[TOS'd]

LOL you think Apple is going to allow that?

Sry I just figured it would work seeing as its basically a bigger ipod touch. Running an iPhone OS which will likely be jailbroken at some point, so it could basically do what iphones/touchs can do.

[Mr.HappySilp]

The only reason why I even get an iphone coz is easy to use as a phone. I can view websites, play games, listen to music and even read E-books while I am traveling.

However, when it comes to laptops, desktop or even netbooks Ipad will not replace them. There are too many missing functions from the IPad to make it even worthwhile. Also the chepaer version doesn't have any WiFi or anything like that so if you want WiFi I believe you have to get the $800 one. With $800 people can you a very decent netbooks or even a laptops.

[underscore]

Now what I'm curious about is this:

The market (not just computer but every market) is filled with countless pieces of junk and useless things for sale. Yet I don't see huge threads posted about those items.

Because they are junk, yet many mis-informed/sheeple will buy it. Most of the other junk doesn't get millions of sales. I'll still never understand the logic behind "oh, my i* got bricked when I updated the firmware, guess I better buy another one." wtf?

[Manic!]

JooJoo a tablet from another company that does flash and runs it's own OS

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/product/350597/review/joojoo.html

[ericthehalfbee]

Because they are junk, yet many mis-informed/sheeple will buy it. Most of the other junk doesn't get millions of sales. I'll still never understand the logic behind "oh, my i* got bricked when I updated the firmware, guess I better buy another one." wtf?
Why do you care what other people spend their money on? Like I said, it's funny to see something that you will never buy, that will never impact or affect your life, cause you to get so upset.

It's like bitching about what the guy at the restaurant at the table next to you ordered and how he made a shitty choice.

[underscore]

Because the same friends of mine doing this, who ask for my advice prior to purchase yet still buy this crap, then ask me for help when it breaks. I tell them that Apple killed it/made a piece of junk, yet they go buy another.

On the flip side, why do you care how I feel about Apple and their blatantly false advertising, etc? It's funny to see how my opinions/views, that will never impact of affect your life, cause you to get so upset.

[+Kardboard+]

Exactly. I see people with $1,000+ smartphones that they can't use here because the 3G frequencies are wrong, they don't have data or they just don't know how to use it. Whatever, their money. Fangirls/fanboys of anything without substantiation are just idiotic groupies, but hey, you need them around to set the rest of us apart.

:D

[ericthehalfbee]

On the flip side, why do you care how I feel about Apple and their blatantly false advertising, etc? It's funny to see how my opinions/views, that will never impact of affect your life, cause you to get so upset.
I don't care what you think. Besides, you and people like you are the ones spreading hate. If you didn't start hating in the first place, nobody would need to point out how ridiculous it is to get so upset.

You can see it in your language. It's so obvious you are a MAC/Apple hater. But it's so much deeper than that. It's like you can't even use the words MAC or Apple in any sentence without making sure a stream of insults/complaints follows.

If we were talking about a person, I'd say you got abused as a child by someone named MAC or who liked eating Apples, based on the tone of your voice everytime you mention them.

[jeff_alexander]

I request everyone from revscene to donate $1 to me so I can afford this thing.
I will then proceed to video tape myself setting fire to this god awful device infront of the apple store at pacific center.
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[underscore]

I don't hate. I am irritated by a company that has found success which is based on blatant lies and false advertising used to sell overpriced, poorly built products to ignorant consumers.

[Hondaracer]

iphone is the only apple product I support simply because there is not a phone that does what i want it to do better

other then that, everything else is for fanboy's and hipsters

[azzurro32]

Back in 2001, Apple released a new product called the Ipod. People also hated it at first too:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500&page=6

Looking back now some of these comments are hilarious lol
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[TOS'd]

YouTube- iPad Keynote in less than 180 Seconds: Incredible, Beautiful, Amazing! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZS8HqOGTbA)

For a moment I thought they were describing my package.

[goo3]

The only reason why I even get an iphone coz is easy to use as a phone. I can view websites, play games, listen to music and even read E-books while I am traveling.

However, when it comes to laptops, desktop or even netbooks Ipad will not replace them. There are too many missing functions from the IPad to make it even worthwhile. Also the chepaer version doesn't have any WiFi or anything like that so if you want WiFi I believe you have to get the $800 one. With $800 people can you a very decent netbooks or even a laptops.

The $500 US one has wifi, the more expensive one has 3G. I don't see a point in $500 netbooks anymore. You wanna talk overpriced.. those are overpriced.

[Manic!]

The $500 US one has wifi, the more expensive one has 3G. I don't see a point in $500 netbooks anymore. You wanna talk overpriced.. those are overpriced.

Who pays $500 for a net book???

[_Hotsauce_]

http://i.imgur.com/Spt9L.gif

[SkinnyPupp]

The iPad is a Comedy Gold Mine - CollegeHumor video

[Grandmaster TSE]

http://i.imgur.com/ul3mF.jpg

[underscore]

^ :lol

[+Kardboard+]

http://i.imgur.com/ul3mF.jpg
HAHAHAHA even better! :haha:

[Manic!]

Another tablet based on the mac book

http://www.axiotron.com/uploads/pics/Silver_Right-W_01.jpg

http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=home

[Iceman_2K]

uh....what company HASN'T done that.....

I don't hate. I am irritated by a company that has found success which is based on blatant lies and false advertising used to sell overpriced, poorly built products to ignorant consumers.

[underscore]

I'm pretty sure crapple is the only company that calls their router anything but a router, and makes it seem as if that is the only way to use a mac wirelessly. (thats just one example)

[_Hotsauce_]

^
Yes, a buddy of mine has a Macbook pro and he had no idea that it could connect to a non-apple router.....so sad

[lilaznviper]

i rather get this
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/the-hp-slate/

[BoneThug]

Back in 2001, Apple released a new product called the Ipod. People also hated it at first too:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500&page=6

i never did get that. I had one of the first iPods and when it came out I thought it was a good idea just cause it was a portable hard drive with a EXTREMELY simple user interface and a way bigger capacity than other competing mp3 players at the time. For me it was either an iPod or an samsung YPP mp3 player. I didnt think it would changer the world but it was still an easy call since it allowed me to being my entire music collection with me, and navigate all the songs easily.

The iPad however does nothing new. It takes old technology and just repackages it. I guess to play my own devils advocate you could say that about the iPod but the interface was new and that was a deciding factor, plus at the time, there was no viable competition.

[skyxx]

First Review out!

YouTube- iPad Unboxing and Review

[Manic!]

i rather get this
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/the-hp-slate/

Me too.

It would be kick ass with a laser keyboard and a pico projector.

http://www.pdahut.com/store/files/main/d_9581.jpg
http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/06/foxconn_pico_projector.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

First Review out!

YouTube- iPad Unboxing and Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw8P3S-mFsU)
Oh my fucking god I have never seen a more irritating person on Youtube before. And that is saying a LOT.

But fuck that is funny :)

[Soundy]

Oh my fucking god I have never seen a more irritating person on Youtube before.

Just imagine.... "LEAVE BRITNEY'S IPAD ALOOOOOOOONE!"

[Vale46Rossi]

Dont know if you guys know but preorder was available starting yesterday in the morning, but this was not for canada only for U.S. You could either get it shipped to an address in the US or you were able to reserve it at an apple store.

These things are going crazy on ebay already. My friend already sold one on craigslist for $1500 for a 16gb... People are really desperate haha.

[Brianrietta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko

Yes, it blends :thumbsup:

[Tim Budong]

I will buy if infact that the rumors of the no more micro sim is true
cuz i would pop my 6gb data sim on there

[SkinnyPupp]

^^ You can trim any normal sim card to fit. There are even template cutters out there

[Hehe]

Got to play one on Sunday when my friend came back from his Portland trip.

First impression, navigation is fast and smooth. Something I already expected.

Typing on it was a pain imo as there's no feedback and you have to be focused on what you are typing.

Browsing the web with it simply proved my original point of not buying it, without flash support, a proper browsing experience was impossible, it's like browsing on iphone, just bigger screen and a tad more resolution. I still had to zoom in and out in many sites I visit.

Email support was pretty nice with my Mobileme account, but then again, typing is PITA, so I'd not recommend it for heavy email users.

Running 1 app at a time like iPhone became incredibly inconvenient on the iPad. You'd expect to do a lot more with the iPad, but no... you can't. No tethering to iphone sucked ball, and if I'd have to pay extra for 3G for iPad, I'd say forget it. For now, a jailbroken iphone+iPad is ok. But then the iphone battery goes down the toilet if I were to use like this constantly on the go.

[Ronin]

Mine has been delayed. :(

[L-Dawg]

i'm actually playign with mine now, the internet speed is faster than my 3gs. I know that it's against their interests, but i'd LOVE it if they were able to tether with the iphones. (but if they didn, no on ewould buy the 3g version)


Also, STILL no flash player!!!! (GGGGRRRRRR!!!!!)

[bcedhk]

i'm actually playign with mine now, the internet speed is faster than my 3gs. I know that it's against their interests, but i'd LOVE it if they were able to tether with the iphones. (but if they didn, no on ewould buy the 3g version)


Also, STILL no flash player!!!! (GGGGRRRRRR!!!!!)

judging by your post, im guessing typing on the ipad is the same as typing on the iphone.

[ShyGuy]

Picked up a 16GB from NYC...it's a good internet browser, media player but lack of flash support really sucks.

[ShyGuy]

the keyboard is also hard to use...you can't type like you regularly do (with your fingers resting on the keys). You can only have one finger on the screen at a time.

[Presto]

They should just make a keyboard with the keys in alphabetical order. QWERTY was designed to slow down typists. The iPad needs to slow it down even more :)

[LiquidTurbo]

They should just make a keyboard with the keys in alphabetical order. QWERTY was designed to slow down typists. The iPad needs to slow it down even more :)

Alpha order would hardly be the fastest layout. Having the most commonly used letters under the homerow would be the fastest. Letters such as a r s t d h n e i o... not a s d f g h j k l ;

Colemak or Dvorak would be the 'fastest layouts', both which the iPad supports..

[LiquidTurbo]

Picked up a 16GB from NYC...it's a good internet browser, media player but lack of flash support really sucks.

How is it a good browser if it doesn't support flash?

[Presto]

Alpha order would hardly be the fastest layout. Having the most commonly used letters under the homerow would be the fastest. Letters such as a r s t d h n e i o... not a s d f g h j k l ;

Colemak or Dvorak would be the 'fastest layouts', both which the iPad supports..

I was referring to the post before mine:

the keyboard is also hard to use...you can't type like you regularly do (with your fingers resting on the keys). You can only have one finger on the screen at a time.


My comment was not about speeding up input, but slowing it down :)

[LiquidTurbo]

The only thing the iPad is good for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT4EbM7dCMs&feature=player_embedded

[G]

I just got swype for my phone and I think it would be way more useful than the current ipad keyboard.... Other than that, I have no interests in buying this.. I rather save money and get an ipod touch or iphone or an actual netbook for that matter.

[ShyGuy]

One great thing about the ipad is the battery life...i've been using it on/off for 3 days straigth and i still have 42% left.

[Tim Budong]

Im gonna wait for the 3g version
and hope that the damn thing wont be locked to anybody..
I would then find a way to mount this sucker into my car
then i can truely WIN
ahahah

[q0192837465]

The only thing the iPad is good for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT4EbM7dCMs&feature=player_embedded

I was waiting for her to smash it. :(

[L-Dawg]

Im gonna wait for the 3g version
and hope that the damn thing wont be locked to anybody..
I would then find a way to mount this sucker into my car
then i can truely WIN
ahahah


Why 3g? You CAN tether your iPhone to the ipad (if you have an iPhone)
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[Hehe]

^

You can't unless you have JB'd iPhone and run the iPhone as a router. Battery life goes down the pipe though.

[L-Dawg]

^

You can't unless you have JB'd iPhone and run the iPhone as a router. Battery life goes down the pipe though.

Damn right! But it sure beats buying a 3G iPad AND antihero data plan.
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[Ronin]

:neckbeard::neckbeard::neckbeard:

http://static.ow.ly/photos/normal/11V3.jpg

http://static.ow.ly/photos/normal/124Q.jpg

[goo3]

^
keynote says you'll have multitasking in the summer time

now let's see if the web moves to html5 just for the ipad, lol

[Ronin]

The OS is snappy and everything feels well polished for something that just launched. There are already a lot of apps that take advantage of the iPad's size and screen. Reading the newspaper on it feels rather natural and there's a cool app that let's you download digital copies of popular magazines. If it works out and costs a little less than actually buying print copies, I might actually never have to buy print ever again.

Browsing is as you'd expect on a big iPhone. Typing will come naturally to anyone that already has an iPhone. If you have large hands, typing with your two thumbs will be easy. Otherwise, putting it down and using the keyboard in landscape works better than I expected as well.
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[Ronin]

Still playing around. Will take some glamour shots of the device later.
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[Senna4ever]

How is the colour gamut of the screen? Is there any way of calibrating it?

[Matsuda]

I'm waiting for this to come out

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/06/icds-tegra-2-powered-gemini-is-the-most-feature-complete-tablet/

[Ronin]

How is the colour gamut of the screen? Is there any way of calibrating it?

Doesn't look bad. No, I seriously doubt you can calibrate the screen.

[Kim Jong Un]

http://www.hockeydrunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/stone_vs_ipad-425x283.jpg

[Ronin]

^

http://www.ededition.com/blogpics/hatercat.jpg

[Ronin]

So am I the only one on RS with one of these?

[raygunpk]

pretty sure skinnypupp has one, he loooovvves everything apple

[jackmeister]

So am I the only one on RS with one of these?

i got one tooooooooo

but im not liking the fact that RS shows up on the mobile site

[Ronin]

Yeah, there needs to be an option to turn off the mobile browser for RS.

[SkinnyPupp]

All you had to do was ask ;)

[L-Dawg]

i got one tooooooooo

but im not liking the fact that RS shows up on the mobile site

Same here. I love mine but I want to be able to switch or pick normal or mobile versions of websites.
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[SkinnyPupp]

It should load the full site now. If not, follow the directions posted in the RS Mobile thread to help troubleshoot it.

[Ronin]

Awesome, I'll test it out later.

[L-Dawg]

Yes!!!!! Non-mobile Revscene website on iPad!!!!!!

I've almost forgotten what the normal version of Revscene looks like. It looks great on the iPad.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yes, the iPad magically makes sites look great! ;)

[Preemo]

I don't see why everyone is crying over Flash support on Apple products.

Given that the internet is moving towards web standard friendly web sites Flash support is not what it used to be back in the day. Granted it does have its uses but even then, HTML5 will pave the way for other solutions around the web.

Besides, Adobe shit the bed when they decided to make Windows their primary focus. When Apple needed Adobe the most to help OS X when it first came out, they turned their backs. Now that Apple has blow up over the past decade it's ADOBE that is missing out.

I hear about Adobe's products running like complete garbage on OS X from my fellow designers. But magically, on Windows I've never ran into a problem with any of their products. Adobe products are not designed to run natively on OS X. Plain and simple. It's one of the reasons why Apple has excluded them from the iPhone and iPad.

On another note. I'll probably buy one for my kids as a learning tool.

[Ronin]

Flash is a massive resource hog on OSX. It drains batteries like mad.

[ericthehalfbee]

When the iPad was announced everyone was talking about lack of Flash. Now with its release many major websites have added HTML5 support.

Of course, this makes perfect sense from a business point of view. If I run a major website and there are millions of customers out there (iPad owners) who can't view my site, I have two choices: stick with Flash and say screw you to iPad users, or update my site to allow iPad users to view my content.

Of course they're going to update their sites. Who would exclude such a large population of potential customers over something so simple as a site re-design (if your website is too difficult to re-design, then you had idiots build it for you in the first place).

[Ronin]

I've gone to a vast number of sites on the iPad and I haven't noticed the lack of Flash. True, many of the video sites don't work. The full YouTube site works.
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[Preemo]

In due time, the web will evolve with HTML5 support. Flash is overrated anyways.

[_Hotsauce_]

Why not wait to buy till V.2 when it includes USB, HDMI, Webcam and all the other crap that they'll add in minor upgrades for the next version...

[Ronin]

Why not wait to buy till V.2 when it includes USB, HDMI, Webcam and all the other crap that they'll add in minor upgrades for the next version...

If you're going to keep something forever, then go ahead and buy a v.2. The way I see it, why not buy this one and then sell it and buy the second version when it's out?

Waiting to buy anything you want to buy is stupid. Obviously the second revision of the iPad will be better...and when it is, I can buy that one too after I sell this one.

[Preemo]

LOL! If you want the best, why not wait for V3? Or V4?

[_Hotsauce_]

I'm not going to keep something forever, but I'd rather not pay Apple for minor updates that they should have included in the first fucking version, instead you're paying them 5x as much because you keep buying V2 (Probably next April at that) and V3 etc for one tiny ass upgrade like a fucking HDMI or USB.

[Ronin]

No one should buy anything ever if that was the case as everything is always improved down the road. Especially in the case of anything in technology, you'd never have anything if you waited for something better to come along. Why buy a computer? Why buy a Xbox 360 or a PS3 when the Xbox 720 will have the 3D system from Avatar and the PS4 will use a controller wired directly to your brain?

[ericthehalfbee]

I wonder how many people complaining of V2 and V3 have kept their cell phone for the last couple years. Given the sheer number of used cell phones people sell on RS just so they can get the "latest & greatest", it would appear most people like to "buy now and upgrade later".

[Teh Doucher]

rogers will offer data for ipad,

http://www.mobileincanada.com/news-1071-en-Apple-iPad-Comes-to-Canada-on-Rogers-Network.html

[Iceman_2K]

Looks like the uses for this thing are emerging...

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/04/21/california_hospital_plans_to_utilize_100_apple_ipa ds.html

[threezero]

Seeing all the support for it and the currently avaliable and upcoming apps i really want an ipad.... ummm should i spent my 500 on tattoo or ipad....

[SkinnyPupp]

Seeing all the support for it and the currently avaliable and upcoming apps i really want an ipad.... ummm should i spent my 500 on tattoo or ipad....
Hmm let's see, one lasts literally the rest of your life, the other will be outdated in 10 months.. You decide! ;)

[LiquidTurbo]

Hey for you guys that can't wait, free iPad upgrade for now..

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs449.snc3/25735_385525643220_511603220_3730269_2659586_n.jpg

[Ronin]

Come...come to the dark side...

http://www.ededition.com/blogpics/ipadrs.jpg

[LiquidTurbo]

^

Haha, damn, that looks real good!

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

how many RSers actually went out and bought one?

[hotjoint]

Hey for you guys that can't wait, free iPad upgrade for now..

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs449.snc3/25735_385525643220_511603220_3730269_2659586_n.jpg

HAHA

[Mr.HappySilp]

Come...come to the dark side...

http://www.ededition.com/blogpics/ipadrs.jpg

The day I get an ipad is the day I can play WoW, Starcraft2, Diablo3 on it without lag and in max graphics settings. Beside how do you type on that @@ Wouldn't it be really tiring to type something on it?

I guess I am still a PC guy. I want to use a big monitior, Full sized keyboard with mouse and multi tasking computer.

[ForbiddenX]

^Then any of these devices aren't for you.

I don't even see why you'd want to use an iPad or anything similar to play any real games.

[ra1nn]

i went to buy one, but at the end i didn't think there was a real purpose for myself to have one (cos i already have a laptop) so i just sold it and earn 100$ lol

[hal0g0dv2]

dam that look sick
tempted to get one

[Vale46Rossi]

Seeing all the support for it and the currently avaliable and upcoming apps i really want an ipad.... ummm should i spent my 500 on tattoo or ipad....
.

Get a tattoo of an iPad then you will have both!

:D TA DA


Come...come to the dark side...

http://www.ededition.com/blogpics/ipadrs.jpg



Hey you got one too! I love mine you should buy the game Plant Vs Zombies on the iPad its so good with this screen.

Also I am playing Civ Rev on it right now which is also really good :D

[Ikkaku]

How is the keyboard on it? The iphone is good for tapping with the thumb, but this is quite a bit bigger. Is the keypad the size of netbook keypads?

[StylinRed]

HP Slate>Ipad

[ericthehalfbee]

^ HP Slate is going to go nowhere. Sure it has better technical specs then the iPad, but specs don't mean shit if there's no software for your device.

And seriously, who would run Windows 7 on an Atom with 1GB RAM? That's gonna be sloooooowwwww.

Should make a poll of all Windows 7 users on RS to list the processor/RAM they have and to give their impressions of how fast their system runs. I bet the slowest system anyone on RS has built would be several times faster than an Atom.

Where is the HP App Store? Or are you supposed to go to download.com or tucows.com to browse for your software, download it, manually install it, and if you like it then go to the company's website to register it and buy the full version? And pay $19.95-$29.95 for something that will probably cost $1.99-$4.99 on the iPad?

[Manic!]

Should make a poll of all Windows 7 users on RS to list the processor/RAM they have and to give their impressions of how fast their system runs. I bet the slowest system anyone on RS has built would be several times faster than an Atom.



I built a comp with a single core atom when it first came out and plan on installing Windows 7 when I have a change.

And the real reason for no flash is it would kill apples app store.

[goo3]

And the real reason for no flash is it would kill apples app store.

No, it wouldn't. You don't wanna design apps with flash.

[Manic!]

No, it wouldn't. You don't wanna design apps with flash.

But by using flash you wouldn't have to go threw the Apple approval process.

Also if the Iphone/pad had flash why would you pay for a game when you could just go to a site like miniclip.com

[Vale46Rossi]

^ HP Slate is going to go nowhere. Sure it has better technical specs then the iPad, but specs don't mean shit if there's no software for your device.

And seriously, who would run Windows 7 on an Atom with 1GB RAM? That's gonna be sloooooowwwww.

Should make a poll of all Windows 7 users on RS to list the processor/RAM they have and to give their impressions of how fast their system runs. I bet the slowest system anyone on RS has built would be several times faster than an Atom.

Where is the HP App Store? Or are you supposed to go to download.com or tucows.com to browse for your software, download it, manually install it, and if you like it then go to the company's website to register it and buy the full version? And pay $19.95-$29.95 for something that will probably cost $1.99-$4.99 on the iPad?




Acctually, the apps on iPad are costing a lot more than normal apps that are on iphone

pretend scrabble is like 4.99 on iphone its 9.99 on iPad

[.Renn.Sport]

^ HP Slate is going to go nowhere. Sure it has better technical specs then the iPad, but specs don't mean shit if there's no software for your device.

And seriously, who would run Windows 7 on an Atom with 1GB RAM? That's gonna be sloooooowwwww.

Should make a poll of all Windows 7 users on RS to list the processor/RAM they have and to give their impressions of how fast their system runs. I bet the slowest system anyone on RS has built would be several times faster than an Atom.

Where is the HP App Store? Or are you supposed to go to download.com or tucows.com to browse for your software, download it, manually install it, and if you like it then go to the company's website to register it and buy the full version? And pay $19.95-$29.95 for something that will probably cost $1.99-$4.99 on the iPad?

you forgot the most important battery life

[Manic!]

Top 5 paid apps for the Ipad

1. Pages (Apple)
2. GoodReader for iPad (Good iWare Ltd.)
3. Numbers (Apple)
4. Keynote (Apple)
5. Real Racing HD (Firemint)

1,3, and 4 are free with open office.
4 seems like a PDF reader and you could probably find something similar for free.
5 is a racing game and again you could find something similar for free.

A tablet running a real OS is the way to go.

[.Renn.Sport]

iphone OS supports PDF natively, so I don't see the point of buying some PDF reader LOL

[Vale46Rossi]

Ipad does not.

[goo3]

But by using flash you wouldn't have to go threw the Apple approval process.

Also if the Iphone/pad had flash why would you pay for a game when you could just go to a site like miniclip.com

Approval process is only a problem if you write porn or if your name is Google Voice. On the flip side, users can go to one place to find apps. Just like you go to Safeway to buy dinner instead of going to the butcher, the farm, and then to the orchard. Everything in one place - for most developers, it's a good tradeoff.

Assuming miniclip is compatible with Flash Lite (cuz almost all mobile devices don't run the full Flash that's on your PC), iPhone SDK does a lot that any Flash through a browser can't.

Native apps on the iPhone are faster, waste less memory; UI controls, transitions, multitouch, gestures are already pre-programmed; access to accelerometer, gps, BT, network, etc.. are built-in to the various APIs.

Flash web games would find their place, but they don't come close to replacing native apps (ie killing the app store) at all.

[ericthehalfbee]

Acctually, the apps on iPad are costing a lot more than normal apps that are on iphone

pretend scrabble is like 4.99 on iphone its 9.99 on iPad
If you actually look at the App Store you'll find most apps are still $4.99 and under. There are apps in the $7.99 to $14.99 range, but these are not the norm.

And there are examples of very good apps for cheap, like Autodesks Sketchbook Pro fro $7.99.

[ericthehalfbee]

A tablet running a real OS is the way to go.
No it's not. A real OS requires way more power to run which means the tablet will be larger, heavier, more expensive and have a shorter battery life.

I just tried upgrading a friend's laptop to Windows 7 this weekend. It's an AMD bargain laptop that has 1GB of RAM and a processor about 70% faster than a 1.6GHz Atom (what the HP Slate uses). I put in a 64GB SSD I had lying around (a second generation Idyllinx based drive, not some cheap no-name) just to try out.

Even so, this machine sucks ass to use. It's slow, slow, slow. So we upgraded the RAM to 2GB and now it's not bad. But the Slate only comes with 1GB RAM and it's not upgradeable. Plus it has the slower Atom processor.

Running a desktop OS on a barebones tablet is going to fail. Massively.

[!LittleDragon]

I'm running Windows 7 on a 6 year old Pentium M 1.6ghz laptop with 512mb ram at 1920x1200 and it's totally fine. It'll fall flat on it's face if I try running something like Photoshop but for doing the things the iPad is supposed to do, it's as fast or faster. The Atom will do just fine, many carputer guys run Win7 on it plus a cpu heavy front end with a gig of ram and they're happy with it.

[ecchiecchi]

I think there's a multitasking app for iPhone- so who knows, it might work on iPad too?

[ericthehalfbee]

I'm running Windows 7 on a 6 year old Pentium M 1.6ghz laptop with 512mb ram at 1920x1200 and it's totally fine. It'll fall flat on it's face if I try running something like Photoshop but for doing the things the iPad is supposed to do, it's as fast or faster. The Atom will do just fine, many carputer guys run Win7 on it plus a cpu heavy front end with a gig of ram and they're happy with it.
How do you know it's faster? Have you played with an iPad side-by-side to compare speeds?

People who find the performance of Win 7 on an Atom to be acceptable have some pretty low standards, IMO.

[Ronin]

All the people here complaining about the iPad

1. Are complaining that it can't do things it really isn't meant to do...

2. have never held one, let alone used one.

[ericthehalfbee]

I think there's a multitasking app for iPhone- so who knows, it might work on iPad too?
I've never understood the complaint about multitasking.

On my home rig I'll often have numerous programs open when doing work. Multiple tabs in IE, Firefox connected to the federal government database, Word and Excel documents and Photoshop to edit and adjust pics prior to publishing.

Yet none of this requires multitasking. None of these programs are doing anything when my focus is away and on another task.

The only time my machine does any real multitasking is when I'm encoding video or ripping Blu-Rays in the background.


Now I'd love for someone to explain a valid reason I want multitasking on my iPhone. And be specific - I want an example of something useful my iPhone can be doing in the background that's going to make my life far more productive. Cuz honestly, I can't come up with a single app that I'd want to be working in the background.

[ecchiecchi]

I found that it's not Apple and it's products that I hate- It's mostly the ignorant overzealous fanboys who preach that Apple is god- Case and point: that douchebag in my economics class who thinks Apple is the be-all end-all company and that no one can ever beat Apple- forever.

It's fine to like a product and all, but just don't be too over cocky coming into the classroom swinging your iPad left and right for all the class to see.

"iPhone 3G has no competitor- the closest thing to a competitor that it has is the iPhone."

Honestly, get your head out of your ass.

With that said, the trolls aren't any better- I don't get why you guys spend so much time and effort shit talking Apple. Do you guys have nothing better to do?

I've never understood the complaint about multitasking.

On my home rig I'll often have numerous programs open when doing work. Multiple tabs in IE, Firefox connected to the federal government database, Word and Excel documents and Photoshop to edit and adjust pics prior to publishing.

Yet none of this requires multitasking. None of these programs are doing anything when my focus is away and on another task.

The only time my machine does any real multitasking is when I'm encoding video or ripping Blu-Rays in the background.


Now I'd love for someone to explain a valid reason I want multitasking on my iPhone. And be specific - I want an example of something useful my iPhone can be doing in the background that's going to make my life far more productive. Cuz honestly, I can't come up with a single app that I'd want to be working in the background.

It's not a need- It's a nice feature to have. It's like how phones vibrate, you don't need it- it's a nice feature to have.

[MarkyMark]

You don't think it's annoying that whenever your in an app and someone texts you and you press reply you automatically close the app your in and lose any progress you had if you were playing a game or something? It's just easier to be able to text someone and then go right back to what you were doing beforehand.


Now I'd love for someone to explain a valid reason I want multitasking on my iPhone. And be specific - I want an example of something useful my iPhone can be doing in the background that's going to make my life far more productive. Cuz honestly, I can't come up with a single app that I'd want to be working in the background.
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[goo3]

Now I'd love for someone to explain a valid reason I want multitasking on my iPhone. And be specific - I want an example of something useful my iPhone can be doing in the background that's going to make my life far more productive. Cuz honestly, I can't come up with a single app that I'd want to be working in the background.

For the most part, you're right. But ver 4.0 multitasking will fix:

1. Streaming music
2. Skype (receiving calls)

There might have been another one worth mentioning, but I don't remember.

[vafanculo]

Multitasking would make a world of difference. When a phone call comes in, or if i want to reply to a text, I have to quit whatever app I'm using. Sucks that I can't stream music and text at same time. Same with YouTube. Cant listen to a music vid while doing something else.
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[ecchiecchi]

Multitasking is really useful. Even my cheap Sony Ericsson phone has it and I found it invaluable.

[ericthehalfbee]

^ I said be specific, not replying with something like "multitasking is really useful".

Version 4.0 adds multitasking, but it's still not real multitasking. It "fixes" a lot of the exact things people are complaining about, but the Apple haters still bitch about it not being "true" multitasking.

Apple could put true multitasking in the iPhone 4, add a pair of cameras, allow third party developers to write for it without needing to go through the App Store, and sell it for $99 and people will still find faults with it.

[ecchiecchi]

I don't own an iPhone but when I borrowed my sibling's to use eBuddy, I found it annoying that I would have to close ebuddy to do anything else.

You don't need to be specific- Just the fact that you have to trade off of having to turn something off to do something else. If you have a hard time seeing the benefits of multitask, something's wrong with you =/

And plus, there will always be people who complain. If you're happy with the product, then that's good. I don't see why you have the need to convince everyone else that the product is awesome.

[falken1109]

kind of off topic..anyone knows where i can get some ipad case in vancouver??..doesn't need to be apple. Thanks guys

[Manic!]

I've never understood the complaint about multitasking.

On my home rig I'll often have numerous programs open when doing work. Multiple tabs in IE, Firefox connected to the federal government database, Word and Excel documents and Photoshop to edit and adjust pics prior to publishing.

Yet none of this requires multitasking. None of these programs are doing anything when my focus is away and on another task.

The only time my machine does any real multitasking is when I'm encoding video or ripping Blu-Rays in the background.


Now I'd love for someone to explain a valid reason I want multitasking on my iPhone. And be specific - I want an example of something useful my iPhone can be doing in the background that's going to make my life far more productive. Cuz honestly, I can't come up with a single app that I'd want to be working in the background.

You are multitasking when you have more than one program open.

[ericthehalfbee]

You are multitasking when you have more than one program open.
No you're not, because if the programs are waiting for input (Word, Excel as an example) then they are doing virtually nothing (look at Task Manager in Windows and see the % of usage a program like Word has when the window doesn't have focus).

You have the ability to multitask and have several programs doing work at the same time, but for many users they never really multitask in the true sense of the word - they task switch. Most likely the only multitasking they've done is have files downloading while continuing to browse the web.

[ericthehalfbee]

I don't own an iPhone but when I borrowed my sibling's to use eBuddy, I found it annoying that I would have to close ebuddy to do anything else.

You don't need to be specific- Just the fact that you have to trade off of having to turn something off to do something else. If you have a hard time seeing the benefits of multitask, something's wrong with you =/

And plus, there will always be people who complain. If you're happy with the product, then that's good. I don't see why you have the need to convince everyone else that the product is awesome.
I don't see myself convincing anybody Apple is awesome. It's just fun to tease the Apple haters and some of the ridiculous things they complain about.

Case in point, Apple OS 4.0 isn't true multitasking - it allows for multiple Apps to remain open and they can be resumed exactly where you left off. But since it's not multitasking like Windows 7 is, all the haters are bitching about how "useless" OS 4.0 is when it comes to multitasking.

Bottom line is true multitasking is a useless feature to have on a phone. I mean, it's just a damn phone. It's not a laptop/desktop so why are people whining about lacking a feature that a desktop would have? Apples approach to "multitasking" makes far more sense on a phone than "true" multitasking.

[Manic!]

No you're not, because if the programs are waiting for input (Word, Excel as an example) then they are doing virtually nothing (look at Task Manager in Windows and see the % of usage a program like Word has when the window doesn't have focus).

You have the ability to multitask and have several programs doing work at the same time, but for many users they never really multitask in the true sense of the word - they task switch. Most likely the only multitasking they've done is have files downloading while continuing to browse the web.

But the program is still using system resources. What people mean by multitasking on the Iphone/Ipad is being able to have 2 programs at once.

[Iceman_2K]

Having two programs open at once isn't really multitasking - you aren't doing anything with both programs, you just have them open sitting there. If the definition of multitasking were just to have two or more programs open at once sitting there, it wouldn't be hard to implement.
And the point about ebuddy - I use ebuddy all the time. The app allows for push data and messages to be sent to my iphone from the IM contacts, even if I'm in the middle of a game or watching a video. At that point, i have the option to respond or continue with whatever I'm doing, but I'm still getting messages, and my status is whatever I've set my status to be: online, away or whatever. Just because ebuddy isn't running in the background doesn't mean I'm not getting messages, or not able to respond to messages, or that it kicks me out of MSN or whatever IM i'm logged into.

[Ronin]

LOL HP Slate. First no one cares about the sneak peek. Now it might not even get made.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/hp-slate-killed-rumor-mill-says-yes/

Seriously, running Windows 7 on hardware that fits in a picture frame?

[Ronin]

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

http://www.ededition.com/blogpics/bchowipad.jpg

[Sky_2000]

Jailbreak is finally out for the ipad.

http://modmyi.com/forums/ipad-news/708653-release-ipad-jailbroken-spirit.html

Jailbreaks works for All Iphones and Ipod touches.

[ericthehalfbee]

No kidding HP dropped the idea of a Windows 7 tablet. Just wait until the first reviewrs got one and commented on how "slow" it seemed compared to the snappy iPad.

[Manic!]

Report: U.S. Government to Launch Apple Antitrust Probe Over iPhone Flash Lockout

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18287




:):):):):):):) :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha: :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[ericthehalfbee]

^ Never gonna happen.

If Apple had over 90% of the market (like Windows does on PC's) then maybe you could file antitrust, but with so many players in the smart phone market I just don't see anything coming of this.

Don't like lack of Flash on iPhone - buy another phone that supports it. Pretty simple. It's only when there's no choice available to the consumer that this comes into play. For example, Explorer coming pre-loaded on Windows machines.

[Manic!]

^ Never gonna happen.

If Apple had over 90% of the market (like Windows does on PC's) then maybe you could file antitrust, but with so many players in the smart phone market I just don't see anything coming of this.

Don't like lack of Flash on iPhone - buy another phone that supports it. Pretty simple. It's only when there's no choice available to the consumer that this comes into play. For example, Explorer coming pre-loaded on Windows machines.

But unlike Microsoft Apple controls both the hardware and the software and the lawsuit is not about Apple having a monopoly.

[ericthehalfbee]

^ There are countless industries where a company controls the "hardware & software". You don't hear about them being involved in antitrust cases.

In fact, the vast majority of electronic devices sold in Best Buy or Future Shop have proprietary hardware/software. TV's, stereos, MP3 players, digital cameras - how come they aren't being forced to allow you to run third party software on them?

What about gaming consoles? If they can go after Apple then for sure they can go After Sony for the PS3 and MS for the XBOX. And so on.

BTW, there's no antitrust suit against Apple. They haven't even decided if they're going to do an investigation. After the investigation, then they decide if a suit is warranted. This shouldn't even be a news story yet. Must be some Apple haters publishing this info, 'cuz it means squat at this point in time.


Like I said, nothing is going to happen over this.

[Manic!]

^ There are countless industries where a company controls the "hardware & software". You don't hear about them being involved in antitrust cases.

In fact, the vast majority of electronic devices sold in Best Buy or Future Shop have proprietary hardware/software. TV's, stereos, MP3 players, digital cameras - how come they aren't being forced to allow you to run third party software on them?

What about gaming consoles? If they can go after Apple then for sure they can go After Sony for the PS3 and MS for the XBOX. And so on.




Tv's MP3 players cameras and video game systems don't control 100% of the software and hardware. With Camera's I can use memory and accessories from many different companies. MP3 players I can get songs from anywhere. TV's, just because you own a Sony TV doesn't mean you have to use a Sony Blu-ray player or special Sony cables. when is the last time you heard Microsoft or Nintendo ban a game from there system. Most industry's have gone to standard cables like HDMI for video and Micro USB for charging cellphones but Apple continues to use proprietary cables.

$19 for this?
http://storeimages.apple.com/1690/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/MA591?wid=185&hei=185&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.5,0.5,0,0&iccEmbed=0&layer=comp

and $35 for this?
http://storeimages.apple.com/1690/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/MB352?wid=185&hei=185&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.5,0.5,0,0&iccEmbed=0&layer=comp
$54 just to charge an MP3 player or a phone.

You can buy knock off that look and perform exactly the same for under $5 shipped for both.

[ericthehalfbee]

^ You've got to be kidding me. Way to completely miss the boat.


Why don't you try to develop games for the PS3 and then tell Sony "hey, I can't use xxx development tool or yyy software" and see how far you'll get. Or complain about the lack of support for a certain rendering technology.

Or call up Nikon and say you want to be able to save pictures in both Nikon and Canon RAW formats so you have a "choice".


"Software" is not the content like music and videos - it's the actual software used by the computer processor in the (TV/MP3 player/Blu_ray player/Refrigerator) to operate it.

[LiquidTurbo]

So anyone who owns this thing.. can they give their thoughts on the ownership so far? How often do you use it.. what you use it for.. where you use it? What do you like about it.. what don't you like about it.. etc.?

[Manic!]

^ You've got to be kidding me. Way to completely miss the boat.


Why don't you try to develop games for the PS3 and then tell Sony "hey, I can't use xxx development tool or yyy software" and see how far you'll get. Or complain about the lack of support for a certain rendering technology.

Or call up Nikon and say you want to be able to save pictures in both Nikon and Canon RAW formats so you have a "choice".


"Software" is not the content like music and videos - it's the actual software used by the computer processor in the (TV/MP3 player/Blu_ray player/Refrigerator) to operate it.

I can buy a Intel CPU and use non Intel motherboards and chip sets. I can buy a Windows OS and install it on any make or model computer including Apple. I can't legally by OSX and install it on a non Apple computer.

Apple also banned the use of automatic translation tools so you have to make 2 different versions of the software.

[.Renn.Sport]

I can buy a Intel CPU and use non Intel motherboards and chip sets. I can buy a Windows OS and install it on any make or model computer including Apple. I can't legally by OSX and install it on a non Apple computer.

Apple also banned the use of automatic translation tools so you have to make 2 different versions of the software.

I can't play PS3 games on a XBOX 360 either
so what?

[.Renn.Sport]

$19 for this?
http://storeimages.apple.com/1690/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/MA591?wid=185&hei=185&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.5,0.5,0,0&iccEmbed=0&layer=comp

and $35 for this?
http://storeimages.apple.com/1690/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/MB352?wid=185&hei=185&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.5,0.5,0,0&iccEmbed=0&layer=comp
$54 just to charge an MP3 player or a phone.

You can buy knock off that look and perform exactly the same for under $5 shipped for both.

these comes with every ipod/iphone/ipad

if you lose your Nokia wall charger, its gonna cost around the same. you can get a knock off nokia wall charger for under $5 as well
:rolleyes:

[Manic!]

I can't play PS3 games on a XBOX 360 either
so what?

That's because of hardware incompatibility and has nothing to do with Microsoft stopping game developers. I can get Madden 2010 for every gaming platform. Flash can run on the ipad and phone but Apple has banned it hurting Abode's business.

[Manic!]

these comes with every ipod/iphone/ipad

if you lose your Nokia wall charger, its gonna cost around the same. you can get a knock off nokia wall charger for under $5 as well
:rolleyes:

And people lose things all the time.

Nokia charger from Rogers cost $19 also many phones are now using Mico USB cables. The cell phone industry is going for a standard charging solution were as Apple still wants to stay proprietary.

[ericthehalfbee]

^ You have clearly no idea how the tech industry works. There are thousands of closed systems where the hardware/software is controlled by the company selling the product. This is done so the company can maintain very tight control over how the end product works and what the user experience is like. This is not illegal.

As I said before, the solution is simple. Don't like the iPhone/iPad and what's happening with Adobe? Then don't buy one.

Personally, the sooner Flash dies the better. There's no need to rely on a third party plug-in (that's controlled by a private company) in order to browse the web when open, industry standards like HTML5 are coming in. Even Microsoft is getting behind HTML5.


Maybe they should file an antitrust suit against Adobe. By forcing people to have to download and install Flash just so they can browse the web, Adobe is forming a monopoly. The web is supposed to be open to anyone, but apparently if you don't own the right software (Flash) then you don't get the full benefit.


Funny how the EU could force Microsoft to let users pick between several browsers so they "have a choice in how they want to acces the internet", yet they haven't allowed users the ability to access the internet without using Flash.

[Manic!]

browse the web when open, industry standards like HTML5 are coming in. Even Microsoft is getting behind HTML5.


Maybe they should file an antitrust suit against Adobe. By forcing people to have to download and install Flash just so they can browse the web, Adobe is forming a monopoly. The web is supposed to be open to anyone, but apparently if you don't own the right software (Flash) then you don't get the full benefit.


Funny how the EU could force Microsoft to let users pick between several browsers so they "have a choice in how they want to acces the internet", yet they haven't allowed users the ability to access the internet without using Flash.

Microsoft is also promoting silverlight something simular to flash.

Adobe isn't forcing anyone to use Flash but it is an option for developers. Apple is putting a gun to developers heads. Closed systems are a thing of the past.

[L-Dawg]

Officially JAILBROKEN!!!

[ericthehalfbee]

Microsoft is also promoting silverlight something simular to flash.

Adobe isn't forcing anyone to use Flash but it is an option for developers. Apple is putting a gun to developers heads. Closed systems are a thing of the past.
Silverlight will be about as useless as Flash when HTML5 goes mainstream.

I don't see how you can say Apple is "putting a gun to developers heads". As I said, you have no idea how the tech industry or software industry works. A lot of companies and systems have very strict rules for developers to follow. Don't like the rules? Develop for someone else.

Considering the large number of developers that are writing apps for the App Store, it seems a lot of people are deciding to work within Apple's "rules". And considering how much money many of them make, I bet they are quite happy. Flash what? Adobe who?


Closed systems will never go away. There are too many industries that need tight control of their systems (for example, to maintain reliability & security) to allow developers to simply "roam free". This has been going on since the birth of the computer in some way or another, and is never going to change.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ Apply fan boy.

[ericthehalfbee]

^ Hardly. Only thing Apple I own is an iPhone, and that's because I needed a new phone and wanted an MP3 player and was eligible for an upgrade from Rogers. I kept my last cell phone for 3 years beore it crapped out.

I run an i7 920, dual 80GB Intel SSD's, dual 5870's (watercooled) and I built it myself as I've been doing for years.

I just hate the haters, and Apple haters are some of the most ridiculous. Just like Apple fanboys.

[Great68]

You know, I agree with Eric...

I know people don't like how Apple is going about this, but in the end it should make the internet as a whole BETTER. Open standards = good. Closed standards ie Flash = bad.

[taylor192]

I don't see how you can say Apple is "putting a gun to developers heads". As I said, you have no idea how the tech industry or software industry works. A lot of companies and systems have very strict rules for developers to follow. Don't like the rules? Develop for someone else.
Who do you develop for? It seems you have no idea how this industry works.

Our company has been discussing getting into the mobile platform, yet it requires developing for Apple (26% marketshare), Blackberry (42% marketshare) and soon Android (10% marketshare and rising rapidly).

Why as a company would we want to have 3 different development streams? I'd prefer one platform to develop on that would work on all 3 mobile platforms.

Take the gaming industry as the example. Games are typically made for the XBOX or PC first, then ported to the PS since it is easier to develop for the XBOX and it has a larger audience. The games suffer on the PS cause development does not take advantage of the specific APIs that perform better, cause they have decided to port instead.

Lets revisit one of Steve Jobs arguments against Flash - he wants developers to take advantage of the Apple specific APIs to run better, faster, ... meanwhile companies that develop for multiple mobile platforms could easily decide to develop for the BB and only port to the iPhone and not take advantage of these specific APIs in the interest of getting to market faster with less development cost.

Considering the large number of developers that are writing apps for the App Store, it seems a lot of people are deciding to work within Apple's "rules". And considering how much money many of them make, I bet they are quite happy. Flash what? Adobe who?
They do this cause there is a market for it. If Android catches up to Apple in marketshare, expect this to start to change as Android does not force developers to use specific tools, charge a fee for a development kit, charge a fee to sell the app, or morally police the apps.

That is how the development industry works.

Closed systems will never go away. There are too many industries that need tight control of their systems (for example, to maintain reliability & security) to allow developers to simply "roam free". This has been going on since the birth of the computer in some way or another, and is never going to change.
Sure it will not change for NASA systems, yet for platforms with choice it will change. Google has put a lot of marketing behind Droid and it is paying off with huge increases in marketshare and lots of quality apps to download.

[taylor192]

I know people don't like how Apple is going about this, but in the end it should make the internet as a whole BETTER. Open standards = good. Closed standards ie Flash = bad.

Apple polices its appstore and has denied game publishers that have ported platforms to Apple. There is nothing open about Apple, they are pulling the same crap Microsoft did to Netscape, yet the fanboys are too blind to see it.

[Manic!]

If HTML 5 does gain big support on the web it would be great because developers would not have to submit to the rules of Apples app store and would not have to develop for all the different platforms. The downside of HTML is that different browser display HTML in different ways.

[Iceman_2K]

Seems like anyone who will argue from Apple's point of view is going to be called a Fanboy, regardless of whether or not you are one. Its Apple's product - they can do what they want with it. Its not like there isn't another device out there that does what the ipad does. If it wasn't Apple that was involved, and was, say Nokia, no one would be making a big fuss out of it. At the end of the day, your wallet makes the decision - if it works for you, you buy it; if not, onto the next gadget.
And about the development streams: hey, if its a market that you want to get into, then you develop for it. No single tool to make your life easier to develop and release on 3 platforms, and test on them - tough sh!t. You do what you have to do to enter and succeed in that market. You don't complain and cry about not having a single tool that makes your life easier for you. If you don't want to do it, someone else is willing to do it - and take the developmental cost that comes with it.

[ericthehalfbee]

Who do you develop for? It seems you have no idea how this industry works.
I've been a software engineer since the 80's. I develop embedded applications for the automotive market and currently work with several different microcontroller families.

I would love to have a single development tool that would allow me to write for all families and have my software work perfectly on all of them. But they are competitors and the chance of that is zero. So I had to learn each system and I pick the family I need for a particular application depending on how suitable it is for that application.


In the end, Apple has been very successful with their App Store and iPhone/iPad/iPod products. They have garnered a significant share of the smartphone market in a very short period of time. The App Store has a lot of developers writing Apps and a huge selection to choose from (waiting for people to chime in about the thousands of useless Apps while ignoring the many truly excellent ones).

So it seems Apple's business model, whether you like it or not, has been highly successful. And with all things successful, there are always going to be haters.

[Teh Doucher]

way too much fan boy/non-sense talk in this thread...

so some actual talk about the product itself, i've heard that you cant listen to music from ipod and surf the web at the same time, is this true?

[ericthehalfbee]

^ No it's not true.

Some sites have published that you can't, but they're very sneaky in saying this. They'll try to run a 3rd party music application and use it to listen to music while trying to run Safari to browse. Of course this won't work since you can't multitask a 3rd party app (not now, anyway) along with an Apple App. Then they claim "you can't listen to music while browsing".

Just like the iPhone, Apple's built-in apps multitask and you can listen to music while browsing the web or talk on the phone while checking for e-mail.

[Teh Doucher]

Ya that's what I thought, thanks for clearing that up.
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[Sky_2000]

^ No it's not true.

Some sites have published that you can't, but they're very sneaky in saying this. They'll try to run a 3rd party music application and use it to listen to music while trying to run Safari to browse. Of course this won't work since you can't multitask a 3rd party app (not now, anyway) along with an Apple App. Then they claim "you can't listen to music while browsing".

Just like the iPhone, Apple's built-in apps multitask and you can listen to music while browsing the web or talk on the phone while checking for e-mail.

I take it back.

[Great68]

Apple polices its appstore and has denied game publishers that have ported platforms to Apple. There is nothing open about Apple, they are pulling the same crap Microsoft did to Netscape, yet the fanboys are too blind to see it.

I don't understand why Apple has to be open with their hardware?

If people don't like it, there are alternatives out there. Vote with the wallet instead of complaining about it is the only way that Apple will get the hint.

Obviously the people who are buying these things don't give a shit about open platform.

What I was originally trying to say related to flash vs html 5 (closed vs open) specifically.

[AVS_Racing]

Hm....... Im using the pad now and it's fucking heavy and uncomfortable to use in bed, anyone replaced their laptops at school with this? Thinking if I should buy 1. Any ppt or PDF apps that I can edit with and take notes? Or word apps I can sync with ms word?

[Ronin]

No one is going to replace their laptop with this. It's a fun toy...but it isn't a laptop replacement.

[SkinnyPupp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfmbZkqORX4

HTML5 FTL

[LiquidTurbo]

No one is going to replace their laptop with this. It's a fun toy...but it isn't a laptop replacement.

Every toy has a certain purpose... when does someone play w/ the iPad.. what do you use it for mostly?

[Presto]

iPad-like devices from China are starting to make their way into the market:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39459

[taylor192]

I don't understand why Apple has to be open with their hardware?

They don't have to be, yet they open themselves to the same anti-competitive lawsuits Microsoft did, and to the criticism Microsoft has taken from consumers.

Apple's products are currently living on reputation. Other products have caught up in easy of use and style, while beating Apple's price point.

[DuhDang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfmbZkqORX4

HTML5 FTL

PFAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[Hehe]

I have had a 32GB 3G iPad for almost a week now, and I gotta say again, no flash support is fricking annoying!!! arhhhhhhhhh~~~

When I browse forum and ppl post a video, I have to go through a lot of hassle to see it. And had to cut my sim card to fit the micro sim. But not what bothers me the most, the typing is just horrid. If it wasn't my gf who demands it, I would have just sold it...

[freakshow]

Every toy has a certain purpose... when does someone play w/ the iPad.. what do you use it for mostly?I can see it as something you leave on the coffee table/kitchen counter.. maybe pick up to quickly check an email or website, or show a quick youtube video or something.. not sure what you'd use it for other than that

[Soundy]

http://consumerist.com/apple_help_wanted.jpg

[Tim Budong]

the whole battle is about who can deliver the BEST mobile browsing experience
who doesn't agree that apple has brought the best...

The only shitty part about owning a mac is the flash support...even on the macbook, flash hogs resources like maddd, where as it doesnt kill resources lke it does on the pc...

Alot of the web is slowly trending towards ccs and that sorta crap..(i kno nothing of web development, but i like to read on it) flash will soon get dislodged simply because Apple, and now Microsoft and others who develop websites will stand by it.

[ericthehalfbee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfmbZkqORX4

HTML5 FTL
Lame.

I installed Chrome just so I could fool around with HTML5 sites to see how they looked. I visited canvasdemos and tried the very same apps this idiot did.

First off, my machine specs: i7 920, 6GB RAM, 2 x 80GB Intel SSD's, 2 x 5870 Radeons, win7 Ultimate 64. Basically, my machine rips.


The first app in his demo with the 3D ran perhaps 4 times faster on my PC than his video. My computer should have ran this 20 times faster. At least.

Second app didn't even work properly and only 1 in 3 objects that I drew actually ended up staying on the screen.

Third app was about the same speed as the video and the mouse interaction sucked. I couldn't even play it properly.

I stopped after the first 3 since it's obvious what this guy is doing. He's demoing poorly written garbage programs that don't even run good on a PC and trying to run them on the iPad. Can you get anymore biased?


But hey, don't take my word for it. I suggest people here go visit the site canvasdemos and try out their browsers and PC's to see for yourself just how shitty his selections were.


Why didn't he just go and visit popular websites that everyone uses (like Youtube for example) instead of picking some arbitrary and useless demos? Simple, he's trying to make a "the iPad sucks at browsing" video.

[observer]

How are the lineups today?

[ericthehalfbee]

^ So that's what people were doing at Best Buy when I drove by on my way to work. Losers. No way I'd waste half my day standing in line for something.

[b-dub]

What do you guys use to convert video files?

[Tim Budong]

i walked into simply computing..asked if any were avail, and purchased one...to replace a water damaged iphone

[Manic!]

NBC, Time Warner Willing to Ditch iPad for Flash
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18534

[observer]

What do you guys use to convert video files?

I simply watch via air video leaving the video files on my server computer.

[ericthehalfbee]

NBC, Time Warner Willing to Ditch iPad for Flash
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18534
Haha. What a load of crap.

"won't retool their expensive libraries to accomodate the iPad"

They don't need to "retool" their libraries. All their content should be stored in an industry stadard format on their servers. All they have to do is change the front-end that accesses their content to allow it to be used on different devices.

Wow, what a concept. I bet this has never been done before - having your content adapt to work on various systems/browsers. :rolleyes:

That statement is clearly taken out of context and is meant to try and fool people into thinking that anyone who wants to use HTML5 must completely redo all their content.


Gee, I wonder how all the other video sites were able to so quickly and easily add HTML5 support without "retooling" their libraries.

[LiquidTurbo]

http://www.9to5mac.com/files/NYTimes-ipad-flash.jpg
:haha:

[Vale46Rossi]

What do you guys use to convert video files?

I use WINAVI for my ipad it has a function for iPod
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[Manic!]

Flash now available on the Iphone Ipad!!!

The program uses remote desktop to connect to a computer running Firefox and flash.

http://www.examiner.com/x-13879-iPhone-Examiner~y2010m5d14-Cloud-Browse-brings-Flash-and-Firefox-to-iPhone

[LiquidTurbo]

Massive iPad security breach:

http://gawker.com/5559346/apples-worst-security-breach-114000-ipad-owners-exposed

[goo3]

technical details:


Goatse Security obtained its data through a script on AT&T's website, accessible to anyone on the internet. When provided with an ICC-ID as part of an HTTP request, the script would return the associated email address, in what was apparently intended to be an AJAX-style response within a Web application. The security researchers were able to guess a large swath of ICC IDs by looking at known iPad 3G ICC IDs, some of which are shown in pictures posted by gadget enthusiasts to Flickr and other internet sites, and which can also be obtained through friendly associates who own iPads and are willing to share their information, available within the iPad "Settings" application.

To make AT&T's servers respond, the security group merely had to send an iPad-style "User agent" header in their Web request. Such headers identify users' browser types to websites.

The group wrote a PHP script to automate the harvesting of data. Since a member of the group tells us the script was shared with third-parties prior to AT&T closing the security hole, it's not known exactly whose hands the exploit fell into and what those people did with the names they obtained. A member tells us it's likely many accounts beyond the 114,000 have been compromised.

[ecsw]

I simply watch via air video leaving the video files on my server computer.

what's program u use to stream the video?

what if u need to take it out? what's the best resolution that most ppl decode it at? anyone?

[threezero]

Air video stream your file using a server program install on your computer. I'm using it on my iPhone almost everyday it works great even for rmvb files
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[ecsw]

Air video stream your file using a server program install on your computer. I'm using it on my iPhone almost everyday it works great even for rmvb files
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nice program. But what if you are taking it on a trip, do any of you encode it at 640x480 or does 320x240 looks fine?

[SuperSlowSS]

well after 2 weeks of traveling in japan with nothing but an ipad for the first time.
I have to say.. it rocks! Did everything i needed it to do...and girls love it. lol

[Soundy]

^You realize that liking the iPad for any reason means you're an Apple fanboi who sucks Steve Job's cock, right? Doesn't matter if you actually do find it useful, that only proves that you've drunk the Kool-Aid.

[SuperSlowSS]

Lets see you pull your laptop/netbook out in the middle of a busy city to look up information. And walk around with it.

Also, I like pussy. I like anything that helps me get more.

btw, not sucking steve job's cock doesn't make you not gay.
And in this case.. it makes you really gay and stupid. :)

[Ch28]

Played around with darthchilli's gf's ipad last night and its fun :o

[taylor192]

Lets see you pull your laptop/netbook out in the middle of a busy city to look up information. And walk around with it.

Also, I like pussy. I like anything that helps me get more.

btw, not sucking steve job's cock doesn't make you not gay.
And in this case.. it makes you really gay and stupid. :)
Let see you do it too without looking gay carrying a murse.

If I need to look up something, I'll pull my phone out.

[SuperSlowSS]

you can also use a backpack. most people do when backpacking.

...to look at the time? I guess it is fine if you don't mind paying for international roaming.

[Psykopathik]

"Goatse Security" LOL

[DuhDang]

you can also use a backpack. most people do when backpacking.

...to look at the time? I guess it is fine if you don't mind paying for international roaming.

u fucken fails lol.
Your going to pull out an ipad to look at the time?

[!LittleDragon]

you can also use a backpack. most people do when backpacking.

...to look at the time? I guess it is fine if you don't mind paying for international roaming.

Wouldn't you pay for roaming on an iPad as well? A phone with a decent browser is most likely to have wifi as well as your regular data connections.

[SuperSlowSS]

learn to read DuhDang.

!LittleDragon, I had all the information stored on my ipad already. Also I had this cool offline map app.


If you want to travel ultra light. ipad is the way to go. I had one 14lb backpack for the trip. netbook would have added an extra 1.5lbs. :) Of course it isn't a laptop replacement. But it helped me get by 14 days without laptop.

[!LittleDragon]

I still think it's too big for that purpose. All this info can be stored on a cell phone. I was able to get around New York a few years back with my old Winmo phone. Garmin, Tom Tom, iGo, iGuidance, etc... you have a lot of choices for offline navigation on a cell phone. I actually used it the last few roadtrips, it got me to Vegas and LA, I used to have the passenger hold a laptop with a GPS receiver on the roof. I still bring the laptop to view movies but I can easily go without it now.

I recently made the move to Android so I don't know how the next trip will go, doesn't seem to be as many GPS programs for Android as there are for Winmo.

[Ch28]

Ying is getting so much hate in here :mamoru:

I can see where he's coming from and can sort of picture it in my head. Yes a laptop or cell phone can work but I can see why an iPad would also work in this situation. You pull it out. Press a button and you're ready to go. No need to hold up the laptop while opening the screen or trying to surf on a tiny cell phone screen.

[SuperSlowSS]

Ch28, haha yeah full of ipad haters in here. I bet they never even used the thing longer than 5mins.

I am not saying the ipad is perfect. Nothing is. Did I wish I had a laptop at times on my trip? Hell yes when I got a work call and needed to type something up. But that was only 1 hour out of 14 days. Multitasking would have been really helpful at that point too. (luckily iOS4 is coming) All other times it was great to only carry 1.5lbs. Did I wish it had flash...so I can catch some motoGP action at the airport? yes..but airport wifi sucked anyways and thats about the only flash site I use. All other times it worked great as a device you take on trip. Looking back, no way I could have made it with just an iphone. It is the step between iphone and netbook.

And I actually bought a netbook right before my trip to play around with...see how well it will work for me on the trip. I can tell you right now it is great if I get alot of work calls. But having to carry that 3lbs for 14 days is no fun...or even half a day. ipad is just way cooler to use when not working. :)

Some good things about traveling with ipad:
1. no need to take it out when going through airport security!
2. way lighter than most netbooks and takes way less space
3. great icebreaker
4. really cool device when used together by multiple people. Like when you want to show some pictures/videos to a few people at once.

Basically it is just a tool in my toolbox. Use it for the right job and it will be great.
For you haters... at the very basic level.. you guys are basically hating a screwdriver or hammer, etc. lol
yes a screwdriver isn't perfect...but it gets some jobs done very well.

[bcedhk]

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/137664d1271433956-funny-strange-random-pics-flash-iphone-ipad-spoof.jpg

[stuff99]

Anyone actually interested in the rumoured 7"inch ipad?

[c3m]

I'll be more interested in their ipad update

maybe retina display and front camera?

[VK79]

Just picked up a 64gb. Man most of the apps I bought for my ip4 and touch look so pixilated on the larger screen. You guys know when the ipad gets the ios4 update?
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[c3m]

^ 4.2 for iPad coming in Nov according to Mr.Jobs last week

[ecsw]

Just picked up a 64gb. Man most of the apps I bought for my ip4 and touch look so pixilated on the larger screen. You guys know when the ipad gets the ios4 update?
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pixilated apps has nothing to do with OS. u need to purchase HD version created for iPad instead if there's a app you really like. For example, Angry Bird has Angry Bird HD which goes for $4.99 instead of 99 cents on iPhone.

iPhone app will work, but it wont look good at all.

[VK79]

pixilated apps has nothing to do with OS. u need to purchase HD version created for iPad instead if there's a app you really like. For example, Angry Bird has Angry Bird HD which goes for $4.99 instead of 99 cents on iPhone.

iPhone app will work, but it wont look good at all.
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Yep, I am aware of that. Had to do the same thing with my dvd collection when I decided to go with blu ray. Just saying it sucks that I have to rebuy all the apps I like again less than 1 week later.

[ecsw]

^ :) I know it sucks. but on the bright, jailbreakme still works with ipad. :)

I have itether($5 from Cydia) on iphone4 and tethering thru BT which battery last a lot longer than mywi($20 thru rock) if anyone is interested. Now as long as my wife is close by (it's her iphone4), I can simply turn on itether from my ipad and have internet access anywhere I go. :)

[terkan]

does itether work the other way around? coz i have data on the ipad instead lol.. and does it work if i connect with other device? or just iphones ipads thru bt? coz atleast with mywi i can connect any wifi enabled device on it.

i won my ipad earlier from work.. at first i wasn't too fond of it.. but now that i had it for a while. i kinda like it. especially now i can watch basically any video format on it without having to convert. kills time when i'm at work or taking the skytrain :D

[ecsw]

does itether work the other way around? coz i have data on the ipad instead lol.. and does it work if i connect with other device? or just iphones ipads thru bt? coz atleast with mywi i can connect any wifi enabled device on it.

i won my ipad earlier from work.. at first i wasn't too fond of it.. but now that i had it for a while. i kinda like it. especially now i can watch basically any video format on it without having to convert. kills time when i'm at work or taking the skytrain :D

yes, it should. I had problem setting it up at first.... but once working, it's all good.

Yes, multiple devices are ok. I have iPhone4 tethering enabled from network settings (not sure if that's available in iPad with 3.2.1?) it will ask to turn on BT or USB. I choose BT and that's it.

From my iPad (3.2) and iPod (4.0), I purchased itether once and installed on both. whenever I need data, I only need to turn on itether, no need to do anything on iPhone.

mywi works ok with iPhone4, but it will crash if i used cracked one. :(
mywi aso needs to be turn on on iPhone4 when you need to use it. you wont leave it on all the time as it drains power quickly too.
It also works with PC (iPhone tethering over BT PN).

I use my iPad way more than my 11" laptop now. typing on iPad is much easier than I thought it would be and I replied most of my mail on my iPad.

I used to hate "i" products especially for the iTune video conversion. But Oplayer or many other players does divx just fine now.

The only problem is, I can't show my iPad around kids in family days on the weekend since every kid is asking me "may I play games on your iPad, please?" and I will be instantly "iPad-less". lol.

[terkan]

oh i was just referring to other phone devices with wifi haha ~ i don't think all the phone have the BT tether option rite? but ya i'll give ur itether a try.. it seems pretty good actually

[goo3]

Does anyone use it for note taking? Specifically, note taking on top of PDFs for later review and printing.

I know there's some apps like NoteTaker or iAnnotate PDF. Do they work well or are they kinda iffy? Actually, are there any other tablets/PCs out there that can do note taking well?

Edit: Sorry, I meant note taking with a stylus or finger. I want to replace using paper.

[terkan]

i use it for taking note sometimes while i was still doing my training on my job ~ but i used the attach keyboard since my dad bought one

[VK79]

Yep, Use eFinger for iPad and Handwriting for ip4/touch. No more post it and scraps of paper on my desk. Trying out mental note lite to see if it's any good.
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[terkan]

hmmm... so i bought tickets for famousplayers using my ipad... they didn't feel like sending my tickets to my email... so i'm stuck with an e-version of it on my IPAD............................................ soooo.. anyone know can that stupid scanner gun of theirs scan the ipad barcode?? would it work?

[ecsw]

oh i was just referring to other phone devices with wifi haha ~ i don't think all the phone have the BT tether option rite? but ya i'll give ur itether a try.. it seems pretty good actually

oic. the tethering is only on "i" device and PC/MAC. Android/N900 wont be able to see it.

Android wont work on mywi either, nor JoikuSpot on Nokia because it doesn't support peer to peer wifi unless you root it and change one of the setting in the configuration file.

Windows7 works on BT, but there seem to be a limitation on how many devices can be connected at the same time once PC is connected.

[ecsw]

i need help. Anyone bought an iPad 3G in FS/BB? Are they suppose to come with a MicroSIM? I was at Rogers asking about the SIM and was told it should come with one if you buy it from FS? Is it right?

[ecsw]

To answer my own question, yes, they should come with 1 for free. Have to go back to future shop and they made a return and re-purchase of the iPad and got it for free.
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[terkan]

i dunno i never got one when i purchased it

[fsy82]

wife got me an ipad just recently and was wondering if you guys have any recommended apps for it..this is my first time owning a apple product aside from an ipod

[Soundy]

CANUCKS app, duh!

[JesseBlue]

porn app, duh!

[fsy82]

CANUCKS app, duh!

thats the first app i got...lol

[Iceman_2K]

in regards to greenpois0n, if you are getting the initialized line sitting there, delete any iBBS.n**ap file, and try again.

[ecsw]

wife got me an ipad just recently and was wondering if you guys have any recommended apps for it..this is my first time owning a apple product aside from an ipod

Angry bird HD.
Fruit Ninja HD.
NFS:HP (was 99 cents back in Christmas)

not sure if your wife watch Asian TV and all, or there's a tw.tv pretty good for iPod which works with ipad as well to stream lots of TV shows from Asian thru youtube.

[RC0310_EJ]

just GreenPois0ned my iPad on 4.21 yesterday..

noticed there were a few errors at the top at the beginning.. but everything seems to be working fine..

it's my gf's iPad so I don't really spend much time on it anyway.. lol

[RESN]

i jsut got my ipad yesterday and before I could even play with it my friend dropped it and dented the corner... Fucking choked. Is there anything I can tell apple so they would replace it for me. I can't stand using a dented ipad that I havent even "broken in" yet. I mean if I had used it for a while and it dropped it wouldn't be so pissed but I literally had it for less than 2 hours.. lol if anyone has any similar experieinces let me know

[Senna4ever]

i jsut got my ipad yesterday and before I could even play with it my friend dropped it and dented the corner... Fucking choked. Is there anything I can tell apple so they would replace it for me. I can't stand using a dented ipad that I havent even "broken in" yet. I mean if I had used it for a while and it dropped it wouldn't be so pissed but I literally had it for less than 2 hours.. lol if anyone has any similar experieinces let me know
You're joking, right? It's not Apple's fault...why the hell should they replace it? It's your friend who should be man enough to accept responsibility and buy you a new one - he gets to keep the dropped one. If he's a true friend, you shouldn't even have to ask - he should buy you a new one automatically.

[JesseBlue]

you can tell apple that you or your friend areretarded and would like apple to replace your ipad since your friend dropped it and you don't know what to do...

your welcome...

[RESN]

Yes I'm pretty aware that it's not Apples fault. I'm not demanding that Apple replace it for me (My bad if I implied it that way lol...). My friend did offer to just buy this dented one off me so I could just buy a new one myself. But I know for a fact that he doesn't really have the cash to fork out and buy a iPad all of a sudden since we're both students. So I'd like to at least try and find an alternate solution for him first before skipping right to that step. Which is why I posted here in the first place to see if anyone has had experience with Apples warranty.

[Senna4ever]

Well, what if you get it repaired and he pays for the repair? It should be cheaper than getting a replacement unit. I don't think you should be stuck with a damaged unit - that's not fair to you.

[LookHere_Sucka]

Get a hard case to cover up the dent, if you can't get a replacement or your friend won't buy you another one.

[RESN]

Yeah he definitely will help me get a new unit. I just want the cheapest way for him haha. Yeah I'm just going to give it a shot tomorrow. Head over to the apple store tell them what happened and see if the employee will feel sympathy and help me out. I'll ask them how much it costs to get a replacement unit or repair fee. Will put the information on this thread tomorrow in case anyone else will need this info in the future.

[Senna4ever]

They might give you a "good will" discount for repairs.
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[StylinRed]

thinking about getting my Mom an Ipad are they available in Chinese? u know the OS and the keyboard

[insomniac]

^yeah you can set the iPad to practiacally every language except 1337 speak lol
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[StylinRed]

so i think im set on getting my mom an ipad

i tried getting chinese characters engraved on the back but the website doesn't allow it

would the apple stores be able to order or do engraving with chinese characters? or does apple just not offer it

[insomniac]

i think apple canada only supports english...
im not 100% sure tho.
people on forums say to just contact apple.
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=12212499

you can engrave in china though
http://micgadget.com/9140/apple-online-store-and-app-store-now-available-in-china/

good luck

[stuff99]

The new Android Honeycomb table OS looks very nice...kinda makes the Apple OS look extremely dated AND it can play flash.

What are your thoughts on it guys?

[JesseBlue]

flash again...with flash can the battery life be longer than 10 hours?

[!LittleDragon]

I've been close to 9 hours with flash on my Tegra 2 tablet. Haven't actually used it to the point where the device died but I think it can hit 10 hours. I dunno about anyone else but I tend to put my devices back on the charger when I'm finished using it.

[stuff99]

I suspect the reason for Apple's delayed announcement is cause the iPad 2 was just minor tweaks ala iphone 3g to iphone 3gs. Nothing new at all.
Same display, rumours of same processor, same OS just added a paltry 1MP camera.

Then Xoom and Galaxy 10.1 and Honeycomb came out and they were caught offguard.