased a replica with J's packaging from AJR. Special batch my ass :lol.

[flagella]

Are you LOM's buddy?

People are discussing it because it hasn't been settled. AJR hasn't said anything reasonable at all in their defense. The simple fact they didn't properly check to see if their products were "real or not" shows this.

I'm sure AJR would love this to all just blow away, and I think it's our responsibility to keep this thread going until things are settled. Don't let scammers get away with this shit, I say.

Our responsibility to get the thread going until things are settled? What is there for you to do regarding this case seriously? People already know, and those who have not bought from AJR will probably never bother buying it from them, and those who have purchased from AJR will make decisions themselves whether to buy from AJR again or not. Why are you trying to sound like some smartass who thinks anything more can be done through some forum discussions? What the fuck do you even mean "don't let scammers get away with this shit"? Bad news has been released public, their reputation has gone down, and naturally they will go down if people stop buying from them.

Noir: I recently went to pick up some T1R parts at AJR and asked Ben about what is up with the lawsuit. He said that's a long time ago back in 09 and has no idea why it's up on revscene at this time. He said he has no intention of posting on revscene as he doesn't believe it will simply shut people up.

[the_darkside]

I heard from a well known person in the industry that T1R used to be made in Thailand. Don't quote me on this, I have no idea at all. My point being. I was on this website:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/108559757/J_s_racing_Muffler_with_Titanium.html

If you take a look, it looks pretty darn close to the special batch AJ is selling. You be the judge.

[ericthehalfbee]

flagella:

Please explain to us how things are "already settled"?

You know, this isn't just a case of a few disgruntled customers here and there who got inferior product. AJR sells a lot of stuff, and manufacturers don't make "special batches" in small quantities - the setup costs are prohibitive.

AJR has sold knock offs in the hundreds (more likely thousands) of units which means they committed a very large fraud and are criminals, plain and simple. And what makes people think the only time they've done this is with J's racing? Once a thief, always a thief. What's to stop a greedy crook from doing this with other products as well?


I thought I read that the AJR owner drives a GT-R. Well, he's paid for that GT-R by defrauding people of money selling knock offs at brand name prices. Wonder if anyone has thought of this and what they'd do next time they see him in his GT-R? ;)

[!Tigger]

oh snap made in thailand? those do look like the fake ones from the J's racing site.

[EndLeSS8]

Ahhh, the thread on Fitfreak is gone :blueguy::whipped::bullshit:

[flagella]

flagella:

Please explain to us how things are "already settled"?

You know, this isn't just a case of a few disgruntled customers here and there who got inferior product. AJR sells a lot of stuff, and manufacturers don't make "special batches" in small quantities - the setup costs are prohibitive.

AJR has sold knock offs in the hundreds (more likely thousands) of units which means they committed a very large fraud and are criminals, plain and simple. And what makes people think the only time they've done this is with J's racing? Once a thief, always a thief. What's to stop a greedy crook from doing this with other products as well?


I thought I read that the AJR owner drives a GT-R. Well, he's paid for that GT-R by defrauding people of money selling knock offs at brand name prices. Wonder if anyone has thought of this and what they'd do next time they see him in his GT-R? ;)

And my point was that is there anything people on here can actually do to change anything?

[hotong]

yes here it is!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Vw_lupo_v_sst.jpg

LOL!!

[StylinRed]

Ahhh, the thread on Fitfreak is gone :blueguy::whipped::bullshit:

AJR is their sponsor aren't they?

ppl were commenting that the thread might get removed early on too

[smk]

they got removed as sponsor on 8thcivic as well :(

AJR has been removed as a vendor on the site. From the information I have received over the last week, they are no longer setup as a sponsor.

There are threads on other forums, showing customers receiving J's products, and posting pictures of the items online. Numerous individuals disputed the item as being a product of J's Racing. Quality concerns were brought up, and others determined the product was not even produced by J's (not in their catalog/or online). Upon further investigation, J's Racing was notified of the thread and photographs. A person from J's investigated the issue, and the customer stated AJ-R sold him the parts.

Individuals from J's claim no fg2 body parts were ever created. These were pure fabrications, like the other parts mentioned above (labeled, and sold as J's Racing parts). I am not going to make claims that, "AJ-R never sold a real J's part to a customer". AJ-R claimed they had removed all J's items as of April of 09. As stated earlier in this thread, I found a J's Racing item for sale on the first page of their website.

There are threads on Fitfreak, claiming a fake J's muffler was received from AJ-R (by a customer). The customer complained, and received a replacement J's Racing muffler in return. There are threads on s2000, H-T, fitfreak, and others showing similar problems, and claims of spoon replicas.


Unfortunately, further information cannot be posted publicly around this situation. Trust in the staff, that this decision was not made purely from the information posted above.

[Noir]

And my point was that is there anything people on here can actually do to change anything?

Yeah, how 'bout everyone stop supporting his car and/or mortgage payments?

[ivys2k]

To be honest though. i have some T1R stuff on my car and i never had any problems with them. I think they are best bang for the buck compare to J's stuff. I mean i have J's stuff and they just wont fit properly and they are real J's too. I don't think AJ sells fake J's stuff will effect me from giving my cars to them, But this is just my opinion.

[umpadupa]

^ the last lil sentence "imo" just saved ur ass from all the angry ppl who was about 2 flame u haha

[!SG]

ok, enough ragging.

seems like this was an old issue that was resolved but sprung back up for entertainment.