[nns]

What I believe should be done with this is to force everyone of these guys to attend 8hr a day classes that preach responsible driving for about a month/until you pass (like they do in the USA)
You are more lenient than I would be. Even if Ping Zhang and his bros go and take some proper driving class, they would still most likely drive their daddy's R8, Gallardo, SLS, GTR, or whatever other car they don't deserve.

Why not just institute a driving ban? Period-based. 1 year, 2 years, etc - as well as a probationary period.

I see the flaws in my own suggestion, but really, I just don't want these spoiled kids to drive. :fullofwin:

parm104 is probably going to fail me for this. Hands them out like candy.

[6thGear.]

I wonder whats going to happen first, these kids getting their license revoked or the rioters getting charged?

[.Renn.Sport]

No they won't be going back the whole reason their parents sent them here is so that if the dad gets arrested in China for corruption the kid will at least be safe (since the whole family gets arrested/jailed in china)

Your reply just shows how little you know about the riches in China.
:stfu:

[taylor192]

The police better have hard evidence to prove otherwise.

Not really. Its already been pointed out that the police can charge them with stunting, and all they need is witnesses to make that stick. The people who called in would probably have no issue testifying to see some spoiled kids lose their licenses and cars.

[Death2Theft]

Thats because you couldn't afford to maintain any of them anyways.
I rather have those Mazda 3's and civics rather than retarded exotic rich daddy street racers that rip up and down the street (ie Mattzhang and his R8 in the summer meet).

[6thGear.]

i bet matt zhang is gonna make a new account... and he is gonna his account name somehow related to his car or name :facepalm:

Like MattBlackR8?

[dbaz]

^^
impoundedR8? justkeepingpaceR8?

[Death2Theft]

Who gives a crap who paid for the car? If you like to see boring ass cars next time dont go to the meets go to a mazda of honda dealership.
At least those mazda3's / civics were paid for by the owner and built with sweat, tears and hard earned money. A lot more respect from me for those owners.

[Death2Theft]

Easy you have your buddies behind you doing 40 blocking both lanes until you get the distance of the tunnel. Any car with half a set of balls can hit 200 in that distance. I've hit 280 in that distance and still had time to hit the brakes to exit the tunnel at the speed limit.
so can someone explain how you can do 200 km/h during rush hour on highway 99? :fulloffuck:

[phunky.FOB]

saw the matte lambo and aston martin last night in white rock.. and i was wonder what happened cause a few cops were there . and i see why now.

[Death2Theft]

Which is pretty stupid to do in rush hour. No wonder people are calling in pissed off. The sense of entitlement those kids have, no consideration for anyone else is totally a china thing.
You missed this part of the story: two cars would stall traffic, clearing up gaps, while others raced.

Edit: allegedly "raced"
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[SpuGen]

^^
impoundedR8? justkeepingpaceR8?

NotMattZhangR8XtCBLUDrAg0NRa\/3R-dailo~~604///>.<

[wstce92]

Which is pretty stupid to do in rush hour. No wonder people are calling in pissed off. The sense of entitlement those kids have, no consideration for anyone else is totally a china thing.

Really? Because I grew up on the North Shore, and the level to which white and persian kids are spoiled there is ridiculous.
There's no "race" requirement for being a self-entitled, pompous, douche-bag, asshole with no consideration for anyone.

IMO it's poor and/or absent parenting coupled with someone's naturally awful personality

[6thGear.]

Who gives a crap who paid for the car? If you like to see boring ass cars next time dont go to the meets go to a mazda of honda dealership.

lol, I actually didn't go to the meet.

The problem everyone seems to have, is that these kids are taking what they have for granted, and thinking they should have that entitlement. I have a few friends who's parents bought them nice cars, but they did well in HS(honour roll) go straight to UBC and get onto the Deans list. They bust their ass and get rewarded by their parents, not get shit handed to them on a silver platter.

[parm104]

Depends how the law defines "equal". Many countries levy fines based on ability to pay. Why? Cause the fine should hurt "equally", not really hurt poor people and only be pennies to a rich person.

It makes perfect sense. A small fine to a wealthy person isn't much of a punishment, so what has the law achieved?

I agree with you but unfortunately in Canada, our Canadian Constitution is supreme law. The constitution guarantees equal treatment of all people regardless of creed, gender and class and so does our Charter. If we decide to change our laws so that people with more money will experience the same amount of hardship someone with less money who receives a fine/penalty, then we would basically be re-writing our Constitution.

Although in an IDEAL world, the law would be based on how it effects those who break it, in the real world, it's all about making sure the punishment fits THE CRIME and is consistent and fair for everyone.

Also, all this talk is based on Criminal charges which will most likely never even occur. Eyewitness testimony from random people on the highway may be enough for ICBC to revoke a license or for them to give a harsher driving prohibition...But certainly not for criminal charges. It would be an absolute waste of time and money to go after these guys criminally because there isn't any evidence that will hold in court.

[ilvtofu]

I don't agree with the police decision to impound all these vehicles based on such weak evidence, but that MM Design GTR deserves to be crushed, or at least have that hideous vinyl removed.

[parm104]

lol, I actually didn't go to the meet.

The problem everyone seems to have, is that these kids are taking what they have for granted, and thinking they should have that entitlement. I have a few friends who's parents bought them nice cars, but they did well in HS(honour roll) go straight to UBC and get onto the Deans list. They bust their ass and get rewarded by their parents, not get shit handed to them on a silver platter.

You're stereotyping and making assumptions. I'm not saying that what you're saying may not be the case with these guys...But you don't know them personally and you don't know what they have or what they have not done in their lives. If you're claiming that these kids are taking what they have for granted, I am going to have to assume that either you personally know them or you can read their minds because other than that, you have no way of knowing if they appreciate their toys.

At the end of the day, what people do with their money and what lifestyle people give to their kids is no one else's business but their own. The only matter we have a business in is the safety of our fellow citizens on the roads and the actions that these guys portray in public.

I've seen on a daily basis people driving ERRATICALLY and dangerously without care in shit-box cars and honky trucks...It really doesn't have anything to do with money or class.

[Tim Budong]

I don't agree with the police decision to impound all these vehicles based on such weak evidence, but that MM Design GTR deserves to be crushed, or at least have that hideous vinyl removed.

Street racing rule..isnt it that if there is suspicion for racing, automatically impound for 7 days

[ruthless]

The 13 vehicles seized:

2007 Ferrari 599

2010 Lamborghini Gallardo

2010 Lamborghini Gallardo

2009 Lamborghini Gallardo

2009 Audi R8

2012 Nissan GT-R

2010 Nissan GT-R

2010 Nissan GT-R

2010 Maserati Turismo

2010 Maserati Turismo

2011 Mercedes SL63

2011 Mercedes SLS

2005 Aston Martin DB9

[Groot]

who saw the news just now? LOLOLOL mattzhang says he was just following them and trying to follow the rules bullfuckingshit :bullshit:

edit: link
http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/hot+wheels/video.html?v=2114710685&p=1&s=dd#video

go to 1:05

[Tim Budong]

who saw the news just now? LOLOLOL mattzhang says he was just following them and trying to follow the rules bullfuckingshit :bullshit:

edit: link
Hot Wheels - News Hour - Videos | Global BC (http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/hot+wheels/video.html?v=2114710685&p=1&s=dd#video)

go to 1:05

i just saw it
what a fucking pussy way out. and just pinned the blame on others

just like at the RS meet

[Drow]

Ohhhh shiet hes on tv
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[Manic!]

180-mph ride could bring huge fine (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38660951/ns/world_news-europe/t/swede-could-face-huge-speeding-fine/)

should be like switz based on income and offence.

if you guys read further in article
In January, a Swiss court slapped a $290,000 speeding ticket on a millionaire Ferrari driver who drove 60 mph (nearly twice the 30 mph limit) through a small village.

But the people driving these cars have no jobs meaning they have no income.

[LSF22]

Video says one of the drivers was a girl?! Just curious, anyone know which one she was driving?

[Cielmer]

LSF22: GIRL RACER?? NO WAAAI! THEY DON'T EXIST!

Haha, seriously though, despite the gender, dumb shit move is dumb.


I wasn't there but what exactly happened with Matt Zhang and the RS meet? I've heard of this kid before but I know little of what went down. I was also in another province at the time the RS meet happened.

[ilvtofu]

Street racing rule..isnt it that if there is suspicion for racing, automatically impound for 7 days

If actual street racing occurred then yes, as far as I'm concerned there is no solid proof of that

You need to understand the source of the evidence and so do 90% of the people here, a few people calling in saying these punks were street racing is not evidence that can prove shit beyond a reasonable doubt in court. It's a third party opinion and not a trained/experienced one at that, and did you consider the biases among people who see a convoy of high dollar exotics? :facepalm:

So far it doesn't seem like any police officers personally witnessed any agressive driving at the time of these allegations, nor have any videos come up showing street racing etc. Not sure how matt zhang's retarded statement will affect their case though

[LP700-4]

^ Exactly what I was thinking, that statement might have made his case even worse
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[Matsuda]

Matt Zhang:

http://www.iamit.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/never_go_full_retard1.jpg

[LSF22]

LSF22: GIRL RACER?? NO WAAAI! THEY DON'T EXIST!

Haha, seriously though, despite the gender, dumb shit move is dumb.


I wasn't there but what exactly happened with Matt Zhang and the RS meet? I've heard of this kid before but I know little of what went down. I was also in another province at the time the RS meet happened.

LOL just wanna see what supercar this underaged fob girl thought she could handle :troll:

Matt was revving in and outside the parking lot at Adesa, as well as doing donuts and speeding down No.8 road?

[Carl Johnson]

His statement to the media will definitely be used against him if they actually decide to take this thing to court. Which I suspect they probably will knowing how rich mainlanders operate. He should of just hired a lawyer and kept his mouth shut, but it is too late now.

[6thGear.]

You're stereotyping and making assumptions. I'm not saying that what you're saying may not be the case with these guys...But you don't know them personally and you don't know what they have or what they have not done in their lives. If you're claiming that these kids are taking what they have for granted, I am going to have to assume that either you personally know them or you can read their minds because other than that, you have no way of knowing if they appreciate their toys.

At the end of the day, what people do with their money and what lifestyle people give to their kids is no one else's business but their own. The only matter we have a business in is the safety of our fellow citizens on the roads and the actions that these guys portray in public.

I've seen on a daily basis people driving ERRATICALLY and dangerously without care in shit-box cars and honky trucks...It really doesn't have anything to do with money or class.

Your right, unfortunately, these kids aren't helping the stereotypes and that's how everyone else sees it. And no, I don't know them personally, but just seeing how they present themselves on the news leads me to believe they are just that. Rich and spoiled. And if what everyone has said about this Matt kid, letting people rip up and down the street with his R8, pretty much shows, he doesn't really give a shit about his car. Anyone one of us on here wouldn't let anyone do that to our cars, now would we? Why? Cause we paid for it ourselves. Well, majority of us that is. But I do see why you replied the way you did though, I can see you don't like the stereotypes/assumptions and such....

[Tim Budong]

Matt Zhang's stupid statement most likely helped with how the case will be tried. Then again, his whole statement was just a scapegoat line to make himself feel "better"

kinda like.. im sorry, but i didnt do it.. wtffff

[Marco911]

This is bullshit. Unless there is enough evidence to individually charge each driver, there is no way that all the cars should have been impounded. The law doesn't operate through "guilt by association." Sounds like the evidence is pretty lacking and that's why they each got charged with such a petty offence that doesn't even justify a 7 day impound. I thought you had to be charged with excessive speeding in order to get a 7 day impound?

[CP.AR]

gonna repost this from my post in the spotted thread so everyone can see...

video with Mr. Zhang's statement

Hot wheels - News Hour - Videos | Global BC (http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/hot+wheels/video.html?v=2114710685&p=1&s=dd#stories/video)

[Geoc]

To be honest, his call to global pretty much stabbed all his 'racecar' buddies in the back in attempt to make himself seem innocent.

He did it at the RS Meet, and he did it again now.

Says a lot about his character,

[LP700-4]

This is bullshit. Unless there is enough evidence to individually charge each driver, there is no way that all the cars should have been impounded. The law doesn't operate through "guilt by association." Sounds like the evidence is pretty lacking and that's why they each got charged with such a petty offence that doesn't even justify a 7 day impound. I thought you had to be charged with excessive speeding in order to get a 7 day impound?

I thought they also had to have direct evidence, this doesn't make lots of sense because you could've been doing 200 and swerving around traffic and do worse in a crappy car with them and not get caught, because you're not driving a supercar.
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[jpark]

To be honest, his call to global pretty much stabbed all his 'racecar' buddies in the back in attempt to make himself seem innocent.

He did it at the RS Meet, and he did it again now.

Says a lot about his character,

backstabber http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/square/000/004/077/Raisins_Face.jpg?1286515652

[miss_crayon]

Daddy can buy you a car..but daddy can't buy you a brain.
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[1exotic]

backstabber http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/square/000/004/077/Raisins_Face.jpg?1286515652

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/square/000/004/077/Raisins_Face.jpg?1286515652

[subordinate]

Man...that was seriously dumb. " Yeah...they were going 200km/hr, prob faster"

I all for fines and suspensions, but never forfeiture. That's bull.

[EmperorIS]

thing that pisses me off is those kids prob still think they are cool as shit and being on the new just confirms they are getting attention

bunch of classless no brain fools

i bet they just think the cops are just hating too

something needs to be done to wipe those smirky cocky attitude from these pathetic scums of society that has nothing to contribute

holy fuxx those kids in the video are skinny as fuck .. i want to fucking snap their arm so they can't drive and put others in danger again

[Cielmer]

Wow, look at some of these stick thin kids... Most of them weight like what? 100lbs soaking wet? I'm surprised they even have the upper body strength to handle those cars. Imagine if one of them lost control and spun out. The steering wheel would slingshot them out the window.

[jerche]

"Keeping with the flow of the traffic with my friends who are easily doing 200km/h"

What an idiot...he basically admitted they were all at fault including himself. At the end of the day, you are still over the speed limit and breaking the law.

[Meowjin]

who the fuck cares

[!Aznboi128]

lol found this on autoblog

The driver of the MatteBlack Audi R8 is Matt Zhang. He is the kid in the hoody at 37seconds in global news video embedded in the article.

Matt Zhang is a douchebag reckless driver who frequently gets into accidents. Most recently he was t-boned in his parents Porsche Cayanne shown here.
http://www.revscene.net/forums/642202-spotted-mattzhang-10.html#post7554273

Just a few days earlier he showed up to a annual 600+ meet, and allowed people to borrow his car which ended up doing burnouts and causing problems.

His excuse: Sorry, just wanted everyone to enjoy what he does.
http://www.revscene.net/forums/642202-spotted-mattzhang-8.html

Unfortunately justice demands evidence prove his guilt, and this time it looks like nobody has any. Hopefully next time it won't be too late.


BTW: In this latest clip, Global News claims the driver of the audi r8 (Matt Zhang) admits that some were going easily over 200KPH, and that he was just following and obeying the laws. (LOL)

skip to 1:05

Hot wheels - News Hour - Videos | Global BC (http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/hot+wheels/video.html?v=2114710685&p=1&s=dd#video)



Ferrari and Lamborghini among $2 million of supercars seized in B.C. street race &mdash; Autoblog Canada (http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/09/02/ferraris-and-lambos-among-2-million-of-supercars-seized-in-b-c/#continued)

[dangonay]

I agree they need better evidence to proceed further with these individuals (especially if they try to apply to seize their vehicles).

However, I don't agree with people's comments about drivers not making good witnesses. People have used the example that someone who doesn't like you could call in and report you and you could get a ticket/fine/whatever simply based on the word of an individual.

This case is different as they had multiple callers reporting in. I don't know how many, or what was said by each caller, but it's stupid to think that a bunch of people who don't know each other, and have never met, all decided to form a conspiracy and call the police with similar stories to get these guys in trouble.

If three callers said "a Lamborghini with xxx license flew by me" that would be considered excellent evidence by the police since they all corroborate each other. If three callers said "a bunch of sports cars flew by me" then that evidence would be pretty useless in court since there's no way to identify a specific individual/vehicle.

We'll have to wait and see what further actions the police take and what evidence they use to pursue those actions. I doubt all of them will lose their cars, but one or two might if they can pinpoint a specific action by a specific individual.

[Matsuda]

just watched the video, some of them are going to fight the ticket? are you fucking serious?! man up and pay the fucking fine! Its not like its going to set you back!

/rant

[observer]

I still find it hard to believe 200km/h during rush hour. Personally, I rather see cops do more with the monthly critical mass civil disturbance, or pressing charges against rioters than stopping cars based on the mysterious "multiple" callers.

People will call when they see loud flashy cars passing them, but are they trained to estimate speed?

Call me old school but I feel the burden should be on the police to prove their case. In a civilized world, we should be innocent until proven guilty.

The way the cop talked to the press, he appeared more like a third world dictator boasting about his selective enforcement.

Just because the kids look spoiled and stupid doesn't mean we have to side with whatever the police or press feeds us.

[Tim Budong]

it seems that its going to be just the fine + impound fees
6pts off the N is suspension tho no?

not sure on this one

but whatever, its not like these kids will learn
especially when an un-named driver decided to call global..pin the blame on friends, have them publicly humiliated and think you automatically become "hero"

Its ok, maybe being publicly humiliated by the mediums around the internet should do u some social justice. Its not like RS is the only place that's talking about the incident. When places of Jalopnik and autoblog have posts about it, the world takes notice.

[dangonay]

People will call when they see loud flashy cars passing them, but are they trained to estimate speed?

Just because the kids look spoiled and stupid doesn't mean we have to side with whatever the police or press feeds us.
They weren't charged for speeding. The police officer I saw commenting outright said they could only charge them with "driving with undue care and attention". He also stated they could only charge them based on the evidence they had, which is why nobody was charged for speeding or excessive speeding.

I don't see why people are getting upset - the police didn't charge anyone for speeding based on the estimates of another untrained driver, despite the press saying stupid things like "they were going 200 km/h".
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[GLOW]

holy fuxx those kids in the video are skinny as fuck ..

haha i was thinking the same thing too. if you're arms are THAT skinny, why are you wearing a wife beater in public LOL
don't rich kids eat?

[skippynixx]

Last time I checked, if you rat on your friends, you tend to get your ass beat...let alone going to the media to do it? wow. R8 or not I'm glad I'm not him.

[spoonek4]

AA007. RG-M18C30 CAR DVR / PVR RECORDER

Would be nice if one of the witness got one of these installed.....

[kit385]

this happen at beijing highway all the time. they still think here is china"people's republic of canada"

[EM1]

That isn't at all what he's saying...If you read the comments in this thread, you would realize his response was to those people who were saying that these guys should pay MORE fines than the AVERAGE person driving the AVERAGE car for committing the SAME crime...

No where did he say that these people deserve special treatment or exemptions to the law.

Your response my friend, is stupid as you COMPLETELY missed his point. When people suggest that these guys HAVE MORE thus should PAY MORE, he simply stated that they already are...Which in THAT SENSE, he is absolutely right...They already do pay more in car luxury taxes and insurance...So now they should pay MORE for fines when the rest of the public pays a different, lesser fine for doing the same wrong thing??


That is what YOU think he was referring to. Did he say explicitly? The topics in this thread were jumping all over the place, and out of all topics, you chose to deduce the higher fines arguments, back up RennSport, and pin this on me? Ignore everything, because he was speaking generally with no quotes and explicit referrals, and read his comment alone with no other context in mind, then read mine again.

I was referring to his comment specifically. He thought posters here were treating them unfairly and that people should go easier on them with what they've been saying. Special treatment was my point here. Do they not deserve some sort of negative, speculative chatter for what they did?

Peace.

[CharlieH]

I agree with Rogue. Licenses should be also based on displacement.

L & N Drivers ---- allowed to drive <2.0 Litres 4 Cylinders
<5 Years driving ---- up to 3.0 Litre 4 Cylinder
6-8 Years driving ---- limited up to 6 cyclinder
8+ Years driving ---- unlimited

Or some something like that...

I would love to see an Audi R8 with a VW 1.8T or a Ferrari with a Fiat 500 engine.

And traffic fines should be based on price of your car... If your driving around in a $100,000+ Car then you should pay more for your fine. eg. $15,000
If you are caught speeding in your Yugo(if you could do the speed limit) your fine would be considerable less.

The fine is to deter you from doing it again. Correct?

Sorry for the RANT... Also the L and N should be larger.

Hell I have 2 Driving teenagers(1 L and 1N) They are allowed to drive sub 2.0l cars in the garage. No way are they driving the V8s. I guess I care about them and the drivers around them. That being said maybe the 13 drivers parents don't give a shit on what their children are doing.

T.


you're a fucking idiot. i don't know how you were able to raise two teenagers with your sense of logic. kids must be fucking retarded as well.

[hk20000]

^ With that said, if you are a new driver in Australia, apparently you cannot drive anything with a turbocharger or with more than 6 cyl lol.

South Australian Probationary Drivers Banned From V8s And Turbo Cars From September | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/50530/sa-p-platers-banned-from-v8-turbo-and-supercharged-cars)

And that your traffic violation ticket in Switzerland is proportional to your annual income and exponentially increase with clocked speed:

One Million Speeding Ticket Is Imposed In Switzerland (http://www.huliq.com/1/813-one-million-speeding-ticket-imposed-switzerland)

tho the latter idea will just overload our traffic courts.

[6insomnia9]

LOL Tego, that is the stupidiest shit I have ever read in this forum , you are worst than bradford chow, get some fucking logic in your head, cause they will never ever let do that in our life time or any life time not even in parallel universe.
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[InvisibleSoul]

Video says one of the drivers was a girl?! Just curious, anyone know which one she was driving?

I've seen a girl driving a white Maserati Gran Turismo around before, so my guess is that one.

[MDMA]

You're stereotyping and making assumptions. I'm not saying that what you're saying may not be the case with these guys...But you don't know them personally and you don't know what they have or what they have not done in their lives. If you're claiming that these kids are taking what they have for granted, I am going to have to assume that either you personally know them or you can read their minds because other than that, you have no way of knowing if they appreciate their toys.

At the end of the day, what people do with their money and what lifestyle people give to their kids is no one else's business but their own. The only matter we have a business in is the safety of our fellow citizens on the roads and the actions that these guys portray in public.

I've seen on a daily basis people driving ERRATICALLY and dangerously without care in shit-box cars and honky trucks...It really doesn't have anything to do with money or class.

+1, couldn't of put it in better words, people just hate cause they wish they were driving those cars
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[Tai Chi]

Why am I not surprise none of them feel guilty?

$2400 to enter this SUPERCAR club? :woot2:

Min requirement to enter: 0-100 under 5 secs before any mods..

[Snip3r]

So...

Can somebody tell me / link me to what happened at the Revscene Summer meet?

[Jermyzy]

Just as a FYI, many parts of the world (mainly Europe/Australia) have had displacement/hp restrictions on motorcycles for new riders. It's even being contemplated for BC as well.

[shawnly1000]

RS are you guys calling into News1130? LOL

md writes, "Who provided these idiots with these cars? They're idiots too! You can't buy respect. Unbelievable, and lucky no one got hurt or killed. Suspensions for all, cars sold. Proceeds to education."

High-end car race on highway enrages News1130.com audience - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/273039--high-end-car-race-on-highway-enrages-news1130-com-audience)

LOL this story is even being mentioned on CNN

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/02/police-grab-2-million-worth-of-cars-after-canadian-street-race/?hpt=hp_c2

[CP.AR]

^ it'll be amazing if it makes its way over to Chiner and their parents spit out their rice seeing their cars on TV

[Hondaracer]

Personally for me its not about "hating on what people have" I couldn't care less if some kid has a Ferrari that his parents bought him because although he did not earn it
Himself, somone in his family did Somthing right at some point that allowed them to get these cars, and good on them for it

My problem is with hongers with N's getting off basically Scott free when your way over the limit on a busy highway during the middle of the day, if those guys who raced up cypress got their cars impounded and sold off, why don't these guys as well? It's basically the same thing cops rolled up on the cypress guys after the fact and took their cars based on heresay

And as for hydes post there "poor people being jealous" I know at least 4-5 people/family friends etc who have 150k+ cars and these people can seemingly drive responsible, take advantage of the full ability of their car, and not make the news..

These hongers just have time on their hands and I'll go out on a limb and make the asumption that none of them including Matt zhang is michael shumacher (sp) if they didn't get caught now it would probably only be a matter of time before one of them was wrapped around a pole, probably for the better.
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[GLOW]

you're a fucking idiot. i don't know how you were able to raise two teenagers with your sense of logic. kids must be fucking retarded as well.

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/713-why-u-mad-thou.jpg

[Pharoh]

so much dirty money in Vancouver


anyway - it'll be interesting to see what impact that guys comments to Global have in this case for the RCMP. I still wonder if there were any video cameras on board or anything.`

[Ferra]

lol....these guy let the cops tow theirs cars with no hard evidence against them?? :fuckthatshit:
I would give the cops shit if they wanted to tow my car just because "someone" said I was speeding

sounds like a bunch of pussies who can't even stand up and talk back to the cops by themselves

[6insomnia9]

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/713-why-u-mad-thou.jpg

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/7/30/6d5c8a39-3a4e-41e9-8204-97de09319852.jpg

[miataken]

I agree with your points Hondaracer, except they are mainlanders, not hongers.

[CP.AR]

I agree with your points Hondaracer, except they are mainlanders, not hongers.

amazing how you signed up in 2005 and only had your first post just now...

[Stealthy]

Video says one of the drivers was a girl?! Just curious, anyone know which one she was driving?

Pretty sure it was the Ferrari 599.

[LSF22]

So...

Can somebody tell me / link me to what happened at the Revscene Summer meet?


^ IIRC he was revving it in/outside the parking lot at Adesa.

Oh yeah, that and he was doing donuts.

From: http://www.revscene.net/forums/642202-spotted-mattzhang.html thread

[wasabisashimi]

I agree with Rogue. Licenses should be also based on displacement.

L & N Drivers ---- allowed to drive <2.0 Litres 4 Cylinders
<5 Years driving ---- up to 3.0 Litre 4 Cylinder
6-8 Years driving ---- limited up to 6 cyclinder
8+ Years driving ---- unlimited

Or some something like that...

I would love to see an Audi R8 with a VW 1.8T or a Ferrari with a Fiat 500 engine.

And traffic fines should be based on price of your car... If your driving around in a $100,000+ Car then you should pay more for your fine. eg. $15,000
If you are caught speeding in your Yugo(if you could do the speed limit) your fine would be considerable less.

The fine is to deter you from doing it again. Correct?

Sorry for the RANT... Also the L and N should be larger.

Hell I have 2 Driving teenagers(1 L and 1N) They are allowed to drive sub 2.0l cars in the garage. No way are they driving the V8s. I guess I care about them and the drivers around them. That being said maybe the 13 drivers parents don't give a shit on what their children are doing.

T.

oh wow, that statement is truely stupid. If I really want to be a retard, I can drive my piece of shit 1994 Ford fiesta and still let it rip through the street being a complete danger to others lives and properties. You don't need to hit 200km/h to be dangerous. Your kids with a 2.0L engine can still be reckless. Honestly, I bet any one of these supercars has better safety tech and computers to keep the car stable or even better roll over crash protection than a shit box ford fiesta or hyundai accent that your kids are driving.

Point being that if Matt Z was given a hyundai accent from his parents, his shitty personality and the way he was raised, this would still have happened and you would be reading on the CTV news " Hot import racer"

[InvisibleSoul]

RS are you guys calling into News1130? LOL

md writes, "Who provided these idiots with these cars? They're idiots too! You can't buy respect. Unbelievable, and lucky no one got hurt or killed. Suspensions for all, cars sold. Proceeds to education."
But if you race for pink slips and win, you get the money AND the respect!

[Snip3r]

But if you race for pink slips and win, you get the money AND the respect!

http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/250/draft_lens5778782module45002112photo_1247348552vin-diesel-picture-1.jpg

[hchang]

sounds like a bunch of pussies who can't even stand up and talk back to the cops by themselves

Probably cause the majority of them don't speak english :troll:
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[skippynixx]

It made it to CNN

Police grab $2 million worth of cars after Canadian street race – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/02/police-grab-2-million-worth-of-cars-after-canadian-street-race/?&hpt=hp_c2)

[notjustforshow]

Great...it's being called "Fast and Furious Canada" as per CNN...

Not sure about the furious

[Tai Chi]

It made it to CNN

Police grab $2 million worth of cars after Canadian street race – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/02/police-grab-2-million-worth-of-cars-after-canadian-street-race/?&hpt=hp_c2)


Great....Vancouver is now one of the most race-able city in the world now...

[!Yaminashi]

Last time I checked, if you rat on your friends, you tend to get your ass beat...

When you're as skinny as these guys, what kind of beating could possibly happen?

[skippynixx]

^ hahahahaha

[Vspeed]

http://www.revscene.net/forums/648876-life-beautiful-vancouver.html

Any relation to this?

[originalhypa]

Not really. Its already been pointed out that the police can charge them with stunting, and all they need is witnesses to make that stick. The people who called in would probably have no issue testifying to see some spoiled kids lose their licenses and cars.

That seems like a pretty weak case if it's simply based on untrained eye witness accounts. I never took the BAR exam, but I'm pretty sure I could argue a win going up against the crown in a case without any hard evidence.

Remember, for someone to be prosecuted of a crime, the judge or jury must be 100% positive that they are guilty of the charges. 99% sure, 1% unsure means they will walk. Chances are, this won't go any further than the silly media posturing that RCMP are doing.

[InvisibleSoul]

High-end car race on highway enrages News1130.com readers - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/273039--high-end-car-race-on-highway-enrages-news1130-com-readers)

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Call it road-racing rage; there's no shortage of angry comments on this website after a group of young drivers was busted speeding in high-end, exotic sports cars along Highway 99.

md writes, "Who provided these idiots with these cars? They're idiots too! You can't buy respect. Unbelievable, and lucky no one got hurt or killed. Suspensions for all, cars sold. Proceeds to education."

Thirteen young drivers are facing charges after a group of exotic cars took over the highway south of Vancouver on Wednesday. They've been fined and have to pay impound costs.

There were three 2010 Lamborghini Gallardos, a 2007 Ferrari 599, a 2009 Audi R8, a 2012 Nissan GT-R, two 2010 Nissan GT-Rs, two 2010 Maserati Turismos, a 2011 Mercedes SL6, a 2011 Mercedes SLS, and 2005 Aston Martin DB9.

"What about some jail time for these wannabes?" writes an enraged grandmother. "They threatened the lives of hundreds of people! What about suspending their right to drive for at least 5 years til they have graduated from the diaper stage to something resembling adulthood?"

Vin Diesel writes, "What kind of penalty is a fine? The costs mean nothing to kids who can afford $200K sports cars."

Another commenter says, "The parents of these children need to be penalized too for their lack of judgement in allowing children to drive powerful vehicles without a valid drivers licence."
:lol

[Geoc]

Point being that if Matt Z was given a hyundai accent from his parents, his shitty personality and the way he was raised, this would still have happened and you would be reading on the CTV news " Hot import racer"

Not likely, if a kid with this attitude drives a hyundai accent, people will laugh if he drives in an attention seeking way. In other words, he won't be attracting attention.

But when you give him a super car, people will admire the car, which gives them the green light to do something reckless and go 'wee look at ME ME ME'

[insomniac]

Friend is just telling me that these goofs just posted on vansky or some board. Friend said they aren't bummed at all, instead they are happy or some shit. Can someone confirm?
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[FX35]

HAHAHA

Vancouver authorities sieze $2M in cars for street racing (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/02/vancouver-authorities-sieze-2m-in-cars-for-street-racing/)

[Volvo-brickster]

Lol... my first car was an 1980 volvo and the amount of stupid shit I did with a 2.1L carbureted 4 banger with 96hp was considerably more than what I'm doing with 330hp now. displacement/horse power restrictions will do nothing
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[achiam]

Who gives a crap who paid for the car? If you like to see boring ass cars next time dont go to the meets go to a mazda of honda dealership.

Exactly!
I currently don't even own a car and take transit to/fro work, but I'd MUCH rather look at expensive exotic cars rather than a piece of shit Civic or Integra (or whatever) with crappy mods paid for by a high school student's job.

[parm104]

Personally for me its not about "hating on what people have" I couldn't care less if some kid has a Ferrari that his parents bought him because although he did not earn it
Himself, somone in his family did Somthing right at some point that allowed them to get these cars, and good on them for it

My problem is with hongers with N's getting off basically Scott free when your way over the limit on a busy highway during the middle of the day, if those guys who raced up cypress got their cars impounded and sold off, why don't these guys as well? It's basically the same thing cops rolled up on the cypress guys after the fact and took their cars based on heresay

And as for hydes post there "poor people being jealous" I know at least 4-5 people/family friends etc who have 150k+ cars and these people can seemingly drive responsible, take advantage of the full ability of their car, and not make the news..

These hongers just have time on their hands and I'll go out on a limb and make the asumption that none of them including Matt zhang is michael shumacher (sp) if they didn't get caught now it would probably only be a matter of time before one of them was wrapped around a pole, probably for the better.
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Agreed to a certain extent but it's not the same thing. Cops didn't just pull up to those guys on Cypress...Those guys on Cypress were CLOCKED on the gun and the cop visually saw them race by them...

In order for the cars to be seized, the BC Civil Forfeiture Office needs to take over an asses the situation. They need some serious evidence against these guys to have a reason to take away their property. In the other case on Seymore, apart from them being actually caught by police, the also just nearly missed 3 pedestrians...That was a clear disregard for safety of others. These guys instead blocked off traffic and had a clear disregard for the rules of the road, the time of others, and the safety of their OWN...But that alone isn't enough merit to seize.

[taylor192]

That seems like a pretty weak case if it's simply based on untrained eye witness accounts. I never took the BAR exam, but I'm pretty sure I could argue a win going up against the crown in a case without any hard evidence.

Remember, for someone to be prosecuted of a crime, the judge or jury must be 100% positive that they are guilty of the charges. 99% sure, 1% unsure means they will walk. Chances are, this won't go any further than the silly media posturing that RCMP are doing.

You've never been to court. That 1% reasonable doubt crap is TV/movie bullshit. It doesn't take a trained eye to spot someone driving like a douchecanoe, and remember they aren't charged with speeding, they are charged with driving with undue care which does not require "hard evidence" and neither does the charge of stunt driving.

Regardless of all that, this is exactly why the impound rule has been enacted. The police were tired of people getting off in court via loopholes, so you get punished right away now. Justifying that someone can drive 200+ kmph and get off just cause the witness isn't "trained" is exactly the stupidity that lead to the impound laws.

Maybe if more people that broke the law actually manned up to it instead of wasting court time we wouldn't have the impound law.

[Tim Budong]

Friend is just telling me that these goofs just posted on vansky or some board. Friend said they aren't bummed at all, instead they are happy or some shit. Can someone confirm?
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they are happy cuz they wont be charged so heavily. this is a slap on the wrist to them
in which i say they should be publicly humiliated.
its not like they havent been

[skyxx]

A Comment left on Autoblog.

The owner of the 2009 R8 is a great friend of mine. We did a summer business program at USC together. These guys do car cruises to dinners or events regularly. They do sometime push the limits a little but not as much as these articles are suggesting they do. They bring the heat on closed circuits. My buddy with the R8 is an entrepreneur who started a business doing custom decaling on electronics and cars. He works hard and makes loads of money doing it. So don't be so quick to judge. Most of these guys are hard-working car enthusiasts who have a passion and live it. If you had an 800hp Lamborghini, would you do a constant 65mph on highways?

Apparently Matt runs a decal business. Hence why he can afford such a car.:fullofwin:

[taylor192]

I've seen a girl driving a white Maserati Gran Turismo around before, so my guess is that one.

I've seen a girl driving a white SLS so I figured that one.

[Jsunu]

Exactly!
I currently don't even own a car and take transit to/fro work, but I'd MUCH rather look at expensive exotic cars rather than a piece of shit Civic or Integra (or whatever) with crappy mods paid for by a high school student's job.

Oh no doubt, i love looking at exotics. But given the choice between having these douches showing up vs not showing up at all, i rather take the latter.

[mb_]

Gave Matt Zhang the benefit of the doubt even after what happened at the meet but his stupid comment just sealed the deal lol.

Back on topic; I'm a little iffy about this. The cops admitted that they didn't witness the 13 cars "racing"/speeding and were acting on witness accounts. But meh whatever lol makes for a good story I guess?

[Szeto]

no link to vansky posting yet!?

[CP.AR]

This is Vansky's own take on it by it's more general members

VanSky Auto Club ì$³µ±»¿ÛѺ13Á¾³µ£¬ÉÏÐÂÎŵçÊÓÁË£¬´ó¼Ò¿´ÁËô£¿ÎÒÌù³ö À´ÁË£¬ÓÐͼÓÐÖ¤¾Ý£¬VANSKY»ðÁË°¡|³µÐÐÌìÏ - Ìì¿Õ¾ãÀÖ²¿-www.vansky.com (http://www.vansky.com/cluB/read.php?tid=330516)

for anyone who can't read chinese (fuck I had so much trouble reading simplified @.@ traditional ftw) - it's all bashing the 13... with stuff like "this ain't the autobahn, take your shit elsehwere etc...

[Tai Chi]

Friend is just telling me that these goofs just posted on vansky or some board. Friend said they aren't bummed at all, instead they are happy or some shit. Can someone confirm?
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Yup they are happy and high, it's on ming pao newspaper.

[originalhypa]

You've never been to court. That 1% reasonable doubt crap is TV/movie bullshit. It doesn't take a trained eye to spot someone driving like a douchecanoe, and remember they aren't charged with speeding, they are charged with driving with undue care which does not require "hard evidence" and neither does the charge of stunt driving.

Ooops, I forgot that you know eyerything..... :lol

Except this, since you need hard evidence for any charge to stick. In many cases where an officer saw the illegal actions, the courts would typically side with the police. It's the word of the police against the accused, and the police will win that battle. But... there is a reason why the frenchie cochon focussed on the fact the crown has no hard evidence outside of witnesses. Unless the crown decides to put a case together based on the character of the witnesses versus the accused; it's not likely to go anywhere. They would have to prove character, then go ahead and prove the witnesses can visualize speed.

For the record, I don't have cable nor do I watch tv. But I was going to be a lawyer at one time...

Regardless of all that, this is exactly why the impound rule has been enacted. The police were tired of people getting off in court via loopholes, so you get punished right away now. Justifying that someone can drive 200+ kmph and get off just cause the witness isn't "trained" is exactly the stupidity that lead to the impound laws.

Regardless of what, justice?
Come on now! Even you, who is often blinded by your own ego can see that justice is more important than your hatred for some rich asians. Again, show me the radar that says 200kmh. My case would tear the witnesses a new arsehole by proving that they don't know the difference between a car passing at 139kmh (*under the max penalty) , 179kmh, and 209kmh. I guarantee that it's tougher than picking someone's age and weight at the PNE...

Maybe if more people that broke the law actually manned up to it instead of wasting court time we wouldn't have the impound law.

Oh yeah, I'm sure people are going to line up so the crown can seize there assets.

What are you smoking man?!

:lol

[Tim Budong]

MingPao just took this story to another level. Someone translate it for reals
Google Translate does no justice

original link to article
©ú³ø·s»Dºô®ü¥~ª© - ¥[¦èª©(·Å$ôµØ) - Canada Vancouver Chinese Newspaper - $n»D (http://www.mingpaovan.com/htm/news/20110902/vaa1h.htm)



Involved in road  car charged with
exposure of second-generation Chinese-rich "super sports car club"
Surrey intercepted the day before the team during off peak ultra-high time  car, driver charged with 13 cases involved. The newspaper got the news that the major part of the driver involved in a local Chinese "rich", a "super sports car club." The driver later in the Chinese social networking sites have more on the "published experience", some people criticized the police for false claims, said no remorse for the incident, and even take pictures of people, that later generations used to introduce "imposing history." Ming Pao reporter Feng  new

Chinese cars a local industry sources told us that the ultra-high team in Surrey Speed ​​events, vehicles and drivers are part of the local young people organized by a Chinese "super sports car club."

No shortage of celebrity parents

The majority of club members are all of China's "second generation", many parents are well-known business executives, and even the CPPCC members. These members in Greater Vancouver in school, wearing  tens of thousands of Canadian dollars to the list, thousands of Canadian dollars of high-end hand-held mobile phone, life is very rich.

Sources said the club had just founded with the police, in various promotional activities, "driving is not drinking," "open cars are not speeding" and other positive information. But with  several founders have returned to China after the completion of their studies, some members will not follow the club's original purpose was to start racing. He said these people do not care when the Canadian car traffic laws such as the "car stop to clear the path" approach is basically a reference to the way China's domestic racing, not just China's domestic car in rush hour commuting.

According to sources, the 13 drivers were stopped in a small number of international student identity. Also participated in several local luxury sports car club, but also in cars behind the club's logo affixed.

Social networks to talk about "imposing history"

Chinese drivers involved in some social network yesterday about the situation at the time, that was 14 cars to go with White Rock (White Rock), some drivers on the road racing, the result is a large number of complaints, "Whitehead's all about high-speed police to chase us, "the event and even in China are known.

One Chinese girl at the scene said, "Last to Whitehead, they are so run", was intercepted by the police for the helpless. Another driver that they "Today was Joseph (Northeast dialect, means blatantly show off) big," the entire matter is on the "Global TV", "there are two messages called" Ming Pao "has this news report.

"We did not want to show off what we did not give Chinese people more disgrace!" Most of the drivers about the event garnered a sorry word. Some drivers also criticized the "foreigners jealous of the Chinese people a good car", "Police are short of money," said Speed ​​was not, If, as the argument open to the outside 200 km per hour, can not be just the ticket to get 196 yuan.

Clarify not only with the car, "Speed"

In which the owner of an Audi R8, more active with local television stations yesterday, emphasizing the speed of these cars, "easily over 200 km," although some drivers do in Speed, but not all drivers are involved in illegal racing, some people just followed.

One of the men and women, even when the car was towed away by police at the car before the smiling photo "taken", write "car towed, and we said," very happy "." Trailer when another driver also captured a large number of photos, stressing that the "evidence of a young man crazy, look after the children and grandchildren to tell their father is also crazy too young."

http://www.mingpaovan.com/ftp/News/20110902/_02a13.jpg
the caption at the top of the photo says they are very happy

[originalhypa]

MY BRAIN IS FULL OF FUCK TO TRY READ THAT@! WHY I SMELL BURNING NOW!!>!@



Also, there will be no further charges.
http://www.vancouversun.com/evidence+pursue+more+charges+against+sport+drivers +speeding+convoy/5340015/story.html

justice reigns, and some asian kids get lucky.

[Spectre_Cdn]

MingPao just took this story to another level. Someone translate it for reals
Google Translate does no justice

original link to article
©ú³ø·s»Dºô®ü¥~ª© - ¥[¦èª©(·Å$ôµØ) - Canada Vancouver Chinese Newspaper - $n»D (http://www.mingpaovan.com/htm/news/20110902/vaa1h.htm)




其中一輛Audi R8的車主，昨日更主動與本地電視台聯繫，強調這批名車的速度「很容易過200公里」，雖然部分司機確實在 飛車，但並不是所有司機皆牽涉非法賽車，有些人只是跟在後面。

^This section refers to MattZhang calling Global, stating that these cars can easily exceed 200 km/h. "Although some of the drivers were racing, not all drivers were participating, and some were only following behind".

right...following behind at 200km/h?
:seriously:


其中一對男女，更在車子被警察拖走時，於愛車前微笑合影「留念」，寫上「車被拖了，我們表示『很開心』」。 另一名司機也在拖車時拍下大量相片，強調是「年輕時瘋狂的證據，以後給兒孫看，告訴他們爸爸年輕時也瘋狂過 」。

In addition to what darthchilli posted, the bolded section states that another driver took a large amount of photos as his car was being towed, emphasizing that [the photos] are proof of young adults being "wild", and said that he would give them to his children and grandchildren, telling them that their father participated in wild behaviour in his younger years.

:seriously:

[Geoc]

wow, I guess MingPao is owned by one of daddies friends :troll:

[dignatas]

can't believe mattzhang stabbed his friends on the back by saying he did not go 200 but others did on globaltv video.... HE DUN GOOF'D NOW...

[Gumby]

The thing that enrages me the most is that the punk asses who were caught think this is funny, and won't/haven't learned a single thing. :flamemad:

[dignatas]

The thing that enrages me the most is that the punk asses who were caught think this is funny, and won't/haven't learned a single thing. :flamemad:

they want their next generations of family to see that they were badasses with parents money... fucking goons are happy at those pics too. I would suicide if my parents were like that

[nns]

Decals for electronics? Trololol
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[GLOW]

In addition to what darthchilli posted, the bolded section states that another driver took a large amount of photos as his car was being towed, emphasizing that [the photos] are proof of young adults being "wild", and said that he would give them to his children and grandchildren, telling them that their father participated in wild behaviour in his younger years.

:seriously:

wouldn't that tell them that their father got pwnd?

just sayin'

[turbomelon]

Police grab $2 million worth of cars after Canadian street race – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/02/police-grab-2-million-worth-of-cars-after-canadian-street-race/comment-page-14/#comments)

Its interesting to see how the comments on the CNN article from the 'mericans seem more lighthearted than the massive amount of classist and racially motivated diatribes some people are putting forward locally.

[Szeto]

This is Vansky's own take on it by it's more general members

VanSky Auto Club ì$³µ±»¿ÛѺ13Á¾³µ£¬ÉÏÐÂÎŵçÊÓÁË£¬´ó¼Ò¿´ÁËô£¿ÎÒÌù³ö À´ÁË£¬ÓÐͼÓÐÖ¤¾Ý£¬VANSKY»ðÁË°¡|³µÐÐÌìÏ - Ìì¿Õ¾ãÀÖ²¿-www.vansky.com (http://www.vansky.com/cluB/read.php?tid=330516)

for anyone who can't read chinese (fuck I had so much trouble reading simplified @.@ traditional ftw) - it's all bashing the 13... with stuff like "this ain't the autobahn, take your shit elsehwere etc...

either vansky requires a login or someone has set some sort of block on it

[CP.AR]

MingPao just took this story to another level. Someone translate it for reals
Google Translate does no justice

original link to article
©ú³ø·s»Dºô®ü¥~ª© - ¥[¦èª©(·Å$ôµØ) - Canada Vancouver Chinese Newspaper - $n»D (http://www.mingpaovan.com/htm/news/20110902/vaa1h.htm)





http://www.mingpaovan.com/ftp/News/20110902/_02a13.jpg
the caption at the top of the photo says they are very happy

Here's my rough translation... paragraph by paragraph


Racing on a public freeway reveals 2nd generation Chinese wealthy kid “supercar club”
During the rush hour of Wednesday, a group of 13 Super Luxury cars was seized after the drivers were charged with street racing. MingPao Daily’s sources state that these cars originate from a local “2nd generation wealthy Chinese supercar club”. After the event, the drivers involved in this incident immediately went onto online social communities to “speak their hearts”, with some criticizing that the police were misguided. Nobody within the group of drivers express regret and there were even two people who took a picture so they can use it to show off this “proud moment in history” in the future.

Parents are not your average joe
The majority of this car club’s members have parents who are not your “average joe”. Most are well known high ranking corporate executives, with some others being members of government in China. Some of these international students come to Canada with tens of thousands of dollars in their pockets, and high end expensive mobile phones – living the luxurious lifestyle.

Sources tell that when the club was first created, it seemed to cooperate a lot with the police, with “Don’t drink and drive” and “don’t speed” banners present at each and every event. However, after the departure of the original club creators (due to graduation) the new members lost sight of the original intentions of the club, and started organizing illegal races in public streets. The participants have a complete disregard for the rules of the road, using the “blocking traffic” method to clear a gap ahead to allow for races. This method is commonly used in China for the same purposes of street racing, with the only exception that it has never been done in rush hour traffic.

Some of the accused drivers took to online social websites to speak of their experiences on Wednesday. They stated that at the time there were 14 vehicles heading to White Rock at the same time, when some of the drivers began to race on the freeway – which eventually caused a lot of complaints and calls into 911. One of the drivers said “One high speed pass and we had the entire White Rock police force after us”. This incident has since been passed onto mainland China.

One of the ladies who participated stated “last time we went to White Rock, they did the exact same thing” and feels helpless for the current situation. Another driver felt that some in the group were too keen on showing off – and overdid it a little.

Regarding the report on Global TV, members commented on the site and stated that it was just adding insult to injury – “we don’t need to show off! We don’t want to disgrace the Chinese any more!”. However, when most spoke of their experience, none express regret for their actions – to the point where they were saying that it was only white people who were jealous of the Chinese’s nice cars, and that the police were hungry for money. They also firmly state that they were not speeding/racing, as they would be slapped by a heavier fine more than $196.00 have they been going over the supposed 200km/h.

"I was only following, not racing"
The Owner/Driver of the Audi R8 contacted the local news outlet and claimed that these cars could “Easily achieve 200km/h” and that though only a few participated in the race, not all participated – these only followed behind.
One couple belonging to the club took a “happy photo” in front of their beloved car as a “memory”, with the caption “My car is being towed, very happy”. Another member took a mass of photos as the police dealt with the situation, as to show his grandkids one day that he too had crazy teenager days.

[van_driver]

Police grab $2 million worth of cars after Canadian street race – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/02/police-grab-2-million-worth-of-cars-after-canadian-street-race/comment-page-14/#comments)

Its interesting to see how the comments on the CNN article from the 'mericans seem more lighthearted than the massive amount of classist and racially motivated diatribes some people are putting forward locally.

thats because they don't know that all these cars are owned by asians

I'll bet they think its all young caucasian kids... I'm sure they would be 10x more racist if they knew.. not that i care or anything

[Greenstoner]

damn, although i cant see the chick's face.. but her hair style and her hand gesture reminds me of Japsnese porn cover

makes me wannaa bukake all over her face along with 13 of my buddies

[Tim Budong]

Captain Picard...Thank you for the translation

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

http://www.boomtron.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/judge-dredd-sylvester-stallone.jpg
suddenly everyone's fuckin' judge dredd lol.


http://www.mingpaovan.com/ftp/News/20110902/_02a13.jpg
i wanna see pics of that girls face. she looks like your typical fun, easy, carefree, pretty mainlander.
who is she? that's more important than any of this other bullshit lol.


they're mainlanders, wtf do you guys expect.

it's like indians being cheap. japanese being weird, koreans being angry and mainlanders doing whatever the fuck they want. it's the universal law of asians.

you see, if they can do it, and they feel like doing it, they will do it. because they can.

you guys don't for whatever distorted moralistic reason, but they can, and they will, and they'll get away with it cuz nothing bad came out of it, and you'll get angry because they have more money than your entire family ever will in their life times.

isn't that why we all wish we were rich? isnt that the point of money? don't be hypocrites. you'd all fuckin do the same thing if you were them.

i'd be the first in line.

[CP.AR]

^ thank you for having chrissie chau as your picture

[originalhypa]

Its interesting to see how the comments on the CNN article from the 'mericans seem more lighthearted than the massive amount of classist and racially motivated diatribes some people are putting forward locally.

Now I'm just as racist and redneck as anyone, but even I'm shocked at the misdirected hatred for these kids. People want blood, not because of the crime, but because these kids have more than they do.

That's fucked up in so many ways.

[Ch28]

2 more retards got caught today HAHAHA :lol

Two 17-year-olds caught going 143 km/hr up Cypress Mtn. - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/273215--two-17-year-olds-caught-going-143-km-hr-up-cypress-mtn)

Two 17-year-olds caught going 143 km/hr up Cypress Mtn.

WEST VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Police have yet again seized high-end cars from young drivers going way too fast. This time the teenagers were caught racing up Cypress Mountain Road.

West Vancouver Police Corporal Jag Johal says the drivers, both with 'N's' in their back windows, sped past a patrol car. "And these two vehicles were clocked on our laser at 143 km/hr. That's 80 km/hr over the speed limit," Johal notes.

One of the drivers lost control and was arrested. His buddy was found hiding at a nearby school. One had been driving a brand new Porsche, the other a BMW. Both cars have been seized and the drivers handed fines and 15-day suspensions.

[Tim Budong]

2 more retards got caught today HAHAHA :lol

Two 17-year-olds caught going 143 km/hr up Cypress Mtn. - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/273215--two-17-year-olds-caught-going-143-km-hr-up-cypress-mtn)

Two 17-year-olds caught going 143 km/hr up Cypress Mtn.

WEST VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Police have yet again seized high-end cars from young drivers going way too fast. This time the teenagers were caught racing up Cypress Mountain Road.

West Vancouver Police Corporal Jag Johal says the drivers, both with 'N's' in their back windows, sped past a patrol car. "And these two vehicles were clocked on our laser at 143 km/hr. That's 80 km/hr over the speed limit," Johal notes.

One of the drivers lost control and was arrested. His buddy was found hiding at a nearby school. One had been driving a brand new Porsche, the other a BMW. Both cars have been seized and the drivers handed fines and 15-day suspensions.

These nice cars are ruining it for everyone
doesnt matter who or what drives em...

[CharlieH]

lol....these guy let the cops tow theirs cars with no hard evidence against them?? :fuckthatshit:
I would give the cops shit if they wanted to tow my car just because "someone" said I was speeding

sounds like a bunch of pussies who can't even stand up and talk back to the cops by themselves

calm down there tough guy. i'm willing to bet that none of these kids are even canadian citizens, and a criminal record of any sort could hinder their chances at immigration. therefore it would be seriously unwise to try to start shit with or "talk back to the cops".

[mkings]

Is it it me, or am i seeing more and more Mattzhang fails. :facepalm:

[clowe]

“we don’t need to show off! We don’t want to disgrace the Chinese any more!”. However, when most spoke of their experience, none express regret for their actions – to the point where they were saying that it was only white people who were jealous of the Chinese’s nice cars

One couple belonging to the club took a “happy photo” in front of their beloved car as a “memory”, with the caption “My ar is being towed, very happy”. Another member took a mass of photos as the police dealt with the situation, as to show his grandkids one day that he too had crazy teenager days.

I'm Chinese and I have way more respect for a caucasian kid who had to work for the 2nd or 3rd hand car that they purchased with their own money than these 13 Chinese kids combined.

[shawnly1000]

LOL spotted photos of him/screenshot of a Facebook comment on a CTV clip/segment following up on the incident

[odishaw]

Ooops, I forgot that you know eyerything..... :lol

Except this, since you need hard evidence for any charge to stick. In many cases where an officer saw the illegal actions, the courts would typically side with the police. It's the word of the police against the accused, and the police will win that battle. But... there is a reason why the frenchie cochon focussed on the fact the crown has no hard evidence outside of witnesses. Unless the crown decides to put a case together based on the character of the witnesses versus the accused; it's not likely to go anywhere. They would have to prove character, then go ahead and prove the witnesses can visualize speed.

For the record, I don't have cable nor do I watch tv. But I was going to be a lawyer at one time...



Regardless of what, justice?
Come on now! Even you, who is often blinded by your own ego can see that justice is more important than your hatred for some rich asians. Again, show me the radar that says 200kmh. My case would tear the witnesses a new arsehole by proving that they don't know the difference between a car passing at 139kmh (*under the max penalty) , 179kmh, and 209kmh. I guarantee that it's tougher than picking someone's age and weight at the PNE...



Oh yeah, I'm sure people are going to line up so the crown can seize there assets.

What are you smoking man?!

:lol


i agree with the bold statement...

[Great68]

MY BRAIN IS FULL OF FUCK TO TRY READ THAT@! WHY I SMELL BURNING NOW!!>!@



Also, there will be no further charges.
No evidence to pursue more charges against sport car drivers in speeding convoy (http://www.vancouversun.com/evidence+pursue+more+charges+against+sport+drivers +speeding+convoy/5340015/story.html)

justice reigns, and some asian kids get lucky.

Good.

Now I hope they get some good lawyers and sue for impoundment without evidence.

Although I don't usually sound like it here, I generally respect the police. But, Fuck that french pig and his media posturing.

[CP.AR]

I'm Chinese and I have way more respect for a caucasian kid who had to work for the 2nd or 3rd hand car that they purchased with their own money than these 13 Chinese kids combined.

QFT.

[LP700-4]

i agree with the bold statement...

Me too, but Matt kind of messed that up by telling the media that some did go over 200km/h

[Culture_Vulture]

Now I'm just as racist and redneck as anyone, but even I'm shocked at the misdirected hatred for these kids. People want blood, not because of the crime, but because these kids have more than they do.

That's fucked up in so many ways.
Two sides to that token.

Sure, they're wealthy. Sure, we want to be like them.
But unlike them, most people, to a certain extent, have respect for our public roads. You don't see owners of exotics in their late 40's or 50's doing this type of shit now, do you? You don't see enthusiast boards like REVScene arranging these types of high speed "cruises", do you? So why is it acceptable for them to do it? Because they're rich?

When Larry Chu claimed he was doing 200 on a regular basis, the same type of hate was incited towards him; not because his daddy bought him a powder-puff blue S2K, but because he was a retard.

I would assume a big number of people "misdirecting" hate in this incident know first hand just how retarded these spoiled kids can get.

[Culture_Vulture]

MY BRAIN IS FULL OF FUCK TO TRY READ THAT@! WHY I SMELL BURNING NOW!!>!@



Also, there will be no further charges.
No evidence to pursue more charges against sport car drivers in speeding convoy (http://www.vancouversun.com/evidence+pursue+more+charges+against+sport+drivers +speeding+convoy/5340015/story.html)

justice reigns, and some asian kids get lucky.

"Not too many of them were in low spirits," Hanney said of the drivers, adding that one asked to have his car, a blue Lamborghini, towed to his home, because he had a trip planned to Los Angeles the next day."


On a side note, this made me lol.

[odishaw]

agreed.

but did he just throw the others under the bus for the better of himself in the situation.. maybe he got nervous with the whole situation and how it could play out, still doesn't mean anyone was going 200km..

i dunno. im on the fence.

[Vale46Rossi]

I don't know why are people targeting their families and what not.....


It's the drivers fault not the cars... I have been a rider in a prelude meet and they are just like this....

The driver does the driving and decisions not the car

[dangonay]

So I wonder what people think of these two that just got caught at Cypress? Now we have a police officer witnessing the speeding, a clocked speed on a laser gun (even erring on the low side they were still excessively over the limit), there were two people racing together (so it's an actual street racing incident) and to top it off one guy loses control of his car and the other goes and hides in the bushes to evade capture.

Could they have done anything else to guarantee an attempt by the Crown to try to forfeit their vehicles? Or will the "slippery slope" people still claim there isn't enough evidence?
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[Cossack]

These kids have lot of money, the problem with tickets will be solved once their layers step in...
I dont think they will learn the lesson

[Incentive]

Some footage of the cruise before being intercepted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZNlQqkiP9U

[parm104]

So I wonder what people think of these two that just got caught at Cypress? Now we have a police officer witnessing the speeding, a clocked speed on a laser gun (even erring on the low side they were still excessively over the limit), there were two people racing together (so it's an actual street racing incident) and to top it off one guy loses control of his car and the other goes and hides in the bushes to evade capture.

Could they have done anything else to guarantee an attempt by the Crown to try to forfeit their vehicles? Or will the "slippery slope" people still claim there isn't enough evidence?
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As I mentioned earlier, in order for BC Civil Forfeiture Office to take control, there have to be SEVERAL mitigating factors going against the people being charged...

A simple speeding ticket and street racing charge has yet to be enough to get the BC Civil Forfeiture Office to take over. They take over when there is evidence of public safety being compromised...Not just a potential of it being compromised but it ACTUALLY being compromised. Like in the case of the Ferrari and M6, these guys almost hit 3 different pedestrians. That was a mitigating factor. They had 5 factors compiled before they got BC Civil Forfeiture Office to take over and seize the vehicles.

[Marco911]

They weren't charged for speeding. The police officer I saw commenting outright said they could only charge them with "driving with undue care and attention". He also stated they could only charge them based on the evidence they had, which is why nobody was charged for speeding or excessive speeding.

I don't see why people are getting upset - the police didn't charge anyone for speeding based on the estimates of another untrained driver, despite the press saying stupid things like "they were going 200 km/h".
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Yeah, so they didn't have much evidence at that point. How can they impound a car for 7 days based on having no evidence of any serious driving offence? Don't get me wrong, I think these guys are all douches, but I shall always stand on the side of justice.

[observer]

They weren't charged for speeding. The police officer I saw commenting outright said they could only charge them with "driving with undue care and attention". He also stated they could only charge them based on the evidence they had, which is why nobody was charged for speeding or excessive speeding.

I don't see why people are getting upset - the police didn't charge anyone for speeding based on the estimates of another untrained driver, despite the press saying stupid things like "they were going 200 km/h".
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Yes, and that is the ironic part. What evidence do they have that they were driving with undue care and attention?

A few mysterious calls from untrained individuals who will most likely not testify anyway?

[parm104]

Another ironic part is that these guys apparently have no regard for other people and do whatever they can for their own enjoyment. They "show" no remorse for what they have done and are smiling about the whole situation, as far as we know. Yet, a 16 page thread here with 1000's of views and 100's of posts on giving these guys more fame...

Publicity and fame is still publicity and fame regardless of whether it's negative and/or hating on them. They're in the news all over North America and are probably enjoying there 5 seconds of fame as much as they can.

[Marco911]

All you idiots thinking these guys deserve to have their cars impounded and licenses revoked are just as bad as the commie thinking where these folks come from.

I don't think it is correct to broadly tarnish the actions of a few against the entire group, which is what the police have done here. If there are witness reports against a few cars, target those drivers which have been reported. To charge everyone and impound all the vehicles before all the evidence has been collected is an outrage.

[JoeyStorm]

I'm Chinese and I have way more respect for a caucasian kid who had to work for the 2nd or 3rd hand car that they purchased with their own money than these 13 Chinese kids combined.

This is what I'm talking about. In this world, if you're a man you work for your money and you buy your own car.

It shouldn't bother me at all when I see some nice exotic car (or even a beamer) with a N sign on the back, but it does. But hey, I'm happy for them, they got all this money and they don't need to work for it.

[GotRice?]

aren't these idiots from mm design??
No evidence to pursue more charges against sport car drivers in speeding convoy (http://www.vancouversun.com/million+sports+cars+impounded+after+Surrey+highway +race/5340015/story.html)

[LP700-4]

It's the SLS and GTR from MM Design, most of others are SR
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[TouringTeg]

aren't these idiots from mm design??
No evidence to pursue more charges against sport car drivers in speeding convoy (http://www.vancouversun.com/million+sports+cars+impounded+after+Surrey+highway +race/5340015/story.html)

Can someone explain how they were able to impound the vehicles if they weren't charged with excessive speeding (40km/h + over)?

Just 200kms on one car? Damn.

Also I wonder what happened to the Ferrari that was forfeited in the article.

[parm104]

"We don't have police officers who observed the offence, and we don't have lasers and radars that have the speeds," Gaumont said. "We have to really depend on third-party individuals who had called in."


Like I had said several times. Hearsay and untrained witnesses, 3rd-party testimony isn't sufficient for primary evidence. If these guys disputed their charges in a court of law, they would win and be exempt from ALL charges, could possibly even countersue for loss of enjoyment, and degradation of character...

I love how this is the first time they called it a "speeding convoy" rather than street racers.

[LP700-4]

Can someone explain how they were able to impound the vehicles if they weren't charged with excessive speeding (40km/h + over)?

Just 200kms on one car? Damn.

Also I wonder what happened to the Ferrari that was forfeited in the article.

Wasnt the Scuderia auctioned off for like 200k or something?

[parm104]

Can someone explain how they were able to impound the vehicles if they weren't charged with excessive speeding (40km/h + over)?

Just 200kms on one car? Damn.

Also I wonder what happened to the Ferrari that was forfeited in the article.

At the time, RCMP believe/believed that they had reasonable evidence to follow through with the temporary seizure of the vehicles and administration of tickets. They felt that they had enough evidence to say that they were driving without due care and that they were a danger to the public.

As I mentioned, this "reasonable evidence" has turned out to be nothing more than a few eyewitness accounts that have yet to be corroborated. It is possible for the police to use these eyewitnesses as evidence against the group or its members, but as it has been reported, eyewitness stories have not been consistent and therefore making them unusable.

As for the auction, I believe the car is still in possession of the Provincial Government. It takes a LONG time for a car especially to be auctioned off. I'm not exactly sure why but from the time they post it on their website for auctioning, almost 6 months goes by before it actually goes up for auction.

[LP700-4]

Here's the winning bid for the Scuderia from bcauctions.ca:

2008 Ferrari F430 Scuderia

A70892
Published date: 2011/02/01
Closing Date: 2011/02/08 22:00
$170,001.69

A buyer with the user name chinesefood is the new owner.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/636628-08-ferrari-scuderia-sale-bcauctions-ca.html

[cressydrift]

All you idiots thinking these guys deserve to have their cars impounded and licenses revoked are just as bad as the commie thinking where these folks come from.

I don't think it is correct to broadly tarnish the actions of a few against the entire group, which is what the police have done here. If there are witness reports against a few cars, target those drivers which have been reported. To charge everyone and impound all the vehicles before all the evidence has been collected is an outrage.

Guilt by association.

These kids driving high speed weapons have no idea of what they could have done. Some of them may have been wrongfully accused but the police had to make an example out of them and put the msg out there that this will not be tolerated. Its not like they were at some industrial area at 3 am in the middle of no where with no one around and racing, they were on hwy 99 in the middle of RUSH HOUR traffic. Plus they were travelling as a group. The people that "weren't speeding" could have drove normally and distanced themselves from the GROUP.

Furthermore they can't let these guys off with a slap on the wrist because what kind of msg does that send to the public? I don't want my girl friend killed by some noob in a 500hp Lambo, or anyone street racing or speeding when shes driving home from work (RUSH HOUR) because he/she thinks there A. Senna and can get away with anything with no repercussions. This is why I choose not to drive like a dumb ass, because if I ever hit someones kid, parent, partner w.e I could never ever live it down. I was young too, and if I had one of these cars now or then it would be so hard not to drive it fast. You have to play by the rules though, see your opportunities, and be a man when caught.

With the whole impoundment issue, say someone was breaking into my house, and my friend down the road saw it and called the police, but when the police arrived the guy was already outside and didn't have anything on him. Did the police need to see him commit the act to arrest him? Would they believe the witness and trust him or would they say nope we didn't see him do it theres nothing we can do?

That is why I believe the impoundment of their cars is justified. Multiple witness reports, admission of guilt by Matt Z (Who I watched in the cul-d-sac below adessa drive like a dumb ass at the meet. NOT HIS FRIEND). Divers belonging to a club which promotes high speed driving, and the fact that most of the drivers had restricted licences with strict penalties regarding un-safe driving.

Plus now CTV is probably working on some stupid report titled " How safe are N drivers, should we have the driving age lifted to 40?" Fuck these kids and fuck CTV.

[LenovoTurbo]

Not surprised when the next RS meet happens, our Civics/Integras/240s/TSXs etc pre-meet group cruising to RS is going to get called in for street racing just because we are traveling in huge groups and look/sound fast.

Have your dash cams running lol.

[unit]

just wondering, did any of these guys deny that they were going 200?

[Tim Budong]

just wondering, did any of these guys deny that they were going 200?

Good question. I doubt it tho.
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[dangonay]

It would be good if the individuals who didn't do anything wrong (or weren't directly identified by witnesses) challenged this in court to get their tickets cancelled and impound fees returned (along with something extra for the hassle).

This would send a message to the cops that they can't apply the "guilty by association" reasoning to impound all of the cars and might make them think twice about it next time.


But you know that won't happen. These guys will pay the fines, pick up their cars and never bother to dispute or fight it. Because they don't give a fuck about the money and they sure as hell don't give a fuck about setting any sort of precedent that might help out one of us down the road if we find ourselves in a similar situation. They don't care about anyone or anything outside their little "bubble" they live in.

It's for that reason alone I'm glad they all got impounded, even if some of them didn't deserve it. If you don't stand up for yourself then you're a POS in my books and deserve whatever comes your way.

[dignatas]

just wondering, did any of these guys deny that they were going 200?

did you not hear mattzhangs testimonial statement the police stated? He claimed that some people were drag racing 200km where some was following and going in the limit. Basically ratting some guys and saying he didn't do it. HE DUN GOOF

[wstce92]

Guilt by association.

These kids driving high speed weapons have no idea of what they could have done. Some of them may have been wrongfully accused but the police had to make an example out of them and put the msg out there that this will not be tolerated. Its not like they were at some industrial area at 3 am in the middle of no where with no one around and racing, they were on hwy 99 in the middle of RUSH HOUR traffic. Plus they were travelling as a group. The people that "weren't speeding" could have drove normally and distanced themselves from the GROUP.

Furthermore they can't let these guys off with a slap on the wrist because what kind of msg does that send to the public? I don't want my girl friend killed by some noob in a 500hp Lambo, or anyone street racing or speeding when shes driving home from work (RUSH HOUR) because he/she thinks there A. Senna and can get away with anything with no repercussions. This is why I choose not to drive like a dumb ass, because if I ever hit someones kid, parent, partner w.e I could never ever live it down. I was young too, and if I had one of these cars now or then it would be so hard not to drive it fast. You have to play by the rules though, see your opportunities, and be a man when caught.

With the whole impoundment issue, say someone was breaking into my house, and my friend down the road saw it and called the police, but when the police arrived the guy was already outside and didn't have anything on him. Did the police need to see him commit the act to arrest him? Would they believe the witness and trust him or would they say nope we didn't see him do it theres nothing we can do?

That is why I believe the impoundment of their cars is justified. Multiple witness reports, admission of guilt by Matt Z (Who I watched in the cul-d-sac below adessa drive like a dumb ass at the meet. NOT HIS FRIEND). Divers belonging to a club which promotes high speed driving, and the fact that most of the drivers had restricted licences with strict penalties regarding un-safe driving.

Plus now CTV is probably working on some stupid report titled " How safe are N drivers, should we have the driving age lifted to 40?" Fuck these kids and fuck CTV.

So if some guy gets his house broken into, neighbor sees a man dressed in dark clothing breaking into it; you happen to walk by on a night walk or whatever, cops come, neighbor points at you and says, hey that's the guy dressed in dark clothing who broke in. Then its ok for you to get arrested and questioned?

Yeah it seems stupid that if someone blatantly breaks into your house, but on the street by the time the cops get here, they don't get arrested. But you have to think about it from both ways. How unfair it is if you're out on a walk and end up getting arrested or even just questioned in a demeaning way because a neighbor can't tell white/yellow/brown/black people apart?

What if you're my neighbor and I hate your kid, and decide to vandalize my own car and tell the cops I saw your kid do it?

I'm not saying these kids didn't speed; in fact, I'd put money on the fact that they WERE blasting down the highway at high speed. BUT if a super car drives by you, going the speed limit, a few obnoxious taps on the throttle will sound like a rocket, and you too would think they were speeding. So regardless of how many witnesses claim they were speeding, you can't know for sure, and as a result, its complete bullshit for the impounding of their cars.

I bet you 99% of the average, non-police, population would perceive a Lambo going 80km/hr with the owner being obnoxious with the exhaust as faster than a Civic going 120km/hr.

[GabAlmighty]

Cliffs on thread direction?

[JD¹³]

Cliffs on thread direction?
http://www.bpqd.org/soap.jpg
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[GabAlmighty]

:Popcorn do continue

[Lomac]

Guess I'll chime in, even though the thread is starting to die down. While I agree that if these guys were doing what the media is claiming they did (which, admittedly, isn't that hard to believe, though I know first hand just how distorted some of these reporters like to make their stories), then they should pay. However, I don't agree that their cars should be impounded based on eyewitnesses alone, especially when the officers haven't even talked to them prior to calling in the tow trucks.

A few years ago me and a few buddies from another car club were on a cruise to Banff for a car meet. We were rolling down the Trans-Canada when a cop car on the side of the road pulled all of us over just outside of Three Valley Gap. Apparently someone had called us in for "driving like idiots" (the cop's direct quote from what he was told by dispatch). Now the funny thing is that we genuinely weren't. We were all going with the flow of traffic, which admittedly was occasionally above the speed limit, but nothing we were doing could have been remotely considered dangerous or even slightly idiotic. The only thing distinguishing our cars from everyone else was that we were all in lowered sports cars with various forms of tuned exhausts and BOV's chirping. Nothing out of the ordinary was happening.

Now take all these new impounds happening. Our cars could have been towed away at the cops whim simply based on what someone said on the phone? It could have been something as simple as one of us accidentally cutting this person off that caused them to call in to complain about our convoy. Would that suddenly make it okay for the officer to impound all of our cars? No.

I think it's stupid that no new precedent will come out of this event because chances are some will simply drive without a licence (those with an N will get suspended, but hell... I doubt they'll care) and some will pay the fine and go on with their life. I doubt any of these guys will bother fighting the cars being impounded and that's a shame.

Again, I would like to stress that chances are they probably were doing enough shit to justify multiple people calling them in, but without actual proof, they shouldn't have had their cars impounded.

[observer]

did you not hear mattzhangs testimonial statement the police stated? He claimed that some people were drag racing 200km where some was following and going in the limit. Basically ratting some guys and saying he didn't do it. HE DUN GOOF

Probably wanted to be a police witness to attempt to have his charges dropped. Shows his character.

[Marco911]

Guilt by association.

These kids driving high speed weapons have no idea of what they could have done. Some of them may have been wrongfully accused but the police had to make an example out of them and put the msg out there that this will not be tolerated.

Furthermore they can't let these guys off with a slap on the wrist because what kind of msg does that send to the public?

Get a clue on how the law works. The law doesn't "make an example" out of people who are innocent. If you want to live in such a society, move to a banana republic.

[Marco911]

But you know that won't happen. These guys will pay the fines, pick up their cars and never bother to dispute or fight it. Because they don't give a fuck about the money and they sure as hell don't give a fuck about setting any sort of precedent that might help out one of us down the road if we find ourselves in a similar situation. They don't care about anyone or anything outside their little "bubble" they live in.



You are probably right that these guys will just pay the fine if they could. Remember that they are all young and probably uneducated about how our justice system works. For the N drivers, who might lose their license because of this, I suspect they might dispute the ticket but the charges will never see traffic court and the cops will drop the charge.

If this happened to me, I would dispute, and after the charges are dropped, I would sue for all costs incurred.

[Marco911]

I agree they need better evidence to proceed further with these individuals (especially if they try to apply to seize their vehicles).

However, I don't agree with people's comments about drivers not making good witnesses. People have used the example that someone who doesn't like you could call in and report you and you could get a ticket/fine/whatever simply based on the word of an individual.

"There's a bunch of exotic cars driving erratically on HWY 99. There's a Maserati and an AM blocking traffic and a GTR racing a Lambo at speeds over 200. There's an R8, a couple of Skylines, a Ferrari, Lambo....."

Which drivers should be charged? All of 'em? The witnesses will fall for "guilt by association" too, just like everyone else in this thread until I pointed out that these people needed to be treated like individuals who commit individual infractions.

[MDMA]

These kids dun goofed pretty bad
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[dangonay]

You are probably right that these guys will just pay the fine if they could. Remember that they are all young and probably uneducated about how our justice system works. For the N drivers, who might lose their license because of this, I suspect they might dispute the ticket but the charges will never see traffic court and the cops will drop the charge.

If this happened to me, I would dispute, and after the charges are dropped, I would sue for all costs incurred.
I always fight or dispute anything that happens to me, whether it be through small claims court or traffic court. Though I've never had to dispute anything traffic related in over 10 years simply because I don't drive like a dick.

"There's a bunch of exotic cars driving erratically on HWY 99. There's a Maserati and an AM blocking traffic and a GTR racing a Lambo at speeds over 200. There's an R8, a couple of Skylines, a Ferrari, Lambo....."

Which drivers should be charged? All of 'em? The witnesses will fall for "guilt by association" too, just like everyone else in this thread until I pointed out that these people needed to be treated like individuals who commit individual infractions.
No, of course not.

For example, several of those cars had personalized plates - easy to spot and remember. If more than one person called giving the same license plate/vehicle description then I think that's enough. If two cars were blocking traffic, I think the odds those cars had their license plates taken down would be very high. How fast the cars in front were going is irrelevant - that would be enough to charge the blockers in my books. If the speeders were in front of the blockers and waited before taking off in a race, and had their plates taken down as well, then I also think that's enough to charge them with racing regardless of how fast they actually went.

If the witnesses were in court (which they would be required to do if things were challenged) a defense lawyer could tear them a new one pretty quick if they were being vague and couldn't identify a specific car.

[Araaadi]

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[Marco911]

I always fight or dispute anything that happens to me, whether it be through small claims court or traffic court. Though I've never had to dispute anything traffic related in over 10 years simply because I don't drive like a dick.


No, of course not.

For example, several of those cars had personalized plates - easy to spot and remember. If more than one person called giving the same license plate/vehicle description then I think that's enough. If two cars were blocking traffic, I think the odds those cars had their license plates taken down would be very high. How fast the cars in front were going is irrelevant - that would be enough to charge the blockers in my books. If the speeders were in front of the blockers and waited before taking off in a race, and had their plates taken down as well, then I also think that's enough to charge them with racing regardless of how fast they actually went.

If the witnesses were in court (which they would be required to do if things were challenged) a defense lawyer could tear them a new one pretty quick if they were being vague and couldn't identify a specific car.

Haha. The blockers should be the last people that should be charged with an offense. Last time I drove on a Vancouver hwy, it seemed to be a common practice for morons to hog the left lane and drive beside a car on the right effectively doing the same thing as these blockers.

[odishaw]

^ lol i was just gunna say something along those lines. the blockers are the ones that are the least guilty out of the bunch if anything.

[rJZx]

If we were N drivers and we were given super cars with a dozen of our friends... im pretty sure we would do the exact same thing.

[falcon]

These kids dun goofed pretty bad
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Consequences will never be the same... :fullofwin:

[dangonay]

Haha. The blockers should be the last people that should be charged with an offense. Last time I drove on a Vancouver hwy, it seemed to be a common practice for morons to hog the left lane and drive beside a car on the right effectively doing the same thing as these blockers.
You're comparing stupid slow drivers who don't move over to a pair of conspiring drivers who specifically hold up traffic for a single purpose (to let their buddies have a race)?

[Soundy]

Guess I'll chime in, even though the thread is starting to die down. While I agree that if these guys were doing what the media is claiming they did (which, admittedly, isn't that hard to believe, though I know first hand just how distorted some of these reporters like to make their stories), then they should pay. However, I don't agree that their cars should be impounded based on eyewitnesses alone, especially when the officers haven't even talked to them prior to calling in the tow trucks.
We don't know if that's the case, though. We have a few brief, sensationalistic news stories to draw from, none of which are likely to have all the facts, and few of which are likely even providing all the facts they DO have.

We don't know if some of the witnesses were off-duty cops or other people who would be trained and/or experienced in estimating speed. We don't know if air support got there in time to still see some of them speeding. We don't know whether traffic cameras were employed to watch their movements - it would be really easy to estimate speeds based on the known distance between two cameras.

We do know that most of them were finally stopped on White Rock surface streets; however, we don't know whether some of them were still speeding and/or trying to avoid the cops, because that's not as spectacular a story as the "200km/h street racing in rush hour" aspect.


A few years ago me and a few buddies from another car club were on a cruise to Banff for a car meet. We were rolling down the Trans-Canada when a cop car on the side of the road pulled all of us over just outside of Three Valley Gap. Apparently someone had called us in for "driving like idiots" (the cop's direct quote from what he was told by dispatch). Now the funny thing is that we genuinely weren't. We were all going with the flow of traffic, which admittedly was occasionally above the speed limit, but nothing we were doing could have been remotely considered dangerous or even slightly idiotic. The only thing distinguishing our cars from everyone else was that we were all in lowered sports cars with various forms of tuned exhausts and BOV's chirping. Nothing out of the ordinary was happening.

Now take all these new impounds happening. Our cars could have been towed away at the cops whim simply based on what someone said on the phone? It could have been something as simple as one of us accidentally cutting this person off that caused them to call in to complain about our convoy. Would that suddenly make it okay for the officer to impound all of our cars? No.
There's a big difference between one person phoning in... and many, possibly dozens of people phoning in.

I know a guy who was busted once just outside of Whistler after *at least* a dozen people phoned in complaints of him passing on double lines, passing on the right, generally driving like an idiot... keep in mind that this was some 23 years ago, when the highway was a lot narrower, a lot more winding, a lot more dangerous... and every single person who wanted to complain would have had to find a pay phone to stop at.

Again, I would like to stress that chances are they probably were doing enough shit to justify multiple people calling them in, but without actual proof, they shouldn't have had their cars impounded.
But again, we DON'T KNOW how much actual proof/evidence there was/wasn't. Unless you have access to police reports that the rest of us don't....

[Jayhall]

wow, so many people want these peoples licences revoked, jail time ect. I hope you all find yourselve in a situation where you are wrongfully accused and have the book thrown at you. Whether these guys and gal were speeding or not, there has to be proof. IF THERE IS PROOF they totally deserve what ever harsh punishment they get.

I got this exact ticket once upon a time, so did 12 other drivers I was driving with. We were also going to get food. We had a couple complaints for one reason or another and we were blanketed with the same $196 fine and 6 points. When my day in court came I didnt even get a chance to say "not guilty" The judge had me identify myself and the cop said "Id like to enter a plea of no evidence" I walked, so did everyone else. Funny enough air 1 did follow us that night, and 1 week later at a REVSCENE meet I spoke to the pilot who admited we didnt break the law beyond "minor speeding"

Again, yes they deserve punishment. But this is Canada they have to be proven guilty before that happens. Im on their side until they are proven guilty. AND if they did what they are being accused of, I hope they get what they deserve.

[greendb7]

I personally don't give a shit and find it slightly amusing of you people argueing.

[Marco911]

wow, so many people want these peoples licences revoked, jail time ect. I hope you all find yourselve in a situation where you are wrongfully accused and have the book thrown at you. Whether these guys and gal were speeding or not, there has to be proof. IF THERE IS PROOF they totally deserve what ever harsh punishment they get.

I got this exact ticket once upon a time, so did 12 other drivers I was driving with. We were also going to get food. We had a couple complaints for one reason or another and we were blanketed with the same $196 fine and 6 points. When my day in court came I didnt even get a chance to say "not guilty" The judge had me identify myself and the cop said "Id like to enter a plea of no evidence" I walked, so did everyone else. Funny enough air 1 did follow us that night, and 1 week later at a REVSCENE meet I spoke to the pilot who admited we didnt break the law beyond "minor speeding"

Again, yes they deserve punishment. But this is Canada they have to be proven guilty before that happens. Im on their side until they are proven guilty. AND if they did what they are being accused of, I hope they get what they deserve.

I'm glad you disputed and had your day in court. I'm annoyed that the crown chose to pursue charges until your day in court rather than sending you a letter indicating they would drop the ticket. Guess they were hoping you wouldn't show up and get convicted of an offense you didn't commit.

[LP700-4]

wow, so many people want these peoples licences revoked, jail time ect. I hope you all find yourselve in a situation where you are wrongfully accused and have the book thrown at you. Whether these guys and gal were speeding or not, there has to be proof. IF THERE IS PROOF they totally deserve what ever harsh punishment they get.

I got this exact ticket once upon a time, so did 12 other drivers I was driving with. We were also going to get food. We had a couple complaints for one reason or another and we were blanketed with the same $196 fine and 6 points. When my day in court came I didnt even get a chance to say "not guilty" The judge had me identify myself and the cop said "Id like to enter a plea of no evidence" I walked, so did everyone else. Funny enough air 1 did follow us that night, and 1 week later at a REVSCENE meet I spoke to the pilot who admited we didnt break the law beyond "minor speeding"

Again, yes they deserve punishment. But this is Canada they have to be proven guilty before that happens. Im on their side until they are proven guilty. AND if they did what they are being accused of, I hope they get what they deserve.
+1

Agreed with everything u said. You cant just assume that because a couple people called and complained, that they were actually endangering everyone else's lives.

[1exotic]

I personally don't give a shit and find it slightly amusing of you people argueing.

lol +1

who gives a fuck.

[XplicitLuder]

I personally don't give a shit and find it slightly amusing of you people argueing.

+ 2 . i have better things to do then to argue how fast they were speeding and what they deserve. Let the cops deal with it. Don't you guys have lives ? :fullofwin:

[mb_]

If we were N drivers and we were given super cars with a dozen of our friends... im pretty sure we would do the exact same thing.

i would too.. just not on public roads

[falcon]

At the end of the day I could really care less about whether they were racing or not. What irks me about the whole situation is the fact that the RCMP impounded vehicles with nothing more than a phone call from an irate citizen who hasen`t been laid in a while. On top of that, the media bias spin on it including fellow road racers who were interviewed at Mission on the weekend where I was road racing. Crying foul and basically calling the kids all idiots etc. etc. They are making their judgment based on the media. None of them were there, and neither was anyone on here. I was asked for an interview right after I cam off track and I declined. Mainly because I know they would have turned what I had to say into a `pro street racing` clip from a legit road (track) racer.

I don`t know about you guys but to me, the Lower Mainland and Canada in general is starting to turn into a Police State.

[Walperstyle]

It has to turn into a police state, the people there are idiots. If you own a fast car, you shouldn't be driving it anywhere in the lower mainland, or sea to sky. Too many variables that can go wrong.

I got the hell outa there when I could. Now I drive in the Rocky Mountains, and the only person I can hurt is myself, and maybe a moose/bear/deer. Also, where I live there is no aircare so I can build any type of car I want unchecked.

[StylinRed]

you guys are forgetting that some of them are admitting to the speeds reached most notably the R8 guy

[.Renn.Sport]

you guys are forgetting that some of them are admitting to the speeds reached most notably the R8 guy

he only said the cars could "easily reach" 200km/h, not saying he did
:stfu:

[falcon]

It has to turn into a police state, the people there are idiots. If you own a fast car, you shouldn't be driving it anywhere in the lower mainland, or sea to sky. Too many variables that can go wrong.

I got the hell outa there when I could. Now I drive in the Rocky Mountains, and the only person I can hurt is myself, and maybe a moose/bear/deer. Also, where I live there is no aircare so I can build any type of car I want unchecked.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

[falcon]

you guys are forgetting that some of them are admitting to the speeds reached most notably the R8 guy

It will be easily thrown out in court if he is the only witness. Is he trained in assesing speeds without a radar like the police? No. Same with joe public.

I constantly have people in my neighborhood wave frantically at me and motioning to slow down when I am driving home.... while doing 40k/hr. I NEVER speed anywhere near my house. The car is just loud and looks fast so they assume I'm speeding. It happens all the time.

[Jgresch]

^ wow same here. I drive 35-40 when I get close to my neighbourhood. Because there's lots of kids around and the road is pretty bad. I still always get the signal to slow down, people yelling and stuff. Drives me crazy.
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[nack]

he only said the cars could "easily reach" 200km/h, not saying he did
:stfu:

your telling him to stfu?

:lol

[zulutango]

"What irks me about the whole situation is the fact that the RCMP impounded vehicles with nothing more than a phone call from an irate citizen who hasen`t been laid in a while.":

Nice to know that you have that inside info. I guess that is why you have ignored earlier posts that explained what actually happened, what is involved in this kind of investigation and even the admission from some of the "non-racer/participants" who admitted what they had done.

You might also want to look this up in a law dictionary..

accessory to an offence as an abettor

That's where you take part in a crime, are actually there at the scene and help others break the law.

[MDMA]

With all the traffic and talk this topic has generated since this incident occurred, I guess its safe to say Matt Zhang is now up there in the books with RS Greats such as Hyde, Bradford Chow, Jeffield etc. .. He dun goofed. :fullofwin:
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[GabAlmighty]

"What irks me about the whole situation is the fact that the RCMP impounded vehicles with nothing more than a phone call from an irate citizen who hasen`t been laid in a while.":

Nice to know that you have that inside info. I guess that is why you have ignored earlier posts that explained what actually happened, what is involved in this kind of investigation and even the admission from some of the "non-racer/participants" who admitted what they had done.

You might also want to look this up in a law dictionary..

accessory to an offence as an abettor

That's where you take part in a crime, are actually there at the scene and help others break the law.

So... You're saying the irate citizen HAS been getting laid? Interesting...

[bing]

+ 2 . i have better things to do then to argue how fast they were speeding and what they deserve. Let the cops deal with it. Don't you guys have lives ? :fullofwin:

it's also not likely that you are doing anything more worthwhile. I, like probably many others enjoy hearing the issues being debated with sound arguments.

[Marco911]

+ 2 . i have better things to do then to argue how fast they were speeding and what they deserve. Let the cops deal with it. Don't you guys have lives ? :fullofwin:

Idiot. This is an internet forum where people discuss things. If you have nothing useful to add, STFU.

[falcon]

"What irks me about the whole situation is the fact that the RCMP impounded vehicles with nothing more than a phone call from an irate citizen who hasen`t been laid in a while.":

Nice to know that you have that inside info. I guess that is why you have ignored earlier posts that explained what actually happened, what is involved in this kind of investigation and even the admission from some of the "non-racer/participants" who admitted what they had done.

You might also want to look this up in a law dictionary..

accessory to an offence as an abettor

That's where you take part in a crime, are actually there at the scene and help others break the law.


Whether what I said was the case or not, that's how it is being portrayed in the media. When someone gets pulled over on 152nd in White Rock near 16th ave (note: nowhere NEAR the 99) for an alleged crime that took place on a freeway far away it makes me wonder. :fullofwin:

And considering I've been in a similar situation before (which I posted about a few pages back) it also makes me think twice. I've been accused of street racing before thanks to a "good citizen" who was having a bad day. I know how it works. And I may add I don't street race, or ever have. I take it to the track like everyone should...

[XplicitLuder]

it's also not likely that you are doing anything more worthwhile. I, like probably many others enjoy hearing the issues being debated with sound arguments.

apart from going to the gym and going through other topics in this forum, eh i guess not :fullofwin:



Idiot. This is an internet forum where people discuss things. If you have nothing useful to add, STFU.

that's like me saying this is an internet forum where you post your thoughts/whatever is on your mind, so thus allowing me to say what i have said. you dun goof

[68style]

Not saying they weren't speeding, but it's funny how people react to certain cars. As soon as I put new wheels on my MR2 Turbo, everyone wants to race all the time... and actually just last week I downshifted to 2nd and slowed to 30km/h (I know because I looked down) to turn around a corner, and as I turned, there was a RCMP cruiser right around the corner and the female cop had her window down, and as I turned around the corner she screamed out her window at me "Slow the fuck down!"

hahahaha for real? 30km/h right turn? Just because my engine was revving a little bit because I had downshifted to a lower gear and my exhaust is aftermarket (not that loud)... even the cops do it... just make assumptions based on prejudice.

[Renovatio]

I agree with Rogue. Licenses should be also based on displacement.

L & N Drivers ---- allowed to drive <2.0 Litres 4 Cylinders
<5 Years driving ---- up to 3.0 Litre 4 Cylinder
6-8 Years driving ---- limited up to 6 cyclinder
8+ Years driving ---- unlimited

Or some something like that...

I would love to see an Audi R8 with a VW 1.8T or a Ferrari with a Fiat 500 engine.

And traffic fines should be based on price of your car... If your driving around in a $100,000+ Car then you should pay more for your fine. eg. $15,000
If you are caught speeding in your Yugo(if you could do the speed limit) your fine would be considerable less.

The fine is to deter you from doing it again. Correct?

Sorry for the RANT... Also the L and N should be larger.

Hell I have 2 Driving teenagers(1 L and 1N) They are allowed to drive sub 2.0l cars in the garage. No way are they driving the V8s. I guess I care about them and the drivers around them. That being said maybe the 13 drivers parents don't give a shit on what their children are doing.

T.



So if I buy a Corolla and do 120km, I wouldn't get epicly fined.... but if I work hard and save up to afford an M3... I'll also be fined 5x as much for doing 120km.... whereas some idiot kid doing 200 on a Corolla would still be charged less than me... how does that make sense :speechless:

[Renovatio]

^This section refers to MattZhang calling Global, stating that these cars can easily exceed 200 km/h. "Although some of the drivers were racing, not all drivers were participating, and some were only following behind".

right...following behind at 200km/h?
:seriously:



technically what he said would make sense if he was following behind at 60km/h holding up the traffic so his friends could do 200 :fullofwin:

doesn't make him any less guilty nevertheless :speechless:

[illicitstylz]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/scary_popcorn.gif

[unit]

So if I buy a Corolla and do 120km, I wouldn't get epicly fined.... but if I work hard and save up to afford an M3... I'll also be fined 5x as much for doing 120km.... whereas some idiot kid doing 200 on a Corolla would still be charged less than me... how does that make sense :speechless:

lets face it, these guys werent doing 120.
sure theres no proof but lets face it, you get 13 supercars together and everyone follows the flow of traffic? :fuckthatshit:

[Vale46Rossi]

lets face it, these guys werent doing 120.
sure theres no proof but lets face it, you get 13 supercars together and everyone follows the flow of traffic? :fuckthatshit:

What's to face?

That's an assumption, you can't run a country if the police based everything on assumption.

If you think we should then you're fucking retarded.

[Marco911]

that's like me saying this is an internet forum where you post your thoughts/whatever is on your mind, so thus allowing me to say what i have said. you dun goof

Do you understand what a thread topic is? No, it does not allow you to post random thoughts from your dumbass turd of a mind.

[donjalapeno]

Do you understand what a thread topic is? No, it does not allow you to post random thoughts from your dumbass turd of a mind.

im just tossing this out there.....xplicitluder is 8 feet tall and like 400 pounds....not exactly a turd.


:D :D :D

[Marco911]

"What irks me about the whole situation is the fact that the RCMP impounded vehicles with nothing more than a phone call from an irate citizen who hasen`t been laid in a while.":

Nice to know that you have that inside info. I guess that is why you have ignored earlier posts that explained what actually happened, what is involved in this kind of investigation and even the admission from some of the "non-racer/participants" who admitted what they had done.

You might also want to look this up in a law dictionary..

accessory to an offence as an abettor

That's where you take part in a crime, are actually there at the scene and help others break the law.

So please explain why EVERY single driver got charged with the same offence and had their vehicle impounded? Was there sufficient evidence against each and every one of them? Or was it a matter of the cops' misuse of power and being able to assess penalties without the ability to dispute the charge. This is why I opposed the impound laws from day 1.

[Marco911]

im just tossing this out there.....xplicitluder is 8 feet tall and like 400 pounds....not exactly a turd.


:D :D :D

Nobody gives a shit how big he is. If he can't construct a worthwhile argument that adds to the discussion, he is worthless.

[Marco911]

You're comparing stupid slow drivers who don't move over to a pair of conspiring drivers who specifically hold up traffic for a single purpose (to let their buddies have a race)?

Yes. Assuming they were driving/blocking traffic at the speed limit. This describes an average traffic day in Vancouver.

[Meowjin]

So if I buy a Corolla and do 120km, I wouldn't get epicly fined.... but if I work hard and save up to afford an M3... I'll also be fined 5x as much for doing 120km.... whereas some idiot kid doing 200 on a Corolla would still be charged less than me... how does that make sense :speechless:

if your making enough to go buy cars that cost more than 40k, I'm pretty sure you don't have to do much saving.

Anyways stupid thread is still stupid

[Death2Theft]

Just makes you (on his sack) and him a bigger than average combined turd.

Time for people to start buying those gopro dash cams if they plan to do group cruises imo.
im just tossing this out there.....xplicitluder is 8 feet tall and like 400 pounds....not exactly a turd.


:D :D :D

[unit]

What's to face?

That's an assumption, you can't run a country if the police based everything on assumption.

If you think we should then you're fucking retarded.

did i really say that i think we should charge these guys based on an assumption?

if you think i did then you're fucking retarded.

[falcon]

technically what he said would make sense if he was following behind at 60km/h holding up the traffic so his friends could do 200 :fullofwin:

doesn't make him any less guilty nevertheless :speechless:

OR... a bunch of them were being idiots and going 200kph while other guys were not interested in partaking and doing the speed limit. Then all the other people who called in mistook them for doing a rolling block.

C'mon how many times do you see people literally parked in the left lane right next to someone else to their right? ALL THE TIME. Fuck some people are so stupid.

[XplicitLuder]

Do you understand what a thread topic is? No, it does not allow you to post random thoughts from your dumbass turd of a mind.

Nobody gives a shit how big he is. If he can't construct a worthwhile argument that adds to the discussion, he is worthless.

but y u mad?

[1exotic]

Not saying they weren't speeding, but it's funny how people react to certain cars. As soon as I put new wheels on my MR2 Turbo, everyone wants to race all the time... and actually just last week I downshifted to 2nd and slowed to 30km/h (I know because I looked down) to turn around a corner, and as I turned, there was a RCMP cruiser right around the corner and the female cop had her window down, and as I turned around the corner she screamed out her window at me "Slow the fuck down!"

hahahaha for real? 30km/h right turn? Just because my engine was revving a little bit because I had downshifted to a lower gear and my exhaust is aftermarket (not that loud)... even the cops do it... just make assumptions based on prejudice.

I know what you mean. I was just taking off from a red light in downtown before. Have exhaust so its pretty loud at higher RPM, went up to 40/50km and was still in 1st gear. Cop ran out from the sidewalk to the middle of the road to stop me... said "slow down the speed limit is 50, you were doing at least 100". :speechless:

[Phil@rise]

Traffic cameras that are placed in the tunnels and all over the HWY will confirm or discredit all the claims so who cares.

[Rich Sandor]

You might also want to look this up in a law dictionary..

accessory to an offence as an abettor

That's where you take part in a crime, are actually there at the scene and help others break the law.

That is a HUGE stretch for this situation. If you have a convoy of 13 cars and the first 6 decide to speed and race and screw around, and the last 2 cars are tagging along and trying to stay within a reasonable proximity to the speed limit or flow of traffic, that is NOT being an accessory to an offence as an abettor. Not in this universe at least.

A gang of 13 guys walk down the street and 6 of them decide to rob a bank, 2 of them commit murder while doing so, and the other 7 just stand back and watch and don't help in any way - Do you HONESTLY think that they all get the same punishment?

I'm not defending these dickwads speeding on the highway together nor am I unhappy with the job the rcmp did getting all the cars impounded as best they could. I know police have a tough time enforcing the law even when the offense was blatant and obvious with plenty of witnesses..but what I DO hate is when police take a piece of law or legislation and use it in a way it was NOT intended, or when they assume guilt on people that haven't done anything wrong, or at least not to the extent that they are being accused of.

[Rich Sandor]

I know what you mean. I was just taking off from a red light in downtown before. Have exhaust so its pretty loud at higher RPM, went up to 40/50km and was still in 1st gear. Cop ran out from the sidewalk to the middle of the road to stop me... said "slow down the speed limit is 50, you were doing at least 100". :speechless:

I had a HUGE fit with a pedestrian about this once too. I was driving near denman and pacific, picking up a friend near the gazebo in the park there. It's a 50kph zone until you get to pacific where it a 30kph playground zone during daylight. It's a super short block with speedbumps. I would stall the car in 2nd gear. I'm in first gear from the corner where I pick up my buddy to the corner where I have to turn. This lady walking her dog yells at me to slow down. I look at her and I yell (I have to yell so she can hear me) "Don't tell me to slow down when I'm in 1st gear doing 30kph." She kept ragging on me until I lost it and told her to eff off. I couldn't believe she was ragging on me for speeding when I was doing 30kph in 1st gear. Some people are plain RETARDED, and then they complain to police about people who aren't doing anything wrong.

[Soundy]

That is a HUGE stretch for this situation. If you have a convoy of 13 cars and the first 6 decide to speed and race and screw around, and the last 2 cars are tagging along and trying to stay within a reasonable proximity to the speed limit or flow of traffic, that is NOT being an accessory to an offence as an abettor. Not in this universe at least.
It is if they're holding up all the other cars, though.

[Great68]

Traffic cameras that are placed in the tunnels and all over the HWY will confirm or discredit all the claims so who cares.

The tunnel cameras showed NO evidence of speeding.

No evidence to pursue more charges against sport car drivers in speeding convoy (http://www.vancouversun.com/million+sports+cars+impounded+after+Surrey+highway +race/5340015/story.html)

The first few paragraphs:

"METRO VANCOUVER -- Despite catching a convoy of youth in 13 high-powered sports cars on camera, police may not have enough evidence to pursue further charges.

Cameras in and around the George Massey Tunnel captured the cars as they cruised southbound toward Surrey, but the footage provided no evidence of speeding, police said on Friday.

"We already checked the cameras," said RCMP traffic services' Supt. Norm Gaumont, adding that "nothing dangerous happened in the tunnel," probably because of rush hour congestion."

[Soundy]

If the cops don't figure out that they can estimate speed by the time it takes them to get from one camera location to the next, they deserve to lose the collar.

Two cameras 10km apart... a car doing 100km/h will pass the second one 6 minutes after passing the first. If it only takes 3 minutes to cover that distance, then it's pretty obvious he was doing 200 the whole way.

[Great68]

OR... a bunch of them were being idiots and going 200kph while other guys were not interested in partaking and doing the speed limit. Then all the other people who called in mistook them for doing a rolling block.



I've been on cruises with the Mustang guys years back where a few retards would do some stupid things. I don't join in. If this sort of thing (impounded by association) happened to me, I would be going to jail, because I'd fucking loose it.

Do you really think that out of 13 drivers, ALL of them agreed to do this stupid shit on the highways ESPECIALLY knowing the consequences these days if you get caught?

[Great68]

If the cops don't figure out that they can estimate speed by the time it takes them to get from one camera location to the next, they deserve to lose the collar.

Two cameras 10km apart... a car doing 100km/h will pass the second one 6 minutes after passing the first. If it only takes 3 minutes to cover that distance, then it's pretty obvious he was doing 200 the whole way.

I'm pretty sure they would have done this and then we'd be seeing the headline "Traffic cameras confirm group was speeding"

and not

"NO EVIDENCE TO PURSUE MORE CHARGES"

[Phil@rise]

I'm pretty sure they would have done this and then we'd be seeing the headline "Traffic cameras confirm group was speeding"

and not

"NO EVIDENCE TO PURSUE MORE CHARGES"

My point exactly all this arguing back and forth and speculation is moot.

[bing]

"What irks me about the whole situation is the fact that the RCMP impounded vehicles with nothing more than a phone call from an irate citizen who hasen`t been laid in a while.":

Nice to know that you have that inside info. I guess that is why you have ignored earlier posts that explained what actually happened, what is involved in this kind of investigation and even the admission from some of the "non-racer/participants" who admitted what they had done.

You might also want to look this up in a law dictionary..

accessory to an offence as an abettor

That's where you take part in a crime, are actually there at the scene and help others break the law.

That may be the police or Crown's version of events but it has not been proven. Thankfully, since our legal system is based on the adversarial system of justice, the process, burden of proof, and criminal defense lawyers protect against overzealous police.

[Death2Theft]

If there arn't speed bumps I just speed up when people tell me to slow down. 7K rolling clutch drop exhaust dumping straight by pass.
I had a HUGE fit with a pedestrian about this once too. I was driving near denman and pacific, picking up a friend near the gazebo in the park there. It's a 50kph zone until you get to pacific where it a 30kph playground zone during daylight. It's a super short block with speedbumps. I would stall the car in 2nd gear. I'm in first gear from the corner where I pick up my buddy to the corner where I have to turn. This lady walking her dog yells at me to slow down. I look at her and I yell (I have to yell so she can hear me) "Don't tell me to slow down when I'm in 1st gear doing 30kph." She kept ragging on me until I lost it and told her to eff off. I couldn't believe she was ragging on me for speeding when I was doing 30kph in 1st gear. Some people are plain RETARDED, and then they complain to police about people who aren't doing anything wrong.

[Soundy]

My point exactly all this arguing back and forth and speculation is moot.

Bingo. Everything in this thread is pure speculation based on what we read in the media. THEY certainly don't have all the facts the police have... and the media are probably not even giving us all the facts they DO have.

[Marco911]

Bingo. Everything in this thread is pure speculation based on what we read in the media. THEY certainly don't have all the facts the police have... and the media are probably not even giving us all the facts they DO have.

That's the point: The police charged every single driver in the group with the same penalties before having all the facts. They should only have targeted the drivers they had legitimate evidence or complaints about.

None of the cops in this forum are willing to admit that this is the case.

[MindBomber]

That's the point: The police charged every single driver in the group with the same penalties before having all the facts. They should only have targeted the drivers they had legitimate evidence or complaints about.

None of the cops in this forum are willing to admit that this is the case.

Keep in mind, the details of the cases haven't be revealed and therefore we don't know for a fact that the impoundments were based on civilian witness testimony (correct me if I'm wrong).

It seems entirely possible that when the cars were intercepted by police, officers witnessed reckless driving and based the impoundments on the actions they had personally viewed. If the civilian witness reports are correct and they were driving recklessly, it stands to reason that they would continue to drive that way until reaching their destination which they had not when pulled over.

In actuality I support your position Marco, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

[CP.AR]

THE KIDS ARE GETTING THEIR CARS BACK TODAY... WOOOHOOOOOO :eek5r:

[originalhypa]

It is if they're holding up all the other cars, though.

And what makes this different than the MANY times we're driving on the highways in the lower mainland only to find some goof in a gold Corolla going 80 in the left lane, with km's of open highway ahead of him?

That may be the police or Crown's version of events but it has not been proven. Thankfully, since our legal system is based on the adversarial system of justice, the process, burden of proof, and criminal defense lawyers protect against overzealous police.

Thank you.

[Phil@rise]

That's the point: The police charged every single driver in the group with the same penalties before having all the facts. They should only have targeted the drivers they had legitimate evidence or complaints about.

None of the cops in this forum are willing to admit that this is the case.

Thats how charges work, bud they suspect you, they charge you, they gather the needed evidence. If there is none the charges are dropped if there is enough to support said charges then they proceed with them.

[DHP 1]

^

therefore those that are accused, sure wastes a hell of a time and inconvenience. Ticket, car getting impounded, grabbing a cab home, last but not least the harrasment and embarrassment they have to go thru :okay:

[GLOW]

THE KIDS ARE GETTING THEIR CARS BACK TODAY... WOOOHOOOOOO :eek5r:

and as they leave the impound lot they'll give everyone a little bit of this:

http://nsxprime.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=79875&d=1315072614

:troll:

[Greenstoner]

^ haha, i can so see them doing that

[wasabisashimi]

THE KIDS ARE GETTING THEIR CARS BACK TODAY... WOOOHOOOOOO :eek5r:

why do we keep referring them as kids?, they look like over 20yrs of age. Not a kid anymore. They are rich adults

[GLOW]

why do we keep referring them as kids?, they look like over 20yrs of age. Not a kid anymore. They are rich adults

legally they may be adults...but i think ppl here consider them/their actions that of kids???

just sayin'

[sonick]

why do we keep referring them as kids?, they look like over 20yrs of age. Not a kid anymore. They are rich adults

They are not rich adults. They are adults with rich parents.

[LSF22]

Rich or not, judging from recent events, most of them still have the common sense and mentality of a kid.

[DasHooch]

They get them back today? Hmm, I just saw a red lambo on a flatbed courtesy of the speed trap downhill on Boundary at Marine. Tough times for exotics.

Oh, and watch out for that speed trap.

[akira112]

Saw that lambo get pulled in on the way home from work.
Exact same thing happened to a white R8 2 weeks ago.

[LP700-4]

Pretty bad time to be owning an exotic eh?
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[Soundy]

That's the point: The police charged every single driver in the group with the same penalties before having all the facts.

And you're privy to this inside information on what evidence they did or didn't have at the time, is that it?

[achiam]

damn, although i cant see the chick's face.. but her hair style and her hand gesture reminds me of Japsnese porn cover

makes me wannaa bukake all over her face along with 13 of my buddies

You wanna unload on her and 13 of your buddies?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/2/4/129097774577388561.jpg

[Marco911]

And you're privy to this inside information on what evidence they did or didn't have at the time, is that it?

Call it being logical. A couple of people maybe, but there is certainly no way there is enough evidence that all 13 people were driving in a manner that justifies a charge of "careless driving," which is a serious charge involving 6 penalty points. Careless driving would be even more difficult to prove considering there was no accident. I'm almost certain that the charges would be dropped if they were disputed.

[parm104]

Thats how charges work, bud they suspect you, they charge you, they gather the needed evidence. If there is none the charges are dropped if there is enough to support said charges then they proceed with them.

Well Phil, that's actually NOT how the law works...You don't charge someone with something AND then work to gather the evidence hoping that it sticks. I hope you realize how much the Canadian Legal system costs us and the government every year and the fact that Crown would even think about charging people without having what they believed to be sufficient evidence to make these charges stick would be hurting not only them but their entire system of law.

In our legal world, we use a term called "Probable Cause" and its is necessary for an arrest or charges to be laid. Unless of course the Peace Officer personally witnesses the crime being committed, in which case, that would serve as his/her probable cause, they would not be able to press charges otherwise. Probable cause must come from specific facts and circumstances, rather than simply from the officer's hunch or suspicion.

The ONLY time probable cause is not needed is when "reasonable suspicion" comes into play. That wouldn't be related to arrest or criminal charges though, but it may lead to that. Reasonable suspicion can be used when an officer reasonably believes a crime is being committed and an investigation is needed...Hence, a road stop stopping a driver of a vehicle and their occupants. From there, evidence would be gathered and a charge or arrest would be made...

Then again, this is all related to criminal/indictable offenses which isn't even the case here, so it's all irrelevant. It's between the Superintendent of ICBC and their client, the driver(s). ICBC wouldn't file any charges unless they had reasonable evidence.

Someone arrested or charged without probable cause may seek redress through a civil lawsuit for false arrest or malicious prosecution.

P.S. - This isn't something that is up for argument. It's the Law and it is what it is. Any other discussion for this or against this would simply be a matter of opinion which is irrelevant when it comes to the Law. There isn't any room for "interpretation" here and certainly no room for speculation.

[Phil@rise]

Well Phil, that's actually NOT how the law works...You don't charge someone with something AND then work to gather the evidence hoping that it sticks. I hope you realize how much the Canadian Legal system costs us and the government every year and the fact that Crown would even think about charging people without having what they believed to be sufficient evidence to make these charges stick would be hurting not only them but their entire system of law.

In our legal world, we use a term called "Probable Cause" and its is necessary for an arrest or charges to be laid. Unless of course the Peace Officer personally witnesses the crime being committed, in which case, that would serve as his/her probable cause, they would not be able to press charges otherwise. Probable cause must come from specific facts and circumstances, rather than simply from the officer's hunch or suspicion.

The ONLY time probable cause is not needed is when "reasonable suspicion" comes into play. That wouldn't be related to arrest or criminal charges though, but it may lead to that. Reasonable suspicion can be used when an officer reasonably believes a crime is being committed and an investigation is needed...Hence, a road stop stopping a driver of a vehicle and their occupants. From there, evidence would be gathered and a charge or arrest would be made...

Then again, this is all related to criminal/indictable offenses which isn't even the case here, so it's all irrelevant. It's between the Superintendent of ICBC and their client, the driver(s). ICBC wouldn't file any charges unless they had reasonable evidence.

Someone arrested or charged without probable cause may seek redress through a civil lawsuit for false arrest or malicious prosecution.

P.S. - This isn't something that is up for argument. It's the Law and it is what it is. Any other discussion for this or against this would simply be a matter of opinion which is irrelevant when it comes to the Law. There isn't any room for "interpretation" here and certainly no room for speculation.

Actually it is how our legal system is implemented. Your right its not supposed to be but it is. From drug busts to road rage and street racing.
So its no surprise thats how it was carried out here but my point was if there is no evidence the charges will be dropped and the cars will be returned.

[wing_woo]

Well, I saw a Ferrari on Boundary Road before Marine Way in the spot where cops set up speed traps. They cops had a flatbed there so I'm wondering if he was getting impounded for excessive speed down the hill.

[Phat_R]

Not so fast......

Convoy of racing luxury cars could be forfeited, say police

The 13 cars, which included Maseratis, Lamborghinis and Mercedes, were impounded by police


Convoy of racing luxury cars could be forfeited, say police (http://www.vancouversun.com/Convoy+racing+luxury+cars+could+forfeited+police/5371873/story.html)

[InvisibleSoul]

Not so fast......

Convoy of racing luxury cars could be forfeited, say police

The 13 cars, which included Maseratis, Lamborghinis and Mercedes, were impounded by police


Convoy of racing luxury cars could be forfeited, say police (http://www.vancouversun.com/Convoy+racing+luxury+cars+could+forfeited+police/5371873/story.html)
That story is over a week old.

[Phat_R]

That story is over a week old.

no it's not -- it's on the front page of the vancouver sun website and was posted 2 hours ago

the original story was two weeks ago

but IF YOU READ the article it says the case is now going to the BC Civil Forfeiture Office for review -- as the drivers basically got off with a slap on the wrist and the public wants blood

[1exotic]

the police should just fucking leave it alone.
its kinda getting old now.

the public wants blood because they are MAD JELLY.

a friend was CLOCKED by radar doing 255km/h on highway 1 in his Alphine B7. Lost his license for for a short while and got impounded. Besides that he was back on the road not long after.

Cops are going too far with this without an evidence. Pigs.
If the drivers went to jail for 25 years I could careless, just the fact of being jelly on people.