[EgNyTeR]

We're just a few hours away from Apple finally announcing their iSlate/iTablet. . . . who's in the market for one? Who's willing and ready to drop about $1000 for one of these babies.

I must say, I'm pretty stoked about this product if it's true. I'm very interested in purchasing one and if I do, it'll be my very first MAC product! haha. I've always stayed away from Apple products but for some reason, they may get my money for this one. :haha:

[.Renn.Sport]

so its just gonna be an iphone with 10 inch screen?

[FN-2199]

It's literally a jumbo iPod Touch. The price is a bit much, but I wouldn't consider getting one for a few years so they can 'perfect' it.

[EgNyTeR]

ya it's pretty much an huge iPhone cause it should have WiFi plus a cellular radio as well to work when there's no WiFi available. Seems a bit pricey considering you can get a MacBook for $1000.

[ddr]

for 1g it better have the hardware and software to back it up

i just want a color ebook reader that size so i can read all the pdf's i torrent

$500 and I'll grab it. dream on lol

[Eclypz]

Probably won't be getting one.

I already have a laptop, an Eee and ipod touch.
Don't see why I'd need one, and I doubt it can do anything I can't already do.

But we'll see if there are any surprises once the official announcement is made.
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[AVS_Racing]

it depends on how it looks + specs first

[SkinnyPupp]

Wow a giant iphone, just what the world needed!

Tablets failed at least twice already. And with this one, even the apple retards don't seem to be buzzing about it too much.

But then again, they are retards, so they will probably buy them in droves after inseminating their own pants watching Steve Jobs announce it tomorrow.

[.Renn.Sport]

i much rather they annouce iphone 4G with 4" OLED screen and better camera and ichat messenger with MSN support and BBM :D

[+Kardboard+]

iDontGiveaDamn.

A refreshed MacBook Pro with Blu-Ray? That's more interesting to me.

[matter]

woohoo its called the iPad. The worlds most advanced feminine napkin.

[SkinnyPupp]

No flash support. iFail

[!Aznboi128]

iPad looks horrible!

it's basically a big iPod touch. the screen's 4:3.... fail

[tiger_handheld]

AAPL is down =\ .... sounds like a ifailure product.

[SkinnyPupp]

18 months from now, they will announce the iPad 2G with these AMAZING features:

16:9 screen
USB
3G connectivity
Headphone ports
Video and Photo camera

And the Apple Idiots will gobble it up like a bukkake fest.

Everyone else who ever wanted a tabled will have already bought an Eee Pad.

[hotjoint]

not appealing at all

[sonick]

They have a larger version coming out in Q4, it will be named the maxiPad.

[SkinnyPupp]

EDIT: Wrong about the screen res

[SkinnyPupp]

YouTube- MadTV - iPad (iPod Parody) correct aspect

[MarkyMark]

Yeah I think i'd rather buy an acual laptop for the same price that won't cripple my web experience because it actually has Flash.

If you have an iphone or ipod touch why the hell would you buy this thing...

"yeah, its the same shit, but it's bigger!!"

[Soundy]

They have a larger version coming out in Q4, it will be named the maxiPad.

:IDL:

[hotong]

not going to get one

[Conan O'Brien Sex Video]

it looks like a giant iphone for the visually impaired

[Ch28]

Wow a giant iphone, just what the world needed!

Tablets failed at least twice already. And with this one, even the apple retards don't seem to be buzzing about it too much.

But then again, they are retards, so they will probably buy them in droves after inseminating their own pants watching Steve Jobs announce it tomorrow.

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

[Ch28]

18 months from now, they will announce the iPad 2G with these AMAZING features:

16:9 screen
USB
3G connectivity
Headphone ports
Video and Photo camera

And the Apple Idiots will gobble it up like a bukkake fest.

Everyone else who ever wanted a tabled will have already bought an Eee Pad.

Sad thing is that that these features should have come standard with what was announced today. Yet all the Apple morons will praise Steve Jobs as a god when its announced later on.

[SkinnyPupp]

No multitasking either BTW

[MarkyMark]

I think more people were looking forward to Apple announcing a new OS for the iphone, but that didn't happen, and by the looks of the iPad, the next upgrade isn't going to be anything special.

[Brianrietta]

A refreshed MacBook Pro with Blu-Ray? That's more interesting to me.

Aye. I need something to replace my Air.

[hotong]

how mush is this going to be?

[SkinnyPupp]

$500 for the low end model (without 3G) $820 for the highest one with 3G

[+Kardboard+]

Useless piece of junk! But the name...HAHHAHAHAAH it brought down the Internetz with the lulz HAHAHA

Where are you guys getting your info? It has a 1024x768 screen, 3G connectivity, unlocked. 16-64GB capacity. www.engadget.com

Oh man, the jokes flooding Twitter:

RT @Trish1981: I'm not buying an iPad yet. I'll wait until they release one with wings.
RT @GavinThompson: @Kardboard Pffffft the iPad is no laughing matter. Period!

And so on hAHHAHA :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah I was going by info DURING the conference. He waited until the end to announce 3G connectivity for a 26% price increase ;)

The 960 res, I have no fucken clue where that came from. For some reason I thought Wikipedia had reliable info.

[DuhDang]

wow dumbest product ever. It's literally a oversized iphone. When steve jobs was revealing it, he didnt seem to excited lol.

[Ch28]

I still think Bob Mackin's quote was the best

@bobmackin: World's newest pickup line for Apple fans: "My iPad or yours?"

[Presto]

Compare this with the recently announced HP Slate (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/the-hp-slate/), which runs full Windows with widescreen, and you've got yourself an epic fail.

[ddr]

i can't wait to see the educational and refurb prices on these things

and v2 of it

[stuff99]

how can they claim its the best internet surfing device when it doesnt even support flash?

[Domani]

no flash and no multitask.... = fail.

[TOS'd]

"The MOST important thing I've EVER done" - Steve Jobs

:IDL

[Senna4ever]

....no GPS either. Boo~!

[!Aznboi128]

....no GPS either. Boo~!
very important fail!


all of its down falls
http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad

no camera need adapters for a sd slot or even usb

[bcedhk]

Steve Jobs - " Ladies and Gentleman, I introduce to you, the iPad."

all the geeks response - http://th05.deviantart.net/fs39/300W/f/2008/344/c/9/I_jizz_in_my_pants_by_HOLIMOUNT.jpg

[bcedhk]

basically your paying 499$ usd for a giant LCD picture frame.

[DuhDang]

i guess this is apples biggest Ifails LAWL

[hotong]

$500 for the low end model (without 3G) $820 for the highest one with 3G

fuck thats pricey

[SkinnyPupp]

Yup, 16GB on the $500 one. How much storage does a $500 netbook come with? 250 GB? Plus they have these neat things called USB ports, and flash card ports, which allow you to add external memory.. Sounds too good to be true!

Oh yeah, and if you are using your Netbook for something, you can switch windows to do other stuff, without closing the program you're in!

Yeah Apple is right. Netbooks are useless!

At least the iPad has cut and paste (I assume anyway)

[!Aznboi128]

Yup, 16GB on the $500 one. How much storage does a $500 netbook come with? 250 GB? Plus they have these neat things called USB ports, and flash card ports, which allow you to add external memory.. Sounds too good to be true!

Oh yeah, and if you are using your Netbook for something, you can switch windows to do other stuff, without closing the program you're in!

Yeah Apple is right. Netbooks are useless!

At least the iPad has cut and paste (I assume anyway)
it runs on ipod touch fw 3.2 so it should have cut and paste

[+Kardboard+]

iAmBored:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3531/soniamdisappointwaterma.png (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/soniamdisappointwaterma.png/)

[taylor192]

iPad is iPwned

[skyxx]

The most useless product. The only good feature about it is the IPS screen. LOL What a fail. Anyway, they should spend their time and upgrade their freaking Mac Pros and Macbook Pros.

[Hehe]

Huge disappointment.

Whoever buys it is just an Apple fanboy try to impress others with his shinny new gadget. ahaha

[Ch28]

The good thing about the iPad is that it'll be super easy to spot the idiot apple fanboys.

[Jsunu]

Apple tv all over again

[bcedhk]

wait for like a day before someone cracks the screen cause they put it in their bag and then gets squished.

they gonna sell like macbook air's... like 100 of them.

[+Kardboard+]

The most useless product. The only good feature about it is the IPS screen. LOL What a fail. Anyway, they should spend their time and upgrade their freaking Mac Pros and Macbook Pros.
+1, although I'm mildly glad that they didn't, otherwise I would have to go through the big hassle of exchanging my 4-day old MBP hahah

Also,

"Steve Jobs, imma let you finish, but Moses had the greatest tablet announcement of all time. OF ALL TIME." (via Twitter)

[Razor Ramon HG]

they gonna sell like macbook air's... like 100 of them.

The MBA was a product for a very niche market IMO. The iPad is no different. Most consumers like us won't find a need for it.

[skyxx]

+1, although I'm mildly glad that they didn't, otherwise I would have to go through the big hassle of exchanging my 4-day old MBP hahah

Also,

"Steve Jobs, imma let you finish, but Moses had the greatest tablet announcement of all time. OF ALL TIME." (via Twitter)

Did you get it through educational discount or at the store?

[bcedhk]

The MBA was a product for a very niche market IMO. The iPad is no different. Most consumers like us won't find a need for it.

true, the MBA would have sold like hotcakes if it wasn't 1799!

[+Kardboard+]

Did you get it through educational discount or at the store?
No, I'm not a student. Got it in-store.

[sonick]

It may seem perfect at first, but when you think about it, it would be terrible for porn. Can you imaine how awkward it would be?

You can't hold up the iPad, manipulate the time slider so it replays the money shot over and over again, AND stroke off at the same time.

FAIL. Or at least requires a masturbation accessory stand or something.

[TOPEC]

It may seem perfect at first, but when you think about it, it would be terrible for porn. Can you imaine how awkward it would be?

You can't hold up the iPad, manipulate the time slider so it replays the money shot over and over again, AND stroke off at the same time.

FAIL. Or at least requires a masturbation accessory stand or something.

they do have a keyboard with built in stand to stand up the pad on a desktop.

[sonick]

they do have a keyboard with built in stand to stand up the pad on a desktop.

That's better at least.

[Hondaracer]

http://i.imgur.com/3877N.jpg

[.Renn.Sport]

true, the MBA would have sold like hotcakes if it wasn't 1799!

MacBook Air actually sold pretty well, there are a lot of ppl with money out there unlike u

Go to a starbucks in a wealthier place like New York or Beverly Hills, there are a lot of ppl with Macbook Air

[+Kardboard+]

It may seem perfect at first, but when you think about it, it would be terrible for porn. Can you imaine how awkward it would be?

You can't hold up the iPad, manipulate the time slider so it replays the money shot over and over again, AND stroke off at the same time.

FAIL. Or at least requires a masturbation accessory stand or something.
:haha::haha::haha:
http://i.imgur.com/3877N.jpg
:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:
MacBook Air actually sold pretty well, there are a lot of ppl with money out there unlike u

Go to a starbucks in a wealthier place like New York or Beverly Hills, there are a lot of ppl with Macbook Air
It's true. Lots of business execs have it too. Mind you, I still think it's a lousy deal, as the unibody MacBook Pros aren't that thick either!

[StylinRed]

rofl i wonder how many morons are going to buy this thing

[Ferra]

wtf?? no flash?? why would they leave out flash if it were meant to be a surfing machine?

I am actually surprised by the $500 price point tho, that seems quite reasonable compare to the rest of the apple's product like the iphone ($700+) and the macbook($1200+)

It would be sweet if I could turn it into a universal remote control :D

[Tim Budong]

bleh..
ipad...
give me my i7 or i5 mbp please
i didnt buy my new mac cuz i kno they will come out wiht it...ughhh

[Iceman_2K]

theres one group of people that may be very excited with an announcement like this: doctors and physicians.

[+Kardboard+]

http://i.imgur.com/wApCi.png

[.Renn.Sport]

theres one group of people that may be very excited with an announcement like this: doctors and physicians.

i think this fits a lot of retail and business use.... it would be an awesome tool for some interactive presentation to the client

but I just cant figure out why I would buy one for personal use.

[.Renn.Sport]

wait... i figured out whats the best use for the ipad... its the best companion when u are taking a dump

[SuperSlowSS]

personal use? you can surf the net while taking a shit.

[threezero]

personal use? you can surf the net while taking a shit.

yea but you can already do that with your laptop and your phone, or you could setup a pc in your washroom with keyboard mouse bigger screen for around the same price.


sounds like it would only be useful for business use BUT it will require completely reprogramming for it to be apply to individual situation, i doubt app store would come out with actually commercial business app. so much money and work need to make it fit into systems business have already mind as well get the hp slate and it already comes with an OS that is compatible with the company existing softwares.

[.Renn.Sport]

HP slate would actually be a better platform for business app programming.... but I don't think they will even sell it for $499 and it wont be out until the end of the year


but i dont think the ipad/iphone OS even support printing... so that would be a big minus

[SuperSlowSS]

yea but you can already do that with your laptop and your phone, or you could setup a pc in your washroom with keyboard mouse bigger screen for around the same price.


sounds like it would only be useful for business use BUT it will require completely reprogramming for it to be apply to individual situation, i doubt app store would come out with actually commercial business app. so much money and work need to make it fit into systems business have already mind as well get the hp slate and it already comes with an OS that is compatible with the company existing softwares.

speak for yourself. I don't want to hold no keyboard, mouse or laptop while taking a dump. iPhone is ok, but screen too small. ipad fills this perfectly. haha

man theres alot of use for this thing. I think most of you are looking it wrong. You see it as a replacement for laptop(netbook) or iphone. But it isn't. You can use this thing at places where the two doesn't really work as well.

Think of notepad, a book, piece of paper. Thats what it can replace and do much more. It is one of those things where once you start to use it, you will be wondering how you got by without it before. And at $500...thats cheap.

[.Renn.Sport]

speak for yourself. I don't want to hold no keyboard, mouse or laptop while taking a dump. iPhone is ok, but screen too small. ipad fills this perfectly. haha

man theres alot of use for this thing. I think most of you are looking it wrong. You see it as a replacement for laptop(netbook) or iphone. But it isn't. You can use this thing at places where the two doesn't really work as well.

Think of notepad, a book, piece of paper. Thats what it can replace and do much more. It is one of those things where once you start to use it, you will be wondering how you got by without it before. And at $500...thats cheap.

that is exactly it. :thumbsup:
but right now the iphone OS is still too limited and inflexible

[Kim Jong Un]

Fuckin apple is smoking crack...
Dude I was like so pump to see the tablet until I went on their website, biggest fail of 2010
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[Senna4ever]

Niche product for sure. It does some things very well like e-books, although I personally hate using & reading e-books, video & light web-use. The HUGE no-no for me is the lack of Adobe Flash support. Most visual artists utilize Flash in their web-sites, and the lack of Flash is pretty much alienating a core market of Apple products. A vast majority of photographers have iPhones & Macs. As a photographer, I have almost no use for the iPad, except maybe as a nice, thin portable electronic portfolio - as long as there is a way to colour calibrate the screen. I'll keep my 17" Macbook Pro, thank you. Now, having said that, I think it's not right to outright pan the iPad without even having seen or used it. Consumers will most likely find creative ways to use the thing.

Dare I say...? Newton > iPad

[Hehe]

Apple will never support flash on their mobile products. They don't want stuff like Hulu get in their iTunes store's revenue.

[StylinRed]

theres one group of people that may be very excited with an announcement like this: doctors and physicians.

everyone in my family thinks its retarded.. well except for 1 of them but he's just a dentist not a real doctor

1 of the main issues? multitasking, doctors actually run a number of things at a time when they're with a patient


and im pretty sure my dentist cousin doesnt realize how inhibited he'll be due to no flash since most of what he uses comps for is flash oriented

[threezero]

Niche product for sure. It does some things very well like e-books, although I personally hate using & reading e-books, video & light web-use. The HUGE no-no for me is the lack of Adobe Flash support. Most visual artists utilize Flash in their web-sites, and the lack of Flash is pretty much alienating a core market of Apple products. A vast majority of photographers have iPhones & Macs. As a photographer, I have almost no use for the iPad, except maybe as a nice, thin portable electronic portfolio - as long as there is a way to colour calibrate the screen. I'll keep my 17" Macbook Pro, thank you. Now, having said that, I think it's not right to outright pan the iPad without even having seen or used it. Consumers will most likely find creative ways to use the thing.

Dare I say...? Newton > iPad

i like that portable porfolio idea.

[K-Dub]

Apple will never support flash on their mobile products. They don't want stuff like Hulu get in their iTunes store's revenue.
just wait till HTML5 comes out.

[Ronin]

I was hoping for...basically a MacBook tablet. They fucking have them already...just that they're modified third party MacBooks. Why couldn't they make that instead of a giant iPhone?

I would've paid more if it was more MBP than iPhone. I don't use the majority of iPhone apps as it is...I would probably use them less if I had to carry around a 10" version.

That being said...$499...that's cheap enough to buy just for kicks.

[goo3]

Now, having said that, I think it's not right to outright pan the iPad without even having seen or used it.

Funny thing.. when i was deciding to go with a MacBook or a PC for my laptop, I heard a lot of ppl panning Apple. I realized after.. most of these ppl never even used a Mac. They were just repeating what others who've never used one were saying. Not exactly the most helpful ppl around.

So I got nothing to say about the tablet itself until it hits stores. Only that we shouldn't underestimate the power of the App store and iTunes for a 10" touch device. New possibilities for apps, games, podcasts, media, etc..

[raygunpk]

it will sell like wildfire because of the brand alone. i remember a lot of articles bashing the ipod when it first came out, and look how that turned out. same with the iphone.

i still dislike apple, but they market very effectively.

[ray666]

iPass

[Kim Jong Un]

at least make it run on modified leopard or something can you just imagine photoshop running on these things : P

[Soundy]

it will sell like wildfire because of the brand alone. i remember a lot of articles bashing the ipod when it first came out, and look how that turned out. same with the iphone.

i still dislike apple, but they market very effectively.

They also pay a lot of attention to detail, to fit and finish, and to the interface, making it very friendly and very solid. I have yet to try an MP3 player where the controls are as smooth and reliable as the iPod clickwheel. I've abused iPod Nanos and Minis in unbelievable fashion and they not only still work, but they hardly show any scars.

I've had a couple of different Windows Mobile phones now, and as much as I love the hackability and expandability of them, none of them have managed to keep up with my friends' iPhones for how slick they operate. The iPhone interface, at least every time I've used it, is smooth and responsive and I've never had a "missed touch".

My Omnia's touch, on the other hand, is great when it works... but too often I try to do a "swipe" and it reads "tap"... or I want to to do a "tap" but I have to "tap and hold" before it will respond. It has a tap-and-drag to zoom feature on some apps, but that too, is iffy at times - when it works properly, it's great, but sometimes it lags or is non-responsive. Everytime I've used an iPhone, the zoom and scroll and swipe functions... just work.

And for my hands at least, the iPhone's screen size, and correspondingly the on-screen keyboard size, is just about the ideal meeting point of compactness and usability - I have yet to find a keyboard for my Omnia that doesn't give me "rollover" problems with my fat thumbs, while the iPhone's are just big enough without making the phone too big.

This is really Apple's forte - not as much being on the bleeding edge, but putting a nice smooth blade protector on it :)

[Soundy]

at least make it run on modified leopard or something can you just imagine photoshop running on these things : P

You can always get a standard tablet PC and hack OSX to run on that :)

[jmvdesign]

at least make it run on modified leopard or something can you just imagine photoshop running on these things : P

designers were looking forward to potentially use this for digital sketching with a stylus pen in photoshop or alias sketchbook pro as another alternative compared to the current wacom tablets. but the fact that it's running on iphone os with no multi-tasking abilities, that alone just made this device completely obsolete in the design industry, an already huge market for apple.

but knowing apple's strategy, its apparent that they'll opt out certain key features and but eventually release them on upcoming iterations.

[Iceman_2K]

You can get stylus' that work on the iphone already on ebay and other various sources......since it uses the same screen as the iphone, the same stylus would work on the ipad.

[SkinnyPupp]

at least make it run on modified leopard or something can you just imagine photoshop running on these things : P
Yeah I'd like to see someone try to run Photoshop on a 1 Ghz ARM processor :lol

[taylor192]

man theres alot of use for this thing. I think most of you are looking it wrong. You see it as a replacement for laptop(netbook) or iphone. But it isn't. You can use this thing at places where the two doesn't really work as well.

Think of notepad, a book, piece of paper. Thats what it can replace and do much more. It is one of those things where once you start to use it, you will be wondering how you got by without it before. And at $500...thats cheap.

Please tell me how you're going to carry this around? Do you have a man-purse? I don't. I have a laptop bag... and well my laptop can just as easily go in my laptop bag.

The iPad is an expensive toy that will sit on coffee tables if you want to quickly surf the web for a bit. Typing will be painful, and holding the tablet tiresome. The keyboard requires you carry more equipment around, and the stand doesn't allow the angle to be adjusted for viewing while seated.

[Iceman_2K]

Take it from someone who works with the health care industry very intimately (US Health care that is) - they don't. They want everything to occur with one click, and the easier the better. They don't like complexity and don't care for the ability to do more than one thing at one time - especially when liability is on the line if a mistake is made. I've seen doctors ask for workstations that cost upwards to $30000 and all they do on it is put their coffee cup on the top of it and browse the Wall Street Journal. A machine, whether it be a laptop, desktop or whatever, is just a tool. The simpler and easier it is for them to pick up and use, the better.

Most of the remarks so far have been comparing it to the netbook and laptop replacements, or even desktop replacements. That's a pretty limited and short sighted view as to what this device can do and its potential applications.

everyone in my family thinks its retarded.. well except for 1 of them but he's just a dentist not a real doctor

1 of the main issues? multitasking, doctors actually run a number of things at a time when they're with a patient


and im pretty sure my dentist cousin doesnt realize how inhibited he'll be due to no flash since most of what he uses comps for is flash oriented

[SuperSlowSS]

Please tell me how you're going to carry this around? Do you have a man-purse? I don't. I have a laptop bag... and well my laptop can just as easily go in my laptop bag.

The iPad is an expensive toy that will sit on coffee tables if you want to quickly surf the web for a bit. Typing will be painful, and holding the table tiresome. The keyboard requires you carry more equipment around, and the stand doesn't allow the angle to be adjusted for viewing while seated.

Think how do you carry a paper notebook or book around? You can use a bag, or just carry it with your hand. You do the same with the ipad. And this thing is so thin, I can just put it in my laptop bag with my laptop.

Like I said in my post. It isn't a replacement for your computer or iphone. The thing only has like 256mb of memory...why would you want it to multitask or run full osx? And apple isn't stupid, they wouldn't want this thing to cut into their macbook or iphone sales.

I am sure they could have made it even more powerful, with cameras, run full osx, multitask. But you know what will happen to the price? Yes goes up. Just look at the newton! It was soooo cool and expensive at the time. Where is it now? That was a niche product. Lets just say if I had to buy my grandparents a computer to surf the net and do some email...I would get the ipad.

You speak like you have already played with it. :)

[604778]

expensive
silly looking
stupid name
no camera
no flash
did i say expensive?
annoying to carry and use

Who needs this piece of crap?

[jmvdesign]

This thing could have had so much potential but it fails miserably no matter how much you sugarcoat it.

Gizmodo's 8 Things That Suck About the iPad

http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/

"Big, Ugly Bezel
Have you seen the bezel on this thing?! It's huge! I know you don't want to accidentally input a command when your thumb is holding it, but come on.

No Multitasking
This is a backbreaker. If this is supposed to be a replacement for netbooks, how can it possibly not have multitasking? Are you saying I can't listen to Pandora while writing a document? I can't have my Twitter app open at the same time as my browser? I can't have AIM open at the same time as my email? Are you kidding me? This alone guarantees that I will not buy this product.

No Cameras
No front facing camera is one thing. But no back facing camera either? Why the hell not? I can't imagine what the downside was for including at least one camera. Could this thing not handle video iChat?

Touch Keyboard
So much for Apple revolutionizing tablet inputs; this is the same big, ugly touchscreen keyboard we've seen on other tablets, and unless you're lying on the couch with your knees propping it up, it'll be awkward to use.

No HDMI Out
Want to watch those nice HD videos you downloaded from iTunes on your TV? Too damned bad! If you were truly loyal, you'd just buy an AppleTV already.

The Name iPad
Get ready for Maxi pad jokes, and lots of 'em!

No Flash
No Flash is annoying but not a dealbreaker on the iPhone and iPod Touch. On something that's supposed to be closer to a netbook or laptop? It will leave huge, gaping holes in websites. I hope you don't care about streaming video! God knows not many casual internet users do. Oh wait, nevermind, they all do.

Adapters, Adapters, Adapters
So much for those smooth lines. If you want to plug anything into this, such as a digital camera, you need all sorts of ugly adapters. You need an adapter for USB for god's sake.

Update: Why stop at 8? Here are more things we are discovering that suck about the iPad.

It's Not Widescreen
Widescreen movies look lousy on this thing thanks to its 4:3 screen, according to Blam, who checked out some of Star Trek on one. It's like owning a 4:3 TV all over again!

Doesn't Support T-Mobile 3G
Sure, it's "unlocked." But it won't work on T-Mobile, and it uses microSIMs that literally no one else uses.

A Closed App Ecosystem
The iPad only runs apps from the App Store. The same App Store that is notorious for banning apps for no real reason, such as Google Voice. Sure, netbooks might not have touchscreens, but you can install whatever software you'd like on them. Want to run a different browser on your iPad? Too bad!"

[Soundy]

The iPad is an expensive toy that will sit on coffee tables if you want to quickly surf the web for a bit. Typing will be painful, and holding the table tiresome.

http://content.pyzam.com/funnypics/misc/DoingItWrong6.jpg

[Great68]

Think of notepad, a book, piece of paper. Thats what it can replace and do much more. It is one of those things where once you start to use it, you will be wondering how you got by without it before. And at $500...thats cheap.

I couldn't have imagined replacing my notebook in school with something like this.

Pieces of paper don't need to be charged to be used, they don't break when you drop them, and aren't succeptible to system crashes and file corruption.

[Soundy]

expensive

Compared to what? A loaf of bread? A Gallardo?

silly looking

So's your momma.

stupid name

Granted.

no camera
no flash

What do you think it is, a phone?

annoying to carry and use

Voice of experience?

Gizmodo's 8 Things That Suck About the iPad
...
No Cameras
No front facing camera is one thing. But no back facing camera either? Why the hell not? I can't imagine what the downside was for including at least one camera. Could this thing not handle video iChat?

Why the FUCK would you want a rear-facing camera on this thing? So people can iChat with your crotch??!

Touch Keyboard
So much for Apple revolutionizing tablet inputs; this is the same big, ugly touchscreen keyboard we've seen on other tablets, and unless you're lying on the couch with your knees propping it up, it'll be awkward to use.


How the hell else would your "revolutionize" keyboard input?? A slide-out keyboard like on some phones? Then people would whinge about the extra thickness that adds. TANSTAAFL.

Adapters, Adapters, Adapters
So much for those smooth lines. If you want to plug anything into this, such as a digital camera, you need all sorts of ugly adapters. You need an adapter for USB for god's sake.

Pssst... I need an adapter/cable to plug my digital camera into my laptop too :P

Sure there's lots to not like about the thing, but some of the complaints are just getting silly. OH NOEZ, IT DOESN'T MAKE COFFEE EITHER!! IT SUXORZZ!

[taylor192]

Think how do you carry a paper notebook or book around? You can use a bag, or just carry it with your hand. You do the same with the ipad.
I don't carry paper notebooks around. Why? Cause they don't fit in my pocket.

A book is different. I will carry that in my hand, throw it on the car seat, or leave it on a table at a coffee shop. Why? Cause it costs $30, not $700. If it goes missing, get dropped, gets spilled on, ... I'm not worried.

And this thing is so thin, I can just put it in my laptop bag with my laptop.
My laptop is already in my bag, why do I need another $700 toy to carry around?
And apple isn't stupid, they wouldn't want this thing to cut into their macbook or iphone sales.
iPhone sales have cut into iPod sales.

Yes goes up. Just look at the newton! It was soooo cool and expensive at the time. Where is it now? That was a niche product.
This is a niche product, and at $700 isn't not cheap. 16GB isn't enough to hold videos, which is supposed to be a selling point of this. Its a simple portable multimedia centre - without enough space. So people will be buying the $600 and $700 models.

Lets not even get into the $30-70 add-ons and the $130 3G option with a $30 data plan. Now I need a data plan for my phone, and my iPad.
Lets just say if I had to buy my grandparents a computer to surf the net and do some email...I would get the ipad.
I would also get one for my GF's 8yo, yet she would quickly be very disappointed in it like she is with her DSi. She wanted a DSi to surf the internet, to play online games and watch videos. Unfortunately the DSi does not support flash, so its useless for 90% of her surfing. She nearly cried when I informed her of this, since she had debated between the DSi and a iTouch just so she could sit on the couch and surf.

I reassured her that the iTouch doesn't have flash either, she'd only get access to YouTube yet lose all her cool DS games. She felt better.

Any device that claims to be the ultimate internet device and lacks flash is garbage IMHO.
You speak like you have already played with it. :)
So do you. :p

[taylor192]

Pssst... I need an adapter/cable to plug my digital camera into my laptop too :P
That cable is included FREE with your camera. The iPad connector costs another $30, and still needs the same cable that came free with your camera.

[Presto]

500 bucks is not cheap, especially for the features (or lack of).

It's easy to pick out the Apple fanboys when you look through the comments on Gizmodo and other sites. They're the only ones defending this piece of junk.

[taylor192]

I couldn't have imagined replacing my notebook in school with something like this.

Pieces of paper don't need to be charged to be used, they don't break when you drop them, and aren't succeptible to system crashes and file corruption.
Exactly. I abuse a $5 notepad cause that's what it is for. A handy cheap pad to keep around and take quick notes without caring about its condition. I would cringe at abusing a $700 tablet.

[taylor192]

Take it from someone who works with the health care industry very intimately (US Health care that is) - they don't. They want everything to occur with one click, and the easier the better. They don't like complexity and don't care for the ability to do more than one thing at one time - especially when liability is on the line if a mistake is made. I've seen doctors ask for workstations that cost upwards to $30000 and all they do on it is put their coffee cup on the top of it and browse the Wall Street Journal. A machine, whether it be a laptop, desktop or whatever, is just a tool. The simpler and easier it is for them to pick up and use, the better.

Most of the remarks so far have been comparing it to the netbook and laptop replacements, or even desktop replacements. That's a pretty limited and short sighted view as to what this device can do and its potential applications.
I'm a software developer in the health care industry.

The iPad will have no place in the healthcare industry. There are too many software development barriers, and few financial incentives.

Hospitals invest $Ms in software/hardware, and are slow to change cause of it. All hospitals I have worked with are heavily invested in Microsoft cause it solves their security concerns regarding workstation/care provider access.

The iPad does not have a rich enough security system that implements these features, requiring custom software which would only add to a hospitals already large investment in IT, and render their current systems useless.

[Ferra]

500 bucks is not cheap, especially for the features (or lack of).

It's easy to pick out the Apple fanboys when you look through the comments on Gizmodo and other sites. They're the only ones defending this piece of junk.
Well considering the iphone cost $600+, this really isn't a bad price, especially considering apple's stuffs are alway overpriced.

[taylor192]

A Closed App Ecosystem
The iPad only runs apps from the App Store. The same App Store that is notorious for banning apps for no real reason, such as Google Voice. Sure, netbooks might not have touchscreens, but you can install whatever software you'd like on them. Want to run a different browser on your iPad? Too bad!"People have blasted Microsoft for the software development monopoly they have, yet are willing to turn a blind eye to Apple's closed door policies. :confused: :rolleyes:

Fucking sheeple.

[taylor192]

Well considering the iphone cost $600+, this really isn't a bad price, especially considering apple's stuffs are alway overpriced.

Repeated over pricing isn't a bad thing? Man have you been brainwashed stupid.

$200 premium for 48 GB of extra flash is a money grab. Flash memory is cheap, especially at the manufacturing stage.

[Ferra]

Repeated over pricing isn't a bad thing? Man have you been brainwashed stupid.

$200 premium for 48 GB of extra flash is a money grab. Flash memory is cheap, especially at the manufacturing stage.
Not sure what you mean by repeated over pricing

but as much as I think the iphone is overpriced, it has sold IMMENSELY WELL, which means they were able to deliver its value for the majority of the customers. So I don't see anything wrong with comparing the pricing between this and the iphone.

And welcome to the real world! Just because it is cheap to manufactured doesn't mean they have to charge you cheap. Business charge whatever they can get out of the customers. Otherwise, we'd be all buying window for $5 instead of $200, and car's upgrade like audio package and premium package would cost $100 instead of $2000.

[taylor192]

Not sure what you mean by repeated over pricing

but as much as I think the iphone is overpriced, it has sold IMMENSELY WELL, which means they were able to deliver its value for the majority of the customers. So I don't see anything wrong with comparing the pricing between this and the iphone.
Apple products have always been overpriced. Its been accepted for iPods since relatively they are cheap, and subsidized by providers for iPhones, yet hasn't worked for Macs that are overpriced laptops and don't sell well (~5% market share).

The iPad is competing with laptops, not phones. Stop comparing it to iPhone pricing. Apple's success record is dismal in the PC/laptop world, and I don't predict the iPad will change that.

And welcome to the real world! Just because it is cheap to manufactured doesn't mean they have to charge you cheap. Business charge whatever they can get out of the customers. Otherwise, we'd be all buying window for $5 instead of $200, and car's upgrade like audio package and premium package would cost $100 instead of $2000.
I use a laptop in the real world, and SD cards are cheap to buy and use.

Business will charge whatever they can get, and time will tell if people are willing to pay $700 for another toy that does everything they can currently do.

[SuperSlowSS]

I don't carry paper notebooks around. Why? Cause they don't fit in my pocket.

A book is different. I will carry that in my hand, throw it on the car seat, or leave it on a table at a coffee shop. Why? Cause it costs $30, not $700. If it goes missing, get dropped, gets spilled on, ... I'm not worried.


My laptop is already in my bag, why do I need another $700 toy to carry around?


if you want extreme portability, then yes iphone. I don't know why you keep saying $700. It is $499 to start. I would get that model. And use it like a notebook, book. Throw it in car seat, carry it in my hand. And try my best not to drop it. haha

I would use it with my laptop. Basically having an extra display. Maybe load some api doc while coding? Instead of having to juggle multiple windows.



iPhone sales have cut into iPod sales.


what does that have to do with ipad? Besides, apple had almost 7 year run with ipod before iphone came out.



This is a niche product, and at $700 isn't not cheap. 16GB isn't enough to hold videos, which is supposed to be a selling point of this. Its a simple portable multimedia centre - without enough space. So people will be buying the $600 and $700 models.

Lets not even get into the $30-70 add-ons and the $130 3G option with a $30 data plan. Now I need a data plan for my phone, and my iPad.


Watching video on 10" screen..thats just a gimmick to me. And at that res, you don't need super high def stuff. I personally don't plan to use it for much media stuff. So $499 one works for me and alot of people.



I would also get one for my GF's 8yo, yet she would quickly be very disappointed in it like she is with her DSi. She wanted a DSi to surf the internet, to play online games and watch videos. Unfortunately the DSi does not support flash, so its useless for 90% of her surfing. She nearly cried when I informed her of this, since she had debated between the DSi and a iTouch just so she could sit on the couch and surf.

I reassured her that the iTouch doesn't have flash either, she'd only get access to YouTube yet lose all her cool DS games. She felt better.

Any device that claims to be the ultimate internet device and lacks flash is garbage IMHO.


It isn't perfect, thats why it is v1.0. And like I said.. good for people that are not tech savvy. I guess you missed my point when I said for grandparents.

[Iceman_2K]

Viewing medical reports / reference images over the web has already been tried on the iphone, and other mobile devices. There's no reason for it not to be just as doable on the ipad.

This isn't an arguement about changing an entire infrastructure from MS to Apple just to support one device. This is about augmenting a new device into your existing infrastructure, which happens all the time.

No one says you have to build an Iphone OS app just to look at patient records or view patient images. Web access to a webserver can give you that, and all you need is IE or Safari (the company i work for does this along with other software applications for patient information). This can be easily deployed and doesn't need any additional software, since the built in browser can be used and security is handled by the Webserver itself. For a doctor to be able to see a report, and not have to be at a workstation terminal, is a big deal, especially for emergency situations. Current PC based tablets are much larger than the physical dimensions of the IPAD, and are bulky to carry around. The closest Windows powered device i can think if that is just as good as this in terms of carrying it around is the Lenovo device released at CES, where the monitor portion can be removed and used as an individual device.

In terms of wifi network security, the Iphone OS utilizes WEP, WPA, WPA2, WPA Enterprise and WPA2 Enterprise currently. Most hospitals I've worked at are using one of the two latter ones on that list. Unless there's something newer or better that is being used out there, I would imagine that most companies, healthcare or not, are using WPA2 Enterprise.

This thing is not going to replace the laptop or desktop - given it's specs, that's a given. What it does do is give you an alternative when a laptop is not a good option, and a full blown desktop is too much. If someone could load this thing up with android or Windows 7, all the better. But the idea I see behind this is not really so much another Apple device, but another gadget that you can come up with different solutions with. The OS can change at will, so things like multitask and flash are easy implementations. Whether or not its implemented is something that Apple would have to decide. There are tonnes of things that we would have like implemented in Windows 7 that didn't - this isn't any different.

I'm a software developer in the health care industry.

The iPad will have no place in the healthcare industry. There are too many software development barriers, and few financial incentives.

Hospitals invest $Ms in software/hardware, and are slow to change cause of it. All hospitals I have worked with are heavily invested in Microsoft cause it solves their security concerns regarding workstation/care provider access.

The iPad does not have a rich enough security system that implements these features, requiring custom software which would only add to a hospitals already large investment in IT, and render their current systems useless.

[taylor192]

if you want extreme portability, then yes iphone. I don't know why you keep saying $700. It is $499 to start. I would get that model. And use it like a notebook, book. Throw it in car seat, carry it in my hand. And try my best not to drop it. haha
Cause this is supposed to replace a laptop, and 16 GB is paltry for videos.

I would use it with my laptop. Basically having an extra display. Maybe load some api doc while coding? Instead of having to juggle multiple windows.
and the "maybes" already come out. Even you cannot think of a good reason to drag a $500 toy around.

what does that have to do with ipad? Besides, apple had almost 7 year run with ipod before iphone came out.
See your original response dumbass.

Watching video on 10" screen..thats just a gimmick to me. And at that res, you don't need super high def stuff. I personally don't plan to use it for much media stuff. So $499 one works for me and alot of people.
OK, so lets get this straight:
- You're not using it for video.
- You're not using it for music, since you'll be carrying an iPhone/iPod.
- You're not using it as a cell phone, since you'll be carrying one.
- You're putting it in the same bag as your laptop.

So what are you using it for? :rolleyes:

It isn't perfect, thats why it is v1.0.
That's the worst argument of all. Lets release a POS, yet poeple will buy it, so we won't need to make it better till v2.0. :thumbsup:

It isn't perfect, thats why it is v1.0. And like I said.. good for people that are not tech savvy. I guess you missed my point when I said for grandparents.
I guess you missed my point about kids.

Grandparents is a pretty niche and limited market.

[taylor192]

Viewing medical reports / reference images over the web has already been tried on the iphone, and other mobile devices. There's no reason for it not to be just as doable on the ipad.

This isn't an arguement about changing an entire infrastructure from MS to Apple just to support one device. This is about augmenting a new device into your existing infrastructure, which happens all the time.
Find me a hospital willing to invest in hardware that only supports reading reports from the web.

My company's software has web features too, I agree they can be made available on any platform. Yet is a hospital going to invest in a narrow single purpose technology? Past experience says 'no', yet you're free to prove me wrong. Good luck.

[SuperSlowSS]

why so angry? :)
I can see that you can't comprehend what I wrote or just very closed mind person. But for the last time.. it isn't a replacement for your laptop.



Cause this is supposed to replace a laptop, and 16 GB is paltry for videos.


and the "maybes" already come out. Even you cannot think of a good reason to drag a $500 toy around.


See your original response dumbass.


OK, so lets get this straight:
- You're not using it for video.
- You're not using it for music, since you'll be carrying an iPhone/iPod.
- You're not using it as a cell phone, since you'll be carrying one.
- You're putting it in the same bag as your laptop.

So what are you using it for? :rolleyes:


That's the worst argument of all. Lets release a POS, yet poeple will buy it, so we won't need to make it better till v2.0. :thumbsup:


I guess you missed my point about kids.

Grandparents is a pretty niche and limited market.

[Preemo]

If it could multitask and have Flash, then it wouldn't be so bad.

But since it doesn't, I already hate it.

I had to hack my iPhone JUST so it could multitask. How sad is that?

[+Kardboard+]

Someone needs to put Android on it.

Or better yet, Windows. HAHAHAHAHAH :haha:

[taylor192]

why so angry? :)
I can see that you can't comprehend what I wrote or just very closed mind person. But for the last time.. it isn't a replacement for your laptop.

Not angry, I'm critical. You have only pointed out one good use of this product: grandparents.

I don't buy $700 toys that have no purpose. If it makes you feel better to do so, go ahead. You're a stupid fanboy that wants to waste his money, and its your money to waste. Just don't try and convince us you're not merely wasting your money on the latest and greatest toy. :thumbsup:

[Soundy]

But since it doesn't, I already hate it.

Why hate? Hating wastes energy.

It's a new product that doesn't suit your needs. So don't buy it. Big deal. Get over it, move on with your life.

Buncha fuckin' whiners.

[Soundy]

Not angry, I'm critical. You have only pointed out one good use of this product: grandparents.

I don't buy $700 toys that have no purpose. If it makes you feel better to do so, go ahead. You're a stupid fanboy that wants to waste his money, and its your money to waste. Just don't try and convince us you're not merely wasting your money on the latest and greatest toy. :thumbsup:

I assume from your avatar and sig picture, you drive a Mercedes?

Why would you pay that much extra for a car when a $14,000 Kia will get you from point A to point B just as efficiently (MORE efficiently, for that matter)?

[taylor192]

I assume from your avatar and sig picture, you drive a Mercedes?

Why would you pay that much extra for a car when a $14,000 Kia will get you from point A to point B just as efficiently (MORE efficiently, for that matter)?

Did I try to convince you my car was not a waste of money?
Did I try to convince you my car was magical and revolutionary?
Did I try to convince you my car will sell like hotcakes?
Did I try to convince you my car fills a void in the car market?

No.

Nice try though :thumbsup:

[SuperSlowSS]

Not angry, I'm critical. You have only pointed out one good use of this product: grandparents.

I don't buy $700 toys that have no purpose. If it makes you feel better to do so, go ahead. You're a stupid fanboy that wants to waste his money, and its your money to waste. Just don't try and convince us you're not merely wasting your money on the latest and greatest toy. :thumbsup:

Using grandparents as an extreme example. It can be anybody that just have very basic needs for computers. Anybody that just use netbook for basic surfing and doing some email will find this as an alternative. Since apple doesn't make any netbooks, it is perfect for them to attack that market segment.

So do you always resort to calling names when you have no good points? I will let it go, since I know you are probably pretty young.

[taylor192]

Using grandparents as an extreme example. It can be anybody that just have very basic needs for computers. Anybody that just use netbook for basic surfing and doing some email will find this as an alternative. Since apple doesn't make any netbooks, it is perfect for them to attack that market segment.
Agreed.

Yet that response is not inline with the fanboy line you've been holding. Glad you've come around. :thumbsup:
So do you always resort to calling names when you have no good points? I will let it go, since I know you are probably pretty young.
Its the opposite, I'm wise beyond my years. I'm 31yo. I read profusely about anything and everything and have an opinion on anything and everything.

I'm a know-it-all smart-ass and get frustrated with people who aren't as educated, or who are hypocritical. :D

[Preemo]

Why hate? Hating wastes energy.

It's a new product that doesn't suit your needs. So don't buy it. Big deal. Get over it, move on with your life.

Buncha fuckin' whiners.

Hate because the one chance that one great company could come in and sweep the tablet market they fuck themselves in the ass with a weak product.

You will always have whiners and haters and then you will always have Mac Zealots.

The whole idea of bashing this product before it's even out is to prove a point that a $600 useless tablet that does less than an iPhone does is more like a public service than an opinion.

What do you like about it so much that has you defending a product like you are some sort of hero battling the evils of world?

[.Renn.Sport]

I can't imagine how great this thing is when I'm using it to show off my new products to my clients with the gallery app on the tablet.

sure, I can show them using a laptop... but then my client will have to scroll around using a touch pad or zoom by pressing the magnify glass icon, or click individually on each photo using the old cumbersome windows explorer.

and using an iPhone, the screen would be simply too small

it would be great to also use this on site where a laptop would not be a very good option. it would be very useful for real estate agents where they can show the clients the floor plan or quickly show them how the place will look like with different furnishing

there are just so much possibility as a sales presentation device.... I don't see any PC based tablet PC being so intuitive and easy/quick to use for all those basic functions.

but for personal use... I don't think I need to use it at all

but for $499.... i don't think its a big of a deal. I was expecting that this will sell for a minimum of $1099. From using it from a business point of view, even if it was sold for $1500 it would still be a great device and a bargain at $499.

[taylor192]

I can't imagine how great this thing is when I'm using it to show off my new products to my clients with the gallery app on the tablet.

sure, I can show them using a laptop... but then my client will have to scroll around using a touch pad or zoom by pressing the magnify glass icon, or click individually on each photo using the old cumbersome windows explorer.

and using an iPhone, the screen would be simply too small

it would be great to also use this on site where a laptop would not be a very good option. it would be very useful for real estate agents where they can show the clients the floor plan or quickly show them how the place will look like with different furnishing

there are just so much possibility as a sales presentation device.... I don't see any PC based tablet PC being so intuitive and easy/quick to use for all those basic functions.

but for personal use... I don't think I need to use it at all

but for $499.... i don't think its a big of a deal. I was expecting that this will sell for a minimum of $1099. From using it from a business point of view, even if it was sold for $1500 it would still be a great device and a bargain at $499.
I have a 12" HP laptop that doubles as a touch-screen tablet. It cost $800 new 2 years ago and has more ram and processing speed than the iPad.

It will do exactly what you want. HP doesn't sell it anymore. Why? Cause the market is too small for such a niche device.

The market you describe is small, and Apple is not targeting niche markets.

[Soundy]

Did I try to convince you my car was not a waste of money?
Did I try to convince you my car was magical and revolutionary?
Did I try to convince you my car will sell like hotcakes?
Did I try to convince you my car fills a void in the car market?

No.

Nice try though :thumbsup:

The point is, you pay more for something that has better fit-and-finish, something that stands out, something that YOU at least consider to look/drive/feel/be better. Are people hating on you because they don't agree with your choice of transportation? Are they hating on your wheels because they think it's ugly or useless or overpriced?

[Soundy]

Hate because the one chance that one great company could come in and sweep the tablet market they fuck themselves in the ass with a weak product.

So? That's THEIR problem. Unless you're a shareholder, why should it matter to you? Especially enough to get yourself in knots over? So much energy wasted over something of absolutely no consequence to your life!

What do you like about it so much that has you defending a product like you are some sort of hero battling the evils of world?

I'm not - I'm defending sanity from the teeming irrational hating masses.

[.Renn.Sport]

I have a 12" HP laptop that doubles as a touch-screen tablet. It cost $800 new 2 years ago and has more ram and processing speed than the iPad.

It will do exactly what you want. HP doesn't sell it anymore. Why? Cause the market is too small for such a niche device.

The market you describe is small, and Apple is not targeting niche markets.

does your 12" HP have multi-touch? no

if the corporate market is small... then Microsoft should be out of business already
:rolleyes:

[taylor192]

does your 12" HP have multi-touch? no

if the corporate market is small... then Microsoft should be out of business already
:rolleyes:
Do you need multi-touch to show pictures to clients? No.

The corporate market is not small, the market you described within the corporate market is small. In my industry, when I want to showcase features to clients I use a 50" plasma TV and a canned demonstration. I have no use for an iPad.

Please stop the niche market arguments, the fanboys are getting pathetic.

[taylor192]

The point is, you pay more for something that has better fit-and-finish, something that stands out, something that YOU at least consider to look/drive/feel/be better. Are people hating on you because they don't agree with your choice of transportation? Are they hating on your wheels because they think it's ugly or useless or overpriced?

That's not the point at all. You're such an obsessed fanboy you've lost the point.

The point is the iPad doesn't do anything better than what is currently out there. Its a toy for gadget geeks, like my car is a toy for car enthusiasts.

Stop stretching, I'm not following you off-topic.

[DuhDang]

WOW a bunch of apple fanboys on revscene LOL
GJ Taylor192

[Soundy]

That's not the point at all. You're such an obsessed fanboy you've lost the point.

I'm no fanboy - it doesn't do anything I need, so I'm not going to buy one. Doesn't mean I need to rail on at length about why it sucks. I'm just here to call out the irrational dweebs who think they need to find a reason to be mad, rather than just saying, "it doesn't do anything I need, so I'm not going to buy one."

The point is the iPad doesn't do anything better than what is currently out there. Its a toy for gadget geeks, like my car is a toy for car enthusiasts.

Right, so why are you getting so worked up about it? You just made my point: your car is an overpriced toy for a car geek, but am I getting on your case about that? Am I getting on Mercedes' case for making it in the first place? No.

Stop stretching, I'm not following you off-topic.

It's not off-topic, it's an analogy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy). But way to miss the point, props for flying right over the edge :thumbsup:

[.Renn.Sport]

Do you need multi-touch to show pictures to clients? No.

The corporate market is not small, the market you described within the corporate market is small. In my industry, when I want to showcase features to clients I use a 50" plasma TV and a canned demonstration. I have no use for an iPad.

Please stop the niche market arguments, the fanboys are getting pathetic.

with multi-touch, I don't have to have my sales explain to my clients where the fuck to point to switch to another picture. I'm sure my clients are smart enough to know swiping the screen will be able to change picture after seeing my sales person do it once. and at the same time, my client could do a quote using my web app and email it to my client using the same unit with ease.

like my sales have access to my conference room at any given time or have my clients visit my office every time
:rolleyes:

the same people like u also like to complain how the iphone lacks features and a lot of customization, but the thing is that it just works and its a lot easier to use, and thats all it matters.

I can have my sales person carrying something like this POS with the HSDPA dongle sticking out
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/attachments/month_1001/100128144784b659bf9f25998f.jpg

or just carrying an iPad
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/01-27-10ipaded.jpg

there is a difference in getting the work done, and getting the work done in style.

[Manic!]

other companies including Fujitsu still make tablets. Fujitsu has been making them since the 90's

Our Export A rep has one and loves it. she also has a battery powered thermal printer to go with it.

Windows 7, Multi touch, web cam, DVD+/-RW, 4 gigs ram, 320 GB HD, and so on for $1160
http://www.directdial.com/A41K21E90B4A3001.html

[+Kardboard+]

wahahahah19 Rejected Names for the Apple iPad



iPod OB
The Starbucks Attention-Getter
iTouch Maximum
iMac Minimum
Apple Newton v2.0
iPlacemat
The Procrastinatrix
Whammo Novelty Throwing Square
Zune Blaster 3000
Matthew McConaughey's Virtual Bongos
Crotch TV
One More Thing For Your Kids To Endlessly Bug You About Then Break
$800 Coke Mirror
iTheKindleCanSuckItBitch
The Netbook of Sauron
Space Screen of the Future Future FUTURE!!!
iFeminine Napkin
Finally, Another Dealie To Play Solitaire On!
Steve Jobs' Lapsturbator

Read more: http://techland.com/2010/01/28/19-rejected-names-for-the-apple-ipad/#ixzz0dy3z5ZlR

[Ronin]

500 bucks is not cheap, especially for the features (or lack of).

It's easy to pick out the Apple fanboys when you look through the comments on Gizmodo and other sites. They're the only ones defending this piece of junk.

$500 is cheap. Sorry, but I make $14 an hour and I don't need to eat at Church's chicken.

All kidding aside, $500 is cheap. I'll probably buy one of these just to play around with but I am rather disappointed by the feature set. If they just lopped off the keyboard off a MacBook Air, I would've bought one already for $1500.

[ericthehalfbee]

One surefire way to know if you've got a hit on your hands is how many people start to complain about it.

Judging by the tremendous amount of hate already out for the iPad (funny since not one of them has actually used one yet) I'm sure this thing is going to be a huge success.

[Manic!]

One surefire way to know if you've got a hit on your hands is how many people start to complain about it.

Judging by the tremendous amount of hate already out for the iPad (funny since not one of them has actually used one yet) I'm sure this thing is going to be a huge success.

If you have used a Iphone or a Ipod touch you have used one. The only thing this has ia a bigger screen.

[+Kardboard+]

http://comixed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ipadtractor.jpg

[StylinRed]

Take it from someone who works with the health care industry very intimately (US Health care that is) - they don't. They want everything to occur with one click, and the easier the better. They don't like complexity and don't care for the ability to do more than one thing at one time - especially when liability is on the line if a mistake is made. I've seen doctors ask for workstations that cost upwards to $30000 and all they do on it is put their coffee cup on the top of it and browse the Wall Street Journal. A machine, whether it be a laptop, desktop or whatever, is just a tool. The simpler and easier it is for them to pick up and use, the better.

Most of the remarks so far have been comparing it to the netbook and laptop replacements, or even desktop replacements. That's a pretty limited and short sighted view as to what this device can do and its potential applications.


Ive got a tonnnnnne of doctors in my family (im basically the odd one out) and that's where i hear it from none of them like it except for that 1 guy

perhaps those working in the hospital may enjoy it, but im speaking in terms of your GP

[Soundy]

One surefire way to know if you've got a hit on your hands is how many people start to complain about it.

Judging by the tremendous amount of hate already out for the iPad (funny since not one of them has actually used one yet) I'm sure this thing is going to be a huge success.

QFT.

People are so focused on what it CAN'T do, nobody's thinking about what it CAN do. Worse, they're focused on what they THINK it can't do, based on... what? A press conference? Or they're just pissed off because it doesn't meet their expectations... expectations based on rumor and speculation in the first place.

Yeah, okay, it doesn't have a ton of storage... storage adds bulk, weight, and power consumption. There's this new idea going around, "cloud computing"... doesn't need any local storage, everything is run over the 'net. Can't load Office on the iPad? Big deal: go Google Docs. Need something more powerful? Take a look at Ulteo: your entire desktop and all your apps are "online". Local storage? Who needs it?

Niche market? Maybe. MP3 players were once a niche market, too. The iPod played a significant role in blowing that market wide-open. Smartphones were a niche market before the Blackberry came along. Nobody calls these things "niche" anymore.

No, the iPad isn't a netbook... it's something different, so there's no point in comparing it.

:facepalm:

[Presto]

I think the main thing that annoys people is the price of this thing. For what it does(n't), it's not worth the price of entry. Slash the price in half, and maybe it's worth a look at.

[Soundy]

Wow. Fuck dude, imagine if it was actually starting at $1000, like everyone thought it would be???

There's no pleasing some people. The thing could make your coffee for you and people would complain that it should stir the sugar in for the price.

[Iceman_2K]

Hospitals invest in single purpose hardware all the time - especially in the United States, where the PACS software we create is used. An example, EMC storage space dedicated only to store Radiology images. No other information is stored on there, and its only purpose is to store Radiology images. There's a narrow single purpose technology, which could be used to store other information, but is invested only to store radiology images. And its done at many hospitals that run PACS systems. And this isn't exactly new. Another single purpose technology that hospitals use: workstation terminals in OR/ER operating rooms that only run our web software to view radiology images of the patient and look at the radiologists report of the images. No other software, no other applications, just our web stuff, which is accessed through IE 7.
You asked me to prove you wrong - I have. Every hospital in the united states that i have upgraded or help installed a radiology PACS system, has in one way or another invested in some kind of single narrow purpose technology somewhere in its facility. Its easy to see where in their hospital workflow a device like the IPAD can fit in.

Here's another single, narrow purpose technology used at a hospital: Cardiology Monitoring Systems. The monitor the heart rate of the patient and alert when it falls below a preset level - and some of them, thats all they do. Hospitals can invest in a great system, and use maybe 4 out of 20 available options.

Hospitals that I've seen this sort of single, narrow purpose technology? HCA Florida, UHS Binghampton to name two. HCA Florida is a collection of 5 larger hospitals. They all use a single Radiology PACS system, and what does that system do? Store and show Radiology Images and store and show patient reports. Thats it. It doesn't do billing, it doesn't do dictation.


Find me a hospital willing to invest in hardware that only supports reading reports from the web.

My company's software has web features too, I agree they can be made available on any platform. Yet is a hospital going to invest in a narrow single purpose technology? Past experience says 'no', yet you're free to prove me wrong. Good luck.

[.Renn.Sport]

I think the main thing that annoys people is the price of this thing. For what it does(n't), it's not worth the price of entry. Slash the price in half, and maybe it's worth a look at.

price? its only 500 bux.... so wtf did u expect? free???

[Senna4ever]

I just think people's expectations were just too high, much like the Star Wars prequels. I may consider buying one, but I need to see the colour gamut of the screen first to decide if it's good enough for client presentations. It also seems a bit fragile to me.

...and why isn't anyone complaining about Alienware's M11x netbook or the Dell Adamo? Those things are even more overpriced IMHO.

[Iceman_2K]

I was expecting something a little thicker. Do wish that the Bezel was thinner.
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[.Renn.Sport]

...and why isn't anyone complaining about Alienware's M11x netbook or the Dell Adamo? Those things are even more overpriced IMHO.

those are in a much smaller niche market
M11X might be high performance, but those looking for a netbook will not wanna buy a 4.5lbs netbook. those wanting performance will think its too slow
only left with those really hardcore gamer, which is hardly anyone

adamo on the other hand was way too expensive, but now that the price is dropped to below a grand, it should be more competitive. Dell's marketing is just no where near aggressive as Sony or Apple in terms of these products.

[Iceman_2K]

When the Adamo came out, some reviewers were complaining that the package didn't justify the price, which was true considering what you were getting. They should lower the price even more.

[.Renn.Sport]

Adamo was $2399 for a CULV notebook
a Macbook Pro was 1199 for the unibody 13" even the Air was only 1799 and its thinner

[skyxx]

YouTube- Mad Tv - IPad

[Psykopathik]

im gonna buy one and hang out at coffee shops while holding it up to my ear. i'll tell people its the iPhone G4 XL :p

[goo3]

I go for the best valued product for my needs, and I'm not brand loyal. Here's what I learned when I was shopping for my laptop.

When ppl call someone who doesn't own any Apple products a fanboy, they're obviously haters: the opposite of a fanboy. Haters know as much as fanboys. They're as loyal (to the other side) as fanboys. Advice from them is useless.

[Meowjin]

any photographer who is using this instead of an actual printed portfolio, is trying to get clients based on trend not their work.

[Senna4ever]

any photographer who is using this instead of an actual printed portfolio, is trying to get clients based on trend not their work.

That's not true. I've seen a trend towards electronic portfolios lately. Besides, almost all photographers have websites with their work on them, no? Sales of physical portfolios have dropped this past year. My personal preference is a (well) printed portfolio though, as it looks more professional. Unfortunately, the younger photographers who have grown up in the digital age don't really appreciate or care. I've already been asked by professional clients when we'll be getting stock of the iPad.

Having said that, sales of our professional wedding albums and studio samples that wedding photographers keep as portfolios in their studio have gone up.

[fishing666]

the ipad just might be a cool toy
500$ isnt much for a cool toy

there's just too much work in opening a laptop, turning on the operating system or even resuming windows from standby.

What would make the ipad super good is
*sturdy shell with no spermicidal heat waves
*no awkward output/input slots
*fast boot up from standby like resuming the ipod touch
*fast charging
*essentially just a bigger, faster, better ipod

some things id like to do with the ipad that makes netbooks/laptops look like crap
*wake up and turn on my ipad. check my email.news.weather.revscene while on my bed in 2minutes
*like a clipboard of electronic notes. that i can edit quickly by electronic keyboard+touch then slip it away like a clipboard
*i just wanna be lazier if that's possible while i still get my computer fix

[taylor192]

with multi-touch, I don't have to have my sales explain to my clients where the fuck to point to switch to another picture. I'm sure my clients are smart enough to know swiping the screen will be able to change picture after seeing my sales person do it once. and at the same time, my client could do a quote using my web app and email it to my client using the same unit with ease.
You don't need multi-touch to swipe. :rolleyes:

like my sales have access to my conference room at any given time or have my clients visit my office every time
:rolleyes:
You didn't address my comment: this is still a niche market, you're pretending like a large portion of the corporate market will switch.

[taylor192]

I'm no fanboy - it doesn't do anything I need, so I'm not going to buy one. Doesn't mean I need to rail on at length about why it sucks. I'm just here to call out the irrational dweebs who think they need to find a reason to be mad, rather than just saying, "it doesn't do anything I need, so I'm not going to buy one."
So you're just here to argue. Good to know to ignore your points.

Right, so why are you getting so worked up about it? You just made my point: your car is an overpriced toy for a car geek, but am I getting on your case about that? Am I getting on Mercedes' case for making it in the first place? No.
Again you missed the point.

Mercedes doesn't market the C230 coupe as "magical and revolutionary". Any manufacturer that makes that claim is open to major criticism - which you are defending.

So the question is, why after admitting its a niche product, are you defending the criticisms we have against Apple's marketing of this?

Oh ya, you just want to argue. Please don't, you're making yourself look bad by continuing to stretch. This product isn't magical or revolutionary, and is open to criticism. If you don't like that, GTFO.

[taylor192]

$500 is cheap. Sorry, but I make $14 an hour and I don't need to eat at Church's chicken.

All kidding aside, $500 is cheap. I'll probably buy one of these just to play around with but I am rather disappointed by the feature set. If they just lopped off the keyboard off a MacBook Air, I would've bought one already for $1500.
If you think $500 is cheap while making $14/hr, you need a lesson in finances. You make $2300/mn, $1900 after taxes, and you'll spend 1/4 of your income on a gadget. :rolleyes:

[Soundy]

Yes, because wanking and whinging about a device you have no intention of buying anyway is SO much more mature.

[too_slow]

im gonna buy one and hang out at coffee shops while holding it up to my ear. i'll tell people its the iPhone G4 XL :p

LOL, don't forget to get the XL white headphones to go with it!!!

On a side note, whats the CDN MSRP on one?

[bcedhk]

If you think $500 is cheap while making $14/hr, you need a lesson in finances. You make $2300/mn, $1900 after taxes, and you'll spend 1/4 of your income on a gadget. :rolleyes:

dont think he actually makes 14 dollars an hour..

only guy privlage to earn that wage is this guy :IDL :IDL :IDL

[ericthehalfbee]

If you think $500 is cheap while making $14/hr, you need a lesson in finances. You make $2300/mn, $1900 after taxes, and you'll spend 1/4 of your income on a gadget. :rolleyes:
Sarcasm > you.

[underscore]

what a useless piece of shit. Anyone who buys one, deserves to be openly mocked.

Whoever was talking about buying one for grandparents, well fuck, my grandparents have enough difficulties dealing with a regular keyboard sometimes. What kind of asshole would get a touchscreen for older people?

[SuperSlowSS]

what a useless piece of shit. Anyone who buys one, deserves to be openly mocked.

Whoever was talking about buying one for grandparents, well fuck, my grandparents have enough difficulties dealing with a regular keyboard sometimes. What kind of asshole would get a touchscreen for older people?

lol

[ddr]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/01/500x_slate_showdown_chart_final.jpg

[JesseBlue]

haha...i work for a company in the life sciences...we manufacture fast low light level cameras...yup...its fairly expensive and basically this can be used for the purpose of sharing the findings...niche or not...there are a lot of possible places where this can be a very very VERY big thing..but there are a lot of places where this is only so-so...

[BoneThug]

http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet

something like this would have actually made sense

[tgill]

ipad is a giant itouch.

my jailbroken iphone has more features including background tasks and camera.
literally the most useless device ever conceived.

I guess my iPhone is now a iPad Nano...

[underscore]

I guess my iPhone is now a iPad Nano...

for those light days ;)

[Ronin]

If you think $500 is cheap while making $14/hr, you need a lesson in finances. You make $2300/mn, $1900 after taxes, and you'll spend 1/4 of your income on a gadget. :rolleyes:

...that part is a joke. I'm going to let the rest of REVscene school you on the significance of $14/hour.

I'll say again: $500 is cheap.

[Manic!]

I'll say again: $500 is cheap.

Compared to what???

I can buy a basic laptop for around 300. I can buy a slate convertible type laptop for under $1200.

Comparing it to the HP slate coming out this is way overpriced.

[DuhDang]

http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet

something like this would have actually made sense

I believe this is what the Apple Fanboys are thinking what the maxIPAD is like.
That device is the SHIT

[DuhDang]

...that part is a joke. I'm going to let the rest of REVscene school you on the significance of $14/hour.

I'll say again: $500 is cheap.

$500 is not cheap.

[taylor192]

...that part is a joke. I'm going to let the rest of REVscene school you on the significance of $14/hour.

I'll say again: $500 is cheap.

They can school me on some stupid inside joke.

$500 is not cheap. If it is, you're probably living with mommy and daddy and will learn one day that $500 isn't cheap.

[.Renn.Sport]

$500 is cheap

u are just fucking poor to think $500 is a lot of money... I spend more then that one night in a club!

[.Renn.Sport]

Yes, because wanking and whinging about a device you have no intention of buying anyway is SO much more mature.

he can't afford it, thats why he's hating

thats why he is driving some 10 yr old c-class thinking its better then a cheaper Civic (brand name vs pratical, cheap)
:haha:

[Kim Jong Un]

$500 isn't cheap hyde, stfu and go sit in the corner

[Ronin]

$500 is plenty cheap. Most of us have iPhones or other mobile phones that are around that price. Go take a look in the mobile phone thread and check out all the $1000 phones. Head over to the photography forums where $500 will buy you a rather standard camera lens. Maybe to the food forums where you'll see meals from Lumiere or Bishops? Go take a look at the fashion forums where guys spend $500 on jeans. OH RIGHT, we're on a CAR FORUM where people spend thousands modifying their cars. I thought my wheels were expensive when I paid $2000 for them but apparently that's on the thrifty side.

You're on the wrong forum if you think people here think spending $500 on a toy is a lot of money. Go check out VAC and have that heart attack when you see all the folks that drop ten grand on a turbo or something (I'm not much of a car guy myself...).

A regular netbook is slightly cheaper but to be honest, I can't stand using those things. Slow and god, the keyboards are tiny. The same sort of user interface problems may arise on the iPad but hey, NONE OF US HAVE USED IT YET.

[SkinnyPupp]

http://theflashblog.com/images/ipud.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

I love this (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/01/29/apples_ipad_promo_materials_misleading_on_adobe_fl ash_support.html) too. Apple's crappy photoshopped promo material shows it loading all these websites (awesome!) but they wouldn't work in reality because they use Flash :lol

[Senna4ever]

I love this (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/01/29/apples_ipad_promo_materials_misleading_on_adobe_fl ash_support.html) too. Apple's crappy photoshopped promo material shows it loading all these websites (awesome!) but they wouldn't work in reality because they use Flash :lol
Boo~! What a bunch of fools...class action lawsuit for false advertising coming right up!

[Zyzz]

This thing doesn't give functions nor status. The end.

[liu13]

any way i can play online pkr on this thing?

[SkinnyPupp]

any way i can play online pkr on this thing?
No, that would require flash. Someone would have to make an app and sell it on iTunes (oh wait a minute!)

[Ronin]

OH NOES! I can't play Spongebob Squarepants!

Seriously, other than YouTube, what do you need Flash for?

[Manic!]

OH NOES! I can't play Spongebob Squarepants!

Seriously, other than YouTube, what do you need Flash for?

http://www.flashmagazine.com/News/detail/7_of_10_biggest_sites_use_flash/
7 of 10 biggest sites use Flash

If you was ever in doubt that Flash has become a standard on the web, the latest survey made for Macromedia by Media Metrix should make you certain.
The survey shows that out of the 10 biggest web sites in the US, 7 use Flash content on their web sites.

The 3 sites on the top 10 list that did not use Flash content was Amazon, eBay and X10.com. (We, of course, think that every single one of these sites would have benefited from using Flash content on their pages).


For more numbers, and the TOP 50 list of sites using (or not using) Flash content, check out the web page at Macromedia.com

http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/

http://www.flashmagazine.com/news/detail/how_many_sites_use_flash/

We all know that Flash is installed on about 98% of all browsers, but how many web pages use Flash? Surveying more than 3.5 million pages, the Opera (browser) developer center found that somewhere between 30% and 40% of all pages tested contained Flash files. The survey also features fun statistics such as AJAX usage, the least popular HTML and CSS tags and the number of pages that validate.



Myspace and Facebook also use flash
Uninstall flash on your computer and see how it goes.

[Iceman_2K]

I use facebook fine on my iPhone, and that includes videos that people post. Since my iPhone has no flash, it's worked pretty well so far.
$500 is cheap for a gadget. Camera lenses, coil overs, body kits, and more cost more than that. My watch costs more than that, and all it does is tell time - in style of course.
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[SkinnyPupp]

OH NOES! I can't play Spongebob Squarepants!

Seriously, other than YouTube, what do you need Flash for?
Are you for real?

Try uninstalling Flash from your browser for a week, and have it at. You'll replicate the "ultimate browsing experience"

[Senna4ever]

I'm gonna have to go with SkinnyPupp on this one.

[Manic!]

I use facebook fine on my iPhone, and that includes videos that people post. Since my iPhone has no flash, it's worked pretty well so far.
$500 is cheap for a gadget. Camera lenses, coil overs, body kits, and more cost more than that. My watch costs more than that, and all it does is tell time - in style of course.
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My laptop I use to DJ parties with cost $350. My new Mixer was $199 . Hell My Nikon DSLR cost $549 with lens . For $500 I expect something that does more than surf the net and run apps made for a phone.

[Hehe]

Seriously ppl. You simply cannot have a decent browsing experience without flash support.

I could tolerate it on the iPhone as it's a cell phone and not meant to have a full web-browsing experience (many sites today have their own mobile design when you connect via mobile devices anyhow like RS)

But on a full size internet browsing device and not having flash?!?! you gotta be kidding me. Specially when you are charging 500 bucks +... the iPad was and still is a disappointing product from what we know so far.

Not only that, what innovation did Apple put into iPad?!?! Multi-touch, iphone did it, 3G browsing+wifi, iphone did it, gaming, iphone did it too. Only thing new for the iPad was the intro of iBooks... which was just another store front for Apple.

On the gaming/app side, I believe most devs would simply go for the lowest common denominator, in this case, the iphone. Hence, most of the games that will be coming out won't be optimized for iPad no matter how much more powerful iPad is. They simply won't release a game on a device that might have like half mil potential users (with some luck) when they could have designed a game to reach out tens of millions iphone users out there.

iPad is going to be the next Apple TV if Apple keeps it the way it is now.

[Ronin]

Are you for real?

Try uninstalling Flash from your browser for a week, and have it at. You'll replicate the "ultimate browsing experience"

Maybe I just don't realize it. My whole idea of Flash is all those obnoxious websites that make you watch an annoying intro with overly loud music.

[Senna4ever]

iPad is going to be the next Apple TV if Apple keeps it the way it is now.

Nah, Apple Lisa might be the better analogy...

I will reserve my final judgement until I actually see and use one though. No use praising or damning something you've never used.

[SkinnyPupp]

Maybe I just don't realize it. My whole idea of Flash is all those obnoxious websites that make you watch an annoying intro with overly loud music.
In 2003, maybe. Right now, Flash is ubiquitous. Google and Apple are leading a rally against it, wanting to replace it with HTML5 and Javascript. However, implementations of HTML5 in browsers is sketchy at best.

The biggest complaint people have about Flash is that designers use it too poorly, and end up with bloated sites. But that's not the fault of Flash, it's the fault of the designers. There is plenty of really horrible Javascript out there as well.

Whether HTML5 is better than Flash or Silverlight is another issue. The point is, the vast (and as you saw above, it really is vast) majority of sites use Flash. To leave it out in a product is bad enough, but one that is supposed to specialize in web browsing is just beyond ridiculous.

[SkinnyPupp]

I made this chart to put things into perspective:

http://carlrules.com/images/ipad-chart.png

[Ronin]

In 2003, maybe. Right now, Flash is ubiquitous. Google and Apple are leading a rally against it, wanting to replace it with HTML5 and Javascript. However, implementations of HTML5 in browsers is sketchy at best.

The biggest complaint people have about Flash is that designers use it too poorly, and end up with bloated sites. But that's not the fault of Flash, it's the fault of the designers. There is plenty of really horrible Javascript out there as well.

Whether HTML5 is better than Flash or Silverlight is another issue. The point is, the vast (and as you saw above, it really is vast) majority of sites use Flash. To leave it out in a product is bad enough, but one that is supposed to specialize in web browsing is just beyond ridiculous.

I don't know about you but my main complaint about Flash sites is that they're resource hogs. The CPU usage gets significantly higher than usual. Anytime I come across an obnoxious Flash site, I see that shit spike.

[SkinnyPupp]

Not all sites use Flash obnoxiously. That's probably why you don't notice that so many of the sites you visit each day use it.

If you use a Desktop Twitter client, chances are it's Flash based.

I agree that it is very resource heavy. But that's no excuse not to support it in a web browsing tablet. The iPad (and even iPhone) could technically support Flash with no problems at all. They just chose not to. It's not as bad when you are using a mobile browser, but to make a web browsing device and not include Flash? There really is no excuse for it (although I have seen Apple fanboys try. And fail.)

[DuhDang]

One word...

PORN

[.Renn.Sport]

Not all sites use Flash obnoxiously. That's probably why you don't notice that so many of the sites you visit each day use it.

If you use a Desktop Twitter client, chances are it's Flash based.

I agree that it is very resource heavy. But that's no excuse not to support it in a web browsing tablet. The iPad (and even iPhone) could technically support Flash with no problems at all. They just chose not to. It's not as bad when you are using a mobile browser, but to make a web browsing device and not include Flash? There really is no excuse for it (although I have seen Apple fanboys try. And fail.)

it was never a technical reason to not include flash. its just a business reason. ppl are still going to buy it flash or not.

[SkinnyPupp]

it was never a technical reason to not include flash. its just a business reason. ppl are still going to buy it flash or not.
And that makes them idiots. That is point being made here.

[SkinnyPupp]

http://cache0.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/iPad-vs-Rock.jpg

[Ronin]

I honestly don't know why Apple is so against putting USB and SD card ports on the device. I mean, having all those adapters and shit just spoil the look in general.

Am I the only one that couldn't care less about a camera? I don't even think having one on a phone is a real feature. Handy sometimes for sending out picture of shit for Twitter but otherwise? Get a real fucking camera...

[SkinnyPupp]

I think it comes down to a few things

1) they could have had a camera. In fact the OS supports it, even supports 3G video calling. But they didn't simply so they could sell it to the apple idiots again down the line

2) It's yet another thing that makes it stupid, along with everything else. Yet the apple idiots (and the niche it fills, which does exist) will slurp it up

[SkinnyPupp]

I made this chart to put things into perspective:

http://carlrules.com/images/ipad-chart.png
Updated ;)

[underscore]

$500 is cheap

u are just fucking poor to think $500 is a lot of money... I spend more then that one night in a club!

Even though I think dropping $500 in a club is stupid, at least you get something for it. dropping $500 on this thing, and well you just dropped $500 on a pile of junk. I guess you could use it as a placemat that changes images as you eat your dinner?

OH NOES! I can't play Spongebob Squarepants!

Seriously, other than YouTube, what do you need Flash for?

Like others have said, remove flash from your computer, see how well that works out for you. If you honestly don't need it, then maybe this fancy placemat really is for you.

I honestly don't know why Apple is so against putting USB and SD card ports on the device. I mean, having all those adapters and shit just spoil the look in general.

Am I the only one that couldn't care less about a camera? I don't even think having one on a phone is a real feature. Handy sometimes for sending out picture of shit for Twitter but otherwise? Get a real fucking camera...

I think the designers at Apple hate any kind of openings or seams. Setting up my brothers iphone *shudder* you have to use a pin to pop open a tiny tray for the card, and apart from that and the typical ipod connection at the bottom the thing is once seamless hunk of plastic and metal.

Which is also part of making it impossible to open and therefore repair when, like every other i* product, it outlives is designed 1-2 year lifespan. (I can't find the exact quote but that was stated by Apple at some kinda press conference, i* products are only intended to last 1-2 years).

[Soundy]

Which is also part of making it impossible to open and therefore repair when, like every other i* product, it outlives is designed 1-2 year lifespan. (I can't find the exact quote but that was stated by Apple at some kinda press conference, i* products are only intended to last 1-2 years).

And that makes it different than 95% of today's "disposable" electronics, how?

'scuse me, I'm gonna go listen to some tunes now on my five-year-old iPod Mini, which is still working just fine, thank you (especially after replacing the 6GB microdrive with a 16GB CF card :D)

[Iceman_2K]

I still don't understand the $500 arguement. Ronin has a point: this thing is cheap, and compared to the other purchases and items being bought, especially by the members of this board. Other than not buying it because it doesn't fit your needs, i don't see any arguement that really highlights why, at $500, this thing is expensive.

[ericthehalfbee]

All this arguing about Flash reminds me of arguing about Push e-mail when the iPhone came out vs the Blackberry.

Funny thing, lack of push, multitasking and a slew of other things didn't seem to affect the success of the iPhone, did it?

All you experts should go start your own tech companies and we'll expect you to come back here next year with the "next big thing" driving your new Veyron you bought with all the billions you've made. :rolleyes:


I'm a PC guy and don't like MACs. But Apple knows how to make "gadgets" that people want to buy, which means they'll sell millions of these things. And website developers will see that market. They can scoff at the lack of support for Flash and have their websites look like shit on iPads, or they can develop iPad versions of their sites that take advantage of the iPad and try to capture that market.

They already have mobile versions of sites for phones. Only an idiot would think that developers won't be scrambling to make iPad versions of their sites. Look at the NY Times reader they demoed as an example.

Smart companies will develop for the iPad to make money. Stubborn idiots will ignore the iPad because it doesn't have Flash, and lose out on a potentially huge market.

[underscore]

^ I think it's more what you're getting for that $500 when compared to what other products are/will be available in this category.

And that makes it different than 95% of today's "disposable" electronics, how?

'scuse me, I'm gonna go listen to some tunes now on my five-year-old iPod Mini, which is still working just fine, thank you (especially after replacing the 6GB microdrive with a 16GB CF card :D)

Well then you have a rare ipod, all my friends mini's are dead (even the ones that were babied). Considering I've repaired cell phones, MP3 players, PSPs, DS/DS Lites and a whole pile of other stuff, the inability to repair i* products is pretty lame. Although, a good number of the latest waves of stuff have been killed by itunes updates and firmware upgrades, so I guess being able to open it doesn't matter so much.

[ericthehalfbee]

^ I think it's more what you're getting for that $500 when compared to what other products are/will be available in this category.
How do you know what you'll be getting for your $500? The iPad itself is worth nothing without woftware, apps and things that run on it. If these appear and are useful, then the iPad will be worth far more than $500.

Arguing about something that hasn't been released, and without any knowledge of how developers are going to react to it, is pointless.

[Presto]

^^^
We may not be sure of what the iPad can offer, but we do know what can be done for $500, right now. The 'benefits' touted by iPad don't make it worth it's price tag.

[ericthehalfbee]

^^ And you've tried one and know this for sure? You've also tried all the apps on it and decided they're useless and don't do anything that other devices do?

Comparing "specs & features" is pointless. It's the software and how people take advantage of it that will determine if the iPad is junk or something very useful.

[Manic!]

I honestly don't know why Apple is so against putting USB and SD card ports on the device. I mean, having all those adapters and shit just spoil the look in general.


Money. Every time someone loses an adapter they will have to buy a new one from apple. Look at there charging cable for the Iphone it uses a custom plug to connect to the phone. They could have used a micro usb connector but that would mean people would be buying replacement cables from NCIX for $5 instead of Apple for $19.

[BoneThug]

I honestly don't know why Apple is so against putting USB and SD card ports on the device. I mean, having all those adapters and shit just spoil the look in general.

Am I the only one that couldn't care less about a camera? I don't even think having one on a phone is a real feature. Handy sometimes for sending out picture of shit for Twitter but otherwise? Get a real fucking camera...

i think its more that having a camera is industry standard. like automatic windows on a car. sure some cars dont have them, but then you dont ever call those cars 'good'.

if im buying a new car that i want to consider good, it better have at LEAST abs and some auto windows, not even considering and premium options. and if im buying a phone or a computer, it should have at LEAST a 3 or 1.3 megapixel camera respectively. regardless of whether i will ever use it or care about it.

[Manic!]

http://i.imgur.com/oRffH.jpg

[underscore]

^^ And you've tried one and know this for sure? You've also tried all the apps on it and decided they're useless and don't do anything that other devices do?

Comparing "specs & features" is pointless. It's the software and how people take advantage of it that will determine if the iPad is junk or something very useful.

The apps will be the same as the imolest/icantcallanyone, it uses the same firmeware no? And most of those apps are gimicky junk anyways. But now you can run them on a bigger screen that they weren't designed to run on (ie pixelation, no?)

[jmvdesign]

^^ And you've tried one and know this for sure? You've also tried all the apps on it and decided they're useless and don't do anything that other devices do?

Comparing "specs & features" is pointless. It's the software and how people take advantage of it that will determine if the iPad is junk or something very useful.

you can have 10,000 apps for all i care but being able not to multitask and operate multiple programs is a step back in technology.

[Senna4ever]

http://i.imgur.com/oRffH.jpg

Hehehe...
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[Manic!]

Even in 94 nuns wanted multitasking.
couldn't find the eng ver.

YouTube- IBM OS/2 Warp - czech nuns commercial

[DuhDang]

The iFART app and the iGUN app is going to be dope on this huge iphone

[Soundy]

Even in 94 nuns wanted multitasking.
couldn't find the eng ver.

YouTube- IBM OS/2 Warp - czech nuns commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmQ3f1PRnw0)

There never was an "English" version, that's why the subtitles.

But hey, my PII server running Warp 4 still multitasks circles around any Windoze machine... people have learned to live without true preemptive multitasking and a fully object-oriented desktop and M$ has made zillions selling them a half-assed OS... why should Apple be any different?

[ericthehalfbee]

The apps will be the same as the imolest/icantcallanyone, it uses the same firmeware no? And most of those apps are gimicky junk anyways. But now you can run them on a bigger screen that they weren't designed to run on (ie pixelation, no?)
Most Windows apps are junk too. There's always 100 useless poorly written programs for every really good one on any platform.

It was mentioned that many websites make poor use of Flash and are nothing more than resource hogs. Does that make Flash bad? No, it means the developers are bad. Same thing with the App Store - there are lots of crappy developers looking to make a quick buck flogging their shitty apps. There are also really good developers who create top-quality apps.

Case in point, a guy at work owns a boat (a real boat) and he bought an iPhone (bought, not signed up and got one free) and an app for navigation with all the charts for the BC coast and Vancouver Island. All for less than half the usual $1,000 and up prices of other commercially available systems. And the accuracy of the iPhone version was just as good (he tested it against a friends system).

I'd like you to tell him that the iPhone and app store is full of useless junk. :rolleyes:


And your comment about "pixellation" causes me to lose credibility in anything you say. C'mon, you might as well say that running Windows on a 30" display will make all my Windows programs and icons get "pixellated" because of the much higher resolution. Do you have any idea how software is written and how windows and other items are rendered on a display device? No, I guess not.

[ericthehalfbee]

There never was an "English" version, that's why the subtitles.

But hey, my PII server running Warp 4 still multitasks circles around any Windoze machine... people have learned to live without true preemptive multitasking and a fully object-oriented desktop and M$ has made zillions selling them a half-assed OS... why should Apple be any different?
I used to develop software for OS/2 many years ago.

Using the same logic of everyone in this thread bashing the iPad, OS/2 should have trumped Windows many years ago and become the dominant operating system in use these days.

[underscore]

Most Windows apps are junk too. There's always 100 useless poorly written programs for every really good one on any platform.

It was mentioned that many websites make poor use of Flash and are nothing more than resource hogs. Does that make Flash bad? No, it means the developers are bad. Same thing with the App Store - there are lots of crappy developers looking to make a quick buck flogging their shitty apps. There are also really good developers who create top-quality apps.

Case in point, a guy at work owns a boat (a real boat) and he bought an iPhone (bought, not signed up and got one free) and an app for navigation with all the charts for the BC coast and Vancouver Island. All for less than half the usual $1,000 and up prices of other commercially available systems. And the accuracy of the iPhone version was just as good (he tested it against a friends system).

I'd like you to tell him that the iPhone and app store is full of useless junk. :rolleyes:


And your comment about "pixellation" causes me to lose credibility in anything you say. C'mon, you might as well say that running Windows on a 30" display will make all my Windows programs and icons get "pixellated" because of the much higher resolution. Do you have any idea how software is written and how windows and other items are rendered on a display device? No, I guess not.

Yes except apple filters which apps get through, there is noone filtering the flash content that gets displayed by say FF. They let a lot of garbage through, and reject a lot of good apps. I read an article where people still have no clue what sort of system apple uses when selecting what gets allowed and what doesn't.

Ok, so your friend is one of the people that actually had an iphone be useful. Kinda sad that it isn't actually useful as a phone, but obviously someone has to have a use for those things.

No, I don't know exactly how applications are coded for an iphone, I would assume at least some are based on the current resolution to save on size and would get pixellated when the resolution gets bumped. Obviously higher end apps would account for a possible size change. ie Windows icons and programs are designed to be resized, some programs are not, if you try to increase the size of the icons either that icon stays small or it becomes pixellated. When you try to run a NES emulator fullscreen, it will becomce pixellated, because NES games are designed to run at a set resolution, no?

[raygunpk]

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/ipad.jpg?w=500&h=500

[TOS'd]

http://i45.tinypic.com/sb0lue.jpg

[LiquidTurbo]

http://api.ning.com/files/TAQisU8LBDTC4tC2heaDQOeZS-Rrz2YNGCp-ALFZ1sJzULMurkS8G5BTohOglWuUPCEePfSXGLMBkHkrH2gmH7 CuAYuO65-A/arguingontheinternet.jpg

Let the fanboys be fanboys. After all, they're the ones dumb enough to keep buying this shit.

Apple could package together a touch-screen god damn toaster called the iToast and they'd still buy it. So what's the point in arguing with them?

[MoBettah]

I hear alot of you people arguing about how it's cheap at $500.

First off, it's 500USD.
Secondly, it's 630USD for the lowest end 3G version.

Nobody in their right mind would buy the WiFi only version of this if they were to buy it at all, and whose to say that CAD pricing will match USD pricing? It probably won't, so it's very probable after HST this thing is gonna run like 800CAD.

[TOS'd]

If I had to pick one, I would just get the wifi version. Then connected via tether from my iphone. Since I already have the data plan, why would I want to pay for 2.

[Hehe]

^

It has not been confirmed that tethering is possible on the iPad. Either from or to iPad.

Although it will suck monkey ball if you can't tether to your iphone.

[goo3]

^^ And you've tried one and know this for sure? You've also tried all the apps on it and decided they're useless and don't do anything that other devices do?

Comparing "specs & features" is pointless. It's the software and how people take advantage of it that will determine if the iPad is junk or something very useful.

On the money.

The reality is: it's 2010, not 1990-2000. There was a time when the computer users and gadget buyers were DOS geeks and upgrade whores. They still exist, but they're just a subset of the market now.

The specs & features ppl at the competition said the exact types of things as ppl here about the iPod. Look what happened.

The specs & features ppl at the competition said the exact same things about the iPhone. In fact, lots of laughing and fanboy name calling ensued (true story). Look what happened.

Netbook and e-book makers now: :blueguy:

I don't know whether the iPad will fall flat or if it'll take off. But if the appstore and itunes/ibookstore give a reason for ppl to buy it, they will. Specs & features ppl obviously won't go for it, but it's not all about them anymore. If you disagree, you're just ignorant of reality. Most of the specs & features gibberish here is pointless, indeed.

[SkinnyPupp]

If I had to pick one, I would just get the wifi version. Then connected via tether from my iphone. Since I already have the data plan, why would I want to pay for 2.
LOL you think Apple is going to allow that?

[MoBettah]

The specs & features ppl at the competition said the exact types of things as ppl here about the iPod. Look what happened.

The specs & features ppl at the competition said the exact same things about the iPhone. In fact, lots of laughing and fanboy name calling ensued (true story). Look what happened.

Netbook and e-book makers now: :blueguy:

I don't know whether the iPad will fall flat or if it'll take off. But if the appstore and itunes/ibookstore give a reason for ppl to buy it, they will. Specs & features ppl obviously won't go for it, but it's not all about them anymore. If you disagree, you're just ignorant of reality. Most of the specs & features gibberish here is pointless, indeed.

This argument about features and specs being moot is only valid when you have the minimum standard on a device. Even the average fool interested in this product is gonna wonder about the feature set.

I don't remember people being down on the original ipod at all. As a matter a fact it was hailed for its revolutionary design and interface.

The first gen iphone criticism was completely valid and still holds true. The 3G version pretty much rectified all that was wrong with the original.

You ideas are really distorted about the whole sector. Your down on netbooks and ereaders cause of what exactly? I guess its cause of the massive fail that was netbooks and the kindle? Righht...

"If you disagree, you're just ignorant of reality"

[goo3]

I don't remember people being down on the original ipod at all. As a matter a fact it was hailed for its revolutionary design and interface.


not regular ppl.. the ppl in the companies that thought they could compete by adding more specs. it didn't work. The same thing happened when Apple went into the smart phone market. Lots of laughing at their specs.

Even the 3G doesn't have a removable battery, removable sd, multitasking, it's got one shitty camera, no usb, shitty speaker, a headphone jack that doesn't fit all headphones, and in the beginning no mms and copy/paste. Meanwhile, other phones had all that plus tv out, upnp, mobile tv, fully featured built-in apps, more memory, etc..

The average fool didn't care about the spec sheet. It's a boring piece of paper.


You ideas are really distorted about the whole sector. Your down on netbooks and ereaders cause of what exactly? I guess its cause of the massive fail that was netbooks and the kindle? Righht...


I'm down on them because I believe they'll now have to compete with Apple's ecosystem, even if the iPad doesn't have the specs. Everyone and their dog is trying to catch up by making their own app store.

[_Hotsauce_]

OH NOES! I can't play Spongebob Squarepants!

Seriously, other than YouTube, what do you need Flash for?

First thing that pops into my head is Facebook/Flickr for uploading.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah the Flash uploader is awesome. Wordpress and Gmail use it too.

[ericthehalfbee]

Let the fanboys be fanboys. After all, they're the ones dumb enough to keep buying this shit.

Apple could package together a touch-screen god damn toaster called the iToast and they'd still buy it. So what's the point in arguing with them?
Typical response from someome who can't come up with a valid argument - attack the person instead.

I own an iPhone. That's it. I will never buy a MAC for several reasons: they cost more money, I can't custom build a machine like I can with a PC and they don't run the software I use.

I needed a new phone since my old Motorola was crapping out. I also wanted an iPod. The iPhone made perfect sense. It has never let me down as a phone and getting the included iPod was a bonus. I use it to check e-mail on the road and it works great for that. I have less than 10 apps, a few I use regularly and the rest are games for my kids. There is absolutely nothing any other smartphone can offer me that will improve my life, so why would I even bother to compare "specs"?


BTW, over 90% of the people who own an iPod or iPhone don't own a MAC. Over 90% of iTunes users run it on a PC. Are you going to tell me that Apple's huge success in selling iPods and iPhones is to MAC/Apple fanboys?

[_Hotsauce_]

^
Agreed, I only own an I-touch due to the fact that it gives me an extra 6-7 hours of internet when backpacking. I would have considered a Zune HD had they been out when I bought it. But it's really just a fun toy, I don't care if it's made by Apple or by spongebob square pants company.

[underscore]

Man a spongebob square pants iphone would be perfect. it wouldn't break if you dropped it or pressed it too hard, and if a firmware update kills it you can just squeeze to clear it out. would be fucking brilliant.

[+Kardboard+]

Man a spongebob square pants iphone would be perfect. it wouldn't break if you dropped it or pressed it too hard, and if a firmware update kills it you can just squeeze to clear it out. would be fucking brilliant.
HAHAHAHHAAH :bowrofl:

[goo3]

LOL you guys will have a field day with this one

YouTube- Hitler responds to the iPad

[SkinnyPupp]

Ever wonder why Apple iBots hang onto Steve Jobs' every single word? Maybe there's some subliminal trickery going on:

YouTube- iPad Keynote in less than 180 Seconds: Incredible, Beautiful, Amazing!

[ericthehalfbee]

^ Funny how haters can have so much free time on their hands to produce such a useless piece of lame (and not very funny) video.

Now what I'm curious about is this:

The market (not just computer but every market) is filled with countless pieces of junk and useless things for sale. Yet I don't see huge threads posted about those items.

As a hardcore PC guy who could care less about MAC's, I find it so funny that the iPad has got you and many other people so riled up.


And SkinnyPupp, don't you run a hardware review site? *** Crosses your site off of places to visit for any kind of unbiased information about the computer industry. ***

[SkinnyPupp]

Who says I am biased or unbiased about anything? I am just laughing at the iPad because it's funny. I don't care who made the product, it's retarded.

[Soundy]

^ Funny how haters can have so much free time on their hands to produce such a useless piece of lame (and not very funny) video.

Now what I'm curious about is this:

The market (not just computer but every market) is filled with countless pieces of junk and useless things for sale. Yet I don't see huge threads posted about those items.

As a hardcore PC guy who could care less about MAC's, I find it so funny that the iPad has got you and many other people so riled up.


And SkinnyPupp, don't you run a hardware review site? *** Crosses your site off of places to visit for any kind of unbiased information about the computer industry. ***

QFT. All of it.

[Sky_2000]

Back in 2001, Apple released a new product called the Ipod. People also hated it at first too:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500&page=6

[Ronin]

Back in 2001, Apple released a new product called the Ipod. People also hated it at first too:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500&page=6

The first generation iPod was sort of terrible. Didn't work on Windows (I wasn't a Mac user back then), firewire only, the mechanical wheel was constantly not doing exactly what you wanted.

However...even then, everyone knew this was it. This was the way music was going to be.