[Ronin]

ALRIGHT GUYS IT'S SUNNY! LET'S ENJOY THE SUN AND CHECK OUT CHICKS IN BIKINIS AND SHORT SHORTS CAUSE THAT SHIT WON'T LAST!!!!

I'm in Puerto Rico...taking a short break to wait for the torrential rains to stop but it looks like it's clearing up.

...you wouldn't believe some of the bikinis here...

[q0192837465]

I feel trolled. I'm gonna get laughed at on Monday as all my co-workers are against the HST and I'm the only one for it.

On a side note, I'm not gonna change my tipping practice even though it's 5% once more. I'll still tip as tho HST is in effect. :troll:

[RacePace]

I'm in Puerto Rico...taking a short break to wait for the torrential rains to stop but it looks like it's clearing up.

...you wouldn't believe some of the bikinis here...

http://gifsforum.com/images/image/brb%20using%20my%20imagination/grand/brbusing.jpg

[Ch28]

I'm in Puerto Rico...taking a short break to wait for the torrential rains to stop but it looks like it's clearing up.

...you wouldn't believe some of the bikinis here...

no pics no care

you of all people should know to host then post

[MG1]

ALRIGHT GUYS IT'S SUNNY! LET'S ENJOY THE SUN AND CHECK OUT CHICKS IN BIKINIS AND SHORT SHORTS CAUSE THAT SHIT WON'T LAST!!!!

Amen to that.

Broadway from Cambie to Burrard and beyond............ damn. :fullofwin:

Too much eye candy - gonna go blind. And that's not from fapping, LOLOLOLOL.

[MG1]

I'm in Puerto Rico...taking a short break to wait for the torrential rains to stop but it looks like it's clearing up.

...you wouldn't believe some of the bikinis here...

or lack of...........

[Jermyzy]

Ontario is happy

"..HST rejection in B.C. actually good news for Ontario: finance minister
By Romina Maurino, The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press – 19 minutes ago....tweet4EmailPrint......TORONTO - Ontario will benefit from rejection of the HST in British Columbia because the move to scrap the tax in the west makes Ontario a better place to invest, Finance Minister Dwight Duncan said Friday.

"They will not have as competitive a tax system as us now, and they will now have a real dilemma about the $1.6 billion they have to return to Ottawa," said Duncan.

"B.C. has taken a giant step backwards."

Ontario moved to the HST at the same time as B.C., but the reaction in Ontario was much less visceral.

The governing Liberals attribute the more muted opposition to a rebate package that accompanied the change.

Unlike in B.C., Ontario also didn't introduce the HST after within months of an election campaign that promised not to raise taxes.

But the Ontario Liberals did bring the tax changes during a mandate won after promising not to repeat their 2003 ways, when Premier Dalton McGuinty imposed a "health premium" after promising no tax hikes.

Ontario is heading into its own election campaign in just over a week, however, and while the province wasn't required to hold a referendum, the Oct. 6 vote will be the first opportunity people get to express their feelings about the tax change.

The Progressive Conservatives have wasted no time in dubbing Premier Dalton McGuinty "the taxman" over the HST, and are urging voters to turn the election into their own referendum.

"I just find wherever I go, people want relief," said PC Leader Tim Hudak.

"They're saying that they're getting nickeled and dimed to death, and that hurts businesses, especially small business, when people have fewer dollars in their pockets."

Both the Tories and the New Democrats have promised to take the HST off hydro and home heating bills, with the NDP also promising to phase the provincial portion of the HST off gasoline.

"Liberals in BC and Ontario have proven that they're not listening to families struggling to pay the bills," said Paul Ferreira, NDP candidate for York South-Weston.

"BC voters made it loud and clear the HST is a bad deal. Voters in Ontario will have that opportunity in the upcoming election."

Duncan has said he's only heard about the HST from a couple of voters while he's been out knocking on doors, and he isn't worried about its impact on the upcoming election.

Neither the Tories nor the NDP, he pointed out, are planning to scrap it.

"They rail against it and keep it," Duncan said. "I don't think we want a leader who says one thing about a tax and then does another."

The B.C. tax was killed with 54.73 per cent of voters turning it down and forcing the government to revert to a provincial sales tax.
...:

[7seven]

Ontario is happy


...:

This is true, a bunch of film and tv production will be setting up in ON instead of BC. Luckly for me, I travel on productions with the majority of my clients.

[Nightwalker]

:okay:

I am so disappoint

[optiblue]

Yay, eating out will become cheaper again!
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[StylinRed]

as for the story of Ontario lets not miss what's being said in the article about an impending election and the person that's happy about it is the guy who rought the hst to Ont and he's looking to get reelected
Yay, eating out will become cheaper again!
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time to hit up mcdonalds! :fullofwin:
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[Gridlock]

Your reasons 1 and 2 are flawed. Since the HST has started all raw materials have sky rocketed, your costs have gone up not due to HST; but due to the cost of raw materials. You're bills from your suppliers now include HST, which you should not be passing on to your customer. That HST is given back to you as a credit when you file your business taxes.

You don't need multiple steps in a production chain, you just need multiple times the product has been flipped. Any of the products you purchase and put into a home are bought and sold in Canada multiple times. Taking out a compounding PST should in effect lower your costs.

My logic for number 1 is sound. No matter how you cut it, a 7 percent increase on service based industries is a huge jump, especially when my invoices are 5 digits.

Reason 2, I can see the confusion. It may be flawed, and it may not..the issue being the best the no side had to offer is "businesses SHOULD be able to lower prices". There was no guarantee that was going to happen.

On pst exemptions:

You can bet that each and every one of those exemptions will be back. At some point, they comme up for election, and if the pst isn't just the way they found it, they will be the ones left with 2 seats in legislature, and they know it.

Any talk before hand was fear mongering.

I think ultimately, that 1.6 billion will disappear. I can't picture one of our gov'ts fucking the other one over.

How many billions of dollars have we kissed quebecs ass with?
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[Ronin]

no pics no care

you of all people should know to host then post

AND NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN.

Yeah, that's not creepy at all.

"Hey, can I take your picture so that a bunch of assholes on the internet can fap to it?"

[MG1]

AND NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN.

Yeah, that's not creepy at all.

"Hey, can I take your picture so that a bunch of assholes on the internet can fap to it?"

you could be a little more creative............ like RC truck with cam.

[Ronin]

you could be a little more creative............ like RC truck with cam.

...because that's LESS creepy?

What you just mentioned is exactly what the weird dude in shitty teen movies would do to get shots of girls in their swimwear.

You really are a creepy old man, aren't you?

[StylinRed]

or you could pretend to be taking pictures of your vacation and these hotties just keep getting in the way of the scenery :)

scurd?

[TRDood]

Yay, eating out will become cheaper again!
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Beer will now be more expensive.:okay:

[MG1]

...because that's LESS creepy?

What you just mentioned is exactly what the weird dude in shitty teen movies would do to get shots of girls in their swimwear.

You really are a creepy old man, aren't you?

Being old, ok, I can't help that. My comment was a joke tying the two threads together. I never had to do shit like that, buddy.

At your age, you should be taking action, not posting shit on a forum. At your age, I wasn't talking shit, man. Didn't have time for that. :fullofwin:

[Graeme S]

One of the difficulties with treating a tax writeoff as though it were a discount is that the writeoff appears at the end of the year as a reduction of the further taxes you need to pay, whereas the hst you pay initially is an operating expense.

I don't want to generalize, but there are a lot of companies essentially working job-to-job, and they can't count on a tax rebate to lower their costs. How many people would lease a nicer car or spend more on going out knowing "my tax rebate in april will pay me back for this". Even if it does, you're still paying up front and have less money in your pocket for the rest of the year.
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[Ronin]

Being old, ok, I can't help that. My comment was a joke tying the two threads together. I never had to do shit like that, buddy.

At your age, you should be taking action, not posting shit on a forum. At your age, I wasn't talking shit, man. Didn't have time for that. :fullofwin:

I didn't say I don't have pictures. :fullofwin: Just saying I'm not going to post them for you jerks to fap to.

or you could pretend to be taking pictures of your vacation and these hotties just keep getting in the way of the scenery :)

scurd?

There's easier...less creepy...ways. Y'know...like talking to them?

All hot girls want to model...whether they know it or not.

Anyways, enough about this. I gotta go out in 10 minutes. Back to how repealing HST is killing BC.

...I won't post bikini pictures because I think that's a violation of trust but...maybe when I get home, I'll show you guys some topless zombie hotties from last week.

[StylinRed]

There's easier...less creepy...ways. Y'know...like talking to them?

All hot girls want to model...whether they know it or not.


...I won't post bikini pictures because I think that's a violation of trust but...maybe when I get home, I'll show you guys some topless zombie hotties from last week.

you're the one that wanted other options other than talkin to em :P

[Eatman]

you guys have steered this thread into a different direction...

[Gridlock]

It's kind of turned into a thread about hoes, strippers and titties.

[twitchyzero]

If the HST didn't get voted down somehow I can't see the anti-HST people dissing the opposition for being uneducated. :whistle:

[Ferra]

One of the difficulties with treating a tax writeoff as though it were a discount is that the writeoff appears at the end of the year as a reduction of the further taxes you need to pay, whereas the hst you pay initially is an operating expense.

I don't want to generalize, but there are a lot of companies essentially working job-to-job, and they can't count on a tax rebate to lower their costs. How many people would lease a nicer car or spend more on going out knowing "my tax rebate in april will pay me back for this". Even if it does, you're still paying up front and have less money in your pocket for the rest of the year.
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Most businesses report HST on a monthly or quarterly basis....

and you do realize if they report at the end of the year, they are also able to keep the HST they collected from the customer for the rest of the year as well (which is usually greater than the HST they paid out...thus giving them more money in the pocket for the rest of the year)

bottom line, for 90%+ of the businesses out there, HST is a good thing
(the only type of business that will be worst off are service based companies that face a lower demand & sales because of increased tax cost for the customer.)

[boogabooga]

HST or GST/PST..... Doesn't change how the government mindlessly spends. If they knew how to manage money like 'most' responsible people we wouldn't be in this situation today.

[UFO]

bottom line, for 90%+ of the businesses out there, HST is a good thing
(the only type of business that will be worst off are service based companies that face a lower demand & sales because of increased tax cost for the customer.)

Even for service based companies, demand and sales should not be noticeably adversely affected. If people need the service, they need the service HST or not. Company A has to charge the same HST as Company B providing the same service, so in the big picture things really shouldn't have been affected.

Companies providing a service that take a hit due to HST are those which are 'non-essential', I use that term loosely because what is essential to me may be non-essential to somebody else. But as previously mentioned, if the 5% increase is preventing you from eating out as much, then don't eat out as much. The CHOICE is with the spender.

In these tough times, I only wish people would have considered the overall economic environment and set aside any personal bias. What's done is done, and IMO democracy reared its ugly head showing that major decisions like this probably should not be left up to the general public. I hope those that voted to get rid of the HST will remember what they voted for a few years down the road.

[taylor192]

If the HST didn't get voted down somehow I can't see the anti-HST people dissing the opposition for being uneducated. :whistle:
That's cause it would not be true :D

[taylor192]

In these tough times, I only wish people would have considered the overall economic environment and set aside any personal bias. What's done is done, and IMO democracy reared its ugly head showing that major decisions like this probably should not be left up to the general public. I hope those that voted to get rid of the HST will remember what they voted for a few years down the road.

We now have a $1.6B hole and other associated costs to revert for an estimate total of $3B to be paid by the 2.25M working people in BC. Its unlikely these hole will be closed with cuts, there's just not enough to cut. That's ~$1300 each if they decide to close the hole with taxes, yet its unlikely the lower half will bear this cost, double that and spread it out amongst anyone making more than $40K.

We now also have a revenue shortfall, which must be closed with either cuts or taxes.

We now have nothing left to negotiate with public unions, like the teachers who want a raise. If you have a job with the provincial government, don't expect any increases for awhile.

[CP.AR]

http://i.imgur.com/j74Fg.png

[Alatar]

Put it this way.

We have two former Premiers to thank for completely fucking up the past few years with this HST crap.

Thanks Gordie. Thanks Billy.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Sin ce I voted to keep HST if there any extra tax because of this should it only tax the people who voted to get rib of the HST?

[RRxtar]

can we get a do-over? best out of 3? anyone?

[CRS]

can we get a do-over? best out of 3? anyone?

:lol

+1

[illicitstylz]

Sin ce I voted to keep HST if there any extra tax because of this should it only tax the people who voted to get rib of the HST?

notsureifsrs.jpg

[Spartacus]

Be honest, did all everyone here went out and vote? I know I didn't.
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[Alatar]

I vote bo3.

[Presto]

Be honest, did all everyone here went out and vote? I know I didn't.
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:facepalm:

How fuckin' hard is it to drop an envelope into the mailbox? You don't even need to lick a goddamned stamp!

[Spartacus]

Lol@rage.
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[CP.AR]

I voted the day I got the package.. I was slightly confused by the abundance of envelopes though

[JesseBlue]

extra security measures of course...but nevertheless the steps were there...so unless people didn't ready the steps carefully, then i would see that one might get confused...

[RRxtar]

Ironic how the news is full of people "concerned over 'potential cost cutting measures by the BC government' and reduced funding to services" this week.

I wonder how many of these fucking idiots voted to get rid of the HST?

[Gt-R R34]

I've said it once, i'll say it agian.

It has never been about the tax. It has always been the way it was shoved down our throats. The best idea without the correct implementation is useless.

[Meowjin]

Ironic how the news is full of people "concerned over 'potential cost cutting measures by the BC government' and reduced funding to services" this week.

I wonder how many of these fucking idiots voted to get rid of the HST?

so wait the tax wasn't revenue neutral?

lolol

ps: Cuts were happening prior to this.

[chopstickz]

I think it's too bad that they took away HST, helpped out business pretty good. now they gotta change all the tax system again is pretty annoying

[Meowjin]

If I here someone say something like 3 billion hole again imma snap because they will probably end up making 5 billion for its duration
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[goo3]

free birrion hoe

[cow20xx]

Be honest, did all everyone here went out and vote? I know I didn't.
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I called election BC to get my ballot when it didnt show up in my mailbox; And when it finally arrived but a few days before the deadline, I took some time during my day off to drop it off at the W12 location to ensure it counts. In total it took less than 1 combined hour of my time.

Voting is one of the main way to have your voice heard among the millions, lazy fucks like you who wouldn't even take the slightest effort to cast your ballot have no right to complain or bitch when shit doesn't go your way in the future.

[Spartacus]

I called election BC to get my ballot when it didnt show up in my mailbox; And when it finally arrived but a few days before the deadline, I took some time during my day off to drop it off at the W12 location to ensure it counts. In total it took less than 1 combined hour of my time.

Voting is one of the main way to have your voice heard among the millions, lazy fucks like you who wouldn't even take the slightest effort to cast your ballot have no right to complain or bitch when shit doesn't go your way in the future.

I was on the fence about the hst, I understood the great economic benefits it had for the majority of people in our province. I also knew that since the hst came in last year, it was cutting cost into the lowest income family with kids, because of they didnt have the excemption pst/gst had. The way the hst was brought in was pretty dirty but i forgive the liberals. I didnt vote because I was okay with whatever the voting referendum would be. I niether Complained or bitched about it so go fuck yourself you right wing conservative monkey.
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[Graeme S]

Personally, I would like to see a law as is in place in Australia where voting is legally mandated, punishable by fines. They have something like a 97% response rate. According to the Australian law, you are allowed to ruin your ballot to show your distaste for the electorate, but you MUST VOTE.

Alternatively, I wish more people would vote with ruin their ballots so we could figure out how many disenfranchised yet interested people there are versus apathetic people who don't give even half a shit.
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[cow20xx]

I was on the fence about the hst, I understood the great economic benefits it had for the majority of people in our province. I also knew that since the hst came in last year, it was cutting cost into the lowest income family with kids, because of they didnt have the excemption pst/gst had. The way the hst was brought in was pretty dirty but i forgive the liberals. I didnt vote because I was okay with whatever the voting referendum would be. I niether Complained or bitched about it so go fuck yourself you right wing conservative monkey.
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Your initial tone was 'who actually gives a shit', not your current 'i am indifferent on the tax so i will remain neutral by not voting'. Big attitude difference there buddy.

Right wing conservative?? BWAHAHAAHAHAHA
Just because I vote on something that affects me doesn't make me a conservative, S. S for shitface right?

[Spartacus]

Well, I wanted to hear other people opinions first, who also chose not to vote.

Yeah, I called you a fuckfaced conservative monkey. Lolyumadbro?
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[adambomb]

:okay: Thanks "Yes" voters!! :thumbsup:

Couldn't stand that they got fucked once with the implementation of the HST. Had to vote "Yes" to extinguish it so they can get double fucked.
Well, here ya go. Double fucked. :buttkick: :ratedb:



Extinguishing the harmonized sales tax will cost the province more than $2.3 billion over the next three years, Finance Minister Kevin Falcon announced today.

The added costs mean the province is projecting a $2.8 billion deficit in 2011-12 and $805 million in 2012-13.

Falcon said the government will need to find $458 million in cuts or added revenue in 2013-14 if it is to meet its promise to balance the budget for that year.

More to come.



Read more: Ditching HST to cost B.C. $2.3 billion (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Ditching+cost+billion/5371382/story.html#ixzz1XNsjbV7i)

[wreck]

highest amount of votes in favor of HST found in west vancouver..

lowest found in surrey.

'weird'..

[adambomb]

Bippity Bump... :hi:


The survey by Sage North America found a quarter of business owners who voted against the tax wish they could reverse that decision. That's based on overbearing paperwork during the switch back to the GST/PST, followed by its effect on the BC economy.

Emotions got in the way of HST vote: CFIB - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/397968--emotions-got-in-the-way-of-hst-vote-cfib)

[fsy82]

Bippity Bump... :hi:




Emotions got in the way of HST vote: CFIB - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/397968--emotions-got-in-the-way-of-hst-vote-cfib)

Being an external accountant i agree with there being more paperwork and a seperate set of tax calculations. Time is money.

[JesseBlue]

boohoo...in the end, we all still lose...

[herragge]

This has probably been discussed in the 13 pages by someone who is actually informed. But HST in theory aims to remove an entire level of government bureaucracy by harmonizing both federal and provincial taxes. This passes greater savings to the businesses. These savings in theory will eventually be passed to the consumer, as there are competitive pressures to do so, assuming HST had a long time to be in effect to see the savings become fruitful. Which won't happen if its abolished and PST is reenacted.

[Soundy]

This has probably been discussed in the 13 pages by someone who is actually informed. But HST in theory aims to remove an entire level of government bureaucracy by harmonizing both federal and provincial taxes. This passes greater savings to the businesses. These savings in theory will eventually be passed to the consumer, as there are competitive pressures to do so, assuming HST had a long time to be in effect to see the savings become fruitful. Which won't happen if its abolished and PST is reenacted.

"IF"?? What rock have you been living under the last two years?

Thanks to the Zalm and his cronies stirring up emotions with their bullshit and lies, the HST *was* defeated by referendum... fortunately the gov't has managed to drag out reverting back to the PST mess, but it WILL happen eventually.

[k00laid]

as its been said most people were just voting based on their rage and anger, it was more of showing that the govt cant just push us citizens around then actually doing what was good for everyone

[TheKingdom2000]

as its been said most people were just voting based on their rage and anger, it was more of showing that the govt cant just push us citizens around then actually doing what was good for everyone

I disagree. People voted the way they did because of their ignorance. Not because of rage/anger.

Sure they were raged/angry because they didn't want to pay "more" tax. Which lead them to vote to get rid of the HST. But, that's about it.

[Soundy]

as its been said most people were just voting based on their rage and anger, it was more of showing that the govt cant just push us citizens around then actually doing what was good for everyone

It doesn't help that so many people were so willingly misled by Zalm and the anti-HST brigade... as evidenced by this statement.

[JesseBlue]

and yet people were misled by the liberals when they said they will not introduce hst in the beginning

[CL typeS]

as its been said most people were just voting based on their rage and anger, it was more of showing that the govt cant just push us citizens around then actually doing what was good for everyone

I agree, most of my friends that voted to abolish it were just pissed that it was shoved down their throats. But I also agree they shouldve learned more about the tax itself then thinking such short term.

[k00laid]

It doesn't help that so many people were so willingly misled by Zalm and the anti-HST brigade... as evidenced by this statement.

Im not saying thats my own personal belief as you assumed so quickly, perhaps I use the wrong word by saing "us citizens"

[Ronin]

People voted against it because they thought they were paying more taxes with HST in place without knowing about any of HST's benefits.

[k00laid]

^^this is the most accurate statement, thanks

[Gridlock]

I'd be curious to see what the new tax has brought in as opposed to the old system.

I know it would be in the budget, but has anyone seen an article that summarizes it for me?

[RRxtar]

man i wish we could get a re-vote.


also, ps, thanks for bumping this thread. this whole deal had slipped to the back of my mind and this thread has once again reminded me why society frustrates me.

[Soundy]

and yet people were misled by the liberals when they said they will not introduce hst in the beginning
Failed... because the Liberals DID NOT SAY THIS.

From the very start, I challenged anyone who claimed "Campbell lied" to provide proof: a recorded news clip, a transcript, anything, of Gordon Campbell himself stating categorically that they would not implement the HST. All I ever got back was all manner of "yeah, but"s.

The closest I ever heard about was some generic questionnaire, filled in by some staff member, that essentially said there were NO IMMEDIATE PLANS AT THAT TIME to bring in the HST... not that they would NEVER do it.

But this is exactly the kind of bullshit Zalm and crew kept spreading to get people to vote with their... well, with nothing, really, because they certainly weren't voting with their brains.

[Gridlock]

I get really annoyed when I repeatedly get told that because I voted to get rid of the HST, I wasn't voting with my brain.

Yeah, Vander Zalm is an idiot. Acknowledged.

I'm not.

I don't want to give our government one more dollar of my money, no matter how noble the cause. And when you give a government more money, they will find a way to spend it. Stupidly.

I would have been fine with a 10% HST...upon implementation. But it wasn't offered.

I would have been fine with keeping the HST, with changes to what was and was not taxed at 12% to more reflect the GST/PST system...but that wasn't offered.

And I'm a small business owner, and should have been all over the HST, but I wasn't. It made things worse for me, because it made things worse for my customers.

Don't call me an idiot because I disagree with you.

[Soundy]

I get really annoyed when I repeatedly get told that because I voted to get rid of the HST, I wasn't voting with my brain.
Fine. YOU may have been using your brain. But a LOT of people weren't... including businesses who, as referenced above, now regret that vote.

I know plenty of people who openly admitted at the time, they agreed it was "probably" a better tax system... but were voting against it as well, for purely emotional reasons: they believe "Campbell lied", they "wanted to teach the Liberals a lesson", etc. etc. THOSE are the idiots.

And I'm a small business owner, and should have been all over the HST, but I wasn't. It made things worse for me, because it made things worse for my customers.

So you prefer having to deal with two separate tax bureaucracies? How does that help your bottom line?

Admittedly the shift in tax structure doesn't benefit ALL segments... the idea is that it benefits MORE of them, though, than does the separate GST/PST mess. And when businesses benefit, the economy as a whole improves, and that benefits everyone. If another small business sees enough benefit he can hire a couple more people... well, that's two more people that are off the dole and can maybe even become new customers of yours. Hell, maybe they're existing customers of yours that can now spend more with you because they're working again thanks to that other company down the street seeing the benefit.

"The economy" is a BIG-PICTURE, LONG-TERM concept, and almost universally, those I heard speaking against the HST were barely thinking beyond their own wallets, right now.

[Great68]

I don't know what's worse, the liberals jamming the HST down our throats in the first place, or them waffling and turning 180degrees with their tails between their legs.

They seemed to be more worried more about their popularity in the polls when they announced the referendum. If they really felt the HST was best for the province, they would have stuck to their guns.

That's a fucking sell out. And to top it off, it got them nowhere, they're down in the dumps, everyone's jumping off the SS Christie before it sinks.

The money spent to return to GST/PST could have funded a LOT of other more important projects.

[inv4zn]

"The economy" is a BIG-PICTURE, LONG-TERM concept, and almost universally, those I heard speaking against the HST were barely thinking beyond their own wallets, right now.

You're making an argument against yourself with this one, because while your point is true, how many people (as a whole) are going to be worrying about long-term/big-picture types, when what they're most concerned about is their own wallets, right now.

How many people in the lower mainland are going to say I don't mind paying a bit more tax now because of the benefits outweigh the costs? The sample people who drive down to Bellingham in hordes to save 50 cents on milk?

It's been mentioned over and over that the HST would have been successful if it had been implemented correctly. The fact is that it wasn't.
Now it was repealed, unfortunate yes, but it is the result of democracy, whether or not the voters were (mis)informed or not, it is what it is

HST was introduced, people complained. HST is now being rolled back, people complain. I can understand people being upset about this entire HST ordeal regardless of which side you're on, but at the very least be thankful that we are even able to debate about it and that we don't have a portrait of Dear Leader in our bedrooms.

Oh, and for fucks sake, vote.

[MindBomber]

I get really annoyed when I repeatedly get told that because I voted to get rid of the HST, I wasn't voting with my brain.

I would have been fine with a 10% HST...upon implementation. But it wasn't offered.


I have not been presented with one good argument for voting down the HST.

When I am presented with a good argument for voting down the HST, I will cease to broadly consider anyone who did an idiot. Until then...


I don't want to give our government one more dollar of my money, no matter how noble the cause. And when you give a government more money, they will find a way to spend it. Stupidly.

Stupidly, like, say, spending billions of dollars on bureaucratic paperwork to revert back to GST/PST?

I would have been fine with a 10% HST...upon implementation. But it wasn't offered.


Then, there's this....

Why does it matter whether 10% HST was offered upon implementation, or at the time of the referendum?

What matters is the end result would have been 10% HST, not the process to get there; unless you're voting based on emotion instead of facts.

as its been said most people were just voting based on their rage and anger, it was more of showing that the govt cant just push us citizens around then actually doing what was good for everyone

because doing whats good for everyone clearly is of secondary importance.....

[Gridlock]

And I'm out! What's done is done..accomplished by us idiots.

[UFO]

Well that sure taught the Liberals a lesson. Now NDP will take the next election, hello 1990's all over again! I hear we are short on fast ferries right about now...

People have such short memories.

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[RRxtar]

Well that sure taught the Liberals a lesson. Now NDP will take the next election, hello 1990's all over again! I hear we are short on fast ferries right about now...

People have such short memories.
fast ferries? lol, this version of the NDP will be too busy pandering to unions and social services and handing out money to people like free candy to even think about spending money on anything else

[UFO]

You wait and see I wouldn't put it past the NDP. And people will love that, until they realize the same money being handed out is being pulled out of their very own pockets. That damned big picture again