[Meister1982]

http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/site-feedback-suggestions/52122-aj-racing-selling-fake-js-products.html

Dear Ben Leung


First of all, it is almost 9 years since we, J’s Racing, started a business
relationship with your company in 2002. We fully acknowledge that your sales
& marketing have made the current J’s Racing popular status in the North America
and we deeply thank you for that.

Unfortunately we have to present you a rather unpleasant notice today. We recently
learned that in spite of your status of an official distributor of J’s Racing, you
have been copying J’s Racing products in a factory abroad and selling the products
as the genuine J’s Racing merchandise.

In order to verify the information and to get the clear evidence we actually purchased
a product from you for an inspection. Regrettably we found that you not only copied the
product but also copied our packing tape and box to make the product look exactly like a
genuine J’s Racing product.

Now that we have a proof and we consider your conduct as a criminal offense, we no longer
can maintain the current business relationship with you. We have already consulted an
attorney in the British Columbia and we are ready to take strong legal actions if necessary.

We strongly feel that an official distributor should be the one policing the copied or
knockoff products. It is outrageous that an official distributor itself sells a copied
product as a genuine one. This is an inexcusable conduct even from the social point of
view and we will not forgive this kind of crime.

Regarding this matter, we are considering the number of actions. We will give you one
chance of providing us a sincere response and coming up with an offer for a monetary

Our actions include but are not limited to
1) Termination of the distributor status
2) A legal action to demand accounting information on the quantity of the copied products
produced and to demand a definite proof for destroying the copied products.
3) Bringing a criminal charges against A&J Racing
4) Disclosure of the issue on our website using your company’s name
5) Disclosure of the issue on the several forums in the world using your company’s name

To name several forums,
http://www.s2ki.com/
http://www.8thcivic.com/
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/
http://www.honda-tech.com/
http://hondamarketplace.com/
http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/
http://www.team-integra.net/
http://www.definitivedriving.com/
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/

6) Notification of the issue to all the manufacturers J’s Racing has business relationship with
7) Notification of the issue to all the companies J’s Racing has traded with
8) Notification of the issue to all the magazine publishing companies A&J Racing has relationship with
9) Notification of the issue to your father, Anthony

Those actions will inflict serious damages to your company.
In the business world, the trust is the most important. It is very regrettable you have lost our trust.
We will be waiting for your sincere response and a specific compensation offer.
The deadline is April 22, 2009.

Sincerely

J’S RACING Junichi Umemoto
J’S RACING Hisaaki Murakami

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[jasonturbo]

That is insane.

Im sorry for all the people who have been ripped off.

[JD35]

wowww... I'm speechless

[TOPEC]

dun dun dun.......................

oh shit!

[BEEB]

shouldn't that be 2010 April?

[simsimi1004]

lol GG

[The_AK]

wow,
if this is true some people are going to be VERY disappointed

[SpuGen]

What a kick in the nuts.

[CorneringArtist]

Holy shit, sounds like some mafia operation where the worker is cutting profits from the Don to keep to themselves.

+1 to people who bought the fake parts being REALLY pissed off.

[q0192837465]

Shows you wut ppl would do to make a buck. I hope they get wut they deserve.

[obselete]

AJRacing also supplies J's racing products to their affiliates like Auto-FX in Victoria.

[Mr.Jay]

wow

way to fuck over your business name for a couple extra bucks (prob alot of money but still)

[Spectre_Cdn]

9) Notification of the issue to your father, Anthony

:confused:

[ajax]

:confused:

He's going to get beat, duh!

[The_AK]

He's going to get beat, duh!

somebodys gonna get a beating! haha,
at least this is an opportunity for others to start distributing J's Racing products, dibs!

[Solo_D33A]

9) Notification of the issue to your father, Anthony

:haha:

[icemiko]

Damn, is my J's Racing valve fake then?! :lol

[Supafly]

lol....i guess karma got them ......BAD.

[mpr]

deja vu. wasn't this posted last year summer?

[jasonturbo]

On a serious note, how is it that this has remaind under wraps until now and why?

Im a little curious. I strongly doubt that this may even be true unless someone can confirm this is factual.

Is it just a date mistake and they mean 2010???

[Not really racist!]

oh this is gonna get messy

[Onassis]

I believe it spawned from this thread on fitreak:

http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-exhaust-systems/44601-post-up-your-fake-js-racing-50r-2.html

[spoon.ek9]

wow.... that's just... wow.

[Mr.Jay]

:confused:


he is prob the A in A&J

[Mkhun]

dundundun... speechless...

[Meister1982]

I'm not that surprised myself. Honestly they've been bad in service and fishy at the beginning (not as bad as MFRT) but it has definitely kept me away from bringing my car there.

[TOPEC]

.....

[spoon.ek9]

can anyone confirm the authenticity of this incident?

[Meister1982]

Damn, is my J's Racing valve fake then?! :lol

well the J's racing valve cover is a repainted version of the oem one. Real or not it doesn't matter haha

[KiDEclipse]

So thats how he can afford the R35 GTR................

[BEEB]

what about AJ's T1R (made in Taiwan/China) and T1 Racing (Geniune-Made in Japan)?

[mmmmmic]

http://ameblo.jp/umemotojunichi/entry-10430432876.html

its posted on Junichi Umemoto's blog, hard to belive its just a prank.

[The_AK]

On a serious note, how is it that this has remaind under wraps until now and why?

Im a little curious. I strongly doubt that this may even be true unless someone can confirm this is factual.

Is it just a date mistake and they mean 2010???

date is correct,
i believe it was posted on January 9th

[spoon.ek9]

what about AJ's T1R (made in Taiwan/China) and T1 Racing (Geniune-Made in Japan)?

i thought all t1r shit was assembled in taiwan/china and then packaged in japan..? god i hope my b-pipe is genuine...

[fetched]

g the fuck g

[1exotic]

somebodys gonna get a beating! haha,
at least this is an opportunity for others to start distributing J's Racing products, dibs!



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[Jackygor]

interesting...

[Timpo]

wow this sucks

[AVS_Racing]

Damn not gona get t1r stuff now either
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[TypeRNammer]

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2710556

its over on honda tech already

[97ITR]

i thought all t1r shit was assembled in taiwan/china and then packaged in japan..? god i hope my b-pipe is genuine...


Errr T1R (AJR) and Type One Racing (Japan) are not related at all. So your b-pipe is genuine... it's just that it's a genuine AJR branded made in taiwan product.

[dicecube]

seems this is old (maybe false?) according to s2ki

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=758243

[frost91]

i don't actually believe that aj-r would knowingly sell a "fake" item to a customer. i've never personally dealt with them but all i've read are good reviews about them.

[!Kodamu]

http://www.jsracing.co.jp/js3/index.asp?xMODE=SHOP&xSW=0&xCONTENT=DEADCOPY

[the_darkside]

It's Real!!!

If you go to J's Racing's official website, and go to the employee blog. It is posted on there...

s2ki is just trying to protect their sponsor and closed the thread.

[Ohkun]

http://www.jsracing.co.jp/js3/index.asp?xMODE=SHOP&xSW=0&xCONTENT=DEADCOPY

that link has been there for few month now.

it does not mention AJ-R at that point.

If you click on .pdf document, file name is "AJ_CANADA.pdf" ;)

[nns]

http://www.jsracing.co.jp/js3/index.asp?xMODE=SHOP&xSW=0&xCONTENT=DEADCOPY

I'm embarassed for organizations, especially organizations with an international presence, who release such mis-typed, error-filled public announcements.

How can such a wealthy company such as J's Racing deprecate their own brand by speaking to their customers that way?

Not going to comment on AJR till I hear from the owner(s) themselves. If I was them, I would be going OT on damage-control.

[Ohkun]

AJ always said,

"J's racing made 'special batch' for us. sometimes they did not come with J's racing badge. we don't know why"

I guess this official statement from J's racing proved it otherwise.

[josel_atr]

damn is this for real?

anyone from ajr wanna chime in?

[Skittlez160]

I hate to say this, but sadly I'm not suprised.

[Skittlez160]

AJ always said,

"J's racing made 'special batch' for us. sometimes they did not come with J's racing badge. we don't know why"

I guess this official statement from J's racing proved it otherwise.

My co-worker bought some Spoon stuff that either didn't come with a Spoon badge or the quality was a bit shady. He never bothered to complain because he trusted them and their products. If it was that easy to copy one brand who's to say it isn't to do another?

[adambomb]

I wonder how much J's expects for compensation?
They probably don't care about the money. They just want to run AJR into the ground. In a polite japanese way of course. :p

[.Renn.Sport]

its been like that for years... they just goto TAS every year to see what new parts to copy

all of the T1R stuff for the R35 are exact duplicate of the ones from Amuse

[optiblue]

I came into this thread thinking that it has to be fake... I'm still a little skeptical at the whole thing. It's hard to believe a reputable vendor would do such a thing. I would definately wait for AJ's defense first.

[notching]

yawn.. so what else is new?

[supman7]

holy shit...

[G-spec]

ok so is this real or fake... what's going on ?
to many people in this thread chiming in speaking opposites, I'm confused.

if it's true then hopefully it'll be an end to all those horrendous AJ racing stickers that are plastered all over Fit's and S2K's around town.

[spoon.ek9]

Errr T1R (AJR) and Type One Racing (Japan) are not related at all. So your b-pipe is genuine... it's just that it's a genuine AJR branded made in taiwan product.

thanks, i had the two confused as being the same.

[Hondaracer]

if your dumb enough to buy a $500 intake for a civic then maybe you deserve to be ripped off

[PDKGD3]

It's true, sparked a giant debate and turned a lot of the members on FitFreak against AJR's products. I'm amazed it took this long to reach the other car forums.

I'm currently running one of these exhausts, back then when I purchased it I didn't check for a plaque, or any form of authentication, just took the shops word for it. It doesn't sounds bad or looks "fake" by any means, just a bit bland looking. But what the hey! AJR was reputable and trustworthy, so here! Take my Visa.

Besides that, I have nothing bad to say about AJR, their service is pretty up there and they are a friendly bunch, everything else I have ordered came in just fine and authentic. The suspension setup I'm on which is also J's racing is 100% real, which is why I find that the exhausts being the only J's products that were deemed fake a bit weird.

http://j-sracingusa.com/images/knok%20off1.jpg

Buyer beware I guess, always check for authentication on the products you are goin gto spend your hard earned money on.

[!Tigger]

Spoon "Type One": http://typeone.jp/

"[Registrant] Spoon Co., Ltd."
http://www.whois.net/whois/typeone.jp

AJR T1R :http://www.typeoneracing.com/catalog/home.php

"Registrant: A&J Racing"

http://www.whois.net/whois/typeoneracing.com

[Ohkun]

We have only imported J's Racing products in the past. Whatever products J's Racing supplies us is what we sell to customers.

Regarding authenticity of parts, over 50% of the products we've received from J's Racing in the past may or may not have had J's Racing labels, badges, engravings, or stickers of "J's Racing". J's Racing did not notify us on any of these changes, so we was the importer at the time, were unaware of any changes made by J's.

AJ-Racing actually dropped the J's Racing line as of March 2009 due to internal issues that were never resolved in the past. In the last year, 8 North American dealers dropped J's Racing.

Regards,

Jason @ AJR


Hey everyone,

Regarding the issue of J's Racing products, some of the products we've received from J's Racing have had logos imprinted on them, however, some have never had a "J's Racing" logo on it. We, as the importer never received notification from J's Racing of any of these changes.

Above all else, countless J's Racing products we have received did not even include the J's Racing stickers.

We have picture proof from J's Racing who had sent us the photos and also photos we have taken of their products on our own end.

These can readily be posted upon request.

Regards,

Jason @ AJR




That is real. originally, we gave an X amount of quantity to get these made, we requested with 2 pieces design (for lower shipping cost for customers) no resonator (because we know the resonator will have high chance of breakage) and no colour on the muffler, only tip with gradient finish BUT anyhow, because of communication error, the exhaust were made with reinforced resonators and the muffler sits straighter. This particular exhaust did solved the previous resonator and rear muffler hangers hitting the subframe issues.

All these exhausts were imported in 2007 and if you asked me why the products didn't have sticker or badging, I seriously don't know what to say because for most of the time, they supplied the product like this.

AKA J's Racing North America's website = www.jsracing-net.com was an authorized website by j's. Most the information and material were supplied by them and we just hosted this site for information. Only some of the products that we have installed, we put up pictures to show customers fitment on USDM cars. For the ones we never installed, we have used the material which they supplied.



http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=718060&st=0


I don't know..

either

J's racing is trying to frame AJR

or

AJR is selling fake J's exhaust..



time will tell..

[Great68]

if your dumb enough to buy a $500 intake for a civic then maybe you deserve to be ripped off

Hahaha.

$900 for a muffler... I would say that the real J's racing is the bigger rip off.

[PK-EK]

LOL
"9) Notification of the issue to your father, Anthony"
I'm also going to be telling Mommy and Daddy about all the bad stuff you did

funny thing is, they actually live right down the street from me :D

[nns]

Just to clarify this,
"Type One" = Spoon subsidiary.
"T1R" or "Type One Racing" = some AJR brand like President's Choice is to Superstore.

Did I get that right?

[GabAlmighty]

Why would you pay money that much money for a muffler is just fucking retarded. Straight pipe ftw, and if you must pump something then atleast make it a glasspack or something straight through.

Anyways, they don't make shit for my car so as far as i'm concerned they can just go down the tube.

[turb0fr3ak]

i will be cancelling my orders tomorrow. i am not buying $6000 worth of fake shit. this is disappointing.

[SpuGen]

6 Grand worth of stuff from AJR?

So thats like what? 3 parts?
Their shit is way over priced.

[flagella]

AJR needs to chime in.

[Dinan3]

Oh damn. I'm going to go check out my J's exhaust.

[CP.AR]

this is going to be epic

[TRDood]

the dates on the other forums are last summer. lol

im surprised RS is being notified half a year later...
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[tofu1413]

*makes popcorn*

who wants some..?

[snow88]

me me me

[hotong]

holy fuck... Not going to purchase anything from them again.

[PavelGTR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVlX9Ve5Rv4

[TOS'd]

So...basically this all happened last year and however it was sorted out, J's Racing has decided to post the situation and the letter. I guess them doing that hints that the negotiating with AJR was not smooth. Cause as far as I know, AJR is still in business, almost a year after the impended deadline. So, just don't buy J's Racing stuff from AJR or if you do....you are stupid in the first place for spending so much money on a car part.

[tortoise1810]

http://www.jsracing.co.jp/js3/img/deadcopy/AJ_CANADA_(13).pdf

lol "AJ_CANADA"

[GabAlmighty]

i will be cancelling my orders tomorrow. i am not buying $6000 worth of fake shit. this is disappointing.

That's alot of fucking stickers... Gonna be over 9000 with that shit?

[crazyazn]

in for the popcorn

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

looks like a lot of ppl got owned

[R-Acs]

I'm not surprised. At all actually.
I haven't personally dealt with these guys (I don't drive a Japanese car) but a buddy of mine with a TSX has and the experience was nothing short of crap. A simple coilover install was a fucking gong show by the time everything was all said and done. Appointments were rescheduled, the coils weren't even installed properly in the end and to top it off they wanted to charge him extra when we went back to get them to fix the problem, riiight.
I've been around cars and shops since I could walk and I've never seen anything like this.

Hacks :gtfo:

[eurochevy]

isn't this the shop that has non-lisenced mechanics doing installs and shit? ...LAWLZ for the ppl who are dumb enough to let them work on ur car when they just average joes who don't know wtf they doing

[maxxxboost]

Ouch.

Goes to show you that people are willing to fuck people over just to make a buck.

[hkRicer]

Is this real...ouch.

[The_AK]

maybe this is why that AJR S2k got set on fire sometime back? Someone got ripped off real bad and wanted to take his anger out on the S2k?
...alittle too much to set a car on fire though

[eurochevy]

maybe this is why that AJR S2k got set on fire sometime back? Someone got ripped off real bad and wanted to take his anger out on the S2k?
...alittle too much to set a car on fire though

you just automatically made judgement saying thats why the car was set on fire lol doesn't mean it was cause of that however yes there is always the possibility thats what it was

[hal0g0dv2]

maybe this is why that AJR S2k got set on fire sometime back? Someone got ripped off real bad and wanted to take his anger out on the S2k?
...alittle too much to set a car on fire though

good call

[tofu1413]

good call

+1

[Nvasion]

+2

[BEEB]

Since this J's racing exhaust was brought up, I remember a few member from Subaru forum NASIOC.com had brought up a debate as of why the Volks Racing wheel sticker have a different color ? The set of Volks that was purchased from AJR had a different color than the set bought from another local shop.

T1R = Taiwanese made knock off products by AJR. (minimum 500% markup)
Type One Racing = Genuine Japanese brand by Spoon. (~100% markup)

These are guesstimation based on my previous job with a local car shop, japanese company, and self imported Taiwanese made car parts.

[The_AK]

you just automatically made judgement saying thats why the car was set on fire lol doesn't mean it was cause of that however yes there is always the possibility thats what it was
i did say maybe

[PiuYi]

wow i'm stunned by how it took a year for this to get to RS... always thought RS was super up to date central location for car enthusiasts...

but ANYWAY ya fuck AJR so over-priced n shit, glad i never got anything done there before

[jlenko]

Reading some of those threads... it's pretty obvious there was something going on there for a long time... and yes, it's just hitting RS now apparently.

Looks like a lot of A&J customers bought fake stuff.... shame, shame.

[umpadupa]

holy shit.. 6k of parts... and i want pop corn!!

[bcedhk]

AJR needs to chime in.

they ain't gonna chime in, they are probably packing their shit and booking the next cathy flight back to HK

[EndLeSS8]

I am out of word

[124Y]

Wow seriously? I just bought from them a couple of days ago...

[orange7]

does anyone on this forum know of ppl who got ownd?

[XshimaX]

hmm AJR seems to have posted up their response to the letter on the honda fit forum

http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/site-feedback-suggestions/52123-aj-racing-selling-fake-js-products-2.html

[1exotic]

hmm AJR seems to have posted up their response to the letter on the honda fit forum

http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/site-feedback-suggestions/52123-aj-racing-selling-fake-js-products-2.html

wow.........

i need popcorn.

[PiuYi]

if AJR was receiving shipments from J's with products that weren't branded, shouldn't it be AJR's responsibility to question J's about this? why continue selling a product if you're not even sure why the supplier is changing the product without notification?

AJR is a jer

[C-unit]

^ exactly.

Also they never explain why J's racing is having that letter on their site. AJR just keep avoiding to answer the question directly about why J's is having a letter like that.
Super fishy if you ask me.

[Meister1982]

if AJR was receiving shipments from J's with products that weren't branded, shouldn't it be AJR's responsibility to question J's about this? why continue selling a product if you're not even sure why the supplier is changing the product without notification?

AJR is a jer

that's pretty common, Spoon sports's older gen products like duckbill spoilers does not have any logo or badges on them.

The response is leading us somewhere else. The point is not the fact that they did not have logos or badges on it, but that some of the actual products that AJ Racing distributes are fake and made somewhere else.

[Eros250]

glad didnt buy their over priced shit, or from their affiliates.

thumbs down for scammers

[felixy69]

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20100109/18/umemotojunichi/a1/36/j/o0500037510369992394.jpg

i guess they are not friends any more....:( that's so sad

[SpuGen]

hmm AJR seems to have posted up their response to the letter on the honda fit forum

http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/site-feedback-suggestions/52123-aj-racing-selling-fake-js-products-2.html

Lol. Poor little employee is being used as the sacrificial lamb.

Not surprising that this didn't end up on RS for a while.
Those who don't own Hondas, don't care about AJR. Those who do, probably have one of these fake parts and don't want to admit it since they paid a premium for fake JDM shit.

[felixy69]

Hey Everyone,

This is not something new. During 2009 summer there were posts going on in regards AJR and J's Racing already.

We have responded to previous posts and we have already told our side of the story. Anyways, for those who found this thread new and interesting, I will post our side of the story again and I will keep this simple.

Firstly, the parts we sold were supplied by J's Racing. Ever since day one when we imported the products, over 50% of the products we received did not have logos, originally packaging, catalogs or even stickers. I can speak for myself as well as AJR since I was the one who had packaged some of these products. We have been challenged by customers who had purchased these parts from us in the past saying these products were kind of sketch. There was nothing we could do if the products came to us in that condition.

Secondly, J's stated they had never made any "special edition" products like USDM versions, this was not true. There were numberous products made such as, USDM Grills, lip spoiler (GD3,FG2), GT wings (FG2)....etc. that's false info. Maybe if you got nothing to do you can run a search and you will find them.

Thirdly, there are many waranty issues, quality issues, fitment issues and missing components with the parts...............etc. JUST SEARCH on any Honda forums, you will find them. Broken or defected products never been replaced nor warranteed by the manufacturer. Those waranteed products were covered by AJR itself by paying out of it's own pocket.

Fourthly, J's Racing claimed that AJR has been selling knock off J's Racing products. Well, if the supplier supplied their products with no packaging, stickers or badgings, and denying the authenticy, what should we do??? Now this situation ended up like this.

I have been working at AJR since 2008 and I have not seen a single knock off branded product while I was doing all AJR's inventory and shipping work back at that time. I am not trying to defend the company that I work for since I can just simply pack and go without giving a damn, BUT if AJR has to be bad mouthed for no reason, I think I have to stand up for it.

Once last thing regarding to Mr. J's letter, if everything is true, AJR should have closed down and wait to get sued instead of kept up and running.

Regards,

Jason @ AJR

found this reply on fitfreak.net
one thing i want to bring out is that EVERYTHING IS MADE IN CHINA !
i am not saying they did or not, but IF they did sell fake J's parts....it would prob be made in the same factory as the REAL j's parts.

[TOS'd]

^ fake is fake. doesnt matter if its made in the same factory.

[hk20000]

J's Racing don't send stuff out to China... They are too small-time for that actually.

Spoon, however....? Naaaw I'll leave that to you.

[Benz_05TSX]

Just look up all the users w/ AJR in their Username and make those fanboys chime in!!!

Lucky I only bought Mugen products w/ Mugen box once form AJR and OEM Honda shit, hahahhaa. Oh well, J's is way over priced anyways,

[felixy69]

Just look up all the users w/ AJR in their Username and make those fanboys chime in!!!

Lucky I only bought Mugen products w/ Mugen box once form AJR and OEM Honda shit, hahahhaa. Oh well, J's is way over priced anyways,



hahahaha AJR fan boyz...hahaha
if J's racing packing tape can be replicate...what makes u think mugen box can't ?...never be so sure son !

[TRD Rs200]

OH SHIT~ G FUCKING G!!! MY CATBACK!!

[Harvey Specter]

Wow, just wow.

[FeistyBearH22a]

Holy crap that's pretty scandalous... Thank God i didn't buy anything from them.

[EmOne]

they ain't gonna chime in, they are probably packing their shit and booking the next cathy flight back to HK

no shit


just look at the people that are working in there. I went in there to take a look at a seat, and that dood barely spoke any english. While the guys in the garage that was working on cars was blasting loud honger music, puffing a cig and talking loudly in canto with this buddy.

after that time, i never went back and saw that place as a joke, and the people that worked and ran it.

[StylinRed]

I believe it spawned from this thread on fitreak:

http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-exhaust-systems/44601-post-up-your-fake-js-racing-50r-2.html



wow.... its funny how there are AJ Racing fans who are trying to call BS even after the fact that its on J Racings website

and that Guinness guy on fitfreak (looks like he's a local too) is basically calling BS AND saying "so what? they(AJR) have great customer service.... lol no shit they're going to treat you nice.... they're taking you for a ride anyways..

From that site... (AJ Pwr Jr. is supposedly AJR) the quote from TekXoid just makes sense

Originally Posted by TekXoID

I don't get it, this statement is halfway between an admittance of guilt and a promise of authenticity.

* They have always been an unauthorized distributor.

* They had previously mentioned that their version of the exhaust was an "AJR" edition, while J's Racing claims that this "edition" does not exist.

* They claim "Genuine" when their "version" does not have any manufacturer stamp or anything that would provide credibility that it was made by J's. J's has never done that with any of their products. If that's not enough, ask yourself why would the silencer mounting hole be removed and overall weld quality look so much worse?
Originally Posted by AJ PwR Jr.
Hi Guys,

I would like to clarify our relation with J's Racing. Sadly, our business relation ended few months ago due to numerous internal issues. We never had any contract with J's Racing saying that we were their authorized distributor ever since day one when we started to import J's Racing products. Plus we never claimed ourselves as "OFFICIAL".

All the products we supplied were all genuine and if you have any issue with any products we sold, please contact us at sales@aj-racing.com

Regards,
Ben



as to all the other responses from AJR stating that many products from J's Racing came without logos etc... it almost sounds like they're saying the product that JsRacing bought to test for authenticity IS a Js Racing Product (one of the ones that came with no logos, etc) ;)





edit: final note Reading the threads from these other forums makes me appreciate the fobs on RS more... their engrish isnt anywhere near as bad as those other sites

[willcls]

so J's racing side of the story is that ajr made a copy and selling it as legit.
ajr saying they got it like that from J's...
I work in manufacturing and i have to tell you guys it would be very unusual for J's to make a "special batch" just for ajr. when u manufacture a product there is usually a high level of automation or assembly line and every product should be identical to the rest. why would j"s make ones that are a couple millimeters smaller and without titanium burn marks and no logo. it would actually cost them more to change the design halfway thru production just to make a "special batch"
talk about flushing your reputation down the toilet

[vo_hantu]

Phew luckily I didn't buy any J's Racing products, but I do own a couple T1R products. Those T1R products are performing at the track and showing gains so I am happy for now.

Off-topics, but for those that are worried about authentics parts (this could save you your hard earned cheque).
Guys if you want to buy genuwine, authentic parts I deal with my buddies in the states http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/

These guys are the real deal with a personal shipping container from JPN->US...the owners/buddies are even in Japan at the Amuse/ASM shop as we speak...

One of many proofs, cuz I'm sure everyone is uncertain at one point in time spending $$$
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=757076

[Timpo]

so are they gonna stay in business?

maybe change the name? and do the same thing?
apparently that's what happens to a lot of kingsway dealership.

[FeistyBearH22a]

Phew luckily I didn't buy any J's Racing products, but I do own a couple T1R products. Those T1R products are performing at the track and showing gains so I am happy for now.

Off-topics, but for those that are worried about authentics parts (this could save you your hard earned cheque).
Guys if you want to buy genuwine, authentic parts I deal with my buddies in the states http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/

These guys are the real deal with a personal shipping container from JPN->US...the owners/buddies are even in Japan at the Amuse/ASM shop as we speak...

One of many proofs, cuz I'm sure everyone is uncertain at one point in time spending $$$
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=757076

I would thread carefully. The post is about AJ racing and it's relationship with J's Racing. No one asked where/which shops to use to get authentic goods. I understand that may be trying to help but to be honest, no one gives a flying monkey ass about bulletproofperformance whether or not their "legit".

[vo_hantu]

Alright, well I'm not going to edit it cuz you quoted it for me haha.

You can delete if you want, I don't care.

[MK-EK]

yay thank god i didn't buy shit from them!
LOL maybe his GTR is just a big body kit on like a VW beetle or something HAHAHA
vvvrrrrrroooooooooom!

[Greenstoner]

hahaha... Rich hongers scaming rich hongers , interesting

[Jsunu]

Oh man this is ridicucrunkulous!

But seriously though, even if they were receiving 'fake' parts for J's themselves (which i highly doubt but for the sake of argument they were) why would they continue to sell them as genuine and at full price??!? If anything, this will further discredit the shop as they will simply sell knock offs to customers regardless of the quality and just play dumb.

Just remember, they didn't DENY the fact that knockoffs were sold, they just blamed J's for it.

[freakshow]

Remember, authentic mods only, Hate FAKE!!!

http://www.revscene.net/forums/real-rsx-s-t363078.html?t=363078

[Gt-R R34]

so J's racing side of the story is that ajr made a copy and selling it as legit.
ajr saying they got it like that from J's...
I work in manufacturing and i have to tell you guys it would be very unusual for J's to make a "special batch" just for ajr. when u manufacture a product there is usually a high level of automation or assembly line and every product should be identical to the rest. why would j"s make ones that are a couple millimeters smaller and without titanium burn marks and no logo. it would actually cost them more to change the design halfway thru production just to make a "special batch"
talk about flushing your reputation down the toilet

+1
Product and quality control of a company no matter how small matters. Therefore, I'd side with J's racing on this one.

[XshimaX]

Oh man this is ridicucrunkulous!

But seriously though, even if they were receiving 'fake' parts for J's themselves (which i highly doubt but for the sake of argument they were) why would they continue to sell them as genuine and at full price??!? If anything, this will further discredit the shop as they will simply sell knock offs to customers regardless of the quality and just play dumb.

Just remember, they didn't DENY the fact that knockoffs were sold, they just blamed J's for it.

how would they be able to verify the parts received from J's were fake though
and if the shipments sent by J's are fake, then what's real :confused:

[simsimi1004]

AJ should've asked J's racing about products, especially if things changed without notification.

[TOPEC]

dam fitfreak link down, nothing to see.

[Jsunu]

how would they be able to verify the parts received from J's were fake though
and if the shipments sent by J's are fake, then what's real :confused:

They should've verified with J's to see if these were authentic parts. And i mean come on, look exhaust comparisons, there was a huge difference between the faked vs real products. If I was a shop that was selling at the prices AJR were I would make sure the parts I see were at least up to the standard of the price given.

[The_AK]

Remember, authentic mods only, Hate FAKE!!!

http://www.revscene.net/forums/real-rsx-s-t363078.html?t=363078

LOL I like where that thread was heading,
The problem is not that the parts are replicas, the problem is that the parts are replicas being passed off as the real shit being priced the same as the real stuff,
It's like walking into a watch store, buying something that looks like a rolex for 5grand and then finding out that it's Made In China in some basement for a total cost of $60 and ends up falling apart

Or you meet some girl at the club, cum inside of her, find out shes only in grade 12, so you buy a Prada bag for her to make things right, she fibds out the bag is a fake and decides to have the kid,

I'm sure that it would anger many
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[S14]

Everyone knows that AJR make their own branded product "T1R" in taiwan/china.
How hard to order the same manufacturer to copy the J's Racing products?

[Naka San]

I've been modding my cars for a long time and have been to a lot of shops, and for those that has been around would know how JDM companies always get sour eventually. I have purchased and owned a J's racing exhaust for my s2000, my other friend has owned multiple j's racing exhaust for the s2000. To be honest i think the J's racing exhaust (Authentic) is crap, why? because people who owns them especially s2k owners. They would start to rattle due to poorly built resonator if you drive it a bit intensely, the 02 Bung has fell off from other S2K guys in the states and J's racing didn't want to replace it, so AJ helped by pocketing their own money to satisfy the customer. If you search on S2Ki a lot of J's exhaust just poorly made, and they are 100% Authentic. JDM shit is all overrated, but to be Honest again though, their quality and consistency isn't anything to brag about anyway.

Not trying to help J's or AJ Racing but i personally dealt with AJ-R they know the pro's and con's. I had great experience dealing with A&J Racing

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=718060&st=100 This was posted back in Dec

[blanktape]

^ AJ Fan boy...

Stick to the topic, the problem is the replica. Dont bring up other issues you have with J's and mislead the thread.

Cant believe people are buying AJR / T1R products which have 0 research and development.

[XshimaX]

They should've verified with J's to see if these were authentic parts. And i mean come on, look exhaust comparisons, there was a huge difference between the faked vs real products. If I was a shop that was selling at the prices AJR were I would make sure the parts I see were at least up to the standard of the price given.

ya AJR should've really questioned on the changes that were made by J's without notice, where J's QC would be questioned, because I don't think anyone would've guessed the products coming straight from the manufacturer to be fake.

We only know those are knockoffs now because J's has made a statement, but even then it has not been stated officially on whether those knockoffs in question were obtained from AJR.

I'm giving AJR the benefits of the doubt because I'd like to believe a local reputable shop would not do such a thing.
So right now I'm seeing this more as a drama as an aftermath from a business deal that went sour

[dicecube]

ya AJR should've really questioned on the changes that were made by J's without notice, where J's QC would be questioned, because I don't think anyone would've guessed the products coming straight from the manufacturer to be fake.

We only know those are knockoffs now because J's has made a statement, but even then it has not been stated officially on whether those knockoffs in question were obtained from AJR.

I'm giving AJR the benefits of the doubt because I'd like to believe a local reputable shop would not do such a thing.
So right now I'm seeing this more as a drama as an aftermath from a business deal that went sour

Why? To make $$
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[RotaryX]

Hmmmm... This is interesting...

From what I know and seen on s2ki forums.... 90% of J's exhausts will break lol.... I know a few friends who owned these exhausts as well and they all broke. I know AJ stood by the customers side and requested J's to send replacement exhausts, but that never came lol... Looks like J's doesn't stand by their owns products... gg LOL...

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=712222&st=0

[Jsunu]

Hmmmm... This is interesting...

From what I know and seen on s2ki forums.... 90% of J's exhausts will break lol.... I know a few friends who owned these exhausts as well and they all broke. I know AJ stood by the customers side and requested J's to send replacement exhausts, but that never came lol... Looks like J's doesn't stand by their owns products... gg LOL...

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=712222&st=0

Listen, we are not debating the quality of J's products AT ALL. All we are discussing is the fact that whether or no AJR is willinglying and DELIBERATELY selling fake items at authentic item's cost.

It is like this, say you are purchasing a bag at the price set by the manufacturer. But the store is selling fakes and keeping the profit from such high margins as a result. Now some douche says the store is in the right just because the bag in question is shitty to begin with. See how retarded the argument is?

To be honest, I think everyone needs more information before we make any informed opinions on this matter.

[you!]

so J's racing side of the story is that ajr made a copy and selling it as legit.
ajr saying they got it like that from J's...
I work in manufacturing and i have to tell you guys it would be very unusual for J's to make a "special batch" just for ajr. when u manufacture a product there is usually a high level of automation or assembly line and every product should be identical to the rest. why would j"s make ones that are a couple millimeters smaller and without titanium burn marks and no logo. it would actually cost them more to change the design halfway thru production just to make a "special batch"
talk about flushing your reputation down the toilet

quoted from http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/greater-vancouver-bc-community/24919-js-exhaust-real-fake.html#post302025

I knwo soon or later guys will ask me this question. We have made special request for J's to build us AJR edition which are similars to the one that we offer for S2000. Because of some mis-communication, the product were made not the way we requested so we have to sell them at a lower price because we have to get rid of them.

The exhaust that you have is REAL so there's nothing to worry about.

they say that they've asked j's to make a special "ajr" batch for them and on another post they say that the shipment of products from j's suddenly changed and that they were not notified about this change....lol ajr is total bs

still waiting for them to chime in on this thread

[RotaryX]

Listen, we are not debating the quality of J's products AT ALL. All we are discussing is the fact that whether or no AJR is willinglying and DELIBERATELY selling fake items at authentic item's cost.

It is like this, say you are purchasing a bag at the price set by the manufacturer. But the store is selling fakes and keeping the profit from such high margins as a result. Now some douche says the store is in the right just because the bag in question is shitty to begin with. See how retarded the argument is?

To be honest, I think everyone needs more information before we make any informed opinions on this matter.

I know where you're coming from bro, but what I'm trying to say is if J's isn't standing up to their products due to this quality issue, you can definately question something about them as well...

What if a business deal did go sour between AJ and J's and J's is blaming AJ for something?

Thats just my 2 cents....

[G-spec]

yo since the fanboys are chiming in, instead of giving them the courtesy of a response which they don't deserve, you guys should just immediately fail their and other irrelevant comments which are trying to distract the rest of us from the real issue.... this way we see failed posts and your typical forum user would at least be able to weed out the bullshit...

I'm giving the thumbs up and a smile to every car I see with AJR stickers from now on..

why did this take so long to reach RS ? a year ?? are they a sponsor on here or something ? I got add blocker on my browser so I never get to see any sponsor ads

[hk20000]

yo since the fanboys are chiming in, instead of giving them the courtesy of a response which they don't deserve, you guys should just immediately fail their and other irrelevant comments which are trying to distract the rest of us from the real issue.... this way we see failed posts and your typical forum user would at least be able to weed out the bullshit...

Here I tried to do that for you. Crap the J's Racing thermostat on my AP86 is probably fake too then LOL.

[Greenstoner]

i hope this thread doesnt get remove, im hoping to see more drama. That also proved a theory, people tend to buy branded name products when their quality are equal or simliar to knock off items. Hahaha, they cant tell the difference.

[RotaryX]

yo since the fanboys are chiming in, instead of giving them the courtesy of a response which they don't deserve, you guys should just immediately fail their and other irrelevant comments which are trying to distract the rest of us from the real issue.... this way we see failed posts and your typical forum user would at least be able to weed out the bullshit...

I'm giving the thumbs up and a smile to every car I see with AJR stickers from now on..

why did this take so long to reach RS ? a year ?? are they a sponsor on here or something ? I got add blocker on my browser so I never get to see any sponsor ads

I'm not a fanboy, just giving my 2 cents. Everyone should have their opinion on this, I'm just at a neutral stance.

However, you sound like quite the hater lol...

[Greenstoner]

If thats true, wonder what else is knock off that they are selling?

[you!]

prob almost all of their shit, similar incident happened with some fake spoon stuff they had before

[Roach]

Hmmmm... This is interesting...

From what I know and seen on s2ki forums.... 90% of J's exhausts will break lol.... I know a few friends who owned these exhausts as well and they all broke. I know AJ stood by the customers side and requested J's to send replacement exhausts, but that never came lol... Looks like J's doesn't stand by their owns products... gg LOL...

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=712222&st=0

Why should J's send a replacement authentic exhaust for a fake one that failed?

More money in AJ's pocket.

My girlfriend's fake LV purse from night market is failing. Do you think you can walk into Holt Renfrew and get it replaced?

Try to stay on topic. This isn't about J's product quality or J's standing by their products. This is about potential fraud

Kev

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

really weird how this whole incident didnt blow out of porportion, and its been like 6 months ago. Surprise AJ still gets customers, hell im surprise they havent even close down the shitty ass shop. NOt long ago they just moved to a new location as well



man fuck AJ, just shows how desparate ppl get when it comes to money

[EmOne]

lol, somebody call them and ask them what the hell is going on.

If they are still in business.


heres their "grand reopening" pic thread

http://www.revscene.net/forums/j-r-grand-t576842.html?t=576842&highlight=grand+opening

[RotaryX]

Why should J's send a replacement authentic exhaust for a fake one that failed?

More money in AJ's pocket.

My girlfriend's fake LV purse from night market is failing. Do you think you can walk into Holt Renfrew and get it replaced?

Try to stay on topic. This isn't about J's product quality or J's standing by their products. This is about potential fraud

Kev

You got a good point there Kev. But what if these exhausts weren't purchased from AJ but from another supplier from the states?

Maybe these are real J's exhaust, but still no replacement? Hard to tell since those users on s2ki never stated who they purchased from.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

lol they are, they moved to a really desserted area, its like a no-mans land

funny i was just thinking about getting J's valve cover, guess i will be saving money painting it my own


UPDATE : Yup, confirmed with couple insiders, AJ DID sell fake shit. BUt not every application they sold was fake from Js racing

[buddy]

i dun know what to say ... consider knowing Ben since AJ sold only go-kart parts ...

get me thinking if they are real Bape shirts he's wearing all the time ...

[Meister1982]

lol they are, they moved to a really desserted area, its like a no-mans land

funny i was just thinking about getting J's valve cover, guess i will be saving money painting it my own


UPDATE : Yup, confirmed with couple insiders, AJ DID sell fake shit. BUt not every application they sold was fake from Js racing

please elaborate!

[TRDood]

i'm surprised RS didn't make any creative pics yet.
here, i will start.

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/shortkid_555/ajrowned.jpg

[FeistyBearH22a]

LOL

[umpadupa]

i'm surprised RS didn't make any creative pics yet.
here, i will start.

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/shortkid_555/ajrowned.jpg

good start man ahah

[tofu1413]

i'm surprised RS didn't make any creative pics yet.
here, i will start.

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/shortkid_555/ajrowned.jpg

a picture is indeed worth a thousand words. :thumbsup:

[Hondaracer]

you mean those $250 T1R lug nuts arent actually worth $250? OH MY GOD

[TOS'd]

i'm surprised RS didn't make any creative pics yet.
here, i will start.

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/shortkid_555/ajrowned.jpg

er....im pretty sure that ajr would use REAL j's racing products on their car. when they knowingly sold fake shit to ppl, i doubt they would use the fake shit on their car.

[TRDood]

er....im pretty sure that ajr would use REAL j's racing products on their car. when they knowingly sold fake shit to ppl, i doubt they would use the fake shit on their car.

No. Most AJR cars around town with that those pig stickers are customers cars.
they put those stickers on to either
1. attention whore
2. AJR discounts

[xherrox]

i'm surprised RS didn't make any creative pics yet.
here, i will start.

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/shortkid_555/ajrowned.jpg



Yo man.. the pic you post.. dude thats a tow hook. I have it on my fit too..

[lonelydriver]

^^LOL yeah it is.

[bcedhk]

why do you need a tow hook on a FIT... can't handle all 96whp and need it tow off the ditch?

Im sure all the AJ sticker car owners are all going "DIUU!"

[flagella]

people were probably told each ajr sticker offers extra 5whp

[TOS'd]

No. Most AJR cars around town with that those pig stickers are customers cars.
they put those stickers on to either
1. attention whore
2. AJR discounts

sry...i just assumed with an "AJ-R" license plate..that they have some sort of connection with the AJR company, not the posers with stickers to add hp. :rolleyes:

EDIT: dude you are so right. only customer cars would decorate their cars with ajr decals AND get a personalized license plate that says AJ-R..

http://www.aj-racing.com/gallery/plog-content/thumbs/aj-racing-project-cars/ajr-gd3/large/37-dsc_0741.jpg

[umpadupa]

isnt there a corolla with the pig sticker on tits side mirrors?

[TRDood]

sry...i just assumed with an "AJ-R" license plate..that they have some sort of connection with the AJR company, not the posers with stickers to add hp. :rolleyes:

EDIT: dude you are so right. only customer cars would decorate their cars with ajr decals AND get a personalized license plate that says AJ-R..

http://www.aj-racing.com/gallery/plog-content/thumbs/aj-racing-project-cars/ajr-gd3/large/37-dsc_0741.jpg

yea, that one is AJ-R plate is probably owned my AJ-R

Yo man.. the pic you post.. dude thats a tow hook. I have it on my fit too..

haha, what do you expect from a 2 min MS Paint job. :mad:

[TOS'd]

yea, that one is AJ-R plate is probably owned my AJ-R

really now....you think, that a Fit with personalized AJ-R license plate is PROBABLY owned by AJR? which is also featured on their own website? saying its their own car?

that fit most likely has all authentic J's Racing products on it.

[bcedhk]

i believe one of the father of AJ drives a silver-gray FIT with "j-racing" kit but no stickers at all and a generic plate.

[StylinRed]

some posts on fitfreak seem to suggest that A&J sold fake spoon and 5zigen products in the past or products that were highly suspect but the question was dismissed because it came from A&J...

They're certainly bringing Chinese fakes to a whole new level

really now....you think, that a Fit with personalized AJ-R license plate is PROBABLY owned by AJR? which is also featured on their own website? saying its their own car?

that fit most likely has all authentic J's Racing products on it.

dude.... no one cares if that car is owned by AJR or not........ like seriously??? wth does that have to do with them selling fake shit? who cares if the picture that is used is one owned by AJR....... infact isn't that Fitting that it is??? (since they are the accused culprits)

[MK-EK]

No. Most AJR cars around town with that those pig stickers are customers cars.
they put those stickers on to either
1. attention whore
2. AJR discounts

Correct me if i'm wrong but that Pig is actually the mascot of Young magazine (A magazine published in the 1980s Featuring INITIAL D as one of their mangas). Also this pig is always on the side mirror of rally car driver Petter solberg's car which subsequently got it deemed as the "subie pig".

In my conclusions ... AJ's PIG is a FAKE ... most likely made in China ... on contrary to popular belief of the 5hp sticker... this pig adds ONLY 3hp ... will need to purchase 2 times as many stickers to make up for the loss! RIP OFF!

[.Renn.Sport]

Correct me if i'm wrong but that Pig is actually the mascot of Young magazine (A magazine published in the 1980s Featuring INITIAL D as one of their mangas). Also this pig is always on the side mirror of rally car driver Petter solberg's car which subsequently got it deemed as the "subie pig".

In my conclusions ... AJ's PIG is a FAKE ... most likely made in China ... on contrary to popular belief of the 5hp sticker... this pig adds ONLY 3hp ... will need to purchase 2 times as many stickers to make up for the loss! RIP OFF!

AJR pig is photochopped version of the original
http://store.hspn.com/pc/catalog/rallypig_white_1425_general.jpg

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2580/1101/6448050236_large.jpg

[10W-30]

Talk is cheap...

Seriously, get a hold of a few customers who bought J's exhaust thru AJR (with receipts saying "J's Racing" of course). Get J's to verify the product's authenticity and provide supporting evidence.

If proved real, then case closed.

If proved fake, then start a class action suit from the consumer's end!

Counterfeit items should not be tolerated, period.

[S14]

Talk is cheap...

Seriously, get a hold of a few customers who bought J's exhaust thru AJR (with receipts saying "J's Racing" of course). Get J's to verify the product's authenticity and provide supporting evidence.

If proved real, then case closed.

If proved fake, then start a class action suit from the consumer's end!

Counterfeit items should not be tolerated, period.

Have you read the letter?

In order to verify the information and to get the clear evidence we actually purchased a product from you for an inspection. Regrettably we found that you not only copied the product but also copied our packing tape and box to make the product look exactly like a genuine J’s Racing product.

[Mr.Jay]

yea, you kinda completely miss the points in the letter and starting posting

[10W-30]

Have you read the letter?

I read the letter. I haven't read other forums.

From what I read it seems like only J's and AJR are pointing fingers at each other. What I'm concerned about is the actual consumer. In my opinion they are the ones who got scammed the most. So if J's can demand a compensation, shouldn't the guys who possibly bought counterfeit products have the right to?

[k20a]

why do you need a tow hook on a FIT... can't handle all 96whp and need it tow off the ditch?

Im sure all the AJ sticker car owners are all going "DIUU!"

i think during Button Willow, if you are in the sand you might need a tow out. lol

[Doridori]

how about this approach?

http://www.ctv.ca/consumer/

[hotong]

Ajr is going to loose alot of customers.

[hal0g0dv2]

good thread to start the year off

[BMW135i]

Damn thats gonna be painful if it really sells fake.

[smk]

good thing i didn't buy the t1r exhaust yet!

[jbsali]

wow this company is fucked if they're selling counterfeit goods.

[XtC-604]

I've been modding my cars for a long time and have been to a lot of shops, and for those that has been around would know how JDM companies always get sour eventually. I have purchased and owned a J's racing exhaust for my s2000, my other friend has owned multiple j's racing exhaust for the s2000. To be honest i think the J's racing exhaust (Authentic) is crap, why? because people who owns them especially s2k owners. They would start to rattle due to poorly built resonator if you drive it a bit intensely, the 02 Bung has fell off from other S2K guys in the states and J's racing didn't want to replace it, so AJ helped by pocketing their own money to satisfy the customer. If you search on S2Ki a lot of J's exhaust just poorly made, and they are 100% Authentic. JDM shit is all overrated, but to be Honest again though, their quality and consistency isn't anything to brag about anyway.

Not trying to help J's or AJ Racing but i personally dealt with AJ-R they know the pro's and con's. I had great experience dealing with A&J Racing

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=718060&st=100 This was posted back in Dec
I don't have any J's parts on my car except the front lip. From what i've seen with J's the fitment of their parts is actually really shitty, seen kits ordered from bulletproof, gotuning, and evasive including my front half lip.

ya AJR should've really questioned on the changes that were made by J's without notice, where J's QC would be questioned, because I don't think anyone would've guessed the products coming straight from the manufacturer to be fake.

We only know those are knockoffs now because J's has made a statement, but even then it has not been stated officially on whether those knockoffs in question were obtained from AJR.

I'm giving AJR the benefits of the doubt because I'd like to believe a local reputable shop would not do such a thing.
So right now I'm seeing this more as a drama as an aftermath from a business deal that went sour
Agreed, in addition have you guys thought about it this way? T1R is taking alot of business away from J's. So that could be a reason for why J's racing might want to try and blame AJR for all of this.
Hmmmm... This is interesting...

From what I know and seen on s2ki forums.... 90% of J's exhausts will break lol.... I know a few friends who owned these exhausts as well and they all broke. I know AJ stood by the customers side and requested J's to send replacement exhausts, but that never came lol... Looks like J's doesn't stand by their owns products... gg LOL...

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=712222&st=0
AJ-R's service has been really good, actually one of the bests i've been to. Jason is always dependable on honest opinions.

lol they are, they moved to a really desserted area, its like a no-mans land

funny i was just thinking about getting J's valve cover, guess i will be saving money painting it my own


UPDATE : Yup, confirmed with couple insiders, AJ DID sell fake shit. BUt not every application they sold was fake from Js racing
So elaborate on this. Proof or you could be charged for defamation.

[LiquidTurbo]

Man.. if this is true.. did they really think they'd eventually get away with this???

[FeistyBearH22a]

Man.. if this is true.. did they really think they'd eventually get away with this???

It looks like they got away with it for several years.

[StylinRed]

I don't have any J's parts on my car except the front lip. From what i've seen with J's the fitment of their parts is actually really shitty, seen kits ordered from bulletproof, gotuning, and evasive including my front half lip.


Agreed, in addition have you guys thought about it this way? T1R is taking alot of business away from J's. So that could be a reason for why J's racing might want to try and blame AJR for all of this.

AJ-R's service has been really good, actually one of the bests i've been to. Jason is always dependable on honest opinions.


So elaborate on this. Proof or you could be charged for defamation.

what the hell does the quality of Js Racing products have to do with anything?

why are these fanbois supporting a company thats screwing them...

[Jsunu]

So elaborate on this. Proof or you could be charged for defamation.
What the christ!?! seriously?

Oh shit guys, watch it, its the INTERNET LAWYERS

[too_slow]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH


Buddy, you're an eff-ing joke. You should just keep your god damn trap shut.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

xtc u really are a AJR fag boy arent you

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[XtC-604]

xtc u really are a AJR fag boy arent you

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

K i really don't give a shit if AJR goes out of business, but what i'm trying to say is, unless you heard it straight from the guys that are in the know, then don't be posting shit. To clarify i don't have a pig sticker on my car, im not affiliated with AJR and i told you to show some proof, and you got none, so stfu?

EDIT: i like how anyone trying to speculate another reason behind this is being flamed/failed. I guess no one here is mature enough to debate/prompt reasons. Its not like i get money or anything from arguing with you guys, so stop making it sound like i'm being paid by AJR.

[illicitstylz]

Well in that case surprised nobody that is sponsered by ajr has posted yet.
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[Jsunu]

K i really don't give a shit if AJR goes out of business, but what i'm trying to say is, unless you heard it straight from the guys that are in the know, then don't be posting shit. To clarify i don't have a pig sticker on my car, im not affiliated with AJR and i told you to show some proof, and you got none, so stfu?

I really dont give a shit about the other stuff you indicated in your post, I was just posting how insanely retarded it is to try to sue some for defamanation... over the internet... in an anomous internet board.... for a car shop.... regarding the ongoing validity of their parts...

[5 Zigen]

honestly, this is such a drama for the past year and I personally is still doing business with AJR just because of the benefits of the doubts.

When everyone thinks everything J's says is right, and they failed people who stands for AJR, this is just like little kid hear something bad about a person and automatically thinks that person is BAD...:confused:

When the very first time I saw those pictures, first thing I wondered is: if they are going to copy something, why wouldn't they copy it to 95% if not 100%; that is so off to a point I wouldn't say pictures would tell, it just looks like two seperate brand product that somewhat looks similiar. This is not the way people copy brand name handbag / clothings etc, right? who would buy it?

Thru out the years I think T1R is doing not bad (even tho not my personal fav), I would get Spoon / Mugen parts for my beloved EK yet I would never get J's; it has been like knock off quality with a superior LOOK when it's NEW, yet good luck after a short while...but what does this post has to do with T1R?

I am not standing on neither side of J's or AJR, just a personal thought why J's wouldn't know AJR is selling their so called "fake" exhaust for like 2 years+, and wouldn't say a word until they got a new distributor in the states then everything just seems so "out of nowhere" and they became the victim. Don't forget, internet is a really quick place to spread the words, I'm sure people in Japan would have noticed such an issue within less than 3 months!? It's just a little bit too much of a coincident to me.

I'm sure there is a reason why AJR didn't say a word on here as they should be some legal actions taking in between the two business?! it's funny when J's racing statement says the issue should notify Anthony, it's like an elementary school teacher wants to interview a student's parents...:haha:

I really hope the issue can be settle then we will know who is right, who is wrong soon...but one day AJR is still around, that mean we should still give them the benefits OF the doubts because I'm pretty sure if they really MADE those FAKE exhaust, after almost a year J's should be able to knock them out of business long time ago...

come on guys, it's good for everyone to know such an issue but shouldn't we look for the outcome for this lawsuit first? we are not a judge or anything and I'm sure there will be people who is happy with this local shop but not happy with others, or happy everywhere else yet not with this local shop; I'm a licensed mechanic as well and I truely understand lots of the time one just can't make everyone happy ~ some people would think one does good work and is willing to pay more; some people would think one is expensive and he doesn't care how well you did the job for him ~ you are just expensive; some people wouldn't even care about what you did and they just paid for the agreed price (which of course, lots of the time I can see that's a rip off!)

cheers up everyone and I'm really waiting to see the outcome for this issue, as per J's described! Yet it could be a long and lasting one, it could be boring at the end (cause we are already too excited now)...;)

[XtC-604]

I really dont give a shit about the other stuff you indicated in your post, I was just posting how insanely retarded it is to try to sue some for defamanation... over the internet... in an anomous internet board.... for a car shop.... regarding the ongoing validity of their parts...
I was being sincere in warning that DEFAMATION is pretty serious stuff, especially when it comes to a big reputable shop and that one should tread carefully, in any case it wouldn't be me suing, i'm warning. Trust me there have been more retarded cases in law. Heard of the woman that sued McDonalds because their cup didn't say CAUTION on it?

[too_slow]

^Amen... I think this thread should be locked until an official response from AJR is posted on their website.

(this was referring to 5Ziggen's post)

[XtC-604]

what the hell does the quality of Js Racing products have to do with anything?

why are these fanbois supporting a company thats screwing them...\
I just told you, i don't even have any J's parts, other than a front lip and i didn't even buy that it came on the car.

[BlackZRoadster]

honestly, this is such a drama for the past year and I personally is still doing business with AJR just because of the benefits of the doubts.

When everyone thinks everything J's says is right, and they failed people who stands for AJR, this is just like little kid hear something bad about a person and automatically thinks that person is BAD...:confused:

When the very first time I saw those pictures, first thing I wondered is: if they are going to copy something, why wouldn't they copy it to 95% if not 100%; that is so off to a point I wouldn't say pictures would tell, it just looks like two seperate brand product that somewhat looks similiar. This is not the way people copy brand name handbag / clothings etc, right? who would buy it?

Thru out the years I think T1R is doing not bad (even tho not my personal fav), I would get Spoon / Mugen parts for my beloved EK yet I would never get J's; it has been like knock off quality with a superior LOOK when it's NEW, yet good luck after a short while...but what does this post has to do with T1R?

I am not standing on neither side of J's or AJR, just a personal thought why J's wouldn't know AJR is selling their so called "fake" exhaust for like 2 years+, and wouldn't say a word until they got a new distributor in the states then everything just seems so "out of nowhere" and they became the victim. Don't forget, internet is a really quick place to spread the words, I'm sure people in Japan would have noticed such an issue within less than 3 months!? It's just a little bit too much of a coincident to me.

I'm sure there is a reason why AJR didn't say a word on here as they should be some legal actions taking in between the two business?! it's funny when J's racing statement says the issue should notify Anthony, it's like an elementary school teacher wants to interview a student's parents...:haha:

I really hope the issue can be settle then we will know who is right, who is wrong soon...but one day AJR is still around, that mean we should still give them the benefits for the doubts because I'm pretty sure if they really MADE those FAKE exhaust, after almost a year J's should be able to knock them out of business long time ago...

come on guys, it's good for everyone to know such an issue but shouldn't we look for the outcome for this lawsuit first? we are not a judge or anything and I'm sure there will be people who is happy with this local shop but not happy with others, or happy everywhere else yet not with this local shop; I'm a licensed mechanic as well and I truely understand lots of the time one just can't make everyone happy ~ some people would think one does good work and is willing to pay more; some people would think one is expensive and he doesn't care how well you did the job for him ~ you are just expensive; some people wouldn't even care about what you did and they just paid for the agreed price (which of course, lots of the time I can see that's a rip off!)

cheers up everyone and I'm really waiting to see the outcome for this issue, as per J's described! Yet it could be a long and lasting one, it could be boring at the end (cause we are already too excited now)...;)

SHIT i just got a huge headache, btw: benefits for the doubts ? Can you explain what the means?

[5 Zigen]

SHIT i just got a huge headache, english much? thank you

i dun mind you to edit it for me, i was typing it in a rush so i might have problem with grammer, typo, or might not be even making any sense :P

[umpadupa]

5zigen.. dont bull shit.. ur not a mechanic.. ur a english lit prof arnt u ;)

[5 Zigen]

5zigen.. ur a english lit prof arnt u ;)

umm....i dun get it :confused:

it doesn't really matter if i am a mechanic, seriously...that's also have nothing to do with this issue and i am more relating to customer service or customer satisfaction...

[Jsunu]

I was being sincere in warning that DEFAMATION is pretty serious stuff, especially when it comes to a big reputable shop and that one should tread carefully, in any case it wouldn't be me suing, i'm warning. Trust me there have been more retarded cases in law. Heard of the woman that sued McDonalds because their cup didn't say CAUTION on it?

Listen, you cannot sue individuals for defamation willy nilly, especially in this case. Please cite prior court examples that had shown how an individual OPINION has lead to an successful charge or conviction. Defamation would require a DELIBERATE intent to so harm an individual.

Websites for AGES has been threatened by lawsuits but were unsuccessfull (the recent case with 4chan and scientology comes to mind).

Then you go ahead and make comparisions regarding other cases with have no way any bearing on the defaramation in itself.

Shit this is getting off topic, I for one am undecided about the whole case, I dont think either party is the in the clear, but i just want to make sure people are not arguing on for each side for insane reasons (ie relabiliy of parts).

[BlackZRoadster]

5zigen.. dont bull shit.. ur not a mechanic.. ur a english lit prof arnt u ;)

i agree lol, it hurt my brain trying to comprehend that post

[FeistyBearH22a]

^Amen... I think this thread should be locked until an official response from AJR is posted on their website.

(this was referring to 5Ziggen's post)

Oh I beg to differ. This thread NEEDS to stay up until AJR issue their official statement. Its not that hard to type up their side of the story. Ill be damned if this thing gets swept under the rug.

[too_slow]

^I guess you have a point. The threads should stay up to add pressure to AJR to disclose WTF happened.

[RotaryX]

Has anyone aside from me noticed that this letter is directed in a personal manner? Although the name of AJ and J's Racing is noted in the blog, this is in Mr. J's blog himself and is directed towards Benjamin Leung. This seems to be more personal than anything...

Just my 2 cents.....

edit...

[optiblue]

Oh I beg to differ. This thread NEEDS to stay up until AJR issue their official statement. Its not that hard to type up their side of the story. Ill be damned if this thing gets swept under the rug.

I agree. Most of us have shopped there over the years. I'm not making judgement until there is a clear truth, although there seems to be quite a bit of evidence stacked against aj-r. On the other forums, it seems they stated that they discontinued selling j's racing products some time ago.
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[hk20000]

In any case why did you take someone that wears bape seriously?

rapper? Maybe. Fashion model? Certainly. Bape wearing autoshop owner....LOL good luck with that.

[/joke]

[d3vil]

wow wtf

[Lissy]

i personally think it would be a and j making the fake, why would J's themselves make a fake? Doesnt make sense, J's control their own profits, and margins and how much money to put into an item. So if one products produce price is more than the retail price they will simply change factory, source cheaper materials and make a different version.... so its def AJR thats coming out with fake stuff....

Funny in the letter from J's

YOU MUST LET YOUR FATHER KNOW OF THIS ( ANTHONY) hahahaha, little boy opens a shop with daddies money and screws up ..what a waste

[chun]

Let's assume that A&J was right and J's DID send them a "special batch", as stated from employees. It still should be A&J's responsibility to check their stock and inventory before selling. It would be bad business practice to sell a good without knowing its condition. If they knew it was different, it should have been held and discussed directly with J's before offloading it.

And that's GIVEN that J's sent them a "special batch". (which, imho, is quite the stretch already)

And a lot of people replying are forgetting that J's discovered fake goods from A&J. Now whether or not they're telling the truth or not, you can decide on that. But remember that this is bad publicity for J's too, because A&J can defend themselves and sway potential customers to believe that J's Racing were the ones making "special batches".
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[jbsali]

I just can't see a company like J's Racing making a "special batch."You'd be stupid to believe that a retailer was getting counterfeit products delivered from the company itself. ALTHOUGH, if A&J was working with an indepenant wholesaler then yes this cooullldd have happened but highly unlikely: items with a heavy price tag are usually purchased through the manufacturer/home company itself.

It's hard to say whether or not we'll find out the truth. Something will be released to try and protect the reputation of A&J. Whether the company is innocent or guilty we'll probably never find out. I used to shop there but after this incident, i'll be taking my business elsewhere until the issue is fully resolved.

[5 Zigen]

Oh I beg to differ. This thread NEEDS to stay up until AJR issue their official statement. Its not that hard to type up their side of the story. Ill be damned if this thing gets swept under the rug.

actually when we said about locking thread is only when this gets out of control, so far we are only waiting for AJR's story and everyone has been making comment about what they think, so I think it's fair and not necessary to lock until it gets out of control...

i would say, no one can really prove if those exhaust are real or fake except between AJR and J's, so why don't we look forward and see what's gonna happen?

btw, why would they have their own T1R line, yet ONLY copy or make fake J's exhaust? but not spoon? but not mugen? but not any other brand? why? can anyone tells me why? I am sure there are factories in Asia that can help you copy anything (just a matter of cost vs performance vs reliability etc)...and just yet, J's ain't as good quality or as reliable as Spoon / Mugen, just in my opinion (i am sure there are lovers of diff brands, so it's no necessary to argue about that) :)

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^


E i like ur matureness


:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[5 Zigen]

^


E i like ur matureness


:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

haha there are just too many funny things in this entire issue, too many coincidents, too much benefits OF the doubts...i am still waiting when it will eventually come to an end :P

[TOS'd]

haha there are just too many funny things in this entire issue, too many coincidents, too much benefits for the doubts...i am still waiting when it will eventually come to an end :P

WHAT THE FUCK IS BENEFITS FOR THE DOUBTS :confused:

[Jsunu]

WHAT THE FUCK IS BENEFITS FOR THE DOUBTS :confused:

benefit of the doubt

[5 Zigen]

or benefits OF the doubts (dunno why I kept typing for, probably because someone else typed that in earlier post, omg!)

if you have no doubts then that's fine too...you only have doubt when you see the funny parts of this entire issue and the coincidences...

[truong]

No one from aj - racing is really speaking up because there is probably a bit of truth to this story. AJR is probably dealing with a shit storm of calls from customers regarding this subject.

This some funny shit though hahah

[BlackZRoadster]

benefit for the doubts

benefit for the doubts

benefit for the doubts

benefit for the doubts

benefit for the doubts

benefit for the doubts

I think this will be in the RS top 10 , it will probably sit a few spots down from "i wander"

[Gt-R R34]

K i really don't give a shit if AJR goes out of business, but what i'm trying to say is, unless you heard it straight from the guys that are in the know, then don't be posting shit.

as an example: Watch baseball? Mark McGwire - recently came out and told he took steroids.

Good for him, however took him 5 years to do it. At the congressional hearings, he didn't say he did it, didn't say anything at all, but was more or less implied he did it on the way he responded.

It's the same thing here, not replying and giving a statement, is a form of responding.

That is why, lots of company issues statements that isn't vague, isn't an around about and more or less a DIRECT answer.

It frankly does show already that, within reason, most of the post are stating a certain proof to the claim that they:

A: Sold inferior products
B: Scammed customers.

As a person that deals with clients, i can tell you professional trust/ethics are very important to any business.

If AJ already knew that J's Racing was giving/not refunding inferior products, THEY should of been the ones to terminate the contract OR demand the right for the money back that was reimbursed by the owners of AJ.

Business is common sense and money, no owner shells out of his pockets to please his customers every single time, J's has bad goods. you ask for it back. They are the middle man/the distributor in a sense, any company that takes refunds back, always go back to the sourced company for the refunded money.

[Bath Tussue]

I don't understand why people say that it is AJR's responsibility to check if the items are real or fake.
I am under the assumption that the items are shipped to AJR already in boxes. correct me if i am wrong.

In computer sales, everything comes packed in boxes.
You won't see wholesalers or retailers opening each and every box to make sure the correct item is indeed in there.

I am not defending AJR, because i persoanlly have doubt if the part i bought from them is real or not. but I also have no proof that it is not real.
it is a spoon muffler that did not come in a box, and was on display when I go pick it up.

[5 Zigen]

I think this will be in the RS top 10 , it will probably sit a few spots down from "i wander"

haha i started with "of", then when i revised the post (before i post) i kept editing it with "for"...ooops...my bad...

[Naka San]

This problem was like almost a year ago 2009 and it says the deadline is 2009 and now J's owner is posting the letter again in January 2010? something fishy, also another thing is why does the J's owner only post this on his blog and not on the official Website? I'm sure more people would go to the official J's website more than his blog. Not trying to side on any of the two company.

also this was posted on J's Website "The copies we have found have cheap imitated appearance and are far inferior to the actual J'S RACING parts in quality, durability, and craftsmanship."

I want to ask anyone who owns a J's exhaust or Fake if they knew it was, has any one of them break? or fitment issues? sound issues? This is just a side question.

[Solo_D33A]

I don't understand why people say that it is AJR's responsibility to check if the items are real or fake.
I am under the assumption that the items are shipped to AJR already in boxes. correct me if i am wrong.

In computer sales, everything comes packed in boxes.
You won't see wholesalers or retailers opening each and every box to make sure the correct item is indeed in there.

I am not defending AJR, because i persoanlly have doubt if the part i bought from them is real or not. but I also have no proof that it is not real.
it is a spoon muffler that did not come in a box, and was on display when I go pick it up.

Why wouldn't AJ know? they do installs:rolleyes: And it's not like 1 in a thousand that's fake.... most of the time when a customer buy a part and they pick it up, they'll do a inspection at the shop if possible... don't you?

[GabAlmighty]

AJR group buy? Who's in?

[RotaryX]

This problem was like almost a year ago 2009 and it says the deadline is 2009 and now J's owner is posting the letter again in January 2010? something fishy, also another thing is why does the J's owner only post this on his blog and not on the official Website? I'm sure more people would go to the official J's website more than his blog. Not trying to side on any of the two company.

also this was posted on J's Website "The copies we have found have cheap imitated appearance and are far inferior to the actual J'S RACING parts in quality, durability, and craftsmanship."

I want to ask anyone who owns a J's exhaust or Fake if they knew it was, has any one of them break? or fitment issues? sound issues? This is just a side question.

Thats a good point... If it true that these J's Racing authentic exhausts are a pos and break regardless, I'm sure these knockoffs would have broken much sooner since they're apparently worse quality than J's, and J's quality is pretty poor to begin with lol.

I've heard that an authentic J's broke after 2 weeks after purchase for an s2k lol...

[supman7]

^ OK WE GET IT... you think J's racing exhuasts suck, now stfu

[hotong]

Js racing products are also over priced
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[TOS'd]

benefit of the doubt

No shit.. :rolleyes:

[supman7]

haters and fanboys are all alike, everything written on here is an assumption, you can't seriously believe this and that because some guy behind a monitor thinks he knows everything about the scene. You haven't heard from either parties directly, who's to know what's the real truth. I like AJ's owner, and I acknowledge their accomplishments, but posting stupid comments and photoshopping pictures is pretty dumb imo. If this whole thing is true.. I'm super disappointed.

[Jsunu]

No shit.. :rolleyes:

Your sarcasm sucks :P

[1exotic]

10,000 views
230+ posts

epic.

[JL9000]

^I guess you have a point. The threads should stay up to add pressure to AJR to disclose WTF happened.

Are people really going to believe A&J if they come up with a response to the issue? That just leads to finger-pointing and that's why these threads never go anywhere.

I've been in the Honda scene for quite a while now and here are my two cents. I have seen many J's Racing products in person and online from various sources and many of the products under the same name or part number look very different from one another, and as 5Zigen pointed out earlier, the timing of everything in this case seems to be too much of a coincidence.

As far as I know, one of J's mechanics from Japan stayed and worked at A&J for quite a while and something like this surely would've caught his attention as he was in charge of shipping/receiving as well as parts installation. A&J also shipped at least one car (Fit?) overseas to J's Racing for their USDM product development, and that may be the reason why there are A&J edition parts floating around on the market.

Anyway, I'm not affiliated with A&J in any way and I'm just speculating like everyone else here. I'd like to know the real story behind this mess as well but I've been in the import scene long enough to know that we may never find out what really happened. I'd be pretty disappointed if A&J indeed sold counterfeit products as they've been in the tuner business long enough to know better than that.

[Meister1982]

10,000 views
230+ posts

epic.

2 days.

[MG1]

some posts on fitfreak seem to suggest that A&J sold fake spoon and 5zigen products in the past or products that were highly suspect but the question was dismissed because it came from A&J...

They're certainly bringing Chinese fakes to a whole new level



The only thing I bought from them are Mugen visors. Now surely they can't mess with that, can they? The packaging and instructions seemed legit.

Fucking fakes everywhere....... better check to see if my mom isn't fake. Wait, she's not from China. LOL.

[MG1]

WHAT THE FUCK IS BENEFITS FOR THE DOUBTS :confused:

All your base are belong to us............

[spoon.ek9]

as an example: Watch baseball? Mark McGwire - recently came out and told he took steroids.

Good for him, however took him 5 years to do it. At the congressional hearings, he didn't say he did it, didn't say anything at all, but was more or less implied he did it on the way he responded.

It's the same thing here, not replying and giving a statement, is a form of responding.

That is why, lots of company issues statements that isn't vague, isn't an around about and more or less a DIRECT answer.

this is what i was thinking also. considering this happened back in mid 2009, the total lack of an official response on their website is worrisome; especially to previous, current and future customers.

[spoonek4]

My post on fitfreak.net.......

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Originally Posted by JaySmith View Post
Realistically from what I can recall, it was a similar incident such as the current one with J's Racing, where A & J Racing was actually caught reproducing Spoon Sports infamous N1 exhaust and then sold them as a genuine product without the authorization from Spoon Sports.

That's right. Numerous flame wars went on regarding to different stuff on honda-acura.net, honda-tech, revscene.net(vancouver local forum) etc since late 1990s.

I know the guys at A&J & started dealing with them since 1997. And I used to be on honda-acura.net & honda-tech quite a lot back then. Think it started off with whether A&J or Boom Plus Toys was the legit SPOON distributor in N.America wayyyyyyyyy back then. I've seen people bashing A&J on different SPOON/Endless/Buddy Club products that they carried/carry, bashing Honda NA setup that they used to mainly go for, bashing the way of "building the cars for corners". But quite some of these stuff got pretty popular after years....
- spoon equipped/jdm cars all over the internet
- track days/time attack
- wilder & wilder NA setup now compare with NOS & turbo etc in the late 90s

And then T1R exhaust items came out. Flame war went on again. Some of u guys probably read about those T1R Vs TYPE ONE Japan and if they're related kinda argument way back then(still going on & on). And I wonder if anyone here remember a header test on HT quite awhile ago. SPOON/Mugen/Jun/T1R Vs. Hytech/SMSP kinda stuff.

Some of these flame wars came on when SPOON switched their distributor if I remember correctly? And then now J's.....

I personally don't know whether A&J sold fake J's exhaust. Since I'm not a big fan of J's racing anyway. So I never looked at the J's item that the guys had on display. Good quality titanium are expensive to begin with, like ARC & Amuse etc. J's Ti exhaust are cheaper, but still not THAT cheap?

If I wanna copy I'd probably do another Twin-Loop, a true 2.5" version coz after all everyone knows it's Mugen. At least it will cost me less to manufacture coz it's stainless steel but not Ti More average people can afford to buy this nice exhaust.

When I shop for parts they're not the only guys I go for. Ben KNOWS that I'm fucking picky & shop all over the place. And he KNOWS I do squeeze him like crazy for discount sometimes. But for the SPOON/Zeal/Endless/Buddy Club/T1R/Advan/Exedy/JDM Honda/Bride/HKB product that I bought from these guys in the last 13years never failed on me. I don't have much complain about this local shop. Well, other than waiting for a Bride rail for 4months GOD DAMN it BEN!

If u say the T1R/Exedy clutch is a rip off. Exchange rate changes ALL the time, the best bet is to call/email/PM them for price. I have this set of T1R/Exedy clutch for about 25000km now. Went through 3 HARSH lapping day here in BC & in WA, quite some hard launch in many autocross events & bunch of stop & go Vancouver downtown driving. Clutch still grip very well.....

Anyway, sorry about my bad English. Just my 0.02.....

[G-spec]

the tuner world here is filled with counterfeit products, more commonly known as replica. I personally have bought expensive authentic JDM shit and also some cheaper replica stuff as well, it all depends on what your specific needs are.

Most people buy replica parts, because of the cheaper price we all know this.... and I don't have a problem with any shop selling replica shit they manufactured themselves in some chinese factory, we all know the market is flooded with this stuff and almost every one of us in the tunerverse has bought a part like this at one time or another.... no problem there

but what I, and every one of you should have a problem with is when that shop tries to pass these parts as "authentic" and selling it to you at the same price point.

and not only that but going through great lengths to disguise the true nature of the product is fckin disgusting to me.

[RRxtar]

the tuner world here is filled with counterfeit products, more commonly known as replica. I personally have bought expensive authentic JDM shit and also some cheaper replica stuff as well, it all depends on what your specific needs are.

Most people buy replica parts, because of the cheaper price we all know this.... and I don't have a problem with any shop selling replica shit they manufactured themselves in some chinese factory, we all know the market is flooded with this stuff and almost every one of us in the tunerverse has bought a part like this at one time or another.... no problem there

but what I, and every one of you should have a problem with is when that shop tries to pass these parts as "authentic" and selling it to you at the same price point.

and not only that but going through great lengths to disguise the true nature of the product is fckin disgusting to me.
i bought Mugen replica wheels by rota, labeled as rota, for the cost of rota. i would not buy Mugen replica wheels by rota, labeled as mugen, for the cost of mugen.

[tofu1413]

i bought Mugen replica wheels by rota, labeled as rota, for the cost of rota. i would not buy Mugen replica wheels by rota, labeled as mugen, for the cost of mugen.


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totally agree.

[spoon.ek9]

10,000+ views, real or not this is damaging to AJR's reputation and business. if it were my company, i would be up in arms defending myself against such HUGE accusations.

[SE3P-T]

i hope this is not ture....is not the fact i know them.. but reading all these post, make me thing the other way. they do sell fake stuff. makes me think all the DC5, when it first came to my head is. J's Racing Brake Kit if anybody recall that back in 2006 ? or 7?
is that REAL? or fake?

[optiblue]

i bought Mugen replica wheels by rota, labeled as rota, for the cost of rota. i would not buy Mugen replica wheels by rota, labeled as mugen, for the cost of mugen.

Couldn't state it better myself!

I have nothing to add except: Where is AJ's response?

[elkayem]

All your base are belong to us............
http://www.iamsoccerball.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/1213654788923.jpg

This can be refered to AJ vs J's too.

[spoon.ek9]

^ :lol

[hotong]

http://www.iamsoccerball.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/1213654788923.jpg

This can be refered to AJ vs J's too.

lol

[- kT]

i reread the letter, and found something you guys might've overlooked

First of all, it is almost 9 years since we, J’s Racing, started a business
relationship with your company in 2002

given that its 2010, and their partnership started in 2002, almost nine years would be almost 2011. if this letter had been delivered last year, than it would've been 7 years. nowhere close to 9 years

that, plus the fact that this was only recently posted on the guys blog lead me to believe that the "April 2009" part was the error in this letter

although i could have missed something entirely